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  • #85,741
  • Jan 19, 2018 4:16am Jan 19, 2018 4:16am
Quoting realjumper
{quote} Ok. I'll dumb it down further for you. You are offering your 'teachings' HERE. And EVERYONE who is viewing this thread can see this. That is to say that EVERYONE who reads this thread will likely read your posts. Your posts are (mostly) trying to TEACH. With me so far? You are NOT simple offering your teaching to your buddies only.....you are offering your teachings (via your posts) to EVERYONE who reads this thread. Now that we have established this FACT, my question is a simple one: Why do you only show your TE to specific people and not...

And the answer to Why?..... Emmanuel is?????
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  • #85,742
  • Jan 19, 2018 4:22am Jan 19, 2018 4:22am
Quoting The Cableguy
{quote} Nowhere, in any of my posts have i ever claimed that trading is easy!) Overcoming every obstacle, the disappointment that the market has an answer for every idea or piece of energy that you find, fighting it day after day for year after year, picking yourself up after every bruising encounter, only to be put back on your ass again and again... No... 'easy' it certainly ain't)
Of course it isn't easy, don't misinterpret the context of my question here, I have been handed my ass so many times that I know this isn't a walk in the park.
And I lose real money, not demo, so the pain is very real.

Could you kindly share some of your failed trades as, in my experience, failures teach more than successes?
  • #85,743
  • Jan 19, 2018 4:32am Jan 19, 2018 4:32am
Quoting emmanuel7788
All I read are trolls who do not trade the method and never posted any charts to share and show us if they can really trade the method . These people are here to create bad atmosphere and negative energy, and with intention to destroy what should be a thread for sharing and discussing trading.

You are not trading the method of the thread. You are the reason for the bad energy here and all over FF. You have destroyed the thread of a dead op. You are hiding like a 5 year old.


The solution would be realy simple by just following the rules and open your own thread. But we all know why you cant do this. So you have to scream a lot more in your interrupted highjacking. Too bad.
Newbies be warned of emmanuel7788. Hes not true.
  • #85,744
  • Jan 19, 2018 5:06am Jan 19, 2018 5:06am
Quoting darko2010
{quote} Of course it isn't easy, don't misinterpret the context of my question here, I have been handed my ass so many times that I know this isn't a walk in the park. And I lose real money, not demo, so the pain is very real. Could you kindly share some of your failed trades as, in my experience, failures teach more than successes?

They do and there are generally plenty of losers/BE's combined, it depends how aggressive you are with your Stoploss placement and because no two traders will trade the same way, it is a little pointless exercise to explain each case.

Some people like to eliminate risk as soon as possible, but run the risk of being taken out of a winning trade on an initial pullback, so ask yourself what is better, to save your self 4 or 5 pips on a couple of trades but maybe miss out on a +25 winner because of that strategy?

Others like to have a set amount of points risk per trade as opposed to placing their SL under point 3. Again, everytime there is a 2B reversal, i will be stopped out, only to see the original trade turn and come good, at least for a small profit, if not a return to trend, whereas the trader that gives the SL a little room to breathe may well stay in such a trade, but lose more pips in each genuine losing trade...

There is no right and wrong, but the whole point about using PA at prior Demand/Supply zones, is that it is minimal risk.

If my initial risk is 5 pips and the entry for an indicator based method (which will inevitably be a later entry), but with stops at the same point will likely be eg, a 20 pip risk.

Thus i can take a position 4 times bigger for the same risk in monetary terms. I can also eliminate risk after a retest, whereas a later entry can swing into profit and loss for some time thereafter.

So a winner for the indicator based trade might be equal to the initial risk, (let's say a 20 pip gain) whereas the same exit point for the early entry is some 7 times initial risk (35 pips). It becomes exponentially greater. Add to that, that even when trend has changed, there is often a reaction from prior S/D zone, enough for a stop to BE, whereas, in choppy PA, your indicator entry will afford you no such luxury.

The most common losers are when a 'B' wave of a slightly larger correction will have a small abc move which looks like a 123, trigger (as per the chart below). That one cost me 4 pips yesterday. I didn't even like the set-up at the time, because of the prior PA - (no discernible prior Demand level).

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For years, i concentrated on trying to improve success rates and eliminate losing trades, but i am certain that it is the wrong approach. You go around and around in circles, year after year.

Boredom also plays a part within active day trading, so the tighter you make the criteria for success, the more time you will have to spend at the screen and who can stare at a screen for hours waiting for that one perfect set-up to come along? You start to use social media, watch videos etc, the next thing you know, you missed it, because you weren't concentrating.

Day-trading should have no distractions and a self imposed time limit. Fatigue is a factor.

The importance of all of this is that you need to have a system that throws up many set-ups during your trading session, but is genuinely profitable, thus you need to find something where your R:R is skewed massively in your favour.... back again to point 1, indicator based trades, can not do this, because they lag PA.
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  • #85,745
  • Jan 19, 2018 5:09am Jan 19, 2018 5:09am
Quoting Tekkies
{quote} No problem. Sound advice. Post 64,386
Hey Folks,

Thanks Tekkies for that post#64386 link.

Dimi.A is correct and I fully agreed with him. That is why he is in my Buddies list. He is honest that's important.
Dimmi.A knows the method used by Big E very well but unfortunately most people who did not spend enough time reading and taking notes of all the posts of Big E and missed the most important aspect of how Big E traded.
This has been the problem here in this thread why many tried the 'system' and failed with the aggressive reversal entry the way Big E did. Many come here and talk only. They don't trade the way Big E did.
My message here all along has been that all newbies coming here should, first start trading the way Big E did when he was a newbie trading in 2008, that's was the original Synergy model and then gain more experience trading the Synergy model which Big E considered to be too conservative. He did not say that the Synergy model was no profitable but he said it was too conservative for him and he preferred his own aggressive trading style.
I trade the same old Synergy model in parallel to my own add-on like trading with MEME. I know the Synergy model is profitable but you need to look at long term trading results of 3 years minimum. There are some months where there were losses but never margin call in the last 10 years. Worst cases was 3 consecutove months of losses for some pairs.
I shared MEME for the advance TMS traders who have larger trading capital and wanted to diversify their trading. A few traders here have learned that and are trading live accounts.

Do you see the same problem as I do?
Learning and gaining experience by trading live in realtime market is very different from learning by studying old charts.

I know that Tekkies have been here and trying very hard to make members go back to read Big E's posts but still some are still struggling but chose to remain silent.

It's your own hard earned money that you are trading with. You learn it and you decide which style you want to trade. Start conservative and slowly master the method and then decide if you want to make the jump into trading aggressive like Big E. For me, I remain as a conservative trader and prefer to look at a longer term results. I am retired and I am not in a hurry to make quick money.

Good luck folks,
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  • #85,746
  • Edited 3:07pm Jan 19, 2018 5:30am | Edited 3:07pm
Further to above, discretion occurs everywhere and decision making only ever gets better with time and experience;

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Hopefully you can see that by using tight money management, we have BE trades (red circles) even when the trend is wrong (it goes on to print a LL after trade entry), but because it reacts at prior demand, it is enough to get stoploss to BE. Yes, you run the risk of being taken out of the trade and missing a winner, but that is using discretion, because the trend is suffering a slightly larger and choppier correction (pullback).

The same with my 'bluesky' comment. Why would PA turn there - there was no clear Demand area prior, in this case, if i decide to take a trade, i will be aggressive with my stoploss.

However, if the reaction and trade entry is after a deep retrace and perfectly in the middle of the prior S/D zone, we should be expecting a fresh HH (or LL if short) and thus, it is a time to be lapse with the SL chase, make sure a small pullback does not take you out of the trade at the worst place possible...

I have learnt from experience not to get too interested in shorts on an Instie day like today (we opened above extremes and continued to drive), at least not until later on. The strength is clear to see and also, the point to call a potential downtrend is only after the last significant HL has been taken out.

Again that is using discretion. That same discretion varies all of the time according to how PA is printing.
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  • #85,747
  • Jan 19, 2018 5:48am Jan 19, 2018 5:48am
Quoting Malony
{quote} You are not trading the method of the thread. You are the reason for the bad energy here and all over FF. You have destroyed the thread of a dead op. You are hiding like a 5 year old. The solution would be realy simple by just following the rules and open your own thread. But we all know why you cant do this. So you have to scream a lot more in your interrupted highjacking. Too bad.

@Malony

Are you trading the method in this thread.
You can start show some trades examples and help explain to newbies how to trade the reversal APB#1 and APB#2.
I want to learn the aggressive entry from you. You can be my teacher for aggressive trading like Big E.

I will still be trading the conservative approach like Big E when he was a newbie in 2008.

Good luck and look forward to see some of your posts with trades for sharing and discussions.
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  • #85,748
  • Jan 19, 2018 5:55am Jan 19, 2018 5:55am
Quoting Botan626
{quote} So you offering your "teaching" in this thread, yet your TEs are for your buddies only who don't need any teaching at all. Are you a local clown for cheering people up?

In my 30 years trading experience I learn to take losses.

To lose you must first make those pips so that you can lose but not lose your shirt.

LOL. you are again posting that very old TE of May 2017.

Do you have that latest TE closing the year Dec 2017?

To me, losing 1772 pips is easy and no stress. But first you must have made 2197 pips and give 1772 pips back to the market. Don't tell us here that has not happen to you before?

to lose 1772 pips loss

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you must first earn those 2197 pips,

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  • #85,749
  • Jan 19, 2018 6:01am Jan 19, 2018 6:01am
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} You can start show some trades examples and help explain to newbies how to trade the reversal APB#1 and APB#2. I want to learn the aggressive entry from you. You can be my teacher for aggressive trading like Big E.
Sure i could. Like you could open your own thread.


30 years of trading experience asking me (the troll) for teaching a ma cross?

LOL.

Sure you keep trading the old synergysystem cause you were never able to trade like Big E. And i keep smashing your lies. Thats the cost of being unhonest and unrespectfull emmanuel. Big E clearly came from the synergy and dont wanted it in here. Cause he didnt like the conservative style.
Newbies be warned of emmanuel7788. Hes not true.
  • #85,750
  • Jan 19, 2018 6:11am Jan 19, 2018 6:11am
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} In my 30 years trading experience I learn to take losses. To lose you must first make those pips so that you can lose but not lose your shirt. LOL. you are again posting that very old TE of May 2017. Do you have that latest TE closing the year Dec 2017? To me, losing 1772 pips is easy and no stress. But first you must have made 2197 pips and give 1772 pips back to the market. Don't tell us here that has not happen to you before? to lose 1772 pips loss {image} you must first earn those 2197 pips, {image}
Again you are trying to deceive people with your statement, when CLEARLY you are speaking of a VERY RECENT TE...a TE which is just 8 months old from your "30 long years" of experience.

Maybe for you, losing 1772 pips and 30% of the account is "no stress", but newbies who see that kind of irresponsible trading (averaging down) will feel very let down indeed. Here is this guy who says that he's made millions from the markets, and has "30 long years" of experience, yet he can't even show a profit to the people reading the thread.

This is irresponsible and misleading......and you continue to deny it, instead of being a man and admitting that you were wrong and you continued to pile on more trades which was also wrong.

Everyone loses from time to time...no exceptions. But those who refuse to accept their losses and learn from them will be doomed to repeat them. And worse, no w your saying that losing 30% of the account by sheer foolishness is "no stress" to you.

That's the mark of an idiot.
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  • #85,751
  • Jan 19, 2018 6:20am Jan 19, 2018 6:20am
Quoting Malony
{quote} Sure i could. Like you could open your own thread. 30 years of trading experience asking me (the troll) for teaching a ma cross? LOL. Sure you keep trading the old synergysystem cause you were never able to trade like Big E. And i keep smashing your lies. Thats the cost of being unhonest and unrespectfull emmanuel. Big E clearly came from the synergy and dont wanted it in here. Cause he didnt like the conservative style.

My 30 years trading experience tells me you cannot trade and you have too much emotions bottled up inside you. You lost it.

You can read but you don't understand what you read. My new thread is not here in Forex Factory and it for traders who are focus in spending their time in doing systems development with share resources.... like How to Develop a Winning Systems that Fit their individual needs.

All that I want to share are all here in FF in three different threads, here and thee other two:

https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=327972

https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=345586

I don't trade moving averages nor ma cross. I trade the price and the price action. These you still cannot differentiate the difference and have not learned.
I love the conservative trading approach of the Synergy trading model because it is profitable for me over longer term.
I don't like to trade Big E aggressive reversal entry.

Can you trade like Big E and are you profitable? show us some trades with charts.
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #85,752
  • Jan 19, 2018 6:30am Jan 19, 2018 6:30am
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} In my 30 years trading experience I learn to take losses. To lose you must first make those pips so that you can lose but not lose your shirt. LOL. you are again posting that very old TE of May 2017. Do you have that latest TE closing the year Dec 2017? To me, losing 1772 pips is easy and no stress. But first you must have made 2197 pips and give 1772 pips back to the market. Don't tell us here that has not happen to you before? to lose 1772 pips loss {image} you must first earn those 2197 pips, {image}
It doesn't matter how you gloss over it, the result is the same...you traded like a newbie. You took 72 days to earn those pips and only another 6 days to lose nearly all of them, anybody can do that, yes, but they don't set themselves up as a trader of 30 years standing, trying to show newbies how to trade, because if you can't trade yourself, then don't be so arrogant as to show others!!
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  • #85,753
  • Jan 19, 2018 6:32am Jan 19, 2018 6:32am
LOL,

Did I say I made millions from the market.
Folks, you should read with caution and do not let what someone is writing here deceive you that he is here to help newbies. He is here to get his ego massaged. Obviously he does not like what I do here and TMS thread has overtaken his Genesis Mattrx thread in 2012, he could not catch up and that make him very sore.

What is the problem losing 30% of a tiny test account of $500? I don't use demo account for testing and when member asked me.

Like Big E, $10,000 is entertainment money which he ....

Quoting eelfranz
Klops... (503) I'm not looking for 15 pips profit... more like 150 ! The money I put into my last trading account ($10,000) I don't even think about it. It's like the money you take to Las Vegas. You hope to win but don't often... Your taking money for entertainment and relaxation... So I don't give it a second thought... It's entertainment money as I said... Besides It always grows larger... I REMEMBER THE DAYS WRINGING OUT MY HANDS FOR MY $500 ACCOUNT... THE SKIES FALLING ! Help, help, help. If I enter a trade lets say...
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #85,754
  • Jan 19, 2018 6:35am Jan 19, 2018 6:35am
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} I don't trade moving averages nor ma cross. I trade the price and the price action. These you still cannot differentiate the difference and have not learned.

Even you should know that your fancy alibi charts have the ma`s on it. It`s called TDI. When you think i cant trade please stop begging me for teaching it to you.

I know you are trying to trade priceaction. Thats one reason why you are in the wrong thread and changing charts layout every week to have a alibi to post in the wrong thread.

Sure i know about moneyzillas thread and your usually sissylike hiding in there. Nothing new. Only the sissy Emm needs special treatment.


All facts clearly pointing to a real big idiot or some kind of affiliate of "trading seminars" or brokers. Maybe both. We`ll see.
Newbies be warned of emmanuel7788. Hes not true.
  • #85,755
  • Jan 19, 2018 6:38am Jan 19, 2018 6:38am
Quoting emmanuel7788
LOL, Did I say I made millions from the market. Folks, you should read with caution and do not let what someone is writing here deceive you that he is here to help newbies. He is here to get his ego massaged. Obviously he does not like what I do here and TMS thread has overtaken his Genesis Mattrx thread in 2012, he could not catch up and that make him very sore. What is the problem losing 30% of a tiny test account of $500? I don't use demo account for testing and when member asked me. Like Big E, $10,000 is entertainment money which he .... {quote}...
Oh dear now you really are deceiving yourself
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  • #85,756
  • Jan 19, 2018 6:42am Jan 19, 2018 6:42am
Quoting lisat
{quote}It doesn't matter how you gloss over it, the result is the same...you traded like a newbie. You took 72 days to earn those pips and only another 6 days to lose nearly all of them, anybody can do that, yes, but they don't set themselves up as a trader of 30 years standing, trying to show newbies how to trade, because if you can't trade yourself, then don't be so arrogant as to show others!!

Hey Lisat,

another long time troll has spoken up finally.
Trading is easy, making real money is not. Have you not learn this from you trading school?

6 days to lose all that I made in 72 days is not a problem with me. Why?
Because, I did not lose my initial account deposit in that 6 days. Capital Protection is one of the feature in THV CaveManager trade manager.

30 years trading taught me many things.
Newbies trade with demo money.
Rookies trade with money from their day jobs.

Which one are you Lisat?

Start showing people here how you trade. Post some charts of your trades, before and after if you like. Don't post only winning trades. They mislead newbies that you are a winning trader.
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #85,757
  • Jan 19, 2018 6:43am Jan 19, 2018 6:43am
Quoting lisat
{quote}Oh dear now you really are deceiving yourself

Oh dear, another one with reading comprehension issues.
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #85,758
  • Jan 19, 2018 6:47am Jan 19, 2018 6:47am
Quoting emmanuel7788
LOL, Did I say I made millions from the market. <snip pathetic ranting>

"when I made my first million dollars from the stock market. "

https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...7#post10573447
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  • #85,759
  • Jan 19, 2018 6:48am Jan 19, 2018 6:48am
Quoting Malony
{quote} Even you should know that your fancy alibi charts have the ma`s on it. It`s called TDI. When you think i cant trade please stop begging me for teaching it to you. I know you are trying to trade priceaction. Thats one reason why you are in the wrong thread and changing charts layout every week to have a alibi to post in the wrong thread. Sure i know about moneyzillas thread and your usually sissylike hiding in there. Nothing new. Only the sissy Emm needs special treatment. All facts clearly pointing to a real big idiot or some kind of affiliate...

Well since you know that thread:

https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=723914

Why don't you take part and show the folks there that you can trade for at least one full year 12 months Jan to Dec 2018.

I invited you in that thread.
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #85,760
  • Jan 19, 2018 6:52am Jan 19, 2018 6:52am
Quoting emmanuel7788
What is the problem losing 30% of a tiny test account of $500?

30% is 30%. Anyone who loses 30% of their account via averaging down (before they remove the TE) clearly can't trade. $500 may be nothing to you (but I suspect otherwise) but it is a poor example to newbies who feel that $500 is a big account to them.

No matter though, anyone who publishes such a newbie mistake ridden TE has no place 'teaching' anything.....unless......you are going to make public you TE that supports your postings here. But you won't.....I asked you nicely why not, and you refuse to answer.
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