The Rabbit Hole

You can shoot a rocket up into space from London, stay still for a bit and NY will reach you, then you just come down and land. Now tell me how can you do that with a big flat earth?

Actually it takes longer going to NY than back and that is because of the Gulf Stream, nothing to do with the rotation. The atmosphere is rotating with the earth, so on a plane it isn't relevant as you are well within that.

And if the oceans heated up enough, why wouldn't they boil? If they boil enough, the water turns to steam. It's not a matter of opinion, it is fact. No different to water in a pan.

I thought you might say that. So by that assumption if it it would be viewed as still from space when it matches the earths speed then that means if it was going the other way it would cover twice the distance ie with the rotation as it is now doing 1300mph. Correct

But the reality is say for travel between NY and London flight time is roughly the same, both ways. you are on a slow moving train travelling at 30 mph. You run from the back to the front at 10mph then you run from the front to the back at 10mph. Both take the same time to complete, however to a passerby it looks like you are moving at 2 different speeds (20mph and 40 mph)
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Jen, I'm the one asking the q's here - you're supposed to know all the answers LOL.

Plse don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say any of that - what I have said is that I have doubts abt ISS and not sure abt global earth bc some of it doesn't add up. Also gravity, even scientists can't seem to agree on that one.

In fact the only thing I have made my mind up about, is that we definitely did not go to the moon,
So if that is the case, maybe some of the other stuff is also BS.
I mean, its not like they never lie to us, is it. And you can do some amazing things with CGI nowadays.
Most ppl's opinions are formed from what they see on the goggle box
Its called TV ''programming'' for a reason.

Ok, you decided NASA is fake, so you deduce from that the earth is probably flat. You're old so I deduce from that you are probably fat, grumpy, incontinent and you dribble. You sit in your chair and fart all day. Fair?

Using your same reasoning, I can argue the earth is square. Prove to me it isn't square and let me pick holes.

Right! As if you have a monopoly on opinions, it's ok to state your own opinion without so much considering another's point of view is exactly what you did, and me pointing that observation out to you all of a sudden I am a fraud with serious issues? Look to your own words and interactions to look at yourself truthfully! Hold fast to your vehement dogma because conflating facts with opinions is not the same as being self deprecating to acknowledge your less than perfect self, but more or less arrogant to know the difference! Be man enough to own your words, you started out this exchange by being the antagonist, not me! Passive aggressive much?

https://youtu.be/KU1xJ7EJq00

We sure are witnessing history in some interesting times. This story begs for paying attention to.

I believe in multiple dimensions that produces multiple realities. Like Matter and Dark matter.

I took this picture from my porch when some years ago living near the cape. This was the last space shuttle launch. It truly was an amazing event, it lit up the entire sky almost equivalent to a morning sunrise. I am not sure I can agree with you about not going to the moon. Go visit the Kennedy Space center, or the Davidson Space center in Huntsville Alabama next time you are in the US, both very enlightening experiences in regards to the History of NASA programs.

Nope, all I am saying is that some of the stuff we are told doesn't pass the smell test

Ok, lets try an experiment.

Imagine if you will - I am sat at the top of the world about 300 miles above the North pole - just sitting there in my space suit floating above the clouds - stationary. not moving just sitting there.

Looking directly west I can see the moon just above the horizon on a parallel line to the equator.. And I've got a magic, LH Oswald, rifle, that can fire bullets at 17000 miles per hour.

Ok now I fire my rifle at the moon, expecting the bullet to hit in a few days time and I just wait.

What happens next? - that damned bullet, without any external forces apart from a lidl bit of gravity whips down to the South pole sling shots round the bottom of the earth and 90 mins after I fired it the effing thing hits me up the arse - can you imagine my surprise???

Ok another q - the earth spins at 1000 mph - why, where does it get all that energy?

The moon doesn't spin but it goes round the earth every 24 hrs how? why doesn't it also spin?

We spent 150bn on getting to the moon and we just destroyed the technology - give me a break.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GH6-BDVWCog

Back down to earth - got this from Miles Franklin this morning.

My original thought was to write further about the left turning on and eating each other. The volume of news, "who" and the timing seemed to indicate something very big coming down. However, another story broke out of the blue this morning from Saudi Arabia that supersedes (though very well may have connections to) the feeding frenzy.

Crowned Prince Mohammed bin Salman had 11 princes and 38 current and former senior officials arrested on corruption and money laundering charges. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-saudi-arrests/future-saudi-king-tightens-grip-on-power-with-arrests-including-prince-alwaleed-idUSKBN1D506P Prince Alwaleed bin Talal being the most notable arrested. The thought process of "why" becomes scattered after the initial and obvious thought MBS is consolidating his power after being named as next in line back in June.

Adding to the confusion is this news of an offer of arms to the Saudis from Donald Trump https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-11-05/trump-tells-king-salman-he-supports-more-saudi-arms-purchases I would also point out I do not believe there is any coincidence at all the move was undertaken in Saudi Arabia at the same time Mr. Trump is arriving in Asia. Of additional note was a surprise tweet from Mr. Trump "lobbying" for the IPO of Aramco to be undertaken on the NYSE (by the way, the Chinese have expressed a 5% interest in this offering). There are other, smaller clues but I think we have enough here to see what may be taking place.

It is my opinion, the Saudis are now triggering a move to accept yuan for oil. Those arrested can be seen as players "with" the deep state and aligned with "Hillary's crew" for a lack of better term. Alwaleed is a major shareholder of Citi and Twitter, a Trump basher and financial supporter of Hillary's campaign. A look at the others arrested show long time support of "the U.S." and the petrodollar. One might think Prince Salman undertook these arrests with a "lean" toward the West, based on who was arrested I highly doubt it but we will soon see. Remember, Prince Salman has recently met with both Mr. Xi and Mr. Putin. Saudi Arabia also announced the purchases of S400 weapons from Russia (I asked at the time if this was not a very bad sign for Saudi Arabia's allegiance to the West?).

I believe Mr. Trump very well may find out a deal is already done and nothing he can do will stop it. I also believe had Hillary been elected, this move would have happened much sooner but we will never know. The next week(s) could be breathtaking. The likely scenario in my opinion will look like this; Saudi Arabia announces they will accept yuan for oil. Mr. Trump will be informed of this, not by the Saudis but likely from the Chinese/Russians. I believe he will be told this deal is already consummated and not to interfere with "trade".

The Chinese and Russians know exactly how crooked and fraudulent the US. has been in business dealings these past years ... they also know of the human horrors (do you remember Mr. Putin calling back ALL Russian school children a while back?) Mr. Trump also knows and can have no rebuttal They and he also know how levered and insolvent the dollar system has become. Whether the Chinese want to move toward an SDR based as some speculate (I don't think so), yuan based or anything else I do not know. What we do know is they have publicly since 2009 said the "dollar system is not fair" and that the reserve currency must be stable ...and that the dollar is not. And remember, the New Silk Road will include and represent over 40% of the world's population, it will only grow from here!

As I mentioned early on in this writing, I do not believe the frenzy of truth bombs where the left is turning on itself is exclusive from the "petro-yuan". The world became fed up with the lack of "rule of law" in the US, this is not new. The fact so many are turning on Hillary et al at the same time means something very meaningful has changed. If I am correct and indictments begin to snowball, the US will publicly be seen as the "swamp" it is. Confidence in anything "American" will be broken, this is especially true for the common stock of the United States ...the dollar!

Internal turmoil and the uncovering of massive fraud and corruption will go hand in hand as cover, or "reason" for a move away from the dollar as the world's settlement tool. This I believe is exactly what China/Russia want and will demand. The U.S./Mr. Trump will not be able to say "trust us" we will fix it. It is too late in too many venues from banking/finance/trade etc. to turn this back. The plan has been laid right before our eyes to see and I believe the plan is now coming together.

Maybe I am wrong and this is not about the petro-yuan? It is about "something" and something VERY VERY BIG! I know of nothing bigger than the status of the reserve currency. As I see it, the only possible response other than acceptance by the U.S. is war? We can only hope and pray war is not our response but should not be bet against.

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Standing a very attentive watch,
Bill Holter
Holter-Sinclair collaboration

Ok then when nasa show us some video of planes looking like they flying backwards due to that effect I'll be happy. It shouldn't be a problem they say they can see all kinds of crap from the ISS.

The man watching the train is stood still. Are satellites still or are they moving?

Here, it doesn't get any simpler than this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gNkgj9h2oM

yes at 0:54 when it goes west it goes a 1000mph minus 100mph...

So cox was doing omph on that basis 650 -650= 0 still hovering..

More on the petro dollar and the common denominator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Emj3eunzE

oh no I forgot they are doing about 25,ooo km/hour if you believe they are up there that is.