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  • #2,301
  • Mar 31, 2015 10:09am Mar 31, 2015 10:09am
idea with trading with crsi trigger for MGT 1.1

about crsi https://www.tradingview.com/stock-ch...RSI_%28CRSI%29
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  • #2,302
  • Mar 31, 2015 10:11am Mar 31, 2015 10:11am
Quoting SkyzerFX
{quote} Billy, can you point to that thread please? Cannot find that info, thanks. P.S Speaking about MGT Trend Indy. While trend for GBPUSD was showing down 56% , pair jump up almost 100 pips Not sure if that indy is reliable, IMHO.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=509195
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  • #2,303
  • Mar 31, 2015 10:11am Mar 31, 2015 10:11am
Quoting SputnikX
{quote} Interesting, BillYon! So you are trading the boxes in the direction of the trend given by MGT?

exactly
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  • #2,304
  • Mar 31, 2015 11:09am Mar 31, 2015 11:09am
Quoting SkyzerFX
{quote} Billy, can you point to that thread please? Cannot find that info, thanks. P.S Speaking about MGT Trend Indy. While trend for GBPUSD was showing down 56% , pair jump up almost 100 pips Not sure if that indy is reliable, IMHO.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...52#post7956652

It's all in how and why you choose your settings
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  • #2,305
  • Mar 31, 2015 11:18am Mar 31, 2015 11:18am
Quoting BillYon
{quote} exactly
Interesting ideas BillYon. I was playing with rossbot the other day, but wasnt able to make her sing...well. I was wondering if the grid could be somehow combined with renko. Sounds interesting and i wonder if it may smooth the ride.

The problem that you have described above, accounts blown before the trend shift kicks in...its a problem. The ea has two multipliers. One if for normal trading, other when it finds itself in a hole and has to dig out. Now, it wont switch to the other multi before the trend changes according to the indi. (everything i write is speculation)
Now, the thing is that up to this point, by default we have been using linear lots. I am unsure of how to fix the issue you described other than capitalization. The reason i am suggesting setting of 1.1 or 1.2 is because they are relatively mild, but might give the kick, at least statistically for the majority of situations. Hopefully, GTs break even mode kicks in and saves the day.

What i have been playing with is trying to run 2 setups in parallel. One with a regular buy(with the test platform), other using its inverse. So you have one buying, other selling. Sort of similar of what you have done with 1.0 and 1.1 . I dont have 1.0, so i had to improvise. The idea is to learn and test.
The results have been rather good, until the music stops. But i worked out a reasonable workaround by implementing a stop all trades at 5% free margin. Now, if i use 1000$, on the setup, when it stops, i only lose 150$, and the ea makes that up within a few days. His "brother" makes the profits, all are happy.
The bad, it might hit two within the same week. The ugly - not for the faint hearted, especially with real $.

Best, Josh
  • #2,306
  • Mar 31, 2015 11:50am Mar 31, 2015 11:50am
Quoting JoshuaHope
{quote} Interesting ideas BillYon. I was playing with rossbot the other day, but wasnt able to make her sing...well. I was wondering if the grid could be somehow combined with renko. Sounds interesting and i wonder if it may smooth the ride. The problem that you have described above, accounts blown before the trend shift kicks in...its a problem. The ea has two multipliers. One if for normal trading, other when it finds itself in a hole and has to dig out. Now, it wont switch to the other multi before the trend changes according to the...

Yeah, that is a problem. I see what you mean.

Yes I experienced the 2 in a week 50% loss and dig out when testing max DD. Not healthy on the body at all...LOL
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  • #2,307
  • Mar 31, 2015 11:54am Mar 31, 2015 11:54am
The day that the server is disconnected ....... there will be taking tendencies.

Hopefully never be death. We will never know the formula, mystery .....
  • #2,308
  • Mar 31, 2015 11:58am Mar 31, 2015 11:58am
Quoting BillYon
{quote} Yeah, that is a problem. I see what you mean. Yes I experienced the 2 in a week 50% loss and dig out when testing max DD. Not healthy on the body at all...LOL

That has a solution .... 5 open trades and we have declared a change of definite trend .... Close operations and reinstall the adviser in the TF m1
  • #2,309
  • Mar 31, 2015 12:06pm Mar 31, 2015 12:06pm
Here a turnaround and Matrix operations hill and opened breakeven operation in the correct trend
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  • #2,310
  • Mar 31, 2015 3:11pm Mar 31, 2015 3:11pm
Quoting eurotrading
Here a turnaround and Matrix operations hill and opened breakeven operation in the correct trend {image}
Interesting. So, you are suggesting that if you have trades open when a trend shifts, restart the EA and it will restart its BE in the correct trend.
Calls for some testing. Also, you must be running a hedge enabled account for that to work. Nice.

Best, Josh
  • #2,311
  • Apr 1, 2015 2:30am Apr 1, 2015 2:30am
Quoting JoshuaHope
{quote} Interesting. So, you are suggesting that if you have trades open when a trend shifts, restart the EA and it will restart its BE in the correct trend. Calls for some testing. Also, you must be running a hedge enabled account for that to work. Nice. Best, Josh

hello

I mean:

1 Matrix Sometimes, when there is a change in trend according indicator Matrix switching operation effected according to the new trend (but does not always, as you can see in this picture.

2 And when it does, so all that remains to us, close all open trades. And reload Matrix in TF M1.

I remember I had videos in this post in relation to changes in trend

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...02#post7984202


regards
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  • #2,312
  • Apr 1, 2015 2:44am Apr 1, 2015 2:44am
Quoting eurotrading
{quote} hello I mean: 1 Matrix Sometimes, when there is a change in trend according indicator Matrix switching operation effected according to the new trend (but does not always, as you can see in this picture. 2 And when it does, so all that remains to us, close all open trades. And reload Matrix in TF M1. I remember I had videos in this post in relation to changes in trend http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...02#post7984202 regards {image}

You misunderstand how this function works...
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  • #2,313
  • Apr 1, 2015 4:08am Apr 1, 2015 4:08am
Quoting BillYon
{quote} You misunderstand how this function works...

I do not understand is because ........? sometimes if you do and sometimes not
  • #2,314
  • Apr 1, 2015 4:11am Apr 1, 2015 4:11am
It was also talk of being able to create coverage using magic number two in the same tf matrix m1.

Why not use two accounts .....

An account lest say main and a second account for the moments where the trend turns ?????

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  • #2,315
  • Apr 1, 2015 4:29am Apr 1, 2015 4:29am
Quoting eurotrading
{quote} I do not understand is because ........? sometimes if you do and sometimes not


Closing all trades at trend change will eventually kill the account.

The trend change indication is not designed to the change the directions of new orders. You will effectively remain in the old trend's direction until those positions are closed out by the dynamic target price. By using the multi lot at trend change option you can quicken this process by causing the target to come close to price by the martingale function of such. The video shows this in action.

The real problem as stated is that if you are already in deep DD you surely don't want to increase position size just to quicken the exit. This will seriously give you heart troubles if real money is being risked.

That's why hedge and other ideas are being tested.

What to do at trend reversal is always the big ordeal with many systems. Get that mastered and we are rolling in dough very soon!!!

The idea imbeded in matrix is excellent. Just got to pull back and be realistic on lot size per capital.
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  • #2,316
  • Apr 1, 2015 4:33am Apr 1, 2015 4:33am
Quoting eurotrading
It was also talk of being able to create coverage using magic number two in the same tf matrix m1. Why not use two accounts ..... An account lest say main and a second account for the moments where the trend turns ????? regards

You are joking right?

Read the thread. It's all been discussed MULTIPLE times...
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  • #2,317
  • Apr 1, 2015 4:48am Apr 1, 2015 4:48am
Quoting theXfiles
..? {image}
sanka u dead?
its gonna die eventually. its a waste of time going forward. concentrate on winning percentage. only this.
keep on
  • #2,318
  • Apr 1, 2015 5:12am Apr 1, 2015 5:12am
Quoting BillYon
{quote} Closing all trades at trend change will eventually kill the account. The trend change indication is not designed to the change the directions of new orders. You will effectively remain in the old trend's direction until those positions are closed out by the dynamic target price. By using the multi lot at trend change option you can quicken this process by causing the target to come close to price by the martingale function of such. The video shows this in action. The real problem as stated is that if you are already in deep DD you surely...
True BillYon. Account capitalization is crucial. But the question that is somewhat difficult to answer, is how much , assuming we use a multiplier... I think we can agree that for running default ea settings with .01 lot, 500$ is the bare minimum. 1k to be "safe". As proposed, we should run 3 setups(or however many) for testing side by side for a while. Then watch the show once it hits a bump in the road. Then compare survivability vs profitability vs other factors.
Again, if this was back testable, it would be much easier to do...but the aim should be to run it so that it statistically can survive most ordeals. Hopefully, the idea is that the EA can make the initial capital somewhat quick, take profits, as i described earlier.

Best, Josh
  • #2,319
  • Apr 1, 2015 6:14am Apr 1, 2015 6:14am
Quoting JoshuaHope
{quote} True BillYon. Account capitalization is crucial. But the question that is somewhat difficult to answer, is how much , assuming we use a multiplier... I think we can agree that for running default ea settings with .01 lot, 500$ is the bare minimum. 1k to be "safe". As proposed, we should run 3 setups(or however many) for testing side by side for a while. Then watch the show once it hits a bump in the road. Then compare survivability vs profitability vs other factors. Again, if this was back testable, it would be much easier to do...but the...
Let's do it...


My capital ideas were always based on analyzing backtest results on 1.0

But I tend to use tight grids so...

I have yet to default because I wanted to understand the internals if I was to take it live, but there are other ways to capitalize on a great ea as a tool, or for contest and such.

Just let us know the kickoff date
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  • #2,320
  • Apr 1, 2015 7:11am Apr 1, 2015 7:11am
HI
So 33 days ago did open a demo account of $ 3000 on 0.02 with the 6 currencies mentioned was going very very good until 12 days ago a very big drawn down of $ 1200 grr so did off all then wait and wait 2 days ago all go back to normal with profit also do stop the EA when his very big announcement today after 33 days my balance his $ 5040 not bad doing nothing.
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