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  • #1,132,921
  • Sep 10, 2017 5:11am Sep 10, 2017 5:11am
Quoting MXT
{quote} hey Den , keep up the fight and have a healthy and speedy recovery markets will be always there for you to trade when you're back in good and rock-solid health
Thank you brother! Kind words. Feeling good. Should be checking out from hospital today.
  • #1,132,922
  • Edited 6:29am Sep 10, 2017 5:59am | Edited 6:29am
Quoting bluesoul
{quote} Nice one. If we look at pain and pleasure, these are not real. It's because we have given certain meaning to certain states. Attachment, possession, competition are other diseases which cause suffering. Patience and acceptance are keys in everything. When you start accepting, the natural result is your ego disappears, and when ego disappears then there are chances that you can see what is real, true and factual, but if you do it only to see the real, true and factual. then chances are that you won't be able to see that. because now you have...
yes, clear and crispy.

If we accept pain because we want to change it will not change, we are back to square one.

Once we accept pain without wanted to change it we embrace the pulse of life. Not resistance, no ego, not compulsive thoughts, less mind more presence.

With presence we enter the flow of life and a special energy flourish to join us with the all......

Entering those stages are not easy because our mental patterns will at any opportunity try to drag us down back into unconsciousness...... but once we have a bit of a taste of it then pain will be use as a toll to get back to more presence......with time presence will overcome unconsciousness and transformation will continue his path..

With trading is the same as is with any facet of life.......when greedy, fear, revenge and so on kicks in lets accept them...by accepting emotions they will lose their power over us and as a consequence we will act instead of reacting.
trading is simple but is simple is not easy.
  • #1,132,923
  • Sep 10, 2017 6:34am Sep 10, 2017 6:34am
Quoting ZenNy
{quote} yes, clear and crispy. If we accept pain because we want to change it will not change, we are back to square one. Once we accept pain without wanted to change it we embrace the pulse of life. Not resistance, no ego, not compulsive thoughts, less mind more presence. With presence with enter the flow of life and a special energy flourish to join us with the all. Entering those stages are not easy because our mental patterns will at any opportunity try to drag us down back into unconsciousness...... but once we have a bit of a taste of it then...
Lovely.

So recommended trading books are
The Power of Now
Flight of Eagle
The way of Zen


I have been an occasional trader with many losses. I traded for 2-3 months after every 2-3 years since 2002. It was my dream to become a full-time trader.
In 2013 I decided not to trade until 2021 when I turn 40, as I will have better-refined emotions. after going through a huge crisis and a deep interest in spirituality since childhood opened some doors for me and gave what I was me what I was looking for at 40. I am 36 now and starting as a full-time trader.

Application of above three books in life and trading is my holygrail of life and business.
Holy Grail - Patience and Acceptance
  • #1,132,924
  • Sep 10, 2017 7:01am Sep 10, 2017 7:01am
Quoting bluesoul
{quote} Nice one. If we look at pain and pleasure, these are not real. It's because we have given certain meaning to certain states. Attachment, possession, competition are other diseases which cause suffering. Patience and acceptance are keys in everything. When you start accepting, the natural result is your ego disappears, and when ego disappears then there are chances that you can see what is real, true and factual, but if you do it only to see the real, true and factual. then chances are that you won't be able to see that. because now you have...
Pain and pleasure is what controls you - you do everything for either pain short or long term or pleasure short or long term... it's human nature to evade pain in rhe short term rather than long term...

And disease is just dis - ease in the body. What causes suffering is your choice in the short term that leads to long term pain or short term pain that in the long run leads to pleasure.

Those things you listed aren't disease.
  • #1,132,925
  • Sep 10, 2017 7:04am Sep 10, 2017 7:04am
Quoting Don96
{quote} Pain and pleasure is what controls you - you do everything for either pain short or long term or pleasure short or long term... it's human nature to evade pain in rhe short term rather than long term... And disease is just dis - ease in the body. What causes suffering is your choice in the short term that leads to long term pain or short term pain that in the long run leads to pleasure. Those things you listed aren't disease.
And when you apply the two to trading... people revenge trade because they had some pain and they try to avoid more pain by winning back their losses... most of the time it leads to longer term pain because you just lose...

Trying to get instant pleasure by over leveraging most of the time gives long term pain.

Long term pleasure may have short term pain (not achieving xx% a month straight away) but people don't choose this option... because they don't go so far in the future as it isn't happening at the present time.
  • #1,132,926
  • Sep 10, 2017 7:28am Sep 10, 2017 7:28am
Quoting Don96
{quote} Pain and pleasure is what controls you - you do everything for either pain short or long term or pleasure short or long term... it's human nature to evade pain in rhe short term rather than long term... And disease is just dis - ease in the body. What causes suffering is your choice in the short term that leads to long term pain or short term pain that in the long run leads to pleasure. Those things you listed aren't disease.
Maybe.
Holy Grail - Patience and Acceptance
  • #1,132,927
  • Sep 10, 2017 7:37am Sep 10, 2017 7:37am
Quoting Don96
{quote} And when you apply the two to trading... people revenge trade because they had some pain and they try to avoid more pain by winning back their losses... most of the time it leads to longer term pain because you just lose... Trying to get instant pleasure by over leveraging most of the time gives long term pain. Long term pleasure may have short term pain (not achieving xx% a month straight away) but people don't choose this option... because they don't go so far in the future as it isn't happening at the present time.
What you have mentioned are facts, we have learned it and started believing.
It's all happening here Now.

On the other hand, one doesn't need all this what i have mentioned to become successful in trading. That's what I believe and I am applying it in my life and business.
Holy Grail - Patience and Acceptance
  • #1,132,928
  • Sep 10, 2017 7:43am Sep 10, 2017 7:43am
Quoting bluesoul
{quote} Maybe.
It is, think about it... everything you do is for pain and pleasure.. in order to stop feeling pain you need to link the pain to pleasure and you become happier... More fulfilled...
  • #1,132,929
  • Sep 10, 2017 7:48am Sep 10, 2017 7:48am
Quoting Don96
{quote} It is, think about it... everything you do is for pain and pleasure.. in order to stop feeling pain you need to link the pain to pleasure and you become happier... More fulfilled...
I agree it controls us. Everyone does everything for pain and pleasure.
But truth is its not real.
Holy Grail - Patience and Acceptance
  • #1,132,930
  • Sep 10, 2017 7:52am Sep 10, 2017 7:52am
Quoting bluesoul
{quote} I agree it controls us. Everyone does everything for pain and pleasure. But truth is its not real.
so we are controlled by what?
  • #1,132,931
  • Sep 10, 2017 8:04am Sep 10, 2017 8:04am
Quoting Don96
{quote} so we are controlled by what?
Price Action, of course!
"The fun is in the hunt. Not the kill."
  • #1,132,932
  • Sep 10, 2017 8:06am Sep 10, 2017 8:06am
Quoting Don96
{quote} so we are controlled by what?
Why do You want to be controlled?
Holy Grail - Patience and Acceptance
  • #1,132,933
  • Sep 10, 2017 8:36am Sep 10, 2017 8:36am
Quoting bluesoul
{quote} Why do You want to be controlled?
you have taken the post too literally...

pain and pleasure decide what we do in the near and long term
  • #1,132,934
  • Sep 10, 2017 8:50am Sep 10, 2017 8:50am
Quoting Don96
{quote} you have taken the post too literally... pain and pleasure decide what we do in the near and long term
Maybe.
Cheers man, chose what gives you happiness.
Holy Grail - Patience and Acceptance
  • #1,132,935
  • Sep 10, 2017 9:07am Sep 10, 2017 9:07am
No nuclear test from NK, this could be good to USD. Maybe this turn possible a down move in EURUSD pair
No Pain No Gain. God Bless us!
  • #1,132,936
  • Sep 10, 2017 1:33pm Sep 10, 2017 1:33pm
I personally hope that the reversal of the trend will happen as soon as possible. This situation is ending my patience and calm !!
No Pain No Gain. God Bless us!
  • #1,132,937
  • Sep 10, 2017 1:41pm Sep 10, 2017 1:41pm
Quoting kikoeno
No nuclear test from NK, this could be good to USD. Maybe this turn possible a down move in EURUSD pair
Don't bet on it. "No news is good news". The market won't really say "oh, good, something cataclysmic didn't happen! Time to turn around!"

It may dip, but, it isn't like things are going well now that a missile wasn't fired on Saturday.
"The fun is in the hunt. Not the kill."
  • #1,132,938
  • Sep 10, 2017 1:47pm Sep 10, 2017 1:47pm
Quoting Redeflect
{quote} Don't bet on it. "No news is good news". The market won't really say "oh, good, something cataclysmic didn't happen! Time to turn around!" It may dip, but, it isn't like things are going well now that a missile wasn't fired on Saturday.
I know you're right! I think the very problem is that I'm going against the trend and wanting for everything that the EU really dips deep
No Pain No Gain. God Bless us!
  • #1,132,939
  • Sep 10, 2017 2:12pm Sep 10, 2017 2:12pm
UJ at 108.31

Bastard

Quoting Don96
UJ at 108.31 Bastard {image}
actually, out of the majors, its only AU and NU that have opened higher, fucking great... anyway 2 hours to go, above 0.8069 on AU and im going to get a fucking negative SL.
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  • #1,132,940
  • Sep 10, 2017 2:20pm Sep 10, 2017 2:20pm
Quoting Don96
UJ at 108.31 Bastard {quote} actually, out of the majors, its only AU and NU that have opened higher, fucking great... anyway 2 hours to go, above 0.8069 on AU and im going to get a fucking negative SL. {image}
108.35, is the weekly pivot ,,,,,,,,may dribble back enough you will be alrite when broker opens
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