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  • Oct 21, 2010 7:26pm Oct 21, 2010 7:26pm
  •  SteveHopwood
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Apr 2007 | 8,331 Posts
Quoting DXTrade
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WSS.... forgot that one Was a nice time though!
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I just googled them. The site is still going strong. Maybe Ashar's "Consistent is the key" really was true. I hope lots of traders are doing well there; I made friends there that I still have now.

 
 
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  • Oct 21, 2010 7:27pm Oct 21, 2010 7:27pm
  •  SteveHopwood
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Apr 2007 | 8,331 Posts
Quoting DXTrade
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I have no clue... just put 400 in the settings
Will see when I get there. Probably close the hedge once in profit and 245% oversold/bought.
Honestly no idea!
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Sounds like a man after my own true heart. http://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/s..._the_floor.gifhttp://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/s..._the_floor.gifhttp://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/s..._the_floor.gif
 
 
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  • Oct 21, 2010 9:21pm Oct 21, 2010 9:21pm
  •  hiredwhip
  • | Joined Nov 2009 | Status: Member | 4,980 Posts
Quoting SteveHopwood
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I have had the spec for another robot for weeks; it is just waiting for me to get my head around it once the heat has gone out of this thread.

I don't know if this is one macman is expecting to make public, so I suggest some serious buttering-up might be appropriate.

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OK Guy's......Here it comes.......

Butter for Steve and Macman
Have a great evening and thanks for the EA and a ton of fun.....

whip
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  • Oct 22, 2010 2:49am Oct 22, 2010 2:49am
  •  macman
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Quoting hiredwhip
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OK Guy's......Here it comes.......

Butter for Steve and Macman
Have a great evening and thanks for the EA and a ton of fun.....

whip
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LOL - Thanks Whip,

Now just gotta get the toaster out ....
 
 
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  • Oct 22, 2010 9:18am Oct 22, 2010 9:18am
  •  CanuckCT
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Hi Steve....a small suggestion...wonder if you might have an option for the beast that turns the white line into a moveable TP line....not default, but a specific option you must select. I trade a lot of support and resistance....and sometimes you can see that things are moving towards a certain area. I'd like to be able to just move that line as an option and have it reset when there are no trades on..

The other thing is this....I'm trying out a new Canadian ECN broker and added a close all pending and open orders script...may be using this broker in the future, now that FXPro is giving me the boot, ans a script like this will be helpful. Anyway, when I restarted MT4 a bunch of the pending orders and one of the open orders was closed. I had not applied any script, just restarted. Any ideas? Nothing unusual in the log.

I won't be participating in anything renko for this....don't see the need.

Cheers
CanuckCT
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  • Oct 22, 2010 9:37am Oct 22, 2010 9:37am
  •  ES Trader
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I just started testing out THE BEAST. I have it on renko on Euro and regular 1 hr candle chart on Gbpusd. Renko so far seems to be doing real well. It may be of course too soon to make the judgement. Renko bricks are 5pip in size
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  • Oct 22, 2010 9:41am Oct 22, 2010 9:41am
  •  SteveHopwood
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Quoting CanuckCT
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Hi Steve....a small suggestion...wonder if you might have an option for the beast that turns the white line into a moveable TP line....not default, but a specific option you must select. I trade a lot of support and resistance....and sometimes you can see that things are moving towards a certain area. I'd like to be able to just move that line as an option and have it reset when there are no trades on..
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It would be a nice feature to have. The problem is that the white line moves if TB moves the lines, so your tp's would move.

Leave me to think about this. Perhaps some sort of adaptation of the Recovery breakeven line is possible.

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The other thing is this....I'm trying out a new Canadian ECN broker and added a close all pending and open orders script...may be using this broker...
One of those mt4 mysteries.

 
 
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  • Oct 22, 2010 9:48am Oct 22, 2010 9:48am
  •  obnoxious2
  • | Joined May 2010 | Status: Member | 276 Posts
I've noticed that if a trade has been opened for 24hrs, it is best to just close it regardless of if its in the red or black. Better to take a hit and use that additional leverage to open up other potential trades.
 
 
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  • Oct 22, 2010 12:37pm Oct 22, 2010 12:37pm
  •  maxou888
  • | Joined Nov 2009 | Status: Member | 468 Posts
Don't want to be a joy killer, but I have to say I tested NB Ea on normal demo and with a Renko bars demo with many hope. I also do the same with my Ea MAX that is NB + Simon 4H trendline + Kg OB_OS + Trix + TMA etc...(2 demo : normal charts Renko Charts and normal charts) and Visually Renko bars looks wonderfull and I guessed (hoped) the result will be by far more better. After 3 weeks demo (same EA, same params) I concluded Renko bars do not bring any positive egde for the EA. Dissapointed, strange (because visually wonderfull) but reality. So my advice is don't loose your time with Renko Charts. Moreover ,we can say that Renko Charts repaints more or less. So my conclusion is that Renko Charts can be a very good tool for manual trading especially (solely?) for trend detrmination, but I don't think they bring any advantage for EA; During few days the profit was better, during few days the profit was worse.
Morover it's a nightmare when you trade many currencies : have to open 2 charts for each (2*26 = 52 charts) and CPU consuming. Another way could be Three Lines Break, may be it's implemented in Mt5 ???
Only my 2 cents.
 
 
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  •  squalou
  • Joined Mar 2010 | Status: Member | 588 Posts
Quoting tazmaan
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What are thoughts of basing the jumping stop settings on the distance between the 6th's lines, instead of just an arbitrary 30 pip JS?
Seems a 30pip js on gj, as opposed to something like audnzd or nzdgbp etc leaves alot of room for improvement?
Whether its distance between yellow and green, or distance between yellow and white, or any fractional combination based on either of those would make some sense?
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As a matter of fact, i was looking into something like this myself:

- SL for Primary set at the max price extension of the Sixths lines, which means at 1/6th distance from pending order;
this corresponds to the dark Blue line if you are plotting my "SIXTHS floating SQ" indicator

The idea here is that we don't expect PA to turn back further than its last extreme, and see it head towards the middle White line.

- SL for Secondary would also be set at 1/6th distance, ie SL set at Gold line when sending the pending order;

- Set the Jumping Stop value to be also 1/6th, so Primary will move to BE when the Green line is hit (= when the Secondary trade kicks in);
Then, this allows Primary to go even further in the "opposite territory" until it eventually closes when the opposite pending orders kick in...
But that's the ideal scenario of course...


Steve, possibly we could use the "StopLoss" and "JumpingStopPips" inputs to behave either as a true pip value if it is >1, or use it as a fraction of the total sixth extension when it is <1.
Of course, when set to 0, the SL would still be calculated out of ATR().

Typically, my example above would have
StopLoss = 0.1667, and
JumpingStopPips = 0.1667 as well.

That allows any other fraction to be used, and possibly backtest and optimize/fine tune those for each pair.

For instance 1/12th JS instead of 1/6th, why not...

Shouldn't take more than a couple of minutes to code that in...


SQ
 
 
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  • Oct 22, 2010 1:02pm Oct 22, 2010 1:02pm
  •  Invisible
  • | Joined Nov 2009 | Status: Member | 469 Posts
Can someone clarify how it is possible to run an EA on the renko charts when they are by definition offline charts? Do you have to keep refreshing the renko chart?

Obviously you guys have figured out how to do it, so it must be possible. I just can't get my head around how.

Cheers

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  • Oct 22, 2010 1:29pm Oct 22, 2010 1:29pm
  •  tazmaan
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Quoting squalou
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As a matter of fact, i was looking into something like this myself:


SQ
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Thx SQ, nice to see at least someone read my post
 
 
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  • Oct 22, 2010 1:55pm Oct 22, 2010 1:55pm
  •  peterporter
  • | Joined Mar 2010 | Status: Member | 401 Posts
Its good that you have your real time testing system accessible
I often use that just to check that my trades tie in with yours , and its not just me suffering the huge DD sometimes

Have a nice weekend
Sort of gives me reassurance in a strange sort of way
 
 
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  • Oct 22, 2010 2:17pm Oct 22, 2010 2:17pm
  •  trade4fun
  • | Commercial Member | Joined May 2010 | 382 Posts
Renko Update.

in theory as i see it. best results using barcount 50.

covers enough for nice trades. leaves enough open for hedges.
 
 
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  • Oct 22, 2010 2:57pm Oct 22, 2010 2:57pm
  •  Mr.White
  • | Joined Jul 2009 | Status: Member | 27 Posts
Just looking over the code briefly Steve and noticed that for your DoesTradeExist() function detection is based on having the order open price match one of the sixth levels, if the order slips on entry however (depending on whether pending orders are guaranteed at that price, somehow I doubt it though) these values will not match.
 
 
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  • Oct 22, 2010 3:09pm Oct 22, 2010 3:09pm
  •  SteveHopwood
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Apr 2007 | 8,331 Posts
Re the latest contributions guys, I am doing nothing about them.

TB aint bust so I aint fixing it. Can we please avoid over-complicating things.

 
 
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  • Oct 22, 2010 4:55pm Oct 22, 2010 4:55pm
  •  ChicagoRob
  • Joined Mar 2008 | Status: Member | 953 Posts
Quoting SteveHopwood
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Re the latest contributions guys, I am doing nothing about them.

TB aint bust so I aint fixing it. Can we please avoid over-complicating things.

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Have to agree; TB is far from broke.

Rob
 
 
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  • Oct 22, 2010 6:55pm Oct 22, 2010 6:55pm
  •  hiredwhip
  • | Joined Nov 2009 | Status: Member | 4,980 Posts
Quoting SteveHopwood
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Re the latest contributions guys, I am doing nothing about them.

TB aint bust so I aint fixing it. Can we please avoid over-complicating things.

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Nice One
 
 
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  • Oct 22, 2010 8:16pm Oct 22, 2010 8:16pm
  •  Zr-fx
  • | Joined Jan 2010 | Status: Member | 425 Posts
Quoting peterporter
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Its good that you have your real time testing system accessible
I often use that just to check that my trades tie in with yours , and its not just me suffering the huge DD sometimes

Have a nice weekend
Sort of gives me reassurance in a strange sort of way
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I'm glad you find it useful. I keep the lot sizes small and still it has banked over 18% in 16 days. Yes the DD is at about 9% but even if you take it out you still get a growth of 9% which not too bad at all. I will try limiting the trades to primary and increase the lot slightly from Monday to see what happens.
 
 
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  • Oct 22, 2010 8:28pm Oct 22, 2010 8:28pm
  •  duffypratt
  • | Joined Sep 2010 | Status: Member | 564 Posts
I'm trading 10 pairs. Using defaults on a version that is almost two weeks old. I will load the latest/greatest version this weekend. Trade size is mini lot for primary, and .3 mini for secondary. The account is a 10K demo.

For the week I banked 432 dollars, and I'm currently have a drawdown of 162 dollars. That's 2.7% for the week.

I have a few questions. 1) Is anyone planning to trade this at 50:1 leverage? What lot sizes do you think are appropriate per $10,000 in the account? What's the smallest account you think you could start using that little leverage?

Secondly, assume no hedging. What strategy, if any, are people considering for dealing with a trade or a series of trades that has gone deep into drawdown? At some point, I would think you will either have to bail on some trades or risk blowing an account. Any ideas?
 
 
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