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Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} then you trade really small real accounts. come to the higher equities, and you see that the real game is different. when you have only 30 times less win already with 100k account against the 50 usd cent account, then your calculation will not work with the drawdown / win synchronity. when you only trade very small accounts it may work for some weeks, then again will not work any more. and this is only by different leverage calculated, there are much more calculations that kick in by bigger accounts. i hope you traded more then some weeks...
ohhh ... , what stops one in having 100 of 1k accounts? can't on single broker(?) ... there are plenty
if the system is not so sensible over the account type particularities ... why not having a schema of 1000s cent accounts?
Quoting Supertrader9
{quote} Nobody asked. When somebody asked whether it is a cent account then I said it is. If you are guessing then yes emotions will come into play but not if you have a system. As for realistic drawdowns vs gains, divide it by 10. So, 9.6% drawdown for a 300% return(96% drawdown, 3000% return). Pretty good I would say.
Not a guess on emotions, take it as a fact rather.
I don't trade 50$ acct., have some idea what a 50$ loss means to me, and what 500$ means or 5000$ means...they don't scale linear.

Sure, 300% gain and 9.6% loss would be nice....I jus fail to see you will have the discipline to do.
Else you would be doing it!!
For half that gains your money problems would be gone in no time, as investor money would line up, and making 20% a month average would be very lucrative to any trader, even with couple of 100k assets.
Again, it is not a guess, a fact, based on experience.

Nevertheless, all the best!
there is always, always another trade!!
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} Not a guess on emotions, take it as a fact rather. I don't trade 50$ acct., have some idea what a 50$ loss means to me, and what 500$ means or 5000$ means...they don't scale linear. Sure, 300% gain and 9.6% loss would be nice....I jus fail to see you will have the discipline to do. Else you would be doing it!! For half that gains your money problems would be gone in no time, as investor money would line up, and making 20% a month average would be very lucrative to any trader, even with couple of 100k assets. Again, it is not a guess, a fact,...
Thanks. Appreciate the comments.
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} good luck with it boy. because i iam near 100% correct with what i write, you have some problems with this, because you only attack, have not 1 (!!!) argument in your many many posts whats i did say wrong, you look really like a idiot. funny to see you write more and more of same style. i start a good psychogram of you, really not bad your start. not one usefull post from you,low ego problems, compensating big frustration in life with attacking, looking like was shown as faker/scammer/liar/cheater with his other nickname before or a connected...
Don't be a dingbat. Open a thread, contribute something positive to FF, stop being silly. Who's interested in the novel you're writing here. Show me any trade of yours, a screenshot, anything? You've over 1000 posts on FF, all with absolutely no value whatsoever.
When U allow your emotions to dictate your decisions, U make bad decision
Quoting SolidSnake-
{quote} Don't be a dingbat. Open a thread, contribute something positive to FF, stop being silly. Who's interested in the novel you're writing here. Show me any trade of yours, a screenshot, anything? You've over 1000 posts on FF, all with absolutely no value whatsoever.
thats your problem? thats all, thatswhy you attack all the time for nothing, really? i help people, i write correct things, but because i dont show you my trades thatswhy i have no value?
are you really crazy? trades show the smaller people with less money, with need money to follow, want to sell their ideas or strategies or want to impress others.
sorry, that i am not that type and have my reasons why i dont show, and if you would search you would find also in some posts why.

looks like now i am finished with you, you want see my trading and i dont want to show you. unbelieveable easy.
Disappointed to know that this is a cent account, also this is a security breach at FF. normally FF dont allow cent account to go public.

I hope FF admin take note of it.
Quoting 0toinfinity
Disappointed to know that this is a cent account, also this is a security breach at FF. normally FF dont allow cent account to go public. I hope FF admin take note of it.
it's not a security breach. Fort Financial is just a scammy broker. Never trust an unregulated broker. Period.
Past performance does not equate to future performance. Just trade carefully when you handle clients' money next time.
They can sue you if you lose their money.

No one can change the mind of another, be in advice, discouragement or anything.
Only painful lessons can change someone.
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} thats your problem? thats all, thatswhy you attack all the time for nothing, really? i help people, i write correct things, but because i dont show you my trades thatswhy i have no value? are you really crazy? trades show the smaller people with less money, with need money to follow, want to sell their ideas or strategies or want to impress others. sorry, that i am not that type and have my reasons why i dont show, and if you would search you would find also in some posts why. looks like now i am finished with you, you want see my trading...

Shut the heck up, you knucklehead troll. “Smaller people” That’s real big word coming from you, you troll all threads on FF spewing exactly what? ‘zero content’ .

You don’t show trades because you know ‘nada’ . You can’t give what you don’t have. You’ve got absolutely nothing to offer.

Dukas_loser , now run along !!
When U allow your emotions to dictate your decisions, U make bad decision
Quoting SolidSnake-
{quote} Shut the heck up, you knucklehead troll. “Smaller people” That’s real big word coming from you, you troll all threads on FF spewing exactly what? ‘zero content’ . You don’t show trades because you know ‘nada’ . You can’t give what you don’t have. You’ve got absolutely nothing to offer. Dukas_loser , now run along !!
dear little blind snake (a really great name for such a spammer of attacking and faking)

show me some of this "zero content" posts from me in this thread?
i helped the thread owner more then anyone else,showed him his mistakes,..... he looks like he learns trading at the moment and thatswhy dont know differences between small cent account and big account in more detail, so he needs much help and so its normal that his calculations are often with biggermistakes. but when noone corrects his mistakes he cant learn and will not get better and misleading on the end other people.

i did see not any help from you by nothing. its normal with your fake account to attack people, but at least try some not useless posts, so it looks not 100% fake.
Quoting aa4fx
{quote} ohhh ... , what stops one in having 100 of 1k accounts? can't on single broker(?) ... there are plenty if the system is not so sensible over the account type particularities ... why not having a schema of 1000s cent accounts?
maybe possible to do , but:

- you cant do on same broker, because with same trades all in same account and using this much leverage (special over the weekend) , no broker would allow this for bigger ammounts, and all taccounts together would be this bigger amounts , so you need to do it with many brokers
- much work to do, to copy from each broker to broker
- not many brokers have this 1000:1 or 2000:1 leverage, mostly most extrem marketmaker brokers maybe.
- after you make wins you need to put win out and open new accounts again and again to hold this high leverage
- copying trades is often with erros when you do its with 100 or thousaneds of accounts, it will be a pain to manage (different prices from many brokers, brocker problems, copier problems,......)
- ...

normally the goal is to come from copying method from starting learning time away to one big account, not other way.
in theory the copy may work, but in reality can make it extrem difficult, special in this case. when you want alone 1 medium 100k account replace by little 50 usd cent accounts you need 2000 accounts to open and hold. and this only for this 100k.
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} maybe possible to do , but: - you cant do on same broker, because with same trades all in same account and using this much leverage (special over the weekend) , no broker would allow this for bigger ammounts, and all taccounts together would be this bigger amounts , so you need to do it with many brokers - much work to do, to copy from each broker to broker - not many brokers have this 1000:1 or 2000:1 leverage, mostly most extrem marketmaker brokers maybe. - after you make wins you need to put win out and open new accounts again and again...
It might not be easy, it can be easy if well automated. I sort of know what challenges can do to peoples mind.
In this case I say that it can be done in a profitable way due to the trading style, it has a few long trades that minimize the infrastructure losses.

The goal is to make money and that's it. With one account or 1000 accounts, is just a detail.
Quoting aa4fx
{quote} It might not be easy, it can be easy if well automated. I sort of know what challenges can do to peoples mind. In this case I say that it can be done in a profitable way due to the trading style, it has a few long trades that minimize the infrastructure losses. The goal is to make money and that's it. In one account or 1000 accounts, is just a detail.
of course in a extrem difficult way it can be done. but risking so much for doing it this difficult way, why not trading better strategy with less risk and less work?

maybe i am to old for this copy trade days, because i know the many disadvantages i could not go back. but like you did say, all depends from what strategy you trade.
100k is only a simple example, you need 2.000 accounts only for this, do it with 1 mio or 10 mio, then you have 20.000 or 200.000 accounts, it will get insane. and when you trade many years you get to this points , when strategy work in planed ways. i cant imagine alone managing 200.000 accounts, alone the opening would be crazy, but it would be even impossible, because there are not enough brokers outside.
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} of course in a extrem difficult way it can be done. but risking so much for doing it this difficult way, why not trading better strategy with less risk and less work? maybe i am to old for this copy trade days, because i know the many disadvantages i could not go back. but like you did say, all depends from what strategy you trade. 100k is only a simple example, you need 2.000 accounts only for this, do it with 1 mio or 10 mio, then you have 20.000 or 200.000 accounts, it will get insane. and when you trade many years you get to this points...
Limits always appear but solutions too. A simple one is instead of having 50$/acc is to have 100$, 500$...
Is like having an website. Initially you host in shared hosting. Traffic arrive. You take a dedicated server. More traffic arrive. You take more servers. More traffic. Plenty other solutions. Keep on expanding if it is profitable.

It first starts with having a good system that makes money.
Quoting profitfarmer
Tickmill's equity is locked up, bet for a reason.

What do you mean by that?
Quoting available
{quote} What do you mean by that?
i mean that 50$ doesnt show up there as 5000$....and 1k gain wont look like 100k
so, the numbers will impress fewer, then the cent numbers of FFS.
there is always, always another trade!!
Quoting aa4fx
{quote} Limits always appear but solutions too. A simple one is instead of having 50$/acc is to have 100$, 500$... Is like having an website. Initially you host in shared hosting. Traffic arrive. You take a dedicated server. More traffic arrive. You take more servers. More traffic. Plenty other solutions. Keep on expanding if it is profitable. It first starts with having a good system that makes money.
of course you can, i dont say any against.

for me the win from it would be so small and the work behind so much, that its not any near usefull. but in my 2 starting years i also used this and tried such things because i thought the advantage are higher then disadvantages (maybe like all ) and before i learned it the better way, so i cant say anything about it.
Quoting dukas_trader
i learned it the better way, so i cant say anything about it.
Is there a better way? I am getting the feeling from some of your posts that you say that there is a better way, learn to trade the proper way.
Could you share something in this direction?
Quoting aa4fx
{quote} Is there a better way? I am getting the feeling from some of your posts that you say that there is a better way, learn to trade the proper way. Could you share something in this direction?
most people try (with bigger and bigger accounts over time) to put in all in one account or with subaccounts is one good broker, to secure all with instruments out of the broker bankruptcy money, have all the most easy way, get best conditions with prime brokerage, get best commission because of all trades counts for the trading volume,......
you think its to easy to manage 2000 and more accounts each day, but it will be extrem work. and finding so many brokers alone is crazy.even when you start with 200 and get some wins over the years, you will have 2000 or same problem like before, when you let the money in and the leverage will decrease.
copying is good for starters.
Quoting dukas_trader
the leverage with 2000:1 or 1000:1 in cent account with 50 usd is much much higher then the real account with maybe 100k balance and then only 1:33 leverage, so wins will be at least 30 times smaller at minimum
the proof of concept idea of having 2000 cent acc came as a solution of taking advantage of the leverage the cent account has over an 100k acc, 1:2000 / 1:1000 instead of 1:33.

it might not be easy to manage 2000 account but would it be worth it for an idealistically 30 times more profit?
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