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  • #4,321
  • Feb 16, 2018 8:48am Feb 16, 2018 8:48am
very hard, indeed, or maybe I am not glued to the forum ... (an SLA for the reply answers should have avoided such remarks).

As for your answer, agree with the ban: yes an (maybe) no.

Yes: because I get tired with you asking me the same things and what I already provided in my view should be enough.
You ask to see full details of my trades and I show you only some stats ... maybe my edge stands on the way I manage the trades.
Start asking in a market place with what kind of water the veggies grew ... are you getting the answer?

No: ... in a common sense of a selling process some info should be provided and if none and direct ban, ... not really good.
For all the cases there is an admin to decide upon a scenario.
  • #4,322
  • Feb 16, 2018 8:50am Feb 16, 2018 8:50am
Quoting Neptun
{quote} Yes, therefore apply regulations for commercial status instead of letting every 'I sell something' to be commercial. (It is even worse than that, it's an automatically status update without notice as soon as the pigeon is released.) After, the choice of showing a full transparency (up to what level?) or not is on the seller's side. But then the section is will like a lost city, ... to tourism = no money = hard existence for the locals (adapt it to a forum perspective).

Quoting Husky77
{quote} is that fair that a commercial guy to ban me if i am insistent in requesting proof's of quality,performance?
and it was only a simple answer,yes or no.i guess sometime is hard to answer in simple way.
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  • #4,323
  • Feb 16, 2018 8:55am Feb 16, 2018 8:55am
Quoting Neptun
vYes: because I get tired with you asking me the same things and what I already provided in my view should be enough.
''in my view should be enough''
what about customer or possible customer view?should that be the first concern or your view is the first rule?
see? there are not written rules when it comes to marketing.i was working in sales ,and not on internet.first rule in sales is :
OUR CLIENT OUR MASTER!
all this because when you sell your ''view'' doesnt matter.customer view matter if you want to be successful.you dont throw out from your store a guy who ask details about your bread just because in your ''view'' the details from the label are enough.
hope you understand my point of view.
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  • #4,324
  • Feb 16, 2018 9:03am Feb 16, 2018 9:03am
Quoting Husky77
{quote} ''in my view should be enough'' what about customer or possible customer view?should that be the first concern or your view is the first rule? see? there are not written rules when it comes to marketing.i was working in sales ,and not on internet.first rule in sales is : OUR CLIENT OUR MASTER!

rules, rules, what about?: THE CLIENT DECIDE!

aaa?
making your client a master might increase the sales but it might not worth the price of doing it.
  • #4,325
  • Feb 16, 2018 9:07am Feb 16, 2018 9:07am
Quoting Neptun
{quote} rules, rules, what about?: THE CLIENT DECIDE! aaa? making your client a master might increase the sales but if might not worth the price of doing it.
exactly what i said the client must decide.i agree.and i am the client the client who ask details about your product but based on a client view.

if not worth the price to be a seller with such simple rules then maybe will worth to quit and became a ... client to change the view
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  • #4,326
  • Feb 16, 2018 9:16am Feb 16, 2018 9:16am
Quoting Husky77
{quote} exactly what i said the client must decide.i agree.and i am the client the client who ask details about your product but based on a client view. if not worth the price to be a seller with such simple rules then maybe will worth to quit and became a ... client to change the view
I understand that you want full transparency in this process ... or maybe one of those that look to have the profit of the EA before buying it, ... I might be wrong but there are plenty.

Why not be a seller? my target over the next 10 years if to have 1 client, my way of giving info.

Can't change the status just like that, even on this forum, once commercial is assigned you can't go back ...
  • #4,327
  • Feb 16, 2018 9:25am Feb 16, 2018 9:25am
Quoting Neptun
{quote} I understand that you want full transparency in this process ... or maybe one of those that look to have the profit of the EA before buying it, ... I might be wrong but there are plenty. Why not be a seller? my target over the next 10 years if to have 1 client, my way of giving info. Can't change the status just like that, even on this forum, once commercial is assigned you can't go back ...
i am manual trader.i know since very long time no EA can make you rich in forex as a retailer,at least not full auto.
and this is why i like to see full transparency when someone want sell any EA.and i know one very important thing that if anyone have one EA that can make you rich i am SURE that guy will NEVER sell it.If i had it for sure i will never make it public.
but under the ideea someone have it and want to sell it...
then why to not be transparent?
by the way you can request to Twee i think to remove commercial stamp if you are at the point where you dont sell anything dont promote anything.
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  • #4,328
  • Feb 16, 2018 10:09am Feb 16, 2018 10:09am
Quoting Husky77
{quote} i am manual trader.i know since very long time no EA can make you rich in forex as a retailer,at least not full auto. and this is why i like to see full transparency when someone want sell any EA.and i know one very important thing that if anyone have one EA that can make you rich i am SURE that guy will NEVER sell it.If i had it for sure i will never make it public. but under the ideea someone have it and want to sell it... then why to not be transparent? by the way you can request to Twee i think to remove commercial stamp...
I don't want to change your opinion about the profitability of an EA. Mine is different.

Why not selling the EA? really?
Why companies are selling software? ... but Windows 3.1 was on the market without a movie player in it, it was bought = invested in it, the company had capital to keep on developing the product.

Now making money, as the subject is.
Supposing that my EA makes 5% / mo. I don't have capital to trade too much. With my current capital, let's say 1k, it will require me too much time to make enough to make a leaving, make a living in the sense I don't need a job, in the sense that will give me the time to focus on improving my EA cause I believe that if I work on it 1 year (?) it will make 20% / mo.

So what do I do?
I start selling it with 100 eur? ... maybe I find enough buyers and I will skip some waiting time. Maybe some buyers will buy the product in a form of a sponsorship ... and if my EA will make 20% / mo ... they will start using it.

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My Product:
Version 1. The EA buy low and sell high.
Version 2. The EA sell high and buy low.
Version 3. The EA magically combines the version 1 and version 2.
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Transparency up to a certain level. yes. enough transparency?



Fine, I have capital, I have a profitable EA making 100's%/ mo.
Why not selling it? Really? Cause so many believers of 'profitable EA don't exists' and want to protect them from a possible mental black-out/heart attack/... showing the contrary?


When I realized where I am and the impact of it, I mailed a couple of times to the support about the status change but no answer ... now I have to think about it as I start to like it, feels home. Thanks for the info!
  • #4,329
  • Feb 16, 2018 11:17am Feb 16, 2018 11:17am
Quoting PayItForward
{quote} Thanks Husky, this has taken a while but I did get my money back BUT not directly from the scammer, from my CC Provider (Bank), and his 3rd party provider has taken the funds back...{image}
the coder answered you.i think you might want to support your statement with a bit more than words

far as i understood you requested one pin support for eax on coral indicator with some personal request improvements.he made it and explained how is working not how you think.you wanted live version and accepted his terms and paid him 50 bucks.in the end you didnt liked the tool not working probably how you wanted and said you was scammed and requested money back.all good.
what i dont understand is all this useless stuff with
'' I was required by my CC Provider to have the supplied software evaluated by a professional'' and
'' The CC Provider (Bank) apparently work with Australian Federal Police in relation to these types of situations where bank clients provide comprehensive, verified information. ''
''According to the Bank, once they determine Fraud, their Fraud section then works with the AFP, Australian Federal Police and Interpol, where applicable, to bring perpetrators to International justice.
Apparently this costs the Australian economy many millions each year and is taken very, very seriously.'' (LOL)
''I believe that they are investigating further in relation to Copyright breaches by this coder and also working with the Firms whose original software he de-compiles
(PZ = Point Zero)are also investigating for International Copyright breaches.''
you belive?
does anyone from PZ said this coder decompiled their code?what code?
can you point us what indicator code was decompiled and sold to you ?
far as i know coral is free all over internet ,so in fact you paid for maybe some improvements and for the pin support coder made for you at personal request deal.you see this coder is commercial and he have a prive for his work right? where's the scam?

so you belive coder Sam will be at preparators international justice discretion because you gave him 50 bucks for something that dont do what you want as your professional evaluator said after his professional evaluation.
dont get me wrong mate but ...
I do agree to sell a decompiled code as your own is BAD and must not be accepted and reported right away.but please point us with a bit more clear details how and with what decompiled code you was scammed.
no matter what i may write or think above in words might be wrong you please do corect and make some light for me.cos otherwise we will fall on the other side where we just make accusations just for the fun of accusation.

when i do reports to Twee about any guy here that he breach the Copyright laws i provide also some links with proofs to be considered,cos Twee is not my brother and he just belive me no matter what crap i may say about someone.he have a spine and no matter on who i blame about something he always ask me to point out some proofs to base his next actions on that proofs as facts.
I am sure when you report sam scammed you and he use decompiled code Twee will request you some proofs in that regard then to revoke membership on the proofs you provided.if is not too personal and too confidential i am really curios to see also,like i said first ''surprised''.
cheers!
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  • #4,330
  • Feb 16, 2018 12:44pm Feb 16, 2018 12:44pm
until payitforward will take time to make some light around
we have a new candidate on the Hall https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=739179\
he offer ... something for rent .of course demo jokes accounts and one silly cent acc as we can see in his lovely profile also in mql5

aaand another one with real impressive statements https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=733699
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  • #4,331
  • Feb 18, 2018 6:01am Feb 18, 2018 6:01am
another suspect one https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=739430
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  • #4,332
  • Feb 18, 2018 3:52pm Feb 18, 2018 3:52pm
Quoting PayItForward
{quote} Thanks Husky, this has taken a while but I did get my money back BUT not directly from the scammer, from my CC Provider (Bank), and his 3rd party provider has taken the funds back from him It has taken a while but is definitely worthwhile to highlight scammers like this. I was required by my CC Provider to have the supplied software evaluated by a professional coder to see if it met the original order (my original email requirements), and the professional deemed it was inferior code ... did not meet the "brief" and...
seems the coder advise you to test your way and not hurry with payment,so you can be sure tool is working as you want,and pay after. fairplay i can say.
i dont know why you seems to me in more hurry to send money (50 bucks) while the coder is not in such hurry to receive.now who's the scammer here and who's playing with Australian economy LOL
i must admit since your first post when you said you was scammed but you didnt show any details that was a bit weird to me.and even now with your last post you seems hide some important details under the shit with australian economy and international justice bla bla bla.but i see clear coder was fair in relation with you.
I dont defend anyone here,but i do support a coder who ask money for his work.you can buy it or you can not buy it and move forward.as i see also this coder dont promote holy grails,just simple tools.he's commercial so he have that right.but you hide important aspects from your relation with this commercial coder and you only show your part to crreate a false image of everything which is not fair for me.
corect me here please with anything in this regard as long you came with the fact that you was scammed but you dont show all details of the ecuation,only what fits to your need.
cheers
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  • #4,333
  • Feb 18, 2018 5:30pm Feb 18, 2018 5:30pm
Quoting Husky77
{quote} seems the coder ...
I found Sam’s response, could not respond there because he has me on “Ignored” list … why you ask ... see below.
All that is happening here on this thread is that Sam is using you as his “pawn” Husky, he is feeding you what he wants you to know, and then you are “protecting” your Buddy, Brother, the person who has probably given you all his software for free to keep you onside. (Another of Sam’s traits direct out of the “Scammers Handbook 101”, make friends (advocates) with high profile people … who else has Sam given free software to? … any other high profile people?)
Has he given you free software Husky?
What you may wish to ask Sam is this … take me off his ignore list (remember putting people on their ignore list is what scammers do, plenty of that evidence here in this thread), he did that just after he said he would refund my money, didn’t refund and I told him I would expose him.
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Then I will happily provide all the details with proof and for all to see on his own thread. Ask him that Husky, but he won’t do it (Sam will make up numerous reasons why he won’t do it … too busy, spent time blah, blah, blah) because he wants to hide behind an “Ignore”, he will, as he has and will continue to do ... make up stuff, put it on his thread but won't allow me to respond there … what do you call people who run and hide from the truth while happily taking money from others?
You said … “i must admit since your first post when you said you was scammed but you didn’t show any details that was a bit weird to me.” … I waited until now to say anything because I have only just received my refund my Bank/CCard … see what happens when you don't know the facts, you make incorrect assumptions.
See the copy of Sam’s email you posted also says “my first priority is that you are happy with it” … he knows I was not, he also knows that what he sent is NOT what I paid for and NOT what I requested, and by the way I paid the 50% because that is what he demanded.
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or did Sam not tell you about that email as well Husky?
He also knows that he said he would refund … had he done that when he said he would then none of this would be happening and he would be happily carrying on his money making scheme.
As I said before … get Sam to take me off his ignore list and we can do all this directly in the right place, on his thread, and you don't need to be involved.
By the way Husky did Sam show/tell you about this email, my refund he said he would do, or did he hide that from you?
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Will you get Sam to take me off “Ignore” Husky, if he says “No” then I rest my case … and you may decide to stop being “used” and wasting your time with him Husky … ?
A very fair and reasonable request I would think, what do you think Husky?
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  • #4,334
  • Feb 18, 2018 6:19pm Feb 18, 2018 6:19pm
Quoting PayItForward
{quote} I found Sam’s response, could not respond there because he has me on “Ignored” list … why you ask ... see below. All that is happening here on this thread is that Sam is using you as his “pawn” Husky, he is feeding you what he wants you to know, and then you are “protecting” your Buddy, Brother, the person who has probably given you all his software for free to keep you onside. (Another of Sam’s traits direct out of the “Scammers Handbook 101”, make friends (advocates) with high profile people … who else has Sam given free software to? …...
i told you i dont defend him,some of his tools i tested and help him to development.now as any other member i have expired version.i also helped with tests in his EA and you can ask him what i said when to think i will use that EA or any other in real in auto,by the way now also that is expired . so is NO NO for my real acc any EA from here.not cos is bad not cos is good,but because i have my own way and i dont need any.i can help in tests any coder who may ask and if i have time but i dont need his free tols for that.
well... from Brain i need them all and i have them,but there's another story as we work on a very different project sistem that will never be public so things are also at a very different level and also my relation with Brain is more than just an amicable internet talks.we are real friends.
Sam know i am a manual trader and is not the case with me to go in auto on my real money with any tool from here,so the ideea of him using me is not in the right place.nobody can use me here cos i dont give a shit from one point for any tool that is present in this place,the ones that are important for me are not here.
as i requested from you to corect me where i may be wrong,otherwise you will be also in my ignore list.see youre not,so we talk friendly.
i respect coders work because I KNOW is not an easy work,those who ask money for their work i agree.is same way you ask money for your work out of internet.
but i wanted to see a bit more clear the scam thing in this matter,thats why i continued with posts about the subject.
i asked sam in email first thing to not ignore you but is his decision.it seems then you need to deal with him in other private ways.
the thing is that i dont see any 100% scam here as long he is commercial,he make tools that members who want them accept to buy them or not(take this as a general view on the commercial coders who ask a price for their tools).
when is about commercial things are simple,you may think whatever you want but to claim i am his ''pawn'' is a big mistake and i will take that as an ofense.but hey all good i have grosse skin to say so.i was working in marketing and ceo also hunting scams and ponzies for years with a big team of professionals connected with autorities so i am used with any bad words against me even if human nature come above sometime.
you seems to make all this 50 bucks thing as a personal revenge against one guy who made one tool for you,you made some money with that tool but later didnt worked as you wish and you wanted your money back.is ok ,the only problem is we are on internet and things are a bit different.
also the boring story with international justice and australian waste of money for all kind of shit really dont matter here.
so... leaving all behind things must be more simple and must get rid of nonsense,cos seems you get into one 50bucks telenovela here.

Prove coder is a scammer.and he scammed you.
1. show clear proof where coder PROMISED you the tool he will sell will work exact how you requested and then that tool was a big fail.
2. show clear proof the coder didnt had the right to ask money for any of his tool.
3. show clear proof coder promoted you a tool overapreciated (holygrail) and sell it to you and that tool in fact didnt worked as your wish and made you lost money.
this are simple things,you can skip the ''pawn'' thing with me,i'm not born yesterday,i do hate scammers and thieves but i have the right to see between lines as well when is the case.
be sure i will support any coder here for his work when he want to ask a price for that work even if i have questions as any regular member cos that i am just a member.always.
what i wanted to see from you when you say someone is a scammer is not ''i think ... '' and must be ''here is the proof of scam boom sample/screenshot/image''.simple.
if we go by what you may think soon i will be a scammer too and you might think as i am Sam pawn i defend him cos he sent me 25 bucks from the 50 he got from you so...? can you think i am a scammer? of course you can
but heck to make things serious a bit more is needed above of what you or anyone else may ''think''
best regards!
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  • #4,335
  • Feb 18, 2018 10:14pm Feb 18, 2018 10:14pm
@Husky
You focused too much on my comment about you being Sam's “pawn”. Maybe you are not ... forget about it.
Focus on this indisputable fact:
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This is Sam’s admission he did not provide what I ordered - Simple!
And I agree he did not - Simple!
That is a scam, pure and simple and fits the definition perfectly!
So where is the refund Sam said he would send?
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  • #4,336
  • Feb 19, 2018 12:21am Feb 19, 2018 12:21am
Quoting PayItForward
@Husky You focused too much on my comment about you being Sam's “pawn”. Maybe you are not ... forget about it. Focus on this indisputable fact: {image} This is Sam’s admission he did not provide what I ordered - Simple! And I agree he did not - Simple! That is a scam, pure and simple and fits the definition perfectly! So where is the refund Sam said he would send?
''maybe you are not'' .... ''i think...'' mate you dance too much around in this telenovela.
till now i didnt claim anything about you like being this or that,i was trying to focus on see whats with this scam here while seems you put stamp one people just like that and even on me calling me a pawn,then maybe i am maybe am not.WTF with all this bla bla
sorry from my own point of view i see no scam here.
you bought something from one coder,he have his own prices on first page for his services,ok you paid 50 damn bucks for one tool that i am sure it does work how he say but of course he cant get his tool back even if you got your silly 50 bucks back,this is with internet software.once you got it you cant get refunds cos you cant give the software back because you have it as copy.is not like you give back one phone after 1 month because is not working and they give you other new in exchange.
i really dont know why Sam made any deal with you,i dont know him a guy to complicate for a silly 50 bucks.he might learn his lesson from now and at next deal to be more straight and ferm in conditions.
like i said there are coders,you want their service you pay and thats it,same as you pay the mechanic.i start to see what kind of guy you are now if you still jump around about this even after you say you got your money back in fact.dificult people better stay away from any deal with them even for 1 cent.
end of story for me.
best of luck!
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  • #4,337
  • Feb 19, 2018 3:47am Feb 19, 2018 3:47am
Husky … You say “Prove coder is a scammer.and he scammed you… 1, 2, 3.
Any proof anyone needs is below, direct from Sam “I will send you the money”, and Sam did not!
Whether it is for $1, $50, $500 or $5000 … a scam is a scam and the principle is the same and scammers need to be exposed whether they are your “Buddies” or Brothers!
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This is Sam’s admission he did not provide what I ordered - Simple!
So where is my refund from Sam?
Obviously you cannot answer for Sam, beside he takes the “SAM IS GUILTY” approach and hides behind “Ignored” for everyone to see … indisputable FACT!
Maybe I should start a new thread to highlight Sam's lack of credibility with his PINs and TRM Auto Trade ... why ... because when you do evaluations on those it proves it is just another scam by Sam. Of course to keep things "balanced", "on an even keel" Sam would obviously be on the "Ignore" list.
And now surprisingly, you too have no answer, although based on the facts Sam has provided I can understand that OR you have seen the light and realise he is a scammer but just can’t/won’t say so (because he is your Buddy/Brother) … anyway you have taken the “boxer on the ropes and now on his knees” approach with no answer to the question
Where is my refund from Sam?
and now you have gone a massive step further and "thrown in the towel" with your comment “end of story”
And by the way thanks for suggesting that Twee get involved with this ... appreciated, did not think of that
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  • #4,338
  • Feb 19, 2018 3:55am Feb 19, 2018 3:55am
Quoting PayItForward
Husky … You say “Prove coder is a scammer.and he scammed you… 1, 2, 3. Any proof anyone needs is below, direct from Sam “I will send you the money”, and Sam did not! Whether it is for $1, $50, $500 or $5000 … a scam is a scam and the principle is the same and scammers need to be exposed whether they are your “Buddies” or Brothers! {image} This is Sam’s admission he did not provide what I ordered - Simple! So where is my refund from Sam? Obviously you cannot answer for Sam, beside he takes the “SAM IS GUILTY” approach and hides behind “Ignored” for...
he said that i am sure just cos youre a dificult kind.
dont want to see what can happen with a bartender who dont give you the beer cold enough at exact celsius value
and i'm sorry but i am still loking at this evidence bellow ,while you avoided to post it.
like i said when you do something do it 100% not just the 50% part fits to you.so according to that email evidence is clear you sent him 50 damn bucks because you was happy.now youre not happy,well life is hard sometimes
end of story.
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  • #4,339
  • Feb 19, 2018 4:01am Feb 19, 2018 4:01am
Quoting PayItForward
Husky … You say “Prove coder is a scammer.and he scammed you… 1, 2, 3. Any proof anyone needs is below, direct from Sam “I will send you the money”, and Sam did not! Whether it is for $1, $50, $500 or $5000 … a scam is a scam and the principle is the same and scammers need to be exposed whether they are your “Buddies” or Brothers! {image} This is Sam’s admission he did not provide what I ordered - Simple! So where is my refund from Sam? Obviously you cannot answer for Sam, beside he takes the “SAM IS GUILTY” approach and hides behind “Ignored” for...
Talking about TRM, one thing is create a tool for solve a problem and other is "sell" will make you rich. He never promised his tool will make miracles. Anyway i told him fix a bad strategy is not the right way. That is reason any recovery tool is reliable really
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  • #4,340
  • Feb 19, 2018 5:23am Feb 19, 2018 5:23am
Quoting Husky77
{quote}
Just like Sam, when you cannot say something based on facts you use misdirection, a cold beer, really? That is really grasping at straws.
If that is the best you can do no wonder you throw in the towel for second time.
Cheers where is my refund from Sam?
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