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  • #12,481
  • Feb 1, 2018 1:08pm Feb 1, 2018 1:08pm
Quoting Pipfu
After a few years of research / experimentation I came up with this as a baseline for supplementation: Zinc 45mg, mag 1-2g, D 2-5k iu depending on the time of year, C 1-5g winter time mostly. You could really call this thread the hippie hole lol
Add oregano oil to you're supplementation.
The health benefits can be attributed to its properties as an
antiviral,
antibacterial,
antifungal,
antiparasitic,
antioxidant,
anti-inflammatory,
digestive,
emmenagogue,
and an anti-allergenic substance.
  • #12,482
  • Feb 1, 2018 2:02pm Feb 1, 2018 2:02pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Not trying to be argumentative but there is zero evidence that chlorine is a carcinogen. Chlorine occurs naturally in the human body as Cl- or chloride since it is in solution. Pretty much every industrialized country in the world makes their municipal water supply safe by adding chlorine. Most add chlorine to their swimming pools to keep them sanitary. If chlorine was proven to be a carcinogen I'm sure it would not be used in the ways described above.
When chlorine is added to our water it reacts with other natural compounds to form Trihalomethanes which are by-products of chlorine. These by-products produce free radicals in the body, which trigger cell damage, and are highly carcinogenic. The Environmental Defense Fund states that: “Although concentrations of these carcinogens (THMs) are low, it is precisely these low levels that cancer scientists believe are responsible for the majority of human cancers in the United States.”

Source: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/15/chlorine-is-toxic-what-you-need-to-know-about-chlorine-your-health/
  • #12,483
  • Feb 1, 2018 2:08pm Feb 1, 2018 2:08pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Here is the physiology: When one's blood sugar increases the pancreas secretes insulin. Insulin has the immediate effect of forcing glucose out of the blood stream. It may store it as glycogen in muscles if the muscles are not already saturated or as glycogen in the liver if it is not already saturated. Otherwise excess glucose is converted to fat. The consumption of refined carbs will cause an immediate rise in blood sugar. If you are healthy your body will immediately rectify that by secreting insulin. If you consistently consume refined...
I don't believe it is as simple as that. Can you explain why the Japanese and people around the Med have such longevity? Their diets are centred on refined carbs!

Anyhow, although we do have a lot of rice and pasta, we also have plenty of low GI foods. It's a mix. Nothing like porridge to keep you going.
  • #12,484
  • Feb 1, 2018 2:41pm Feb 1, 2018 2:41pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} When chlorine is added to our water it reacts with other natural compounds to form Trihalomethanes which are by-products of chlorine. These by-products produce free radicals in the body, which trigger cell damage, and are highly carcinogenic. The Environmental Defense Fund states that: “Although concentrations of these carcinogens (THMs) are low, it is precisely these low levels that cancer scientists believe are responsible for the majority of human cancers in the United States.” Source: http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/15/chlorine-is-toxic-what-you-need-to-know-about-chlorine-your-health/...
Again there is no scientific evidence that chlorine is a carcinogen. I tend to rely on science and not the collective thoughts of liberal wanna-be do gooders who thing they know what is good for everyone.
  • #12,485
  • Feb 1, 2018 2:44pm Feb 1, 2018 2:44pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} I don't believe it is as simple as that. Can you explain why the Japanese and people around the Med have such longevity? Their diets are centred on refined carbs! Anyhow, although we do have a lot of rice and pasta, we also have plenty of low GI foods. It's a mix. Nothing like porridge to keep you going.
The physiology is indisputable. It's available in any first year college anatomy and physiology textbook.

The Chinese diet is not high in refined carbs. It is quite the opposite. Rice is not a refined carbohydrate. Rice is a staple food in China but so are vegetables and fish. Fairly recently Western dietary practices have begun to infiltrate the Chinese diet and their rate of cardiovascular disease has been rising. The Mediterranean diet is similar and included many healthy oils and fats. Oh yeah and they consume quite of bit of red wine too.
  • #12,486
  • Feb 1, 2018 3:00pm Feb 1, 2018 3:00pm
Quoting AlexC
{quote} Splenda is like adding chlorine to your tea or coffee. The same chlorine we put in our pools and in our washing machine in the form of chlorine bleach. Sweet bleach anyone? http://discoveryhealthpublishing.com/natural-sugar-substitute-would-you-knowingly-drink-bleach/
This is just factually incorrect. While splenda is made by replacing 3 hydroxyl groups with 3 chlorine atoms the chlorine is bound and does not interact with the human body. Ordinary table salt is NaCl. Is this adding chlorine to your food? Of course not. Again Cl- is naturally occurring in the body and essential to to normal cellular membrane function. There is no life without it.
  • #12,487
  • Feb 1, 2018 4:08pm Feb 1, 2018 4:08pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Again there is no scientific evidence that chlorine is a carcinogen. I tend to rely on science and not the collective thoughts of liberal wanna-be do gooders who thing they know what is good for everyone.
You can dispute and insult what you don't like, no problem. I trust my instincts. There is no way I will ever touch artificial sweeteners, whether or not you or anyone believe chlorine is carcinogenic. I would rather not take the chance. I eat a very wholesome diet, nothing processed, everything cooked from fresh. It is mostly vegetarian, with a moderate amount of fish and seafood but little meat. Red meat is carcinogenic, but I suppose you will argue about that too. I have pasta, rice, potatoes and bread, as much as I like, but maybe what I like is quite different to what you like.

I am a walking advert for healthy living. My weight has been the same since I was 17, barring pregnancy. I look a lot younger than I am and yes, that is my pic, taken between Christmas and New Year just gone.
  • #12,488
  • Feb 1, 2018 4:27pm Feb 1, 2018 4:27pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} You can dispute and insult what you don't like, no problem. I trust my instincts. There is no way I will ever touch artificial sweeteners, whether or not you or anyone believe chlorine is carcinogenic. I would rather not take the chance. I eat a very wholesome diet, nothing processed, everything cooked from fresh. It is mostly vegetarian, with a moderate amount of fish and seafood but little meat. Red meat is carcinogenic, but I suppose you will argue about that too. I have pasta, rice, potatoes and bread, as much as I like, but maybe what...
I don't use artificial sweeteners either. My diet is also quite healthy and is high in protein and fat from healthy sources (paleo mostly). I eat a lot of red meat but it is mostly from grass fed sources. And yes there is zero scientific evidence that red meat is carcinogenic. Being a conservative I readily ridicule liberals who spout factually untrue BS to promote their holier than thou causes.

The biggest example of that is manmade global warming. A hoax perpetuated to control people. I'm very happy Trump dumped the Paris Accord. Anyway I digress.
  • #12,489
  • Feb 1, 2018 9:27pm Feb 1, 2018 9:27pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} This is just factually incorrect. While splenda is made by replacing 3 hydroxyl groups with 3 chlorine atoms the chlorine is bound and does not interact with the human body. Ordinary table salt is NaCl. Is this adding chlorine to your food? Of course not. Again Cl- is naturally occurring in the body and essential to to normal cellular membrane function. There is no life without it.
Your scientific data analogy is false. Splenda's chlorine bonding structure is a covalent bond and is similar to the biological warfare product called Agent Orange. That says enough.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doVaecB930M
  • #12,490
  • Feb 2, 2018 2:06am Feb 2, 2018 2:06am
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} I don't use artificial sweeteners either. My diet is also quite healthy and is high in protein and fat from healthy sources (paleo mostly). I eat a lot of red meat but it is mostly from grass fed sources. And yes there is zero scientific evidence that red meat is carcinogenic. Being a conservative I readily ridicule liberals who spout factually untrue BS to promote their holier than thou causes. The biggest example of that is manmade global warming. A hoax perpetuated to control people. I'm very happy Trump dumped the Paris Accord. Anyway...
You can call me names if that makes you feel better, but it won't change anything for you. You are already at death's door and carrying on with eating a lot of red meat will tip you over the threshold.

Why do you keep mentioning "grass fed" beef? Do not all cows eat grass? WTF do you feed the rest of your cows? Don't you have enough grass or land?

Mammalian flesh contain a monosaccharide called Neu5Gc and its function is to help the body distinguish between "self" and "foreign," so that the body digests food rather than itself. Humans lost this millions of years ago, but have a similar compound called Neu5Ac. However, antibodies for the former compound still exist in humans, hence the presence of Neu5Gc in the form of ingested meat, triggers an inflammatory response. Together with the acidic conditions, the inflammation is pronounced and repeated over time, the inflammation can turn into tumours.
  • #12,491
  • Feb 2, 2018 4:01am Feb 2, 2018 4:01am
I went vegetarian in 1998, 20 years ago cause of the BSE, mad cow disease scare that summer while in Europe. They were feeding cows other ground up dead cows and sheep. Cannibalism literally forced on the poor animals so the producers can maximize profits at the expense of the consumers. Strange how people quickly forget.
For myself the first month without meat was the hardest, after that, no problem. Why eat cow that eats grass, skip the middle and eat grass directly. That’s were it gets all its nutrients. Makes you think. I was mocked and they said: “You eat like a goat then”. I replied: “No, like a horse!” I have no regrets. I don’t eat soy or corn or their byproducts either cause of them being, unfortunately, genetically modified.
  • #12,492
  • Feb 2, 2018 7:19am Feb 2, 2018 7:19am
Quoting AlexC
{quote} Your scientific data analogy is false. Splenda's chlorine bonding structure is a covalent bond and is similar to the biological warfare product called Agent Orange. That says enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doVaecB930M
True it is a covalent bond. However your suggestion that the amount of chlorine in Splenda is similar to what we put in our pools or that of Agent Orange is ludicrous. Pool chlorine is vastly different than that in Splenda. How do you explain the NaCl or ordinary table salt? I submit people get much more "Cl" from salt and other sources than from Splenda. Your analogies comparing Splenda to pool chlorine and agent orange are ridiculous exaggerations.
  • #12,493
  • Feb 2, 2018 7:33am Feb 2, 2018 7:33am
Quoting jen101
{quote} You can call me names if that makes you feel better, but it won't change anything for you. You are already at death's door and carrying on with eating a lot of red meat will tip you over the threshold. Why do you keep mentioning "grass fed" beef? Do not all cows eat grass? WTF do you feed the rest of your cows? Don't you have enough grass or land? Mammalian flesh contain a monosaccharide called Neu5Gc and its function is to help the body distinguish between "self" and "foreign," so that the body digests food rather than itself. Humans lost...
Many cattle raisers feed their cows grains instead of grass. Feeding grain is much cheaper and requires less land to raise the cattle. Grass fed cattle requires much more land to graze on and therefore is much more expensive. Grain fed beef is much higher in omega 6 fatty acids than grass-fed beef which is higher in omega 3 fatty acids. Omega 6 is very inflammatory while Omega 3 is anti-inflammatory.

Despite the demonization by certain left wing organizations animals are a natural source of nutrition and there is nothing wrong with consuming them. Eating animal protein is no less healthier than being a vegetarian.

By the way I'm not calling you names Jen. I'm referring to radical liberals in general and how they perpetuate myths. Even if you are a liberal then so be it. Your posts in this thread suggest you are not.

Oh and I'm not at deaths door. Despite my 2 heart attacks I am quite healthy. I ski in Ruidoso, New Mexico at Ski Apache...moguls, black diamonds, etc. Elevation is as high as 12,000 feet in some areas. I suspect if I was at death's door I would not be able to do that.
  • #12,494
  • Feb 2, 2018 7:36am Feb 2, 2018 7:36am
Quoting AlexC
I went vegetarian in 1998, 20 years ago cause of the BSE, mad cow disease scare that summer while in Europe. They were feeding cows other ground up dead cows and sheep. Cannibalism literally forced on the poor animals so the producers can maximize profits at the expense of the consumers. Strange how people quickly forget. For myself the first month without meat was the hardest, after that, no problem. Why eat cow that eats grass, skip the middle and eat grass directly. That’s were it gets all its nutrients. Makes you think. I was mocked and they...
What, you mean you don't eat a slab of cow for breakfast? What's wrong with you, are you a poof or liberal or something?

Just make sure you take B12 supplements. Or munch on termites like gorillas.
  • #12,495
  • Feb 2, 2018 7:39am Feb 2, 2018 7:39am
Quoting AlexC
{quote} Your scientific data analogy is false. Splenda's chlorine bonding structure is a covalent bond and is similar to the biological warfare product called Agent Orange. That says enough. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doVaecB930M
By the way Dr. Mercola is a fraud. My sources are usually scientific journals not rubbish like your video.

http://www.alternativecomplementarymedicine.com/the-real-truth-about-mercola-scammer/
  • #12,496
  • Feb 2, 2018 7:45am Feb 2, 2018 7:45am
So for breakfast this morning I had 2 eggs over hard (cage free), 4 bacon slices (nitrite and nitrate free) and 2 cups of coffee with heavy whipping cream (from cows raised on grass and no antibiotics). Ummmmm good!!!
  • #12,497
  • Feb 2, 2018 7:45am Feb 2, 2018 7:45am
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Many cattle raisers feed their cows grains instead of grass. Feeding grain is much cheaper and requires less land to raise the cattle. Grass fed cattle requires much more land to graze on and therefore is much more expensive. Grain fed beef is much higher in omega 6 fatty acids than grass-fed beef which is higher in omega 3 fatty acids. Omega 6 is very inflammatory while Omega 3 is anti-inflammatory. Despite the demonization by certain left wing organizations animals are a natural source of nutrition and there is nothing wrong with consuming...
You should eat what you like and be happy. That will probably do you more good anyway. Happy skiing! ☺
  • #12,498
  • Feb 2, 2018 7:47am Feb 2, 2018 7:47am
Quoting Winston Reed
So for breakfast this morning I had 2 eggs over hard (cage free), 4 bacon slices (nitrite and nitrate free) and 2 cups of coffee with heavy whipping cream (from cows raised on grass and no antibiotics). Ummmmm good!!!
I had plain natural yogurt with raspberries, blueberries and banana with a sprinkle of pumpkin and other seeds. ☺
  • #12,499
  • Feb 2, 2018 7:54am Feb 2, 2018 7:54am
Some more inconvenient facts about chlorine:

According to physician and biochemist Dr. James Bowen, chlorocarbons are "never nutritionally compatible with our metabolic processes and are wholly incompatible with normal human metabolic functioning."

When most people think of chlorine, they think of bleach, or the stuff they pour in their pools. The truth is that chlorine is just another element on the periodic table, and it is naturally present in many foods that you eat. On a molecular level, salt is made of sodium and chlorine, with the chemical name sodium chloride. If you eat meat, vegetables, bread, pasta, ice cream or various snack foods, you already eat chlorine.


There is a segment of the population that believes the chlorine in Splenda can impair health. It's not the chlorine content that is the concern, because table salt is considered safe. It's the fact that in making sucralose, the chlorine bonds to carbon, producing a chemical known as a chlorocarbon. Chlorocarbons are often used as preservatives and insecticides because the molecular structure can deliver a toxic dose of chlorine directly into the cells of insects and microorganisms, and those who are concerned about Splenda feel it has the same effect on humans. According to physician and biochemist Dr. James Bowen, chlorocarbons are "never nutritionally compatible with our metabolic processes and are wholly incompatible with normal human metabolic functioning."


Despite the concerns of a vocal minority, Splenda appears to be safe for human consumption -- if it weren't, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration would not have approved it for sale. A 2000 issue of the journal "Food and Chemical Toxicology" published the results of multiple studies on the toxicology of Splenda, and no evidence of toxicity was found, although one study found that a hydrolyzed chlorocarbon related to sucralose produced brain lesions in mice and monkeys, indicating a central nervous system problem. The results of this study have not been examined in regard to Splenda and human health as of time of publication.

  • #12,500
  • Feb 2, 2018 7:55am Feb 2, 2018 7:55am
Quoting jen101
{quote} I had plain natural yogurt with raspberries, blueberries and banana with a sprinkle of pumpkin and other seeds. ☺
I love yogurt to. Plain also with blueberries and cinnamon!
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