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  • Oct 21, 2010 4:54pm Oct 21, 2010 4:54pm
  •  ChicagoRob
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49 winners, only 5 losers. Pipmonster deluxe. Current neg float only .5%.
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  •  hiredwhip
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With the success of TB....Macman, you and Steve should do another....

whip
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  • Oct 21, 2010 5:10pm Oct 21, 2010 5:10pm
  •  KingHigh
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maybe renko could give a better starting trades and less drawdown then the actually 1 hour chart. if this could be achieved using renko. then why not try to test it? that.
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TB operates off of Bid and Ask and the Sixths lines. Displaying the chart in Renko bars only has the effect of corrupting the currrent intent of the Sixth lines. They no longer display in a dynamic way what we hope represents OS/OB, S & R, Trading Range represented in a time domain.

SoOO - if we can make a case, that using the pure price action domain can work better than the time domain, we have something to explore. I personally don't see this as the case, but I would encourage you to give it a spin.

KingHigh
 
 
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  • Oct 21, 2010 5:20pm Oct 21, 2010 5:20pm
  •  tazmaan
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What are thoughts of basing the jumping stop settings on the distance between the 6th's lines, instead of just an arbitrary 30 pip JS?
Seems a 30pip js on gj, as opposed to something like audnzd or nzdgbp etc leaves alot of room for improvement?
Whether its distance between yellow and green, or distance between yellow and white, or any fractional combination based on either of those would make some sense?
 
 
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  • Oct 21, 2010 5:21pm Oct 21, 2010 5:21pm
  •  KingHigh
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Quoting hiredwhip
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With the success of TB....Macman, you and Steve should do another....

whip
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I believe that you trade 23 pairs. Macman said earlier today that the number of pairs would have a great affect on success by the inherent level of hedging that is going on as well with this strategy.

I looked at your report and you had a minimal drawdown, but could not draw any conclusion relative to the pair mix. Would you attribute this to the " inherent hedging " that comes from 23 pairs.

Regards, KingHigh
 
 
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  •  hiredwhip
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I believe that you trade 23 pairs. Macman said earlier today that the number of pairs would have a great affect on success by the inherent level of hedging that is going on as well with this strategy.

I looked at your report and you had a minimal drawdown, but could not draw any conclusion relative to the pair mix. Would you attribute this to the " inherent hedging " that comes from 23 pairs.

Regards, KingHigh
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KH these are my pairs.....

whip

KH....Not sure where you got a number of 23 since these pairs were posted last week when Duffy was doing some type of comp. study........OOTB.....H1 charts
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  •  SteveHopwood
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Thanks to those of you waiting to defer to me about whether to start a new thread to discuss a possible Renko application rather than do so here. That is kind of you all.

I welcome all discussion of possible TB application here. TB is basically finished; there are tweaks I plan to add that can easily be added, that is all.

On a bigger scale, one of the contributors here has offered help in attempting to make TB self-optimise the BarCount. This is a long way distant; I need to have the time to get my head around the basics before even contemplating taking this further.

So, in the meantime everyone please feel free to explore any use of TB and report your findings here.

One thing to bear in mind is this. TB is an H1 trader. If users put it on a lower tf, it multiplies the lower tf by a factor that means the BarCount still equates to the H1. On higher tf's the results will be nonsense and traders will soon become discouraged and give up on them.

This will render current Renko results unreliable to useless. I have added a line of code that is intended to ensure that TB ignores the chart tf if it has been placed on a Renko chart - page 1.

My understanding is that Renko charts are offline 2 minute charts, so I have added multiplier = 1; before the code that does the lower tf accommodation thingy (in init()). This should make the BarCount input be relevant on an unavailable 2 minute chart.

Not sure if this is the correct approach, so coders fell free to correct me if I am wrong.

 
 
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  •  SteveHopwood
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With the success of TB....Macman, you and Steve should do another....

whip
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I have had the spec for another robot for weeks; it is just waiting for me to get my head around it once the heat has gone out of this thread.

I don't know if this is one macman is expecting to make public, so I suggest some serious buttering-up might be appropriate.

 
 
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  •  SteveHopwood
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Quoting KingHigh
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I believe that you trade 23 pairs. Macman said earlier today that the number of pairs would have a great affect on success by the inherent level of hedging that is going on as well with this strategy.
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Live, I am only trading 6 pairs because there is not much money in the account. Even so, I am up 2.5% so far this week and am hoping for 3.%% by close tomorrow.

On demo, I am trading every pair except the silly ones. What is happening here is: trades always open; upl constantly in dd but rarely by more than about 5%; profits and account balance constantly rising.

So yes, if you possibly can trade tiny lots on as many pairs as your account can stand.

 
 
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  • Oct 21, 2010 6:03pm Oct 21, 2010 6:03pm
  •  hiredwhip
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Quoting SteveHopwood
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I have had the spec for another robot for weeks; it is just waiting for me to get my head around it once the heat has gone out of this thread.

I don't know if this is one macman is expecting to make public, so I suggest some serious buttering-up might be appropriate.

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Hi Steve.......I'm in my pickup and can't get to the butter......as soon as I can.......

whip
 
 
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  • Oct 21, 2010 6:29pm Oct 21, 2010 6:29pm
  •  DXTrade
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I'm a big fan of Renko and was trading it for a long time.
But given the results I have with TB on my H1 charts since it was coded there is absolutely NO NEED to change anything.
I trade TB live on all pairs except the obvious stupid ones with only P trades and hedge starting at 400 pips (not happened yet)
I will never touch anything else again... you shouldn't do so as well.
Just be happy as it is for now... the win ratio is scary enough like it is now.
Sit back, relax, go golfing and enjoy watching your account grow...
"The only successful substitute for brains is silence."
 
 
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  •  CanuckCT
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Hey DX,
When you say "the obvious stupid ones"...exactly which pairs have you excluded.
Thanks
CanuckCT

Quoting DXTrade
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I'm a big fan of Renko and was trading it for a long time.
But given the results I have with TB on my H1 charts since it was coded there is absolutely NO NEED to change anything.
I trade TB live on all pairs except the obvious stupid ones with only P trades and hedge starting at 400 pips (not happened yet)
I will never touch anything else again... you shouldn't do so as well.
Just be happy as it is for now... the win ratio is scary enough like it is now.
Sit back, relax, go golfing and enjoy watching your account grow...
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  • Oct 21, 2010 6:44pm Oct 21, 2010 6:44pm
  •  SteveHopwood
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Quoting DXTrade
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I'm a big fan of Renko and was trading it for a long time.
But given the results I have with TB on my H1 charts since it was coded there is absolutely NO NEED to change anything.
I trade TB live on all pairs except the obvious stupid ones with only P trades and hedge starting at 400 pips (not happened yet)
I will never touch anything else again... you shouldn't do so as well.
Just be happy as it is for now... the win ratio is scary enough like it is now.
Sit back, relax, go golfing and enjoy watching your account grow...
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Wow wow wow wow and wow again.

With an extra helping of wow.

Plus extra wow sauce in its own highly-ornate Wow bottle.

Listen up guys. Back in the days when I was still asking, "What is Bid?" or, "What is Ask?", DXTrade was one of the gurus at a site whose trading system I was following (remember WSS, Uli? Feels like a lifetime ago).

A bit further down the line, and DXTrade was telling me where to find my Fib tool when I was asking if I had to do the calculations by hand.

Knows what he is talking about does DXTrade, is what I am saying here.

What makes his post especially forceful for me is this: as I understand it, DXTrade always took a large amounts of profit from a very small pip movement. Frankly, if he has adopted this strategy and is happy to leave some of his live trading to TB, then we should all sit up and take notice.

Nice one, Uli.

 
 
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  • Oct 21, 2010 7:07pm Oct 21, 2010 7:07pm
  •  obnoxious2
  • | Joined May 2010 | Status: Member | 276 Posts
Just looked in the history. Possible glitch?

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...g?t=1287702416
 
 
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  • Oct 21, 2010 7:07pm Oct 21, 2010 7:07pm
  •  Toothman
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Quoting DXTrade
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I'm a big fan of Renko and was trading it for a long time.
But given the results I have with TB on my H1 charts since it was coded there is absolutely NO NEED to change anything.
I trade TB live on all pairs except the obvious stupid ones with only P trades and hedge starting at 400 pips (not happened yet)
I will never touch anything else again... you shouldn't do so as well.
Just be happy as it is for now... the win ratio is scary enough like it is now.
Sit back, relax, go golfing and enjoy watching your account grow...
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DXTrade,
You mentioned you were going to hedge at -400. Can you give us any tips on hedging. What lot size would you use in comparison to your open trades? What's your strategy for exit with a hedge? thank you
 
 
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  • Oct 21, 2010 7:12pm Oct 21, 2010 7:12pm
  •  SteveHopwood
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Quoting obnoxious2
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Just looked in the history. Possible glitch?

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...g?t=1287702416
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That is a great example of Recovery both working and locking in some extra pips. These two losers have matching winners earlier on.

 
 
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  • Oct 21, 2010 7:14pm Oct 21, 2010 7:14pm
  •  tazmaan
  • | Joined May 2008 | Status: Member | 1,114 Posts
The one thing I noticed 'possibly' was what happens when the 6ths line's change while you are in a trade already.
Could explain your two losses at 'tp'.
I noticed it once already on one of my pairs, where I had trades in and then the white line moved and trades were closed still at the white line.
I am not sure what is supposed to be done in that situation, so it could very well be the intent to follow the new 6ths lines no matter if in a trade based off the old ones. That's for macman/steve to answer I guess
 
 
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  • Oct 21, 2010 7:15pm Oct 21, 2010 7:15pm
  •  DXTrade
  • Joined Jul 2007 | Status: Take Five | 755 Posts
Quoting SteveHopwood
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Wow wow wow wow and wow again.

With an extra helping of wow.

Plus extra wow sauce in its own highly-ornate Wow bottle.

Listen up guys. Back in the days when I was still asking, "What is Bid?" or, "What is Ask?", DXTrade was one of the gurus at a site whose trading system I was following (remember WSS, Uli? Feels like a lifetime ago).

A bit further down the line, and DXTrade was telling me where to find my Fib tool when I was asking if I had to do the calculations by hand.

Knows what he is talking about does DXTrade, is what I...
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Thanks my friend... not too much please!
But honestly... trading retail since about 10 years I had to struggle a lot to make my initial losses back.
And my trading since Bob's thread - beginning of August - is not far from amazing given that we are still talking about MT4 and EA's.
So just repair some bugs if there are... but leave the rest as is and enjoy life. It won't get any better. Some interventions manually maybe in case the market goes wild... that's it.
But you are the sleepless coding beast leading me to Bob's thread... thanks again.

WSS.... forgot that one Was a nice time though!
"The only successful substitute for brains is silence."
 
 
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  • Oct 21, 2010 7:17pm Oct 21, 2010 7:17pm
  •  DXTrade
  • Joined Jul 2007 | Status: Take Five | 755 Posts
Quoting CanuckCT
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Hey DX,
When you say "the obvious stupid ones"...exactly which pairs have you excluded.
Thanks
CanuckCT
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All the scandinavian stuff, gold, oil etc...
"The only successful substitute for brains is silence."
 
 
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  • Oct 21, 2010 7:20pm Oct 21, 2010 7:20pm
  •  DXTrade
  • Joined Jul 2007 | Status: Take Five | 755 Posts
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DXTrade,
You mentioned you were going to hedge at -400. Can you give us any tips on hedging. What lot size would you use in comparison to your open trades? What's your strategy for exit with a hedge? thank you
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I have no clue... just put 400 in the settings
Will see when I get there. Probably close the hedge once in profit and 245% oversold/bought.
Honestly no idea!
"The only successful substitute for brains is silence."
 
 
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