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  • First Post: May 19, 2019 1:21pm May 19, 2019 1:21pm
  •  marecki
  • | Joined Jul 2013 | Status: Member | 122 Posts
Hello forex Folks!

I'd like to share with You my system that I was comming to for many years. I am testing it these days and it gives nices results.
I have not enough time in my life to sit at the computer to trade forex (work, kids, house building), so I constructed this system to set and get back to after week or two (checking the results on my phone during a week).

So here are the main ideas:

1. It is not a typical grid, but has much in common with grid system.
Instead of putting X equal-size orders, triangle system puts orders of biggest size at best prices, and loweste.g.:

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2. In a preliminary version I was putting longest TakeProfits for the best-price orders, and shortest TakeProfits for worst-price orders. eg.:

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3. To calculate position size and take profits for all of orders in a triangle I set: size and tp for minimum and maximum and then I use excel file to calculate others proportionally.

4. As I am trading small but real only money, I use OANDA accounts, but its just because I can trade flexible sizes of orders ( starting from 1 base currency), and what is more important when I calculate such triangle from e.g. (100$ - 1000$) then around twenty orders between them have values like 150$, 650 $ etc. so these are not standard mt4 trade sizes

5. I most often trade this both directions, adjusting size and relative positions of triangles to expected situation on a pair:

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I'll continue in next post. If somebody has some question so far, please ask.
Like I say, it is system I am still working on, but I have already some experience with.
I prefer discussing only about this system in this thread.

Best Regards
Marecki
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  • May 19, 2019 7:36pm May 19, 2019 7:36pm
  •  Merka
  • Joined Jan 2016 | Status: Member | 1,653 Posts | Online Now
It's something new for me and for that didn't understood properly.
When you have time some numerical examples will be appreciated.
Thanks for sharing
 
 
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  • May 20, 2019 10:43am May 20, 2019 10:43am
  •  yaakub
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Senior member | 26 Posts
hi Merecki,

great system, can you please elaborate your system here.
'THE TRUTH THING ABOUT FOREX IS A PATIENCE'
 
 
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  • May 20, 2019 11:20am May 20, 2019 11:20am
  •  JackUlrich
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Sounds pretty good. But I think it's way to dangerous not having stoploss. I mean you can't predict every single move of the Market.
But if have something to say or explain it little bit more - we will be happy get new information.
Thanks
 
 
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  • May 20, 2019 6:40pm May 20, 2019 6:40pm
  •  marecki
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It's something new for me and for that didn't understood properly. When you have time some numerical examples will be appreciated. Thanks for sharing
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Hi Merka,
Let me give You an example. I hope with examples all my writing will be little more clear.
I am looking on GBPJPY at the moment. On H4 it looks to me like preparing for further move down but first a little move up.
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Assuming such moves I am trying to prepare a list of pending orders distributed VERTICALLY much like a red triangle:

Biggest order will be on the top at price around 142.5, let's say sell 800 GBPJPY, TakeProfit 140.7
Smallest order will be in the bottom at price around 137, let's say sell 100 GBPJPY, TakeProfit 136.4

Between those I calculate in a spreadsheet 17 different orders proportionally so it all looks like this in a table:

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And on a chart:

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Below is how it looks in fxTrade after sending all of the orders according to the table

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  • May 20, 2019 6:58pm May 20, 2019 6:58pm
  •  marecki
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Sounds pretty good. But I think it's way to dangerous not having stoploss. I mean you can't predict every single move of the Market. But if have something to say or explain it little bit more - we will be happy get new information. Thanks
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You are totally right JackUlrich.

This system however instead of putting stoplosses on the beginning is accepting all profits and losses after some session is over, e.g.:

I put 400 pending orders -> wait a week or two for them to open and optionally take profits.
After this time:
- some of the orders didn;t open
- some have opened and closed at TP price
- some are open with profit less then TP price
- some are open with loss
I close all of them no matter the result.

The most importand idea lying behind this system is that triangular distribution of orders should make biggest exposure at best prices.
It's also important not to exceed the leverage.

Cheers!
Marecki
 
 
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  • May 20, 2019 7:05pm May 20, 2019 7:05pm
  •  Merka
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{quote} Hi Merka, Let me give You an example. I hope with examples all my writing will be little more clear. I am looking on GBPJPY at the moment. On H4 it looks to me like preparing for further move down but first a little move up. {image} Assuming such moves I am trying to prepare a list of pending orders distributed VERTICALLY much like a red triangle: Biggest order will be on the top at price around 142.5, let's say sell 800 GBPJPY, TakeProfit 140.7 Smallest order will be in the bottom at price around 137, let's say sell 100 GBPJPY, TakeProfit...
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Hi thanks for clarifying.
I have 1 big question.
What about if price don't follow the expected direction? For example price just shoots upwards without going down.
Sometimes we will be completely wrong on our prediction so, in case like that, you just take the lost and move on as probably most of the biggest orders will be opened and will be in loss?
Thanks
 
 
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  • May 20, 2019 7:16pm May 20, 2019 7:16pm
  •  marecki
  • | Joined Jul 2013 | Status: Member | 122 Posts
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{quote} Hi thanks for clarifying. I have 1 big question. What about if price don't follow the expected direction? For example price just shoots upwards without going down. Sometimes we will be completely wrong on our prediction so, in case like that, you just take the lost and move on as probably most of the biggest orders will be opened and will be in loss? Thanks
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True, and recently I have experienced that with GBPAUD.
(What is funny I was expecting a big move, but not that big.)
Normally I accept this loss, because most often other pairs give good result at the same time.

Also above example is one direction triangle only. Normally I put two triangles: upward and dawnward, so this also compensates the risk.

Cheers!
 
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  •  yaakub
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Hello, do mean like this?
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'THE TRUTH THING ABOUT FOREX IS A PATIENCE'
 
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  • May 21, 2019 2:49am May 21, 2019 2:49am
  •  marecki
  • | Joined Jul 2013 | Status: Member | 122 Posts
Quoting yaakub
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Hello, do mean like this?
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Yes, arrows on my drawing are showing lengths of TakeProfits.
I was trying to show that each order has different length of TakeProfit.
 
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  • May 21, 2019 11:54pm May 21, 2019 11:54pm
  •  TudorIoan
  • Joined Dec 2015 | Status: Member | 13,985 Posts
Fantastic, Iggi! How long took you to figure this out?!
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  • May 22, 2019 4:18am May 22, 2019 4:18am
  •  marecki
  • | Joined Jul 2013 | Status: Member | 122 Posts
What might seem boring about this system, is the quantity of orders that needs to be prepared:

In my example in post #5 there are 19 pending orders.
If I did the same also for long orders there would be 36 orders in total to be prepared for one fx pair only.
If I did the same for 5 pairs I would need to prepare 180 pending orders and then close some of them after a week or two...

Seems a lot of work, right?
So here is probably the most exciting thing about the system:

I trade "triangles" directly from EXCEL spreadsheet.
From EXCEL orders are sent to the broker trough API.

So opening and closing dozens of orders is now a matter of few minutes.
 
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  • Edited 5:42am May 23, 2019 5:32am | Edited 5:42am
  •  marecki
  • | Joined Jul 2013 | Status: Member | 122 Posts
Let me show You how looks a proces of trading in this system:

1. I am preparing a set of triangles long and short in one spreadsheet (FORM) controling amount, tp lengths, average prices, etc.

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2. After having the FORM ready I go to SELL spreadsheet and open all of orders that excel prepared based on FORM (approx. 15 seconds of work)

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3. I go to BUY spreadsheet and open all of orders like in point 2 (another 15 sec.).

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Inside SELL and BUY spreadsheets there are green fields - this is a feedback from broker's server. If there is an error the field turns into red and gives the details of error.

My current excel file is not yet ready to be shared due to my accounts credentials and passwords implemented, by my idea is to prepare totally new excel file from a scratch in this thread, so anybody who downloads knows how it is constructed.

I can guess that for persons that doesn't know the method very well, above spreadsheets are totally unclear.
 
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  • May 23, 2019 6:12am May 23, 2019 6:12am
  •  Merka
  • Joined Jan 2016 | Status: Member | 1,653 Posts | Online Now
Thanks for sharing your system
 
 
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  • May 24, 2019 12:13am May 24, 2019 12:13am
  •  sam68
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Oct 2015 | 245 Posts
Intersting and subscribed,
Hope one of our coders jump in soon
Best of luck and green pips for all
What goes up will come down...
 
 
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  • May 24, 2019 8:47am May 24, 2019 8:47am
  •  kaixinjili
  • | Joined Dec 2012 | Status: Member | 90 Posts
Did you understand your strategy, can you elaborate?
Thank you!
 
 
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  • May 24, 2019 4:13pm May 24, 2019 4:13pm
  •  zotium
  • | Joined Feb 2019 | Status: Member | 29 Posts
Hi Marecki,

Thanks for sharing your system. At first, after reading the subject I thought it was about hedging 3 pairs in a triangle like Long EURUSD Long USDJPY Short EURJPY.

Yours is a very interesting system and the first time I came across something like this. Not that I frequent the forums, but we learn something new every day.

I would be very interested to see what your equity curve looks like, and the maximum adverse excursion on your trades. Do you have this system on Myfxbook or something similar?
 
 
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  • May 24, 2019 5:18pm May 24, 2019 5:18pm
  •  LDFX
  • Joined Jul 2012 | Status: Member | 970 Posts
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Hello forex Folks! I'd like to share with You my system that I was comming to for many years. I am testing it these days and it gives nices results. I have not enough time in my life to sit at the computer to trade forex (work, kids, house building), so I constructed this system to set and get back to after week or two (checking the results on my phone during a week). So here are the main ideas: 1. It is not a typical grid, but has much in common with grid system. Instead of putting X equal-size orders, triangle system puts orders of biggest size...
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For many years yet no stop loss ? Where is your Trend Explorer ?

Do you really think a kind of triangle way to enter wouldn’t prevent you from losses ?

I can agree that perhaps you have a way to enter the market, but without a way to exit the market, it is totally useless.

And I am speaking about stop loss.

Otherwise anyone can do it, no skill involved.
LDFX Trading Ltd
 
 
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  • May 24, 2019 5:27pm May 24, 2019 5:27pm
  •  LDFX
  • Joined Jul 2012 | Status: Member | 970 Posts
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Hi Marecki, Thanks for sharing your system. At first, after reading the subject I thought it was about hedging 3 pairs in a triangle like Long EURUSD Long USDJPY Short EURJPY. Yours is a very interesting system and the first time I came across something like this. Not that I frequent the forums, but we learn something new every day. I would be very interested to see what your equity curve looks like, and the maximum adverse excursion on your trades. Do you have this system on Myfxbook or something similar?
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Yes, a Trend Explorer would be interesting to see, but I guess you will never see one.
LDFX Trading Ltd
 
 
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  • May 24, 2019 7:09pm May 24, 2019 7:09pm
  •  marecki
  • | Joined Jul 2013 | Status: Member | 122 Posts
Before continuing let me welcome You in this thread!

sam 68: thank You for Your interest, I hope You'll enjoy it!

kaixinjili: Yes I did, I am now testing it in more advance scope. I think there will be time to start simple and make it more advanced after.

zotium: Actually You're not that wrong. In this strategy we will be trading few pairs at the same time, sometimes hedging like in Your example.

LDFX: This thread is not to argue or to prove something to anybody. Let's keep this thread as a place for constructive discussion. Like I said on the beginning, I was (I am) developing this system based on my experience, also on my mistakes.
I think implementing a trade explorer is a good idea for further posts, please don't be sceptic.

Actually LDFX You touched a very good points in Your post #18:

"Do you really think a kind of triangle way to enter wouldn’t prevent you from losses ?"
NO. Losses are actually a part of this system. The aim is to keep total losses lower than total profits at the end of a session.
Or if we don't achieve it in session or two we need to improve in next sessions.

"I can agree that perhaps you have a way to enter the market, but without a way to exit the market, it is totally useless."
This system is also about exiting the market. At the beginning of my system development I used triangles to enter the market, as You wrote.
After some time of such trading naturally came the idea : "why not use triangles to exit ? " Now I am doing so. This is however more advanced so I'll describe it later.

Regards!
 
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