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  • #12,441
  • Jan 31, 2018 5:13am Jan 31, 2018 5:13am
Quoting EfYou
{quote} J don't give a shit to be quite honest and your caring side does not wash with me, while you subtly refer to my "Alias", load the bullets and someone will pull the trigger for you.
Alias is a general term. As far as giving a toss, I don't either. I cannot be caring to an alias, it was simple curiosity on my part. I am quite flattered that some of you think I have the power to get you banned tho.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,442
  • Jan 31, 2018 5:15am Jan 31, 2018 5:15am
Jmn likes a good sparring session.
  • #12,443
  • Jan 31, 2018 5:20am Jan 31, 2018 5:20am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Alias is a general term. As far as giving a toss, I don't either. I cannot be caring to an alias, it was simple curiosity on my part. I am quite flattered that some of you think I have the power to get you banned tho.

See you prove yourself. Why would anyone be flattered about having the power to ban ? Alias a general term my arse, "Alias" is what it says on the tin just like "Trade Small and Win Big" So many in pure fantasy land.
  • #12,444
  • Jan 31, 2018 5:27am Jan 31, 2018 5:27am
Quoting jen101
Jmn likes a good sparring session.
Yep, just had a nice one over at the suicide thread!

Quoting EfYou
{quote} See you prove yourself. Why would anyone be flattered about having the power to ban ? Alias a general term my arse, "Alias" is what it says on the tin just like "Trade Small and Win Big" So many in pure fantasy land.
Because I do not the power to get anyone banned. That was my point, I am just a another alias just like you. Alias can be interchanged with handle, maybe I will just use handle if alias triggers you.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,445
  • Jan 31, 2018 6:48am Jan 31, 2018 6:48am
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  • #12,446
  • Jan 31, 2018 8:10am Jan 31, 2018 8:10am
Quoting jen101
Do you believe high cholesterol puts you at high risk of heart disease and strokes? https://youtu.be/zjqQKwArBtc Do you believe you should take statins to lower your cholesterol levels? https://youtu.be/Ry1Z8buyd8I https://youtu.be/6xXJUX02rto
It's not cholesterol, and it's not sugar either. Inflammation is the culprit. Statins don't do anything for that...
  • #12,447
  • Jan 31, 2018 9:06am Jan 31, 2018 9:06am
Quoting Pipfu
{quote} It's not cholesterol, and it's not sugar either. Inflammation is the culprit. Statins don't do anything for that...
Processed sugar is very inflammatory.
  • #12,448
  • Jan 31, 2018 1:04pm Jan 31, 2018 1:04pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} Processed sugar is very inflammatory.
Along with synthetic sugars like aspartame, watch out for a whole list of other afflictions.
Dr. Russell Blaylock talks about excitotoxins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6WBFb-OAYQ
  • #12,449
  • Jan 31, 2018 2:01pm Jan 31, 2018 2:01pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} Processed sugar is very inflammatory.
Yes but so good...
  • #12,450
  • Jan 31, 2018 2:21pm Jan 31, 2018 2:21pm
Quoting Pipfu
{quote} Yes but so good...
Luckily I don't have a sweet tooth, but I occasionally would eat a cake or have dessert but never touch any sweeteners. Aspartame in particular is just pure poison. I never have diet anything. I use honey to sweeten things for my kids if they want it. Easy.

And processed sugar is sooo aging. I would put that at number 3 after smoking and baking in the sun. A little bit of sun is good though for Vit D.
  • #12,451
  • Jan 31, 2018 7:40pm Jan 31, 2018 7:40pm
Quoting Pipfu
{quote} It's not cholesterol, and it's not sugar either. Inflammation is the culprit. Statins don't do anything for that...
Inflammation is a large culprit of cardiovascular disease. Contrary to popular belief cholesterol is not the cause and has never been conclusively prove to be the cause. Cholesterol is a normal constituent of human metabolism and is especially important to brain and neuro health. Medicine's focus on lowering cholesterol is rooted in falsehood. A diet high in sugar and refined carbohydrates is in fact quite inflammatory and is the root cause of cardiovascular disease. The focus on low fat diets has been the largest contributor to coronary artery disease. Healthy fat is not inflammatory. Statins are in fact anti-inflammatory. It is a medical fact.
  • #12,452
  • Jan 31, 2018 7:45pm Jan 31, 2018 7:45pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Inflammation is a large culprit of cardiovascular disease. Contrary to popular belief cholesterol is not the cause and has never been conclusively prove to be the cause. Cholesterol is a normal constituent of human metabolism and is especially important to brain and neuro health. Medicine's focus on lowering cholesterol is rooted in falsehood. A diet high in sugar and refined carbohydrates is in fact quite inflammatory and is the root cause of cardiovascular disease. The focus on low fat diets has been the largest contributor to coronary...
I've had 2 heart attacks. I was addicted to high carbohydrates especially pastries from Starbucks. I'm now on a Paleo diet but I do smoke cigars occasionally and drink red wine. I would rather die before giving those up. I take 40mg of Lipitor every other day. My doctor wants me to take 80 mg daily. It's been more than 5 years since my second heart attack. I feel great. I eat red meat (from grass fed sources), cage free eggs, fish, and plenty of veggies. I avoid processed carbs like the plague.
  • #12,453
  • Jan 31, 2018 8:18pm Jan 31, 2018 8:18pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Inflammation is a large culprit of cardiovascular disease. Contrary to popular belief cholesterol is not the cause and has never been conclusively prove to be the cause. Cholesterol is a normal constituent of human metabolism and is especially important to brain and neuro health. Medicine's focus on lowering cholesterol is rooted in falsehood. A diet high in sugar and refined carbohydrates is in fact quite inflammatory and is the root cause of cardiovascular disease. The focus on low fat diets has been the largest contributor to coronary...
I wasn't aware of the anti-inflammatory properties of statins. The marketing focus has been on the cholesterol lowering which I agree is total bullshit.
Problem with statins is that they rob your brain of the healthy fats that it is mostly made of.
I also agree that refined carbs, and processed sugar could be considered root causes for inflammation, but am not convinced they are the culprit. I lean more toward vegetable oils as the primary dietary contributors...
  • #12,454
  • Edited 5:48am Feb 1, 2018 5:17am | Edited 5:48am
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} I've had 2 heart attacks. I was addicted to high carbohydrates especially pastries from Starbucks. I'm now on a Paleo diet but I do smoke cigars occasionally and drink red wine. I would rather die before giving those up. I take 40mg of Lipitor every other day. My doctor wants me to take 80 mg daily. It's been more than 5 years since my second heart attack. I feel great. I eat red meat (from grass fed sources), cage free eggs, fish, and plenty of veggies. I avoid processed carbs like the plague.
Good grief! It's a miracle you're still here! However, I think you are wrong to blame the carbohydrate content of your pastries (unless of course you are overweight and the calories contribute to that). Commercial pastries in the US would contain a lot of trans fats and that is the culprit. The French eat a lot of pastries, but they are made fresh every day in their patisseries using proper ingredients such as butter instead. They would not touch hydrogenated or trans fats.

I do not believe that carbs, even the refined ones are dangerous like refined sugar. Around the Med they eat an awful lot of pasta, yet live to a ripe age and the prevalence of cardiovascular diseases are low. This is also due to other factors, such as the protective effect of olive oil, red wine (containing resveratrol) and possibly compounds in porcini mushrooms as well as a high fruit, vegetable, fish and grain diet. The Japanese eat a lot of white rice and they live about the longest, so I think to blame carbs is misplaced.

http://www.euro.who.int/en/media-centre/sections/press-releases/2014/europe-leads-the-world-in-eliminating-trans-fats

From that article, re. trans fats: "consumption of only 5 g per day is associated with a 23% increase in the risk of coronary heart disease."
  • #12,455
  • Edited 6:48am Feb 1, 2018 5:29am | Edited 6:48am
Quoting Pipfu
{quote} I wasn't aware of the anti-inflammatory properties of statins. The marketing focus has been on the cholesterol lowering which I agree is total bullshit. Problem with statins is that they rob your brain of the healthy fats that it is mostly made of. I also agree that refined carbs, and processed sugar could be considered root causes for inflammation, but am not convinced they are the culprit. I lean more toward vegetable oils as the primary dietary contributors...
Statins are the biggest earners for the pharmas. GPs have targets to write out prescriptions for statins. If they do not meet those targets, they lose funding. Blaming cholesterol is pseudo science, that is they only took the data that fitted their aim and ignored the rest, then gave that to the marketeers and scaremongers. Can you believe it, in America, there are kids on statins! The brain doesn't stop growing till 25.

Statins have a massive amount of side effects. They may have some anti inflammatory properties, but is it worth it? You get far better and more from changing your diet. I would put money on it that apple cider vinegar and turmeric are far more anti inflammatory than statins.
  • #12,456
  • Feb 1, 2018 5:57am Feb 1, 2018 5:57am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Yep, just had a nice one over at the suicide thread! {quote} Because I do not the power to get anyone banned. That was my point, I am just a another alias just like you. Alias can be interchanged with handle, maybe I will just use handle if alias triggers you.
Being triggered is reserved for real life, not word boxing.
  • #12,457
  • Feb 1, 2018 8:03am Feb 1, 2018 8:03am
Quoting EfYou
{quote} Being triggered is reserved for real life, not word boxing.
Reminded me of this
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  • #12,458
  • Feb 1, 2018 8:32am Feb 1, 2018 8:32am
Quoting jen101
{quote} ... I would put money on it that apple cider vinegar and turmeric are far more anti inflammatory than statins.
I like making this in a bottle:
Add about 10 oz of filtered water, a spoonful of shaken, raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar and a spoonful of organic raw honey.
Shake it till the honey is disolved and drink up.
Your body will thank you for it.
  • #12,459
  • Feb 1, 2018 8:40am Feb 1, 2018 8:40am
Quoting EfYou
{quote} Being triggered is reserved for real life, not word boxing.
Ha! You should read some of these posts. A lot of triggered people on here. I am trying to be kinder and gentler in 2018!
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #12,460
  • Feb 1, 2018 8:41am Feb 1, 2018 8:41am
Quoting AlexC
{quote} I like making this in a bottle: Add about 10 oz of filtered water, a spoonful of shaken, raw unfiltered apple cider vinegar and a spoonful of organic raw honey. Shake it till the honey is disolved and drink up. Your body will thank you for it.
Systemic enzymes are also good for managing plaque build up. Combined with something like this and some exercise, heart disease shouldn't be a worry...
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