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  • #12,461
  • Feb 1, 2018 9:08am Feb 1, 2018 9:08am
Quoting AlexC
{quote} I like making this in a bottle: Add about 10 oz of filtered water, a spoonful of shaken, raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar and a spoonful of organic raw honey. Shake it till the honey is disolved and drink up. Your body will thank you for it.
I have about 10ml of apple cider vinegar a day too. I dilute it in about half a cup of apple juice, otherwise it is too hard going and down it through a straw because I don't want that near my teeth. Add a teaspoon of turmeric into that if you can stomach it. I can't I just use turmeric a lot in curries.

Quoting Pipfu
{quote} Systemic enzymes are also good for managing plaque build up. Combined with something like this and some exercise, heart disease shouldn't be a worry...
Plus a healthy weight and low visceral fat.
  • #12,462
  • Feb 1, 2018 9:17am Feb 1, 2018 9:17am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Ha! You should read some of these posts. A lot of triggered people on here. I am trying to be kinder and gentler in 2018!
We need a resident arsehole.
  • #12,463
  • Feb 1, 2018 9:19am Feb 1, 2018 9:19am
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} I've had 2 heart attacks. I was addicted to high carbohydrates especially pastries from Starbucks. I'm now on a Paleo diet but I do smoke cigars occasionally and drink red wine. I would rather die before giving those up. I take 40mg of Lipitor every other day. My doctor wants me to take 80 mg daily. It's been more than 5 years since my second heart attack. I feel great. I eat red meat (from grass fed sources), cage free eggs, fish, and plenty of veggies. I avoid processed carbs like the plague.
I went to a wake yesterday for a friend. The day he passed away he felt his BP was high, it was 190/100 and tried to relax to bring it down.
Minutes later he had a heart attack and he passed away. It was quick.
The main culprit that did him in was stress.
Besides diet and exercise, stress is a major factor for heart desease.
No joke so Winston, take good care of yourself.
  • #12,464
  • Feb 1, 2018 9:21am Feb 1, 2018 9:21am
Anyone here tried monatomic gold ?
  • #12,465
  • Feb 1, 2018 9:29am Feb 1, 2018 9:29am
Quoting AlexC
{quote} I went to a wake yesterday for a friend. The day he passed away he felt his BP was high, it was 190/100 and tried to relax to bring it down. Minutes later he had a heart attack and he passed away. It was quick. The main culprit that did him in was stress. Besides diet and exercise, stress is a major factor for heart desease. No joke so Winston, take good care of yourself.
Stress is simply a catalyst. Better to have a healthy heart in the first place that can withstand stress.
  • #12,466
  • Feb 1, 2018 9:44am Feb 1, 2018 9:44am
Quoting AlexC
{quote} Along with synthetic sugars like aspartame, watch out for a whole list of other afflictions. Dr. Russell Blaylock talks about excitotoxins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6WBFb-OAYQ
I read somewhere that even synthetics like Splenda can put you on the hook for trouble down the road.

Quoting jen101
{quote} I have about 10ml of apple cider vinegar a day too. I dilute it in about half a cup of apple juice, otherwise it is too hard going and down it through a straw because I don't want that near my teeth. Add a teaspoon of turmeric into that if you can stomach it. I can't I just use turmeric a lot in curries. {quote} Plus a healthy weight and low visceral fat.
What brand of ACV do you use? Here the go to brand is Braggs. Is it like that over there?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,467
  • Feb 1, 2018 10:06am Feb 1, 2018 10:06am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Stress is simply a catalyst. Better to have a healthy heart in the first place that can withstand stress.
Stressors might be catalysts but chronic stress, in particular, is a major factor in heart desease. Your heart doesn't live in a vacuum. It's connected to the brain. Heart and brain must both be healthy.
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  • #12,468
  • Feb 1, 2018 10:21am Feb 1, 2018 10:21am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} ... I am trying to be kinder and gentler in 2018!
Try Je m'en fous
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  • #12,469
  • Feb 1, 2018 10:25am Feb 1, 2018 10:25am
Quoting jen101
{quote} We need a resident arsehole.
Poor thing.
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  • #12,470
  • Feb 1, 2018 10:31am Feb 1, 2018 10:31am
Quoting AlexC
{quote} Try Je m'en fous {image}
It is too close to Nihilism for my taste. I do care as a true liberal for my brothers and sisters. I cannot sit back and watch the world burn, there may be people in there.

Quoting AlexC
{quote} Try Je m'en fous {image}
For some reason, I prefer Jiu Jitsu to Kung Fu.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,471
  • Feb 1, 2018 11:56am Feb 1, 2018 11:56am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Good grief! It's a miracle you're still here! However, I think you are wrong to blame the carbohydrate content of your pastries (unless of course you are overweight and the calories contribute to that). Commercial pastries in the US would contain a lot of trans fats and that is the culprit. The French eat a lot of pastries, but they are made fresh every day in their patisseries using proper ingredients such as butter instead. They would not touch hydrogenated or trans fats. I do not believe that carbs, even the refined ones are dangerous...
My reference to carbs is processed and refined carbs although I do avoid most carbs except those in vegetables and some fruits. The concentration on low fat diets in the US has led to a dramatic increase in dietary carbs. Despite the mantra that low fat and low cholesterol is supposed to prevent heart disease it has not. In fact the incidence of diabetes and heart disease has increased.

It is a fact that increased blood sugar increases bad triglycerides. High blood sugar causes glycosylation. Google "Role of advanced glycation end products in cardiovascular disease".

Lipitor is the number one drug sold in the US. The Big pharm wants you to believed high cholesterol is the culprit. They are in bed with most cardiologists although some are beginning to come around to the truth of a diet high in refined carbs.
  • #12,472
  • Feb 1, 2018 12:04pm Feb 1, 2018 12:04pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I read somewhere that even synthetics like Splenda can put you on the hook for trouble down the road. {quote} What brand of ACV do you use? Here the go to brand is Braggs. Is it like that over there?
Splenda is sucralose. It is synthesized with these chemicals. Chlorine is highly carcinogenic.

1. Acetone
2. Acetic acid
3. Acetyl alcohol
4. Acetic anhydride
5. Ammonium chloride
6. Benzene
7. Chlorinated sulfates
8. Ethyl alcohol
9. Isobutyl ketones
10. Formaldehyde
11. Hydrogen chloride
12. Lithium chloride
13. Methanol
14. Sodium methoxide
15. Sulfuryl chloride
16. Trityl chloride
17. Toluene
18. Thionyl chloride

Almost as many ingredients as McDonald's chips.

We have Braggs here too.
  • #12,473
  • Feb 1, 2018 12:06pm Feb 1, 2018 12:06pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I read somewhere that even synthetics like Splenda can put you on the hook for trouble down the road. {quote} What brand of ACV do you use? Here the go to brand is Braggs. Is it like that over there?
Splenda is like adding chlorine to your tea or coffee. The same chlorine we put in our pools and in our washing machine in the form of chlorine bleach.
Sweet bleach anyone?


http://discoveryhealthpublishing.com/natural-sugar-substitute-would-you-knowingly-drink-bleach/
  • #12,474
  • Feb 1, 2018 12:17pm Feb 1, 2018 12:17pm
Quoting Squiggles
Anyone here tried monatomic gold ?
I haven't. Has it helped you? I do take a zinc suppliment every day from November till April and while everyone is getting the flu, I don't. I haven't had a flu shot for over 20 years.
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  • #12,475
  • Feb 1, 2018 12:19pm Feb 1, 2018 12:19pm
Gary Taubes has written several books regarding "sugar". "The Case Against Sugar" is an amazing read. He has also written "Why We Get Fat", "Good Calories Bad Calories" and others. Read these and your view on carbs will at least be challenged.
  • #12,476
  • Feb 1, 2018 12:33pm Feb 1, 2018 12:33pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} Splenda is sucralose. It is synthesized with these chemicals. Chlorine is highly carcinogenic. 1. Acetone 2. Acetic acid 3. Acetyl alcohol 4. Acetic anhydride 5. Ammonium chloride 6. Benzene 7. Chlorinated sulfates 8. Ethyl alcohol 9. Isobutyl ketones 10. Formaldehyde 11. Hydrogen chloride 12. Lithium chloride 13. Methanol 14. Sodium methoxide 15. Sulfuryl chloride 16. Trityl chloride 17. Toluene 18. Thionyl chloride Almost as many ingredients as McDonald's chips. We have Braggs here too.
Not trying to be argumentative but there is zero evidence that chlorine is a carcinogen. Chlorine occurs naturally in the human body as Cl- or chloride since it is in solution. Pretty much every industrialized country in the world makes their municipal water supply safe by adding chlorine. Most add chlorine to their swimming pools to keep them sanitary. If chlorine was proven to be a carcinogen I'm sure it would not be used in the ways described above.
  • #12,477
  • Feb 1, 2018 12:42pm Feb 1, 2018 12:42pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} We need a resident arsehole.
I might know a guy...
  • #12,478
  • Feb 1, 2018 12:43pm Feb 1, 2018 12:43pm
Quoting Winston Reed
Gary Taubes has written several books regarding "sugar". "The Case Against Sugar" is an amazing read. He has also written "Why We Get Fat", "Good Calories Bad Calories" and others. Read these and your view on carbs will at least be challenged.
I think the case on carbs is all down to who you are and your lifestyle. Skinny kids running around all day do well with foods like pasta. I am pretty active normally, I go to the gym 2 to 3 times a week and hammer the cardio machines for an hour each time, I do Wing Chun training too and next week I will be skiing every day for about 8 hours a day, so yes, bring on all the carbs and calories! People get fat because they eat too much and move too little, nothing more to it.
  • #12,479
  • Feb 1, 2018 12:50pm Feb 1, 2018 12:50pm
After a few years of research / experimentation I came up with this as a baseline for supplementation:
Zinc 45mg, mag 1-2g, D 2-5k iu depending on the time of year, C 1-5g winter time mostly.
You could really call this thread the hippie hole lol
  • #12,480
  • Feb 1, 2018 1:02pm Feb 1, 2018 1:02pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} I think the case on carbs is all down to who you are and your lifestyle. Skinny kids running around all day do well with foods like pasta. I am pretty active normally, I go to the gym 2 to 3 times a week and hammer the cardio machines for an hour each time, I do Wing Chun training too and next week I will be skiing every day for about 8 hours a day, so yes, bring on all the carbs and calories! People get fat because they eat too much and move too little, nothing more to it.
Here is the physiology: When one's blood sugar increases the pancreas secretes insulin. Insulin has the immediate effect of forcing glucose out of the blood stream. It may store it as glycogen in muscles if the muscles are not already saturated or as glycogen in the liver if it is not already saturated. Otherwise excess glucose is converted to fat. The consumption of refined carbs will cause an immediate rise in blood sugar. If you are healthy your body will immediately rectify that by secreting insulin. If you consistently consume refined carbs on a regular basis you will overwork your pancreas. Also your body will begin to get used to higher blood sugar levels and your baseline blood sugar will begin to rise over time. This will lead to a prediabetic condition or metabolic syndrome. You may burn off the excess calories with an abundance of exercise but your body will still be exposed to the inflammatory effects of intermittent elevated blood sugar and over time damage will be done.
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