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  • #541
  • Jan 8, 2018 1:38am Jan 8, 2018 1:38am
Quoting Albertdkpllh
{quote} Please find attached. {file} {file}
Thank you.
  • #542
  • Jan 8, 2018 2:39am Jan 8, 2018 2:39am
Quoting Rayneke
I have been following this thread for sometime now and I must commend everyone for your wonderful contributions. Al this system is great but it needs a lot of patience and restraint in jumping into trades prematurely. Kudos This is my screenshot of your latest template. it does not look like what you posted Regards Ray {image}

You also need the indicator in post 533...
  • #543
  • Jan 8, 2018 4:26am Jan 8, 2018 4:26am
Hello everyone, I'm glad you started out great again. I found an indicator that could be used to measure the trend: if, for example, you exceed 10 on the downside you go sell if you exceed 10 on the upside it goes long. See if it can serve
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  • #544
  • Edited 5:01am Jan 8, 2018 4:49am | Edited 5:01am
https://i.imgur.com/y3vYYOJ.png
I instead of the stop loss, when I see that the trend is changing through the numbers, I put an order against a draw. If I entered the sell area, when the trend is back in the sell area, I remove the order for protection
  • #545
  • Jan 8, 2018 3:45pm Jan 8, 2018 3:45pm
Stumbled on what turned out to be a very interesting thread, this. Skimmed through couple of first and last pages...(a little too deep for me but I aim to catch-up technically...)

But one thing for sure: you both Albert and Hepsiblah gotta get married to each other fast and I don't care what genders y'all are!

Truly a team you two... poetry in motion
I see Beasts. I drop my scalpel and beckon to theatre nurse: "Charts!&
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  • #546
  • Jan 8, 2018 4:05pm Jan 8, 2018 4:05pm
Quoting surgeon
Stumbled on what turned out to be a very interesting thread, this. Skimmed through couple of first and last pages...(a little too deep for me but I aim to catch-up technically...) But one thing for sure: you both Albert and Hepsiblah gotta get married to each other fast and I don't care what genders y'all are! Truly a team you two... poetry in motion

  • #547
  • Jan 8, 2018 4:51pm Jan 8, 2018 4:51pm
Quoting surgeon
Stumbled on what turned out to be a very interesting thread, this. Skimmed through couple of first and last pages...(a little too deep for me but I aim to catch-up technically...) But one thing for sure: you both Albert and Hepsiblah gotta get married to each other fast and I don't care what genders y'all are! Truly a team you two... poetry in motion
My help is in the name of the Lord who made heaven and earth.
  • #548
  • Jan 9, 2018 12:51am Jan 9, 2018 12:51am
Hi Guys,

After reading the entire thread today, it does seem like the original theory of the ZZ & Sto were the simplest method, and at the time there were claims of 90% win rate or about that.

If that win rate was so good, was there really any reason to continue hunting for extra indicators and methods or confirmations?

Just interested to hear your though on weather you think the new additions have made the system better or worse, easier or harder to trade with.

As always methods and threads change over time, but sometimes the earlier ways turn out to remain the simplest and the best...
Life is like a snickers, its full of nuts!
  • #549
  • Jan 9, 2018 1:30am Jan 9, 2018 1:30am
Quoting firewight
Hi Guys... but sometimes the earlier ways turn out to remain the simplest and the best...
This is an orca system. A killer whale! I only took the Stoch as a refference from it, as already trading the ZZ. But the stoch proposed settings and the correlation with the ZZ settings is simply priceless information!

Always having a problem where to exit. This tread gave me 50% more travels! Combined with my range edge levels? Holy Shit! Still not perfect, but a big relief... Fantastic!
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #550
  • Jan 9, 2018 1:41am Jan 9, 2018 1:41am
Quoting MoneyZilla
{quote} This is an orca system. A killer whale! I only took the Stoch as a refference from it, as already trading the ZZ. But the stoch proposed settings and the correlation with the ZZ settings is simply priceless information! Always having a problem where to exit. This tread gave me 50% more travels! Combined with my range edge levels? Holy Shit! Still not perfect, but a big relief... Fantastic!
That sounds promising!

So are you using correlation with the ZZ & Sto, or are you using the dissimilarity between them?

Any chance of a quick chart pic?

Cheers!
Life is like a snickers, its full of nuts!
  • #551
  • Jan 9, 2018 1:55am Jan 9, 2018 1:55am
Quoting firewight
Hi Guys, After reading the entire thread today, it does seem like the original theory of the ZZ & Sto were the simplest method, and at the time there were claims of 90% win rate or about that. If that win rate was so good, was there really any reason to continue hunting for extra indicators and methods or confirmations? Just interested to hear your though on weather you think the new additions have made the system better or worse, easier or harder to trade with. As always methods and threads change over time, but sometimes the earlier ways turn...
When this idea was first put forward in 2013 it was the most exciting idea for me that I had come across and I spent at least two years of very long days trying to make it work for me.

Simply put, it said that if the stoch made a new HH/LL but price didn't then there was a very high probability (around 90%) that price would continue in that direction and make a new HH/LL.

So, as you say and as most of us who were there at the time thought, here we have the next best thing to the HG.

The difficulty in actually making it profitable is that majority of the time, the dissimilarity (mismatch) is corrected on the next bar or very quickly afterwards and so the room for profit is very small and actually unworkable on small timeframes. And then you have the problem (which is more the meat of this thread) of deciding at what point it has moved too far away and must be deemed a failure. Because you need an awful lot of those 90% tiny profits to make up for a big failure.

I no longer trade this way and have EAs to do my trading for me now but I still love the elegance of the idea and can't quite resist the thought that maybe there is a way to make it profitable
  • #552
  • Jan 9, 2018 2:19am Jan 9, 2018 2:19am
Quoting firewight
{quote} That sounds promising! So are you using correlation with the ZZ & Sto, or are you using the dissimilarity between them? Any chance of a quick chart pic? Cheers!
I am not using any SLs and everything I say makes no sense to the readers here. Why? I never accept a loser. I merge. Flip instead. Average everything. Continue. Never surrender. Drawdown is the price for that kind of behaviour, but with Al's stoch, there is a high probability i will wipe it out. This MF DD, I hate so much! Now, fast flips in the killer range, as a second approach appear to be the solution I am searching over the last two years. The automatic trading cannot wipe out the DD. At least I could not figure it out with the complete automation could handle the no-DD trading...

I cant share charts on that topic mate. I am sorry. I am an asshole... I am fully aware of that fact...
Maadik Hugiis. IQ 69.
  • #553
  • Jan 9, 2018 3:41am Jan 9, 2018 3:41am
https://i.imgur.com/cLoGtlz.pngLong live the new union between the two great myths of this 3d that made me glimpse possibilities unknown to me so far. I do not know if this can be a contribution but I try: when stochastic and zig zag (better if the first time) are both 100 you go long; when stochastic and zig zag are both at zero we go sell because most probably RIDIPINGE. Furthermore, when the stochastic and zigzag are both zero or 100, we most likely have a middle bar.
  • #554
  • Jan 9, 2018 8:19am Jan 9, 2018 8:19am
Quoting Geros
https://i.imgur.com/cLoGtlz.pngLong live the new union between the two great myths of this 3d that made me glimpse possibilities unknown to me so far. I do not know if this can be a contribution but I try: when stochastic and zig zag (better if the first time) are both 100 you go long; when stochastic and zig zag are both at zero we go sell because most probably RIDIPINGE. Furthermore, when the stochastic and zigzag are both zero or 100, we most likely have a middle bar.
Geros,

Does the stoch=100 and zig zag need to occur at the same?

Thanks
  • #555
  • Jan 9, 2018 8:59am Jan 9, 2018 8:59am
Quoting aaven
{quote} Geros, Does the stoch=100 and zig zag need to occur at the same? Thanks
Yes, same.
  • #556
  • Jan 9, 2018 9:01am Jan 9, 2018 9:01am
Quoting Geros
{quote} Yes, same.
Geros,

I meant to ask,

Does the stoch=100 and zig zag need to occur at the same TIME/Occur on the Same Bar?

Thanks
  • #557
  • Jan 9, 2018 9:37am Jan 9, 2018 9:37am
Quoting aaven
{quote} Geros, I meant to ask, Does the stoch=100 and zig zag need to occur at the same TIME/Occur on the Same Bar? Thanks
It is at the same time: both must be 100 or zero. At the moment with this technique I work on TF5m but it's fine on all TFs.
  • #558
  • Jan 9, 2018 9:42am Jan 9, 2018 9:42am
Quoting Geros
{quote} It is at the same time: both must be 100 or zero. At the moment with this technique I work on TF5m but it's fine on all TFs.
So to be clear, your are waiting for both to align on the same candle, and then trade it as a retracement/pullback?
Life is like a snickers, its full of nuts!
  • #559
  • Jan 9, 2018 9:54am Jan 9, 2018 9:54am
Quoting Geros
{quote} It is at the same time: both must be 100 or zero. At the moment with this technique I work on TF5m but it's fine on all TFs.
Thanks Geros...
  • #560
  • Edited 10:39am Jan 9, 2018 9:57am | Edited 10:39am
Quoting firewight
{quote} So to be clear, your are waiting for both to align on the same candle, and then trade it as a retracement/pullback?
Sorry, the concept is simple but it is my English that makes everything difficult. It must be expected that both (stochastic and zig zag) on the same candle are for example zero (here comes the concept of repaint and the concept of middle bars because when the zig zag and the stochastic are both zero even the candle can be the lower for example the last 10 candles: H10)
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