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  • #401
  • Jan 2, 2018 9:18am Jan 2, 2018 9:18am
Outstanding info Parisboy.
  • #402
  • Jan 2, 2018 10:21am Jan 2, 2018 10:21am
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  • #403
  • Jan 2, 2018 1:32pm Jan 2, 2018 1:32pm
Quoting parisboy
the methodology uses mostly 3 Envelopes based on 3 Centered Moving Averages (sometimes 4 ) 256 Time Unit (in brown) 128 Time Unit (ocre) 32 Time Unit in blue this whatever the time unit expressed in minute, hour, day, week or month hereunder : - USDJPY in 24 H / 1 minute - DAX in 24 H / 1 minute - EURUSD in 5 D / 5 minutes - DOW in 24 H / 1 minute {image} {image} {image} {image}
Hello parisboy, Trying to understand these Envelope setting 256, 128 & 32. When I apply these to a 15M chart they are spaced out to the point of almost not being visable. What am I missing? Thank you.
  • #404
  • Jan 2, 2018 1:44pm Jan 2, 2018 1:44pm
Hey Franceboy,

Sorry Parisboy, I wish I could learn your method in an easy way.
Do you have your method in pdf file somewhere?? Could you plz
Explain your method/strategy in easy way, I know no spoon feed,
But little bit more simple, like abc or xyz, lol. Take care.
  • #405
  • Jan 3, 2018 4:53am Jan 3, 2018 4:53am
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  • #406
  • Jan 4, 2018 3:30am Jan 4, 2018 3:30am
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  • #407
  • Jan 4, 2018 3:32am Jan 4, 2018 3:32am
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  • #408
  • Jan 4, 2018 3:45am Jan 4, 2018 3:45am
Let's us remember that for GANN the Angle 45° (1 Price Unit x 1 Time Unit) is the place where Price and Time are balanced
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  • #409
  • Jan 4, 2018 4:01am Jan 4, 2018 4:01am
Quoting parisboy
Let's us remember that for GANN the Angle 45° (1 Price Unit x 1 Time Unit) is the place where Price and Time are balanced {image}
How do you determine what price unit corresponds to one time unit?
  • #410
  • Edited 5:12am Jan 4, 2018 4:40am | Edited 5:12am
Quoting medici
{quote} How do you determine what price unit corresponds to one time unit?
Well Medici I do not on Trading View because I do not know how technically to implement a fixed Time starting point

anyway the Trend Angle Tool is a very useful tool

Even in what I call " a degraded operative condition" - the general case in softwares for "Gann Angles" - you can appreciate with "Angles" :

- Speed
- Acceleration

of Price and their fluctuations

you can also appreciate the Steepness of the Trend

Anyway graphically and roughly :

If you Follow the 45° Angle drawn from the Low of January 2nd at 10.00 and 12740 we are now 72 H after and you can observe that the 45 ° Price cut point is at 12980

so the Price difference is 240 points for 72 H = a little more than 3 points for 1 hour (60 minutes) either 0.05 point / minute

and most often price returns to its average

Then you know right now that :

- You are trading ABOVE the said (1x1) Angle and that it is a Strong Signal
- Trading UNDER this (1x1) Angle will confirm you that the UP Trend weakened
- you will know that when Price will touch again the green 45° angle - Price and Time will be balanced
- you will consider the 45° green Angle as a potential support

in the TradingView technical conditions it is empirical, ..... but it works
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  • #411
  • Jan 4, 2018 5:10am Jan 4, 2018 5:10am
Quoting acetrader
{quote} Hello parisboy, Trying to understand these Envelope setting 256, 128 & 32. When I apply these to a 15M chart they are spaced out to the point of almost not being visable. What am I missing? Thank you.

AceTrader

could you please post a Chart ? and which software do you use ?

sorry for the late answer
  • #412
  • Jan 4, 2018 6:59am Jan 4, 2018 6:59am
Quoting acetrader
{quote} Hello parisboy, Trying to understand these Envelope setting 256, 128 & 32. When I apply these to a 15M chart they are spaced out to the point of almost not being visable. What am I missing? Thank you.
Hi Ace

EURUSD in 15 mn
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  • #413
  • Edited 10:01am Jan 4, 2018 9:50am | Edited 10:01am
Targeting the S&P 500
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  • #414
  • Jan 4, 2018 9:59am Jan 4, 2018 9:59am
You observe the Phase of Transition / Zone of Hesitation between 2 adjacent and successive "Fractal of Price"

a) If we consider the Fractal of Price 0 / 2500 - 1 Octave = 2500 / 8 = 312,5 then Phase of Transition / Hesitation Zone from 2500 to 3750 is 2500 + 312,5 = 2812,5


b) If we consider the Fractal of Price 1250/ 2500 - 1 Octave = 1250 / 8 = 156,25 then Phase of Transition / Hesitation Zone from 1250 to 3750 is 2500 + 156,25 = 2656,25

so we have 2 possible Resistances . Above we go towards 3 750 - obviously not directly

It is a personnal interpretation.

This gives me the illusion to understand something to Price Action movements.
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  • #415
  • Edited 10:39am Jan 4, 2018 10:14am | Edited 10:39am
By the way as the DOW Jones Price Action is at 25.000, you can do exactly the same reasoning by processing the same way just by moving the decimal on the right !

You observe the Phase of Transition / Zone of Hesitation between 2 adjacent and successive "Fractal of Price"

a) If we consider the Fractal of Price 0 / 25 000- 1 Octave = 25 000 / 8 = 3 125 then Phase of Transition / Hesitation Zone from 25 000 to 37 500 is 25 000 + 3 125 = 28 125


b) If we consider the Fractal of Price 12 500/ 25 000 - 1 Octave = 12 500 / 8 = 1562,5 then Phase of Transition / Hesitation Zone from 12 500 to 37 500 is 25 000 + 1562,5 = 26 562,5

so we have 2 possible Resistances . Above we go towards 37 500 - obviously not directly
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  • #416
  • Jan 4, 2018 12:22pm Jan 4, 2018 12:22pm
Quoting parisboy
{quote} Hi Ace EURUSD in 15 mn {image}
Hi parisboy,
When you apply the Envelopes to the chart are you setting a Deviation level on each Envelope?

Thank you for your help.
  • #417
  • Jan 4, 2018 1:06pm Jan 4, 2018 1:06pm
Quoting acetrader
{quote} Hi parisboy, When you apply the Envelopes to the chart are you setting a Deviation level on each Envelope? Thank you for your help.

The Centered Moving Average 32 Time Units also - a "normal one" offsetted 16 units back.

Both Centered Moving Averages 128 and 256 Time Units are ALSO offsetted 16 units back.

Does that mean that the 128 and 256 moving averages are not offset 64 and 128 respectively, but both are offset 16 time units?

this a trick due to necessity NOT something you have to do or replicate

I found this "trick" by chance or hazard due to my unability to program within TradingView the correct representation of the Centered Moving Average 128 and 256 which has to be offsetted 64 and 128.

To be more clear. for you

a) I You have a "script" in the programming language. I first calculated the 32 Moving Average (the blue one) with an offset of 16 points back.This is the correct representation.

b) Then I copied the original 32 Moving Average and modified the period in the parameters and discovered that I could not modify the offset parameter to 64 and 128.

The problem (and weakness) with the 3 Enveloppes system is to calculate and show an "approximation" , a "forecasted" curve between the CUT-OFF point and the last point of the time serie in the data.

For that you can use whatever method you want.
  • #418
  • Jan 4, 2018 1:27pm Jan 4, 2018 1:27pm
Quoting acetrader
{quote} Hi parisboy, When you apply the Envelopes to the chart are you setting a Deviation level on each Envelope? Thank you for your help.

Parisboy I got it now. That is what I was missing. My programming are ZERO too. Now the Envelopes look correct. I use another totally different method to trade, but have always been interest in the works of Gann & Hurst, but have never been able put
discover exactly what their methods where. I have the book Channels& Cycles by Brian Mallard describing Hurst's work.

Thank you for your help.
  • #419
  • Jan 4, 2018 1:50pm Jan 4, 2018 1:50pm
Quoting acetrader
{quote} Parisboy I got it now. That is what I was missing. My programming are ZERO too. Now the Envelopes look correct. I use another totally different method to trade, but have always been interest in the works of Gann & Hurst, but have never been able put discover exactly what their methods where. I have the book Channels& Cycles by Brian Mallard describing Hurst's work. Thank you for your help.
Acetrader it is very simple

hereunder you will find the original chart with the original amplitude parameters and the "correct" offsetted parameters , as we are following the "correct" methodology to calculatre our Centered Moving Averages 32 / 128 / 256 , then our Envelopes by adding and substracting the"correct " amplitude calculated through the Octave
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  • #420
  • Jan 4, 2018 1:53pm Jan 4, 2018 1:53pm
Quoting acetrader
{quote} Parisboy I got it now. That is what I was missing. My programming are ZERO too. Now the Envelopes look correct. I use another totally different method to trade, but have always been interest in the works of Gann & Hurst, but have never been able put discover exactly what their methods where. I have the book Channels& Cycles by Brian Mallard describing Hurst's work. Thank you for your help.
Then you place all 3 Envelopes on the same line - all 3 Envelopes are offsetted back of 16 points (the original offset of the Centered Moving Average 32)
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