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  • #10,901
  • Oct 27, 2017 10:27am Oct 27, 2017 10:27am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Mine is on Italy!
Italy is a good bet. They are refusing to abide by EU demanded changes to their budget.
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  • #10,902
  • Oct 27, 2017 10:35am Oct 27, 2017 10:35am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} . {quote} Vietnam was an unpopular war. If the US had used German style military might the war would have been over quickly. The caveat is whether the USSR would have gotten directly involved.
What gets me about the Vietnam war and subsequent wars that followed, or (skirmishes if you will call them that) is that the US doesn't seem to progress or adapt to the theater very well following the Korean war. Fighting in the jungles in WWII against the Japanese, especially the Marines proved that a lot of lessons were learned in terms of tactics used by the both the aggressors, especially US forces fighting there, why they went into Vietnam trying to fight a conventional war seemed useless and didn't seem to have applied what they learned fighting in the pacific 20 years prior. This I seen with my own eyes during the invasion of Iraq. General Franks had a lot of balls driving an entire convoy on a single highway going into Baghdad and had the enemy figure it out, the entire US force could have been wiped out pretty quickly. My point is, realizing this error on part of our forces gives me the impression that the US military does a lot of stupid shit, and Vietnam (although admitting is was a politicians war was a huge contributing factor for the failures of it, along with the SV government corruption) should have been a very big lesson in US military evolution, but it was not. They always go in to almost every conflict with a sludge hammer mentality.
  • #10,903
  • Oct 27, 2017 10:42am Oct 27, 2017 10:42am
Quoting spzd
{quote} Italy is a good bet. They are refusing to abide by EU demanded changes to their budget.

I agree! Italy is a lot closer to being the next domino falling then most countries protesting the EU's policies, and immigration is on the forefront of that issue right now.
  • #10,904
  • Oct 27, 2017 10:51am Oct 27, 2017 10:51am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} If we follow your theories the bankers benefit from an unstable Euro, especially if they are long USD. The Yen has taken a sharp dive, and Abe has no said anything crazy that I am aware, so something is cooking.
Funny thing about the Yen is it has been in this long hiatus of hibernation for a very long time now. Just look at the EURO/JPY, and AUD/JPY. Yen, in times of panic seems to be a safe haven that likes to wreak havoc at times when most are unsuspecting it to move, and when it does move it is usually in huge volumes and rapidly fast. So yeah, something is definitely cooking! Its is overdue, like a dormant volcano ready to erupt.
  • #10,905
  • Oct 27, 2017 11:27am Oct 27, 2017 11:27am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} What gets me about the Vietnam war and subsequent wars that followed, or (skirmishes if you will call them that) is that the US doesn't seem to progress or adapt to the theater very well following the Korean war. Fighting in the jungles in WWII against the Japanese, especially the Marines proved that a lot of lessons were learned in terms of tactics used by the both the aggressors, especially US forces fighting there, why they went into Vietnam trying to fight a conventional war seemed useless and didn't seem to have applied what they learned...
The US I don't think did what has done to Germany at any point after WWII. I could be wrong, but they leveled Berlin, and did not seem concerned about civ casualties. In the other wars I think we got cute. Especially in the ME. We should have engaged the enemy with the total domination, we have the technology to do that. I do not believe personally that you can fight a "precision" war. It does not seem to work. I think a lot less civilians would have died if we just had thrown the kitchen sink at them like we did Germany and Japan. I am not advocating the use of nuclear power, but we should have used air power to bomb everything moving, and then send ground troops to clean up. That is what we did to Germany. We never set foot in Japan I don't think.

Monday morning armchair hindsight quarterbacking at it's best from me.

Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} I agree! Italy is a lot closer to being the next domino falling then most countries protesting the EU's policies, and immigration is on the forefront of that issue right now.
Italy can't leave. The EU would crush what is left of their economy.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #10,906
  • Oct 27, 2017 11:32am Oct 27, 2017 11:32am
Quoting Gamod
Brexit, Catalan - any bets for next domino?? My money is on Ireland
Brexit isn't going to happen. It won't be allowed to. It will be so smudged it will be effectively staying in the EU, plus more, because we will be "punished" for even daring to try to leave. EU is finished without our money.

The only way that could change is a radical change at the top, or some sort of civil war. So I foresee all hell breaking lose across Europe.
  • #10,907
  • Oct 27, 2017 12:37pm Oct 27, 2017 12:37pm
Quoting Gamod
Brexit, Catalan - any bets for next domino?? My money is on Ireland
Could be Poland, Hugary, Czech ? Their governments appear to be listening to the people and if they are pushed further on the immigration issues I think the people will say it's time to walk.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #10,908
  • Edited 12:55pm Oct 27, 2017 12:44pm | Edited 12:55pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} Brexit isn't going to happen. It won't be allowed to. It will be so smudged it will be effectively staying in the EU, plus more, because we will be "punished" for even daring to try to leave. EU is finished without our money. The only way that could change is a radical change at the top, or some sort of civil war. So I foresee all hell breaking lose across Europe.
I detect a slight change in your optimism. It's hard to be optimistic when you see through the charade.

https://youtu.be/kr8-E8may2Y
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #10,909
  • Oct 27, 2017 2:13pm Oct 27, 2017 2:13pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} Brexit isn't going to happen. It won't be allowed to. It will be so smudged it will be effectively staying in the EU, plus more, because we will be "punished" for even daring to try to leave. EU is finished without our money. The only way that could change is a radical change at the top, or some sort of civil war. So I foresee all hell breaking lose across Europe.
While we have ppl like JRM and Davis/IDS/Farage/Redwood around theres no way they can avoid leaving.

its a done deal - only q is whether we leave with an agreement or revert to WTO.
I think EU is so pig-headed they will never agree a trade deal.
So we revert to WTO rules and our membership just sort of lapses and we don't need to agree anything.

That was the plan all along
In detegere possumus omnes mortui sunt
  • #10,910
  • Oct 27, 2017 2:17pm Oct 27, 2017 2:17pm
Yep We gonna leave and I think EU will regret it more than we will.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32GdEFADy6s
In detegere possumus omnes mortui sunt
  • #10,911
  • Oct 27, 2017 2:20pm Oct 27, 2017 2:20pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} The US I don't think did what has done to Germany at any point after WWII. I could be wrong, but they leveled Berlin, and did not seem concerned about civ casualties. In the other wars I think we got cute. Especially in the ME. We should have engaged the enemy with the total domination, we have the technology to do that. I do not believe personally that you can fight a "precision" war. It does not seem to work. I think a lot less civilians would have died if we just had thrown the kitchen sink at them like we did Germany and Japan. I am...
The only country that can afford to leave is Germany and I think that they might pull the plug soon anyway.
In detegere possumus omnes mortui sunt
  • #10,912
  • Oct 27, 2017 2:22pm Oct 27, 2017 2:22pm
Always did like Chicago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uAUoz7jimg
In detegere possumus omnes mortui sunt
  • #10,913
  • Oct 27, 2017 2:28pm Oct 27, 2017 2:28pm
Song is over for EU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgYudFmmOl4
In detegere possumus omnes mortui sunt
  • #10,914
  • Oct 27, 2017 2:42pm Oct 27, 2017 2:42pm
The best from the best band ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDbAtWpoA6k
In detegere possumus omnes mortui sunt
  • #10,915
  • Oct 27, 2017 2:48pm Oct 27, 2017 2:48pm
Quoting Gamod
{quote} While we have ppl like JRM and Davis/IDS/Farage/Redwood around theres no way they can avoid leaving. its a done deal - only q is whether we leave with an agreement or revert to WTO. I think EU is so pig-headed they will never agree a trade deal. So we revert to WTO rules and our membership just sort of lapses and we don't need to agree anything. That was the plan all along


I think the plan all along is to take it to the wire and somehow we go back to the public to ask "are you sure" ? and then the borderline leavers will opt back in and accept the status quo. The hardcore Brexiters then start to break eggs with big sticks.

https://youtu.be/pu3-ZGbqUyk
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #10,916
  • Oct 27, 2017 4:10pm Oct 27, 2017 4:10pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I detect a slight change in your optimism. It's hard to be optimistic when you see through the charade. https://youtu.be/kr8-E8may2Y
Yep, I was so optimistic when we secured the leave vote. I thought Article 50 would be triggered right away. I felt somewhat peeved that it was May who took over from that spineless loser and I had my doubts about her being a Remainer. But I hoped that I was overreacting and being paranoid. And so it dragged. I was hopeful again when Article 50 was finally actioned because surely that must be it, no going back as we had been told so many times. Wrong again. So on it drags and looking back, I do not think I overreacted at all when I was slightly horrified about May taking the helm. Now with us donating our armed forces to appease the EU, what the hell is next? We would have been better off if we just stayed. See what I mean about being punished? Our useless leaders are just bending over and asking to get f*cked. Or maybe that is the plan. May deliberately lost seats at the GE so she has an excuse for soft Brexit, meaning no Brexit at all and we give them more instead. That is why I now believe it could turn nasty. Civil war here too.
  • #10,917
  • Oct 27, 2017 4:20pm Oct 27, 2017 4:20pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} Yep, I was so optimistic when we secured the leave vote. I thought Article 50 would be triggered right away. I felt somewhat peeved that it was May who took over from that spineless loser and I had my doubts about her being a Remainer. But I hoped that I was overreacting and being paranoid. And so it dragged. I was hopeful again when Article 50 was finally actioned because surely that must be it, no going back as we had been told so many times. Wrong again. So on it drags and looking back, I do not think I overreacted at all when I was slightly...
https://youtu.be/FrBB4A1WH-E
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #10,918
  • Oct 28, 2017 2:56am Oct 28, 2017 2:56am
So they've had those docs for nearly 60 yrs and they decide on the LAST day that there is still something in there too dangerous to release - give me a break.

Is it really surprising there are so many conspiracy theories????

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/cia-fbi-still-stalling-on-jfk-documents-why/
In detegere possumus omnes mortui sunt
  • #10,919
  • Oct 28, 2017 3:16am Oct 28, 2017 3:16am
Maybe they could build a Palestine memorial next door.

https://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2017/10/27/uk-britains-first-ever-holocaust-memorial-to-be-built-in-london/
In detegere possumus omnes mortui sunt
  • #10,920
  • Oct 28, 2017 3:21am Oct 28, 2017 3:21am
Quoting Gamod
{quote} While we have ppl like JRM and Davis/IDS/Farage/Redwood around theres no way they can avoid leaving. its a done deal - only q is whether we leave with an agreement or revert to WTO. I think EU is so pig-headed they will never agree a trade deal. So we revert to WTO rules and our membership just sort of lapses and we don't need to agree anything. That was the plan all along
Nigel has no clout; he's just a mouthpiece. JRM is only a backbencher. The majority of the Cabinet are Remainers. We're being stitched, big time. However, people listen to Nigel and JRM and are going to be getting very angry.
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