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  • #61
  • Mar 3, 2018 9:19am Mar 3, 2018 9:19am
Quoting Artcool
{quote} I doubt it works for you in real trading other than being a simplistic mantra learnt by newbies from other losers. The reality is that even Forex hedge funds with the best traders struggle to make money using ANY kind of strategy whether a carrying strategy (trend following), or a momentum strategy, or a value driven (fundamental). They have lost money in six of the last eight years. {quote} More details in this Bloomberg article : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...llar-perplexes...

Do you really think trading like a hedge fund is a worthwhile model for retail traders?

Anyway, if you've made up your mind that trend-following can't work, that's an end to the discussion.
  • #62
  • Mar 3, 2018 9:19am Mar 3, 2018 9:19am
2017 was a much better year tbh, 60% growth/return for me/and the firm roughly the same.

Quoting Artcool
{quote} I doubt it works for you in real trading other than being a simplistic mantra learnt by newbies from other losers. The reality is that even Forex hedge funds with the best traders struggle to make money using ANY kind of strategy whether a carrying strategy (trend following), or a momentum strategy, or a value driven (fundamental). They have lost money in six of the last eight years. {quote} More details in this Bloomberg article : https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...llar-perplexes...
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
  • #63
  • Mar 3, 2018 9:24am Mar 3, 2018 9:24am
Quoting tomorton
{quote} Do you really think trading like a hedge fund is a worthwhile model for retail traders?

Maybe you can do better. I don't know. I just bring up some facts. I know you don't like those facts because it doesn't fit with your believes and hopes. Good luck anyway.
Don't give up on your dreams. Keep sleeping.
  • #64
  • Mar 3, 2018 9:26am Mar 3, 2018 9:26am
To be fair, Spreadbetter does has some valid points. In addition to that, the closed mindedness of retail traders from proper trading education and/or suggestions and criticism of others prevents any form of salvage for the retail trading community. It is unfortunate that a vast majority of retail traders will lose, and for the same reasons which has been mentioned.
I look for value wherever it can be found
  • #65
  • Mar 3, 2018 9:31am Mar 3, 2018 9:31am
yeah lack of capital... but would you put 50k into a trading account..hell no

I would feel like I'm gambling anyway
  • #66
  • Mar 3, 2018 9:48am Mar 3, 2018 9:48am
Quoting Spreadbetter
I'll repeat myself; the main reason you all lose is because you approach this side of the industry completely undercapitalised, which then creates the majority of the self inflicted issues you suffer from. Such as: greed, fear, impatience, over trading, excessive risk, not being able to access the best FX markets available. Until you address your lack of funds you'll never experience success. 80% of retail traders have accounts of less than $2k, 90%+ of retail bets are for less than one lot, the vast majority of you are hopeless gamblers and dreamers....

Yes, a major reason for retail traders failing is under-capitalisation. This drives them to ignore risk management like the 2% rule and others. I'm pretty sure most retail traders aren't really serious about whether this makes money for them or not.
  • #67
  • Mar 3, 2018 9:53am Mar 3, 2018 9:53am
Quoting tomorton
{quote} Yes, a major reason for retail traders failing is under-capitalisation. This drives them to ignore risk management like the 2% rule and others. I'm pretty sure most retail traders aren't really serious about whether this makes money for them or not.
without knowledge any amount of money will be lost sooner or later. 2% or 0.5 % MM rules will just delay bankruptcy.
NO MATTER THE SITUATION,NEVER LET YOUR EMOTIONS OVERPOWER YOUR INTELLIGENCE
  • #68
  • Mar 3, 2018 10:05am Mar 3, 2018 10:05am
Hi all
There are so many reasons not to be able to get profit continuously or as you've mentioned " What make you lose in the Forex Market?"
1- Using High Lot comparing with the Balance
2- Brokers ( Be sure if you get profit constantly your broker manipulate but not all the time just they need a good time to stop out your position) after that you will be up-set and impatient you do as they wish. This is for experienced and experts.
3- Bad time and pairs for trading
4- Using just indicators, Experts or Robots, better to say, applying some software
SO many other reasons that my friends have mentioned clearly.
4 years ago, i wrote a book about Forex Market " How to get lose?" It's very clear if you know how to get lose never do those things at the time of trading though i suggest you take a time and ask yourself " how can I lose in the Forex market?" exactly the same as this issue " How do you have car accident?"
If you find out what kind of driving style or behaviour cause you have an accident you never do that at the time of driving.
The first thing after many years of trading and experience about this market i do , I have to change my broker every 3 weeks and the most important things i am fully follow of that is just using %20 of my balance for my position and have 3 strategies for different form of market and stick to them, whenever i do not undertake my procedure i get lose
  • #69
  • Mar 3, 2018 10:12am Mar 3, 2018 10:12am
Quoting tomorton
{quote} I don't predict anything, I just follow the trend.
I think following the trend is the same as predict the next move, isn't it? cause predicting the next move we enter the trade...
profitable trading does not mean trading everyday
  • #70
  • Mar 3, 2018 10:30am Mar 3, 2018 10:30am
Quoting richadi36
{quote} I think following the trend is the same as predict the next move, isn't it? cause predicting the next move we enter the trade...

I don't try to predict a trend is starting from an opposite trend or a range/consolidation or even a reversal. I wait for price to form a trend. From that time onwards, the most probable thing a price in the trend will do is continue the trend. That's good enough for me.
  • #71
  • Mar 3, 2018 10:33am Mar 3, 2018 10:33am
Quoting richadi36
{quote} I think following the trend is the same as predict the next move, isn't it? cause predicting the next move we enter the trade...

most ppl here confuse the word "predicting" with "anticipating".. even the most experienced ones.

if you have a set of rules.. you predict.
  • #72
  • Mar 3, 2018 10:54am Mar 3, 2018 10:54am
Quoting HeyYou
{quote} most ppl here confuse the word "predicting" with "anticipating".. even the most experienced ones. if you have a set of rules.. you predict.

Yes and no. The situation for some retail traders is actually even worse than this. Some traders will actually go short at every new high on an uptrend: no TA or FA signs of a reversal (except that price is higher than it has been and so all price-derived metrics like PE are also higher than they've been) but they just figure it has to fall back sooner or later.

So prediction and anticipation are the same if you have evidence. If you don't have evidence its just prediction.
  • #73
  • Mar 3, 2018 11:06am Mar 3, 2018 11:06am
Lol tom it's the last time I ignore you, I swear.
  • #74
  • Mar 3, 2018 11:39am Mar 3, 2018 11:39am
Got a link to the book you supposedly wrote? Presumably, based on your atrocious use of English, it wasn't published in English.

Quoting foxtraderfx
Hi all There are so many reasons not to be able to get profit continuously or as you've mentioned " What make you lose in the Forex Market?" 1- Using High Lot comparing with the Balance 2- Brokers ( Be sure if you get profit constantly your broker manipulate but not all the time just they need a good time to stop out your position) after that you will be up-set and impatient you do as they wish. This is for experienced and experts. 3- Bad time and pairs for trading 4- Using just indicators, Experts or Robots, better to say, applying some software...
"The meek shall inherit the earth.." Yeah right, good luck with that shit..
  • #75
  • Mar 3, 2018 12:09pm Mar 3, 2018 12:09pm
For experience trader only.... Jumble lot size LoL...
Trade fearless not careless...
Syed Mohsin Ali Profit This Month: -634
  • #76
  • Mar 3, 2018 1:08pm Mar 3, 2018 1:08pm
Quoting richadi36
Hi trader fellows, I want to discuss with you about what makes us to lose in the market - trading strategy (low/high timeframe, setup or trigger), wrong mindset as a trader etc... Analyse your charts when you have lost the trade and discuss it with others why it happened. Is it your strategy or other factors makes us to lose that trade... I know that it doesn't exist 100% profitable trading method, BUT what makes us not to be profitable in the long run? why only 5-10% of the traders make it...?
I am not here for marking the market’s fault! I am here for learn more and update my trading skill.
  • #77
  • Mar 3, 2018 1:31pm Mar 3, 2018 1:31pm
Equilibrium.
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #78
  • Mar 3, 2018 2:22pm Mar 3, 2018 2:22pm
Over leveraging and thinking I will make 1 million dollars in a year....If your starting Forex never use leverage unless your consistently making money for 6 months. Then add some leverage SLOW. that would be my advice to anyone starting out. Discipline and patience are key factors in making money long term in this game. imho
  • #79
  • Mar 3, 2018 10:51pm Mar 3, 2018 10:51pm
Quoting LuizGuilher
{quote} I am not here for marking the market’s fault! I am here for learn more and update my trading skill.
IMO you can learn more and update your trading skill by reading and replying the posts made by traders who shares their experiences...
profitable trading does not mean trading everyday
  • #80
  • Mar 4, 2018 2:38am Mar 4, 2018 2:38am
Quoting richadi36
{quote} IMO you can learn more and update your trading skill by reading and replying the posts made by traders who shares their experiences...
Trade fearless not careless...
Syed Mohsin Ali Profit This Month: -634
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