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  • Mar 24, 2011 11:24pm Mar 24, 2011 11:24pm
  •  2+2=4ex
  • Joined Mar 2009 | Status: Trader | 6,418 Posts
Quoting cgrey
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I never stop looking for patterns... It's what got me on the USD/CHF and EUR/JPY discoveries. USD/CHF has had 5 straight winners since I posted about it. I get bored when a month ends early for me, and that's when I start looking for stuff like this.

If you're still looking for an answer, it's no... I am still looking at 08:00GMT compared to 00:00GMT. Daylight time in London doesn't change until this weekend, so yes, for the past 3 weeks since we rolled our clocks forward, the trading time has been 4am locally (as opposed to 3am), but that's still...
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Ok, thanks.
 
 
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  • Mar 25, 2011 5:16am Mar 25, 2011 5:16am
  •  erwal
  • | Joined May 2009 | Status: Member | 70 Posts
What I love about this method is how quickly it recovers with one good trade.

+56 pips win today, which brought the account back from its low of -14.36% to -8.36%.

Another couple of those before the month ends next week, could make this a positive month after all.
 
 
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  • Mar 25, 2011 6:13am Mar 25, 2011 6:13am
  •  Rasi
  • | Joined Feb 2011 | Status: Member | 169 Posts
The point to bear in mind that Japan does not have day light savings. The Tokyo's trading sessions are from 09:00am (+9 hrs GMT) to 11:00am and from 12:30pm to 3:00pm. Therefore:

During normal times

0:00 GMT (London local time) means 9:00 a.m in Tokyo (market open time)

Our rules mean we compare Tokyo open to London open (8:00 GMT)

During day light saving times

0:00 GMT+1 (London local time) means 8.00 a.m in Tokyo.

If we just keep to the rule, we are not going to compare like with like and miss the effect of Tokyo opening. Maybe we should consider using the 1:00 (London local time) candle to trade. What others think?

As for today, nice result even though I left some money on the table using my modified rules. I hope we get many more trades like this .

Ticket : 9842321
Market Name : X GBP/USD Rolling Daily
Stake :4
Action : Buy
Price : 1.60762
Market Expiry : 5/11/2014 21:00:00
Trade Executed : 25/3/2011 09:06:12

The above trade has closed/part closed the following positions:
This position was closed :

Trade No : 9841447
Market Name : X GBP/USD Rolling Daily
Created : 25/3/2011 08:05:13
Amount : 4
Action : Sell
Price : 1.61151
P/L : 155.60 (GBP)
Total Profit/Loss : 155.60 (GBP

Happy trading,

Joel
 
 
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  • Mar 25, 2011 6:54am Mar 25, 2011 6:54am
  •  roundrock
  • | Joined Feb 2010 | Status: J16 Student | 902 Posts
70 pips profit today !!!!! big big day after heavy losses
 
 
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  • Mar 25, 2011 3:55pm Mar 25, 2011 3:55pm
  •  GEOFFREY62
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: GEOFFREY62 | 184 Posts
Hi Guys
Just a summary of my trades as at end of third week in march. As you will know from my previous posts I trade the 8am gmt candle as per. cgrey, but I use a small real money account which after febs. trades stood at $1109. 5% risk on daily balance, 20pip stop. do not use gap filter.

Trades.
1 -20
2+18
3+03
4+44
So at this point had reached my +10% of starting balance for the month
Cooda stopped at this point
Shooda stopped at this point
Wooda stopped at this point ...... but greeed said hello what if?
5+41
6+5
Over 20% of starting balance at this point
Cooda......
Shooda....
Wooda.....
7-8
8-20
9+20
10+29
11+6
12-20
13-20
14-20
15-6
16-20
17-6
At this point was back to about $1163 for the month but still nowhere near any drawdown from starting months balance.
18+13
19+57
So back up to about +24% or so on start balance , all in all I would say this is so far, a very good month for this method.
Four trading days left in the month
Cooda...
Shooda.....
Wooda......
Have a good weekend all, regards to cgrey for finding this.
Geoff
 
 
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  • Mar 25, 2011 4:07pm Mar 25, 2011 4:07pm
  •  GEOFFREY62
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: GEOFFREY62 | 184 Posts
Meant to mention in my last post, we start british summer time here in uk as of midnight sat. So on monday london will have been open for an hour by the time 8amgmt candle starts . Ishall however stick to
original 8am gmt candle rules in my live account which cgrey backtested for us. I wiil open demo and trade this on market open to see at end of april how this stacks up against original and let you all know.
Geoff
 
 
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  • Mar 25, 2011 4:10pm Mar 25, 2011 4:10pm
  •  cgrey
  • | Joined Aug 2007 | Status: Member | 687 Posts
Quoting GEOFFREY62
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Hi Guys
Just a summary of my trades as at end of third week in march...
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Great stuff, Geoff. Congrats on a solid month.

I'm still down a good bit, but with four trading days to go, I'm hoping we get back to B/E for the month, at least. We'll see....
 
 
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  • Mar 25, 2011 4:21pm Mar 25, 2011 4:21pm
  •  GEOFFREY62
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: GEOFFREY62 | 184 Posts
Hi Cgrey
Just one small drawdown on very first day so good month up till now, dont seem to be having same results as you though on USD/CHF trades, maybe its different brokers or something but mine are not as good as yours.
Have a good weekend
Geoff
 
 
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  • Mar 25, 2011 4:29pm Mar 25, 2011 4:29pm
  •  cgrey
  • | Joined Aug 2007 | Status: Member | 687 Posts
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Hi Cgrey
Just one small drawdown on very first day so good month up till now, dont seem to be having same results as you though on USD/CHF trades, maybe its different brokers or something but mine are not as good as yours.
Have a good weekend
Geoff
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Not sure if you're trading the USD/CHF by the same rules as GBP/USD.... They're different (see here: http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...&postcount=597)

So far:

3/14 - +0.6%
3/17 - +0.3%
3/18 - +0.9%
3/22 - +1.6%
3/23 - +2.4%
3/24 - +0.1%
3/25 - +0.3%

1% risk per trade.
 
 
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  • Mar 25, 2011 5:13pm Mar 25, 2011 5:13pm
  •  GEOFFREY62
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: GEOFFREY62 | 184 Posts
Trading with new rules just like you , maybe my broker is a few pips different to yours.
Geoff
 
 
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  • Mar 25, 2011 5:38pm Mar 25, 2011 5:38pm
  •  2+2=4ex
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Alright! Everyone's come back for a little get together. I can't help but picture everyone hanging around with group tee-shirts under a banner like cgrey once joked about. Hahaha.

Wondering why both you guys (Geoffrey and cgrey) are having such different results on both strategies (GU & USD/CHF)? You may be trading off different candles. I know GMT is same everywhere, but maybe different broker?

Anyway, have a great weekend everyone.
 
 
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  • Mar 30, 2011 3:30pm Mar 30, 2011 3:30pm
  •  2+2=4ex
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Where's this thing at with one trade left for the month?
 
 
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  • Mar 30, 2011 8:56pm Mar 30, 2011 8:56pm
  •  cgrey
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Where's this thing at with one trade left for the month?
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Tough month. I'm down 19%. Three trades (all winners) were filtered out by the 9-pip rule, so those not using that are in a little better shape.

I've been updating post 1 (http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...23&postcount=1) daily, and will continue to do so for those playing along at home.
 
 
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  • Mar 30, 2011 9:41pm Mar 30, 2011 9:41pm
  •  roundrock
  • | Joined Feb 2010 | Status: J16 Student | 902 Posts
Quoting cgrey
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Tough month. I'm down 19%. Three trades (all winners) were filtered out by the 9-pip rule, so those not using that are in a little better shape.

I've been updating post 1 (http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...23&postcount=1) daily, and will continue to do so for those playing along at home.
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yes its a tough month. lots of stops hit and there was one big 72 pips profit last week, other wise it could have been more worse

i started demo on UC, EJ also
 
 
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  • Mar 31, 2011 7:00am Mar 31, 2011 7:00am
  •  erwal
  • | Joined May 2009 | Status: Member | 70 Posts
Tough month indeed. -14.12% down for me, ignoring the 9 pip rule.

Yesterday's trade (30th) was interesting because since the change last weekend to BST in the UK, I have been comparing the 8am (UK) candle to the midnight (UK) candle. If the comparison candle had stayed at midnight GMT (ie 11pm UK), yesterday would have been a win instead of a loss.

Have others using this system adjusted their trading hours? I can see the sense in changing the 8am candle to coincide with the London open, but I'm not about changing the comparison midnight candle?

I would love to add the UC and UJ systems to this next month, but unless there is an EA to place the trades automatically, I won't be able to

Anyone know of an EA which I can use to straddle the relevant candles?

Cheers
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  • Mar 31, 2011 7:46am Mar 31, 2011 7:46am
  •  Rasi
  • | Joined Feb 2011 | Status: Member | 169 Posts
Hi erwal, it nice to see you using the spreadsheet I created!. I fully agree that March was not a good month for this strategy per se. However, I achieved much better results trading this manually and by amending some of the rules along the way.

The hours++ spent trading this live this month (and part of last month) helped me modify some of the rules for trade. I am willing to share here my amended rules and the results for March based on those rules if cgrey allows me to do so. As you can appreciate, it is cgrey's thread and I do not want to hijack it with my thoughts. It is possible cgrey himself may have already come up with some amendments to his rules.

I'm sure we can make good returns with this strategy with some modifications.

Here is for a better April 2011 for everyone.

Joel
 
 
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  • Mar 31, 2011 7:50am Mar 31, 2011 7:50am
  •  cgrey
  • | Joined Aug 2007 | Status: Member | 687 Posts
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Hi erwal, it nice to see you using the spreadsheet I created!. I fully agree that March was not a good month for this strategy per se. However, I achieved much better results trading this manually and by amending some of the rules along the way.

The hours++ spent trading this live this month (and part of last month) helped me modify some of the rules for trade. I am willing to share here my amended rules and the results for March based on those rules if cgrey allows me to do so. As you can appreciate, it is cgrey's thread and I do not want to...
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Please do share you thoughts - I'm sure others appreciate modifications that have worked for you.
 
 
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  • Mar 31, 2011 9:27am Mar 31, 2011 9:27am
  •  erwal
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Hi erwal, it nice to see you using the spreadsheet I created!.
Joel
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Hi Joel - yes, many thanks for the spreadsheet. I use it every day.

I'd love to hear about your tweaks too.

Good luck everyone for April! I'm not giving up after one bad month
 
 
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  • Mar 31, 2011 2:15pm Mar 31, 2011 2:15pm
  •  GEOFFREY62
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: GEOFFREY62 | 184 Posts
Yes a very strange month, having been +23% at one point finished up just +7% for month after todays trade. However this is still a pretty good return so am fairly happy bunny. Lets hope April is much better.
Geoff
 
 
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  • Mar 31, 2011 2:29pm Mar 31, 2011 2:29pm
  •  Rasi
  • | Joined Feb 2011 | Status: Member | 169 Posts
Thanks cgrey and erwal. As I said before I have been trading this strategy live since late February on a manual basis. I was initially interested in this strategy due to the time of trade. I live in UK and this allows me to place the trade before I go to work (regrettably I am still part of the corporate world and trading is a part time activity for additional income). Like everyone else, I was following the rules as set out by Cgrey to begin with. For trading/research/analysis I was using 1 hr, 15 mins and 5 mins candles. When the results didn’t go my way as planned, I started studying the charts more intensely. I also started collecting further data on the currency pair and started testing each variable. Following these experimentations, I have come up with the following general/additional rules:

1. Risk per trade is 1.5% of the available capital (reason: reduce the risk)
2. Target return for the month is 7% instead of 10% (reason: reduction in risk per trade by 40%)
3. Pip rule (1): The minimum difference between the 0:00 GMT and 8:00 GMT candles’ open prices should be 7 (reason: reduce the number of missed trades due to this rule)
4. Pip rule (2): The maximum difference between the candles should be 30 (reason: when the differences were larger normal market behaviour seems to change and the break-out seems to be smaller or non-existent). There seem to be a strong case for not to change the direction of the trade if the pip difference is greater than 30, i-e adapt a trend following strategy but I am still testing that.
5. Entry time is 8:05 GMT (or GMT+1 during daylight saving times) but decision is still based on the 0:00 & 8:00 GMT openings. The reason is that the volatility seems to be very high at the London market opening and we were hitting the SL or getting closer to the SL regularly. There were a number of trades that closed at 8.11 GMT. The solution is either to increase the SL or enter the trade a little later. I decided on a hybrid solution and opted for entry at 8:05 GMT and SL of 28 (excluding spread).
6. Stop Loss of 28 instead of 20. (reason: there were some trades in February where we were 1 or 2 pip short with the SL of 20 before the trade went in the direction we chose and also to reduce the whipsaw effect).

As you can see from the attached spreadsheets, using the rules above would give us a return of:

1. 8.80% using all the rules
2. 6.42% using all rules except (4) above i-e the maximum 30 pip rule

Overall, I have managed to reduce the risks and increase the returns. Both options suggest that it is better stop trading after achieving the target. Needless to say, it is only one month’s trading results and all could change next month. However, I hope the above has given something for people to think about and come up with even better solutions.

Let us discuss it for a prosperous tomorrow .

Kind regards,

Joel
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File Type: xls CABLE without MAX pip rule.xls   80 KB | 167 downloads
 
 
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