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  • #6,041
  • Jun 30, 2017 10:39am Jun 30, 2017 10:39am
Quoting Magog
Required fertility rate for population to stay the same: 2.1 Brits: 1.78 UK Somalians: 4.19 UK Afghans: 4.25 UK Pakistanis: 3.82 Importing high birth rate Muslims to replace low birth rate Europeans guarantees our total extinction thiscentury. This ain't rocket science
I blame the work-ethic

If people didn't spend so much time on their careers they'd have more time for a shag!
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #6,042
  • Jun 30, 2017 10:43am Jun 30, 2017 10:43am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} I blame the work-ethic If people didn't spend so much time on their careers they'd have more time for a shag!
The ones working all hours are also the ones least likely to be able to afford to have kids.
  • #6,043
  • Jun 30, 2017 10:45am Jun 30, 2017 10:45am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} That's great Jen. You should notice the discipline helps in their school life too. Just be careful it's not a grabbing organisation who are constantly wanting the kids to grade for the sake of it and of course CASH. Grading is good encouragement for kids but it can be negative if not used/policed wisely. I'll take a look at the content of the vids and give ya my opinion. I should have said in last post you have to be careful and choose this kind of education carefully, some of it might look like the dogs doo dahs but about effective as a...
PM you the link. They're very good.
  • #6,044
  • Jun 30, 2017 10:52am Jun 30, 2017 10:52am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} I blame the work-ethic If people didn't spend so much time on their careers they'd have more time for a shag!
Too busy to ....
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #6,045
  • Edited 11:08am Jun 30, 2017 10:55am | Edited 11:08am
Quoting jen101
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Way to go, Jen!

It will take until the kids are older for them to be able to set aside the fear of a real confrontation and effect sensible defence.
I remember when I was small the most over-riding sensation was the fear of getting hurt, it was a while before I got over it ... probably my first motorbike crash!

edit: ....actually I think it was playing rugby that did it.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #6,046
  • Jun 30, 2017 11:07am Jun 30, 2017 11:07am
Hey ... Smikey !!
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #6,047
  • Jun 30, 2017 11:16am Jun 30, 2017 11:16am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Way to go, Jen! It will take until the kids are older for them to be able to set aside the fear of a real confrontation and effect sensible defence. I remember when I was small the most over-riding sensation was the fear of getting hurt, it was a while before I got over it ... probably my first motorbike crash! edit: ....actually I think it was playing rugby that did it.
The thing about motorbike crashes is that you seem to have a long time to think about what is about to happen to you, as you travel at 70mph on you arse across a busy road wondering will I miss that car or get squished by that truck?
  • #6,048
  • Jun 30, 2017 11:22am Jun 30, 2017 11:22am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} The thing about motorbike crashes is that you seem to have a long time to think about what is about to happen to you, as you travel at 70mph on you arse across a busy road wondering will I miss that car or get squished by that truck?
It is amazing how everything slows down when you are right in it.....
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #6,049
  • Jun 30, 2017 11:25am Jun 30, 2017 11:25am
Tune time yet Jen ?

https://youtu.be/SSR6ZzjDZ94?list=PLuK6flVU_Aj7u1WSY5p5vumSXyvVqufi1
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #6,050
  • Jun 30, 2017 11:29am Jun 30, 2017 11:29am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} The thing about motorbike crashes is that you seem to have a long time to think about what is about to happen to you, as you travel at 70mph on you arse across a busy road wondering will I miss that car or get squished by that truck?
You know what surgeons call motorcyclists?

Organ Donors.
  • #6,051
  • Jun 30, 2017 11:34am Jun 30, 2017 11:34am
Quoting nbfx
{quote} You know what surgeons call motorcyclists? Organ Donors.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #6,052
  • Jun 30, 2017 12:22pm Jun 30, 2017 12:22pm
https://youtu.be/hrsKJ0KUyJw

https://youtu.be/TeZqjZ_kvLY
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #6,053
  • Jun 30, 2017 12:44pm Jun 30, 2017 12:44pm
Quoting Stu Effex
I was undecided about this post as it probably always appears like I only think things should be dealt with physically. It's not the case but we all know how violent the streets are becoming and I think it is better to be prepared. The good thing about what I suggest is if nothing else and you never need to use the skills it is still a great adjunct to other fitness regimes you may have, I think Dev will agree. I recall Ross saying about his worry for his girlfriends safety to and from work etc. This is valid for all of us and our kids/grandkids...
I have known both Stu and Scott few years now. Both are multiple degree black belt instructors with true mental toughness. Would want either, or better yet both by my side if the s**t really hit the fan.
Defending Truth, Capitalism and the US Constitution
  • #6,054
  • Jun 30, 2017 12:45pm Jun 30, 2017 12:45pm
Hey Jim see you popped in this one for you mate if I don't catch ya for the 4th have a good one.

https://youtu.be/yDzKMG0es9Q
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #6,055
  • Jun 30, 2017 12:51pm Jun 30, 2017 12:51pm
Quoting jarhead
{quote} I have known both Stu and Scott few years now. Both are multiple degree black belt instructors with true mental toughness. Would want either, or better yet both by my side if the s**t really hit the fan.

Quick... duck here it comes
https://youtu.be/3NjTE2vpMA8
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #6,056
  • Jun 30, 2017 12:56pm Jun 30, 2017 12:56pm
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} What a very apt description of Cliff's bitch, barkie
My wife, daughter, and son and his wife all have concealed weapons permits. Wife is very competent with a small caliber handgun up to a 38. My daughter is a better marksman than I am with a hand gun, up to and including a military model 1911 colt 45. She pushes me hard at 200 yds with a AR 15 on the range. I have personally trained each in some basic hand to hand and panic operation of a weapon. As Stu has stated, it's crucial for us to teach our family's basic self defense.
Defending Truth, Capitalism and the US Constitution
  • #6,057
  • Edited 1:15pm Jun 30, 2017 12:57pm | Edited 1:15pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Important thing is awareness of your situation and being able to assess fast. In most situations you rarely get that luxury. A lot of stuff on the net is always showing frontal attacks, which is the best scenario, as having someone in front is a luxury. However most times it just doesn't happen that way. My daughter at 8.5 stone can deal with a guy of 16 stone no issue and with a kick so doesn't matter about hips etc you have to be prepared to use it all and deal with going to ground if need be. It's the choice of kick that matters for example...
Q,My daughter at 8.5 stone can deal with a guy of 16 stone no issue and with a kick so doesn't matter about hips etc you have to be prepared to use it all and deal with going to ground if need be.
i'm sorry to sounded pessimistic but i think this may be over confidence on your part maybe she can generate enough power to stop a men if she hits in the right target but as you previously said the odds of someone attacking you face to face are small and on top of that the closer you are the harder it is to get power in kicking someone or punching someone particularly in jens case as she previously said she did some modelling which means she will have narrow shoulders with long arms so her body mechanics will means it's harder to generate punching power close up to someone women's best bet is to make noise run or have a weapon with them and also remember if you can draw blood that's DNA

Q,you have to be prepared to use it all and deal with going to ground if need be
sorry and just to clarify am not recommending to pull guard but if a women is under a consistent attack she will most likely at some point end up on her back

Q, Any woman has the capability of delivering a low turning kick to a mans knee joint and fully dislocating
a old mate of main dislocating his knee climbing over a normal garden fence as he jump over the other side he landed on a water feature and fall awkwardly and his knee cap got dislocate and he was unable to walk or got up. your right it is easy to dislocating a knee but it's still much harder to kick someone knee in then most people think you still need the right angle if someone is rushing at you it hard to make this angle whist still being in the posture/position to generate power and if you miss that kick you will be on your back if your attacker chooses to put you there

Q,realistically a woman doesn't want to go to ground with a man and untrained should never punch
you are right but the odds are that is where she will end up even trained she should not be punching (because she will be unable to knock a fully grown men unconscious) she should be eye gouging biting kicking to the dick and if she has the time or suspicion to get her keys out to try to stab someone with and have 999 dialled into your phone if you have the time also if you have the time and are suspicion of someone call someone on your phone as the attacker will be less likely to commit their attack if they know the person on the phone will be instantly alerted

Q,That goes for men too who aren't used to punching, you will have more success with open hand techniques and stand less chance of breaking your fist or wrist.
you have more chance of getting DNA with punching but really anyone in fear of being attacked particulary a women at a size disadvantage should be using prevention better than cure tactics a women should not be using punching or open hand techniques as a first course of action but punching is still the better option for DNA reasons if you breaking your hand with adrenaline you are still capable of using it for punching

am sorry if i come across as a half empty type of guy but in my opinion women are very unlikely to come out on top vs a normal sized man i know you have posted a pic before of you training or teaching so as you know with fighting it's a case of repeating a action until it becomes a natural movement most people do not have the time to do this and will think they have a technique mastered but the fist time they get punch in the face it all go out the window and on top of this without regular sparring most people have no understanding of distance and angles so even with the correct technique they are unlikely to do significant damage

i'm not trying to be argumentative it's just that in physical confrontations overconfidence is not a good thing there are people that can spent their whole adult life training and i can still knock them unconscious because i have a physical advantage over them i can train my whole life but i would never be able to stop Mike Tyson from raping me my best bet is to kick him in the dick or poke him in the eye or cut him in the hope of it leaving DNA evidence in these type of situations my best bet would always be running away and making as much noise as possible or being ready to call 999 this may not go down well and i'm not trying to cause offence but i'm just trying to be as realistic as possible

my main point is this remember prevention is better than cure if a stranger is going to attack you as they have all the advantages over you at least in their opinion or they would not be attacking you
  • #6,058
  • Jun 30, 2017 1:01pm Jun 30, 2017 1:01pm
Quoting Stu Effex
Hey Jim see you popped in this one for you mate if I don't catch ya for the 4th have a good one. https://youtu.be/yDzKMG0es9Q
Unfortunately, video won't play in the US -- but thanks much mate. Actually first time I will celebrate the 4th for its true meaning in bout 10 years now. Spending with family -- like Scott -- beer (cold) BBQ, pool, fireworks. Y'all have y0'selves a wonderful weekend!
Defending Truth, Capitalism and the US Constitution
  • #6,059
  • Jun 30, 2017 1:17pm Jun 30, 2017 1:17pm
Quoting jarhead
{quote} My wife, daughter, and son and his wife all have concealed weapons permits. Wife is very competent with a small caliber handgun up to a 38. My daughter is a better marksman than I am with a hand gun, up to and including a military model 1911 colt 45. She pushes me hard at 200 yds with a AR 15 on the range. I have personally trained each in some basic hand to hand and panic operation of a weapon. As Stu has stated, it's crucial for us to teach our family's basic self defense.
i wish we was allowed the privilege of guns in the UK
  • #6,060
  • Jun 30, 2017 1:39pm Jun 30, 2017 1:39pm
Quoting Ross88
{quote} Q,My daughter at 8.5 stone can deal with a guy of 16 stone no issue and with a kick so doesn't matter about hips etc you have to be prepared to use it all and deal with going to ground if need be. i'm sorry to sounded pessimistic but i think this may be over confidence on your part maybe she can generate enough power to stop a men if she hits in the right target but as you previously said the odds of someone attacking you face to face are small and on top of that the closer you are the harder it is to get power in kicking someone or punching...
All of that is fine mate. My Daughter has worked the doors and been training many years Ross. I'm not suggesting anyone can go out and do any heroics. What I am saying is appropriate training makes you a different a different ball game to deal with. A side knee kick doesn't have to be that accurate, 3" or 4 " above or below it will still go, no over confidence mate it's fact. I pointed out about the knee purely to illustrate there are weak points that can be taken advantage of. I could give Jen a list a mile long, she will also tell you that my advice to her was best option is run if you can. People who train this can read situations, obviously the kick was an example which is why I said you need to be confident in using everything you can, it wasn't aimed at personal advice that is why I recommend the appropriate training. You've given a few suggestions and yes all valid as on the street anything goes but still maintain there are very few people who can just perform, many freeze and have no clue. You have gone into many situations and for all of them there is something which can be done, again I'm not suggesting anyone can do this stuff but the more you train you have better chance of doing something than someone without training who has never experienced any detrimental type contact. Over confidence doesn't come into it, if you can run you run if you can't it's not about over confidence it's all about having confidence to react, to get you out of the situation, first consideration will not be about DNA trust me, it's about dealing with the situation best way you can. Your talk about distance etc is all valid but again that is training. So just to recap my comment about the kick was because you made reference to a womans hips make it awkward for her to kick and I say to you that is nonsense mate. I think it is fairly obvious in such a short statement there is no way I can cover all aspects of how to deal with every situation merely pointing out it is well advised to train and know that the instructor didn't get his experience from watching Jackie Chan movies.
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