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  • #201
  • Jan 9, 2018 11:07pm Jan 9, 2018 11:07pm
Quoting 0toinfinity
take money from the table, 50k isnt a small amount.
It could be a peanut to him.... Otherwise, he wouldn't start this game from the beginning I think..... Again, he knows what he's doing...
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication - Leonardo da Vinci
  • #202
  • Jan 9, 2018 11:15pm Jan 9, 2018 11:15pm
Well yes, and it is interesting to watch it.
  • #203
  • Jan 9, 2018 11:55pm Jan 9, 2018 11:55pm
Quoting heispark
{quote} It could be a peanut to him.... Otherwise, he wouldn't start this game from the beginning I think..... Again, he knows what he's doing...
people, this is a little cent account. you need to learn the basics or get some more experience, or you cant judge correct. you cant really see its a cent account, so many help you by this? its even easy to calculate its a cent account. 50000 are so 500 on the end in best case.

you judge him as good trader without any argument (this you was asked before when you told this sentence without any arguments and facts for this). i dont believe you have learnd your basic for your own. your posts are extrem misleading.
  • #204
  • Jan 10, 2018 12:28am Jan 10, 2018 12:28am
FortFinancial is famously offering lots of cent accounts...
Tickmill's equity is locked up, bet for a reason.

my guess is, it isnt because it is in the millions and supertrader is shy to show it. but if it is less then the other account, or qual, why to be shy about?
rather that it would take the mystery out from the numbers.

because, whatever one thinks or say, it is easier to do wild things on peanut, without emotional attachments.
i had no problem to bring to make 2000%+ on 40$, and i would never dare to trade that way on a 40k account.
those who believe that all trading can be scaled up like that, they just never tried it yet!! (spoiler alert: it isnt working the same!)

so, sure, fun to watch the trading taking large 1000% swings one day to another...
but i lean to that it is a cents account, and those dramatic chances are -well, peanuts - at best couple 100s of $ at most.
something not too dramatic amount for anyone, given trading over 10k or more.
tickmill is likely locked cos that would not display the 50$ equity as 5000$, and subsequently would show that 1000% gain is in fact a mere 500$ when it is looked at.
same same, but different.

why i root for supertrader that he reach 10000% gain, if withdrawal comes and it only amount to what a 10% month worth for me, i wont be that impressed by it.
that is just the true brutally honest nature of the game.
one can count pips.
one can count %.
but one can only take the $$$ to shop from!

happy trading!
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #205
  • Jan 10, 2018 12:58am Jan 10, 2018 12:58am
Quoting profitfarmer
FortFinancial is famously offering lots of cent accounts... Tickmill's equity is locked up, bet for a reason. my guess is, it isnt because it is in the millions and supertrader is shy to show it. but if it is less then the other account, or qual, why to be shy about? rather that it would take the mystery out from the numbers. because, whatever one thinks or say, it is easier to do wild things on peanut, without emotional attachments. i had no problem to bring to make 2000%+ on 40$, and i would never dare to trade that way on a 40k account. those...
its a cent account, it cant be any different, or its a wrong declared demo account.
after he had only 5000 equity left he had 200 lots still in. this would be impossible with a balance same time from 100k and the lower leverage he would got from FortFinancial (as from their website). so only possible way it is a small cent account, no better way possible. thatswhy he can also open so many accounts with this small 50 usd payment and he showes from time to time some cent acconts in big wins, at least enough for impressing some people who dont have bigger experience, this people its impossible to help even when you calculate them whats reality. i did this calculation already some posts ago. so this people should know it already. but they dont read or dont have experience to understand basic math calculation in trading, so they attack more then understanding.
  • #206
  • Jan 10, 2018 4:29am Jan 10, 2018 4:29am
Is it demo, cent, fake history ... don't really care. Fake history? even on Darwinex you can import the history from other account.
I don't really see the reasoning of so many sparks in here ... equity jealousy?
I was never emotionally attached to the account equity, somehow I liked the long trades. A good approach to take home and explore, make more $/% with few # trades.
  • #207
  • Jan 10, 2018 7:06am Jan 10, 2018 7:06am
Quoting aa4fx
Is it demo, cent, fake history ... don't really care. Fake history? even on Darwinex you can import the history from other account. I don't really see the reasoning of so many sparks in here ... equity jealousy? I was never emotionally attached to the account equity, somehow I liked the long trades. A good approach to take home and explore, make more $/% with few # trades.
its a big difference in trading if you have demo,cent, fake history (the 3 you mentioned its even a extrem extrem extrem difference and thatswhy you should care always, because changes anything). and its cent account, so easy. anyone can easy calculate for their own. simple math.

when you open many many cent and demo accounts its near normal result that you will have some with this result.
when you open normal account you have real big win, in demo you have no real win (same like your mentioned fake account), in cent account you have very small real win (100 times less). (or by opening many cent accounts mabye also no win).

you was ever jealouse of equity in someones trading account in forexfactory? i have never seen this fact, would be even funny and maybe possible with some beginners, who dont know the trading basics, so this people dont know by looking at the account, it is impossible to say if this trader is a winner or big loser, when you dont know all his other accounts he has.

but when you was never emotional attached to your equity, did you never trade some big 6 or 7 figur accounts with time? with trading lomger time, most people get emotional attached to what they achieved, not after some day or weeks of course, you need to trade some time.
  • #208
  • Jan 10, 2018 7:24am Jan 10, 2018 7:24am
Quoting dukas_trader
but when you was never emotional attached to your equity, did you never trade some big 6 or 7 figur accounts with time? with trading lomger time, most people get emotional attached to what they achieved, not after some day or weeks of course, you need to trade some time.
a small correction: I was never emotionally attached to SuperTrader9 account equity, somehow I liked the long trades.
  • #209
  • Jan 10, 2018 8:03am Jan 10, 2018 8:03am
Quoting aa4fx
{quote} a small correction: I was never emotionally attached to SuperTrader9 account equity, somehow I liked the long trades.
i was more speaken about emotional attached to your own equity in your account, not to others, others money is unimportant off course always.
  • #210
  • Jan 10, 2018 1:45pm Jan 10, 2018 1:45pm
Quoting 0toinfinity
take money from the table, 50k isnt a small amount.
My trades are not guesses. The trades in general would have a positive and provable statistical edge. The SL, TP, BE, early closure and timing of the trades are not out of a whim. There are reasons behind it.
  • #211
  • Jan 10, 2018 3:08pm Jan 10, 2018 3:08pm
Quoting dukas_trader
to solid snake: what to say to such a loser: the biggest loser until now was "dkrock" with extrem loser talking and big faking experience and his friend maybe too. but you top it really. take some posts of me from this thread, and tell me whats wrong with it, and why it dont help! you cant, you only are attacking because you are second nickname of someone who was detected as cheater/faker/liar some montrhs before, thats near 100% sure, only such a person would be this crazy to write such bullshit. it will not take long, and you will be suspended...

I don’t know why FF won’t revoke your account when all you do is go around different threads and spew rubbish.

I know life sucks for you. You can’t wrap your head around that you will never make it while others are making it happen for them.

You go around spewing rubbish, nonsense all over the place. You poor poor dukas_trader, I’ll suggest you change your name to dukas_loser.

I’ve been told to let you be and ignore you, that you’ve got no way to vent your frustration and bleak outlook on your life.

But I won’t, I want to put you where you belong, which is the trash.
When U allow your emotions to dictate your decisions, U make bad decision
  • #212
  • Jan 10, 2018 3:10pm Jan 10, 2018 3:10pm
Quoting Supertrader9
{quote} My trades are not guesses. The trades in general would have a positive and provable statistical edge. The SL, TP, BE, early closure and timing of the trades are not out of a whim. There are reasons behind it.
So is the Fort Financial a cent account? If not then it seems like a good time to take a 250K profit haha
Here's Tom with the weather.
  • #213
  • Edited 3:30pm Jan 10, 2018 3:18pm | Edited 3:30pm
Quoting OHLC
{quote} So is the Fort Financial a cent account? If not then it seems like a good time to take a 250K profit haha
Yes it is a cent account. Why 250k(2500 usd) when based on statistics you know you can make much more than that?

The account is just to show what can be done. I currently have a problem with capital but in time I wouldn't.
  • #214
  • Jan 10, 2018 3:33pm Jan 10, 2018 3:33pm
Quoting Supertrader9
{quote} Yes it is a cent account. Why 250k(2500 usd) when based on statistics you know you can make much more than that? The account is just to show what can be done. I currently have a problem with capital but in time I wouldn't.
still...withdraw..enjoy some profits..it's good for the mind..
  • #215
  • Jan 10, 2018 3:46pm Jan 10, 2018 3:46pm
Quoting SolidSnake-
{quote} I don’t know why FF won’t revoke your account when all you do is go around different threads and spew rubbish. I know life sucks for you. You can’t wrap your head around that you will never make it while others are making it happen for them. You go around spewing rubbish, nonsense all over the place. You poor poor dukas_trader, I’ll suggest you change your name to dukas_loser. I’ve been told to let you be and ignore you, that you’ve got no way to vent your frustration and bleak outlook on your life. But I won’t, I want to put you where you...
good luck with it boy.

because i iam near 100% correct with what i write, you have some problems with this,

because you only attack, have not 1 (!!!) argument in your many many posts whats i did say wrong, you look really like a idiot. funny to see you write more and more of same style. i start a good psychogram of you, really not bad your start. not one usefull post from you,low ego problems, compensating big frustration in life with attacking, looking like was shown as faker/scammer/liar/cheater with his other nickname before or a connected person,...... all this is already for sure, but we will see what else you will show in next time. at least try to win a discussion, you come here without any weapon (arguments...) and will start a war, this looks funny.

when i tell the truth about some cheater its normal to have such dirt like you often under she shoe, your kind of person was 1 to 1 happened sometimes after exposing some fakers/liars/cheaters and they come to other threads and write their bullshit. all are same kind, no arguemnts, and when bring arguments they are wrong. its a little bit boring that such people are always not the smartest, so a discussion cant bring anything without arguments and they dont see it.

but funny, why you write in this thread here? its only a simple cent account, nothing about faking, what you want to show here?
that you cant read correct, that all write to the topic and you are impossible to bring usefull informations to this.... or whats the problem with you (that you are a cheater or are connected to one or was exposed as very unexperienced and faked big experience is 100% clear, but what is wrong in your life that you cant live with yourself and the fact who you are? whats your problem in life that you need to attack for nothing and feel to small to be yourself, its never to late to learn your basics and dont need to look this low skill level all the time. ).

for me it looks simple; you want to start your fake/cheating other nickname again more, but you know at the moment, when you fake experience and wins again you will again be shown with real facts as liar? and now try to attack me and attack me over and over again? is this your plan? funny stupid. other fakes tried this already with their second nicknames or over friends connected, they did exact what you do, so stupid you are third now with exactly same. at least why not learn something and improve your attacking, that its not so boring for me? or at least try it with arguments, without its like someone attacking you , but attacks with nothing. this is a little bit crazy and make me laugh and steals time, but shows you so stupid same time.
  • #216
  • Edited 5:25pm Jan 10, 2018 4:20pm | Edited 5:25pm
Quoting hilmy83
{quote} still...withdraw..enjoy some profits..it's good for the mind..
The account above is just for the thread, not really for making money. The money there is negligible.

I will be managing account for some people; would certainly withdraw a small portion of the performance fee profit but the bulk of it would be reinvested because it would be foolish not to when you know with a high degree of certainty what the outcome would be.
  • #217
  • Jan 10, 2018 4:31pm Jan 10, 2018 4:31pm
Quoting Supertrader9
{quote} Yes it is a cent account. Why 250k(2500 usd) when based on statistics you know you can make much more than that? The account is just to show what can be done. I currently have a problem with capital but in time I wouldn't.
Thanks for admitting to cent account, finally. Still I think many miss to see the meaning of it....never mind, it is a lesson to learn for some.

Great gains, and indeed, it shows what is possible in theory...theory, as in the moment that deposit is not 50$, and the gains run up not 2400$...
There comes and hit the reality
The reality that return DD is -96%.
All or nothing.
As the previous post I said, once real dollars and not real cents involved, the mentality is/will be rapidly changing, as those not too strong emotions will be coming to play, that attached to real 100k, but lot less so a 1k.
Sure, it can be taken as a show what is possible, also to take the dd to show what is alternatively possible. It will be only a matter of what comes first in your trading.

As Hilmy83 suggested, taking part of the gain and rewarding yourself with something has multiple benefits.
Not the least maybe to have another 50$ handy to re-ride the roller coaster you ride if things come to the sour end.
After all, 2000$+ gain in a month is still a very decent number on whatever equity!!!
Enjoy some!
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #218
  • Jan 10, 2018 4:44pm Jan 10, 2018 4:44pm
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} Thanks for admitting to cent account, finally. Still I think many miss to see the meaning of it....never mind, it is a lesson to learn for some. Great gains, and indeed, it shows what is possible in theory...theory, as in the moment that deposit is not 50$, and the gains run up not 2400$... There comes and hit the reality The reality that return DD is -96%. All or nothing. As the previous post I said, once real dollars and not real cents involved, the mentality is/will be rapidly changing, as those not too strong emotions will be coming...
the leverage with 2000:1 or 1000:1 in cent account with 50 usd is much much higher then the real account with maybe 100k balance and then only 1:33 leverage, so wins will be at least 30 times smaller at minimum (when he has a super run with much luck and no bad trades at all) best cases in this bigger account, only from that you only can take 1:30 trading amount (when you used leverage full before). so cent account are ok for showing whats possible by not caring about anything and dont trade with good trading SL to protect the account, so all or nothing games.
  • #219
  • Jan 10, 2018 4:50pm Jan 10, 2018 4:50pm
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} Thanks for admitting to cent account, finally. Still I think many miss to see the meaning of it....never mind, it is a lesson to learn for some. Great gains, and indeed, it shows what is possible in theory...theory, as in the moment that deposit is not 50$, and the gains run up not 2400$... There comes and hit the reality The reality that return DD is -96%. All or nothing. As the previous post I said, once real dollars and not real cents involved, the mentality is/will be rapidly changing, as those not too strong emotions will be coming...
Nobody asked. When somebody asked whether it is a cent account then I said it is.

If you are guessing then yes emotions will come into play but not if you have a system. As for realistic drawdowns vs gains, divide it by 10. So, 9.6% drawdown for a 300% return(96% drawdown, 3000% return). Pretty good I would say.
  • #220
  • Jan 10, 2018 4:54pm Jan 10, 2018 4:54pm
Quoting Supertrader9
{quote} Nobody asked. When somebody asked whether it is a cent account then I said it is. If you are guessing then yes emotions will come into play but not if you have a system. As for realistic drawdowns vs gains, divide it by 10. So, 9.6% drawdown for a 300% return(96% drawdown, 3000% return). Pretty good I would say.
then you trade really small real accounts. come to the higher equities, and you see that the real game is different. when you have only 30 times less win already with 100k account against the 50 usd cent account, then your calculation will not work with the drawdown / win synchronity. when you only trade very small accounts it may work for some weeks, then again will not work any more.

and this is only by different leverage calculated, there are much more calculations that kick in by bigger accounts.

i hope you traded more then some weeks already and know this fact.
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