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  •  lascavel
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Quoting Gesek
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Also read the attached pdf, lascavel posted the link to this stuff.

Here its also explained what is SM doing during accumulation, markup, distribution and mark down phase,but read it with reserve, because there are some curious things: such as during accumulation on the schematics 2 the text explains that how disribution is working, so the text is not properly connected to picture. But its very good article.

Enjoy!
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Good day Gesek,

Just to illustrate the Wyckoff Scematics framework which have implication on your VSA analysis. Chart of UJ. UJ could be building up for a re accumulation phase after a major shakeout yesterday due to BOJ intervention. Therefore a correction to around either 85.10 or down to 84.77 should be expected in which a climatic activity will mostly likely occur.

Cheers!

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  •  lascavel
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Here is another example of VSA mapping it to Wyckoff Schematics.
edit: note that SOW here should be SOS instead as pointed out by HG below. Sorry for the typo.
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  •  HiddenGap
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Quoting lascavel
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Here is another example of VSA mapping it to Wyckoff Schematics.

Attachment 544442
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SOW's on this chart should be SOS's:

SOW-Sign of Weakness
SOS-Sign of Strength

I know you know, just clearing it up for everyone else.
Wyckoff VSA: (1) Supply vs Demand (2) Effort vs Result (3) Cause vs Effect
 
 
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  • Sep 16, 2010 6:35am Sep 16, 2010 6:35am
  •  lascavel
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Quoting HiddenGap
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SOW's on this chart should be SOS's:

SOW-Sign of Weakness
SOS-Sign of Strength

I know you know, just clearing it up for everyone else.
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My Bad, typo on my part.

Thanks for clearing up for the folks here HG, with the explanation of the acronyms which i did not state earlier.

Cheers!
las
 
 
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  • Sep 17, 2010 1:49am Sep 17, 2010 1:49am
  •  robdee
  • Joined Jul 2006 | Status: Mighty Mooloo Country | 480 Posts
HiddenGap's comments about 'something compressing the range' triggered my thinking about this as a concept or idea to describe market activity.

Quoting HiddenGap
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B: ... note that volume is above average and increasing.
With all that volume, how can the candle have such a narrow range?
Something must be compressing the range.
That something is the supply of the professional side of the market.
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HiddenGap also used Bill Williams term 'squat' for a candle that has higher volume but that volume has been compressed into a narrower range. Bill Williams MFI indicator would show a squat as a small value. In other words very little price move gained for all the volume (effort) put into the market.

I am guessing that a squat is a period of high activity during which positions are being loaded up. This loading is done carefully so as not make price jump too much and give away the game too soon. (my simplistic thinking, apologies to those who may have already explained this somewhere else)

So, what about a compression indicator that would allow us to easily see the typical and the exceptional compression levels for a pair/timeframe combination.

Would we be able to see repeatable compression patterns?


Well I just had to check it out...

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//+-----------------------------------------------------------+
//| INDICATOR for volume compression          Compression.mq4 |
//| copy to [experts\indicators] and recompile or restart MT4 |
//+-----------------------------------------------------------+
//| Free software for personal non-commercial use only.       |
//| No guarantees are expressed or implied.                   |
//| Feedback welcome via Forex Factory private message.       |
//+-----------------------------------------------------------+
#property copyright "Copyright © 2010 Robert Dee"
#property link      "www.forexfactory.com/member.php?u=12983"

/**
   ==== NOTES ABOUT 'COMPRESSION' AS AN IDEA TO DESCRIBE MARKET ACTIVITY ====

   compression is measured in tics per point (tics of volume / range of candle)
   in other words how many tics of volume are 'compressed' into the candle
   basically high compression means a lots of activity but not much price movement

   for example: a candle with volume = 1632 tics, range = 136 points (13.6 pips) 
                therefore compression = (1632 tics / 136 points) = 12 tics/point

   small candles with exceptionally high compression are interesting and useful
   exceptional compression highlights trading activity 'hiding' in smaller candles
   when the pressure blows out the price will move away on bigger 'low compression' candles
**/

#define INDICATOR_VERSION    20100917
#define INDICATOR_NAME       "Compression"
#define RELEASE_LEVEL        "Public"
#define MT4_BUILD            226

#property indicator_separate_window
#property indicator_buffers 2

#property indicator_color1 Green   // MoreCompression histogram colour
#property indicator_color2 Orange  // LessCompression histogram colour
#property indicator_width1 1
#property indicator_width2 1

// persistent variables
double MoreCompression[];
double LessCompression[];
double lastcompression;

//+------------------------------------------------------------------+
//| init() sets up the display buffers once when indicator is loaded
//+------------------------------------------------------------------+
int init()
{
// MoreCompression style
   SetIndexStyle(0,DRAW_HISTOGRAM);
// LessCompression style
   SetIndexStyle(1,DRAW_HISTOGRAM);
// setup indicator buffers
   SetIndexEmptyValue(0,0);
   SetIndexEmptyValue(1,0);
   SetIndexBuffer(0,MoreCompression);
   SetIndexBuffer(1,LessCompression);
// names for DataWindow and indicator subwindow label
   IndicatorDigits(1);
   IndicatorShortName(INDICATOR_NAME);
   SetIndexLabel(0,"MoreCompression");
   SetIndexLabel(1,"LessCompression");
// message to the experts log (shows in reverse order)
   Print("Copyright © 2010 Robert Dee, All Rights Reserved");   
   Print("Free software for personal non-commercial use only. No guarantees are expressed or implied.");
   Print(INDICATOR_NAME+" indicator version V"+INDICATOR_VERSION+" for "+RELEASE_LEVEL+" release, compiled with MetaTrader4 Build "+MT4_BUILD);
return(0);
}

//+------------------------------------------------------------------+
//| start() function is called once every time price changes (tic)
//+------------------------------------------------------------------+
int start()
{
int      shift;
double   multi = MathPow(10,Digits);
double   range, compression;

shift = Bars-1;
while(shift >= 0)
   {
   range = High[shift] - Low[shift];            // find the range of this candle (High - Low)
   if(range == 0) range = Point;                // prevent divide by zero errors, make the range at least one point
   compression = Volume[shift] / range / multi; // find the compression (Volume / Range)
   if(compression > lastcompression) {MoreCompression[shift] = compression; LessCompression[shift] = 0;}
   if(compression < lastcompression) {LessCompression[shift] = compression; MoreCompression[shift] = 0;}
   lastcompression = compression;               // remember this compression to compare next time
   shift--;                                     // move forward one candle
   }
} // end of start()

//+------------------------------------------------------------------+
//| deinit() does the cleanup once when the indicator is shutdown
//+------------------------------------------------------------------+
void deinit()
{
int i = 0;
while(i < Bars)  // cleanup
   {
   MoreCompression[i] = 0;
   LessCompression[i] = 0;
   i++;
   }
}
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File Type: mq4 Compression.mq4   4 KB | 870 downloads
 
 
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  • Sep 17, 2010 2:36am Sep 17, 2010 2:36am
  •  Price
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Hey robdee.... where ya been hiding ?? That's a pretty good observation, and an indicator to go with it... nice work !!
I recall seeing your efforts at the Vforce/force5 thread and if you're gonna take this VSA thing as far as you took Vforce.... I would be at full attention !! I saw your FAQ, and the work you put into Jedi's system.... it's pretty impressive, so I hope you continue with your discovery.
 
 
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  • Sep 17, 2010 3:41am Sep 17, 2010 3:41am
  •  hoichoi
  • | Joined Feb 2009 | Status: Member | 344 Posts
hey robdee nice to see you man can u show us more explanation about it?
 
 
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  • Sep 17, 2010 6:08am Sep 17, 2010 6:08am
  •  lascavel
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Hi All,

Here is an example of a Wyckoff Schematics for GU of pass 2 days of re-accumulation, showing a critical test in the supply area prior to the upmove after a shakeout yesterday which form the basis of the climax.

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  •  lascavel
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Here is a illustration of GU 15mins distribution wave sequence per Wyckoff Schematic.

Errata, the AR should be the swing low after the Climatic sequence..not after the PS as shown...
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  • Sep 17, 2010 11:51am Sep 17, 2010 11:51am
  •  Gesek
  • | Joined May 2010 | Status: Member | 45 Posts
Quoting lascavel
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Here is a illustration of GU 15mins distribution wave sequence per Wyckoff Schematic.

Attachment 545234
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Lascavel, good to see you here posting charts, thank you for helping with trade examples

Robdee, you can also post charts with your compression indicator, but please separate it somehow from VSA indicator. It would be interesting to see the two different indicators in one thread.
 
 
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  • Sep 17, 2010 3:21pm Sep 17, 2010 3:21pm
  •  robdee
  • Joined Jul 2006 | Status: Mighty Mooloo Country | 480 Posts
Quoting Gesek
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Robdee, you can also post charts with your compression indicator, but please separate it somehow from VSA indicator.
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Hi Gesek, yes I certainly do not want to confuse this thread by imitating VSA with something that is not VSA. As a VSA newbie I cannot decide how useful (or not) this compression idea is, so I will wait for others with more experience to comment.

Anyone wanting more background about why I wrote the compression indicator please read HiddenGap's post #34. I have been reading it again and again. It is an excellent brief on why we should all be interested in the relationship between volume, range, and price action.

Question about VSA indicators ?

I see Gesek you're using Better Volume 1.4, others are using Hidden Gap Volume, then there is all this Wyckoff Schematic analysis which looks amazing.

Will someone please explain the differences, strengths, weaknesses of the various indicators presented in this thread ? And where the current versions may be found ?

I think this information will be helpful to VSA newbies like me. Thanks to all contributors of this thread.
 
 
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  • Sep 17, 2010 3:42pm Sep 17, 2010 3:42pm
  •  ZootSuit
  • | Joined Jul 2010 | Status: Intellectual Terrorist | 50 Posts
The "trade using vsa" thread its where you can find all the indicators yo need.
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  • Edited 9:45am Sep 18, 2010 2:06am | Edited 9:45am
  •  lascavel
  • | Joined Oct 2008 | Status: Member | 122 Posts
Quoting robdee
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Hi Gesek, yes I certainly do not want to confuse this thread by imitating VSA with something that is not VSA. As a VSA newbie I cannot decide how useful (or not) this compression idea is, so I will wait for others with more experience to comment.

Anyone wanting more background about why I wrote the compression indicator please read HiddenGap's post #34. I have been reading it again and again. It is an excellent brief on why we should all be interested in the relationship between...
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Good stuff Rob,I have a similar indicator that i use in Trade-station previously. Infact Compression like hi vol + small range bar & in Bettervolume i think they call it high Churn bars or something.

Anyway using a 4hr chart of UJ. This is just an educated guess on how this Compression indicator can be taken in context of some VSA terminology. This is just a hypothetical read. My apologies if this is not relevant to this post. Cheers!

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  •  lascavel
  • | Joined Oct 2008 | Status: Member | 122 Posts
Just one more to add to the above post, this hypothetical read is for USDCAD Daily chart. As it seems USDCAD could be on a testing spree on 1.02500 level, as per Wyckoff Schematics on accumulation.....

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  • Sep 19, 2010 7:17am Sep 19, 2010 7:17am
  •  PrymeTyme
  • Joined Oct 2009 | Status: 5%er Wannabe | 769 Posts
Quoting Gesek
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OK, so you can speculate what happened here and try to analyze the trade for yourself or even better: for us(write down) what do u think!
http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/...1magnified.jpg
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Hi Gesek

Thnx for your work thus far .. your thread actually got me into Learning VSA
i read mtm .. 3 times now .. and as iam more a learning by doing type of guy ..

i just tried to analyze your picture .. probably alot of mistakes in it .. but hey its learning by doing .. .. please feel free to correct the my analysis .. thnx

btw.. i dont look at the colours of the vol bars,. for now..


1. a buying climax high volume on spread is getting narrower
next bar is a down bar wich tells me that the high volume contained more selling

2. low volume up bar into resistance (supply) tells me that market is weak ie. SM isnt participating

3. High volume wide spread down bar .. sm is participating in the down move

4. volume is deacreasing on the down move sign of strenght coming in

5. increased vol but still low. on wide spread downbar wich penetrates the lower TL .. is a weak move


6. high vol high spread up bar .. heavy buing has absorbed the previous selling
sign of strenght

7. successfull test on lower vol into previous selling zone .. with bar closing in the middle ..the supply is gone .. sign of strenght


8. high vol . profit taking

9. as we move further to the resistance /supply) .. the vol decraeses and the spreads get narrow sign of weakness

10. lack of demand .. low vol .. narrow spread .. close near middle..

11. increasing vol .. on the down move with wide speards .. SM is participating in the down move

12. decreasing vol as we move further to the TL signs of strenght

13. low volume donwbar .. a test to see if there is selling going on
low volume shows that there is not much selling going on
but it closwed down .. so wait for confirmation

14. increasing volume on a and up bar .... shows that test was succsesfull and is sign of stregth

15. high volume on wide spread up bar breaching thru a minor resitance line pushing up thru supply

16. up thrust , on high volume an swing high .. indicates that sm is now bearish..

17. decreasing volume as we move closer to the TL and previos resistance wich now may act as support

18. increasing vol after the bounce of support

19. and then again decreasing vol as we reach the major resistance wich is a sign of weakness

20. high volume up bar into major resistance .. caution as this can be a sign of weaknesswait and look waht the market does in the next few bars..

21. price went back down to the area where bar 20. had high vol .. the actual bar shows now low vol wich means no selling pressure

22. low volume up bar .. into major resistance .. and into the are of bar 20 .. wich also shows that there is still lack of demand .. so ther is no participation of SM ..

23. low volume on downbar .. into teh area of bar 21 .. wich has higher vol.. wich is now a sign that there is still no selling going on ..

24 .. followed by a test .. wich gives confirmation that there is no selling going on.. but the prices dont really go higher .. so the SM is in waiting mode

25. lower vol then previous bar .. close in the middle .. no selling pressure

>>it gets clearly now that the path of least resistance will be up
as there is not much selling going on...

26. increasing volume on up bars .. SMis in the game and pushes price thru major resistance.. and the herd is acting to it ..


i guess the whole picture is accumulation as the SM is soaking up the floating supply and we make new highs on each new bottom..


please correct me if iam wrong .. and iam sure iam as iam a total newb to VSA

looking forward to hear from you


cheerz
 
 
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  • Sep 20, 2010 9:56am Sep 20, 2010 9:56am
  •  Gesek
  • | Joined May 2010 | Status: Member | 45 Posts
Quoting PrymeTyme
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Hi Gesek

Thnx for your work thus far .. your thread actually got me into Learning VSA
i read mtm .. 3 times now...
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Welcome PrymeTyme! Very nice analysis, you are absolute correct! Thank you for it

In the next post everyone can see the whole picture
 
 
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  • Sep 20, 2010 10:02am Sep 20, 2010 10:02am
  •  Gesek
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Congestion areas

lascavel is posting very nice charts according congestion areas (where accumulation or distribution takes place). So I would like to summarize what we know about them.

When we see a ranging market we can be almost sure that it is congestion are, but how to identify if it is accumulation or distribution area?! After the breakout and nice markup or mark down its obvious, but can we somehow predict what will happen?

Unfortunately we cant for sure, but we can observe the PA and the volume, so we can play with odds and probabilities.

Do you remember this chart?

http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/...1magnified.jpg

When you look at it you see a whole bunch of numbers and you cant be sure whats going on. But what do you think after this:

http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/...k/audcadH4.jpg

Maybe an uptrend with S/R areas? Yes, you are right! This is a beutiful H4 chart with an uptrend.

So look at it from closer perspective:

http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/...k/audcadH1.jpg


Here we can clearly see the higher lows(circled).

Now we know the break of the resistance is possible(more than possible, because the trend is strong), but there is also a possibility of bounce and trend reversal(not likely). I prefer to trade with the trend and I think not Im the only one, but we must wait how the PA and volume will behave.

So what happened?
Here we go:

1-Before we start to talk about the point 1, look at the left side of the chart. We had two green(bullish) candles with low volume, after that doji appeared and finally a big red(bearish) candle with low volume. The volume is showing weakness in the up candles at the top(resistance area), but also the down candle is showing low volume, so the trend reversal is impossible. It went lower and the volume was still below average. Before the point 1 we can see 2 bull candles with increasing volume, it looked promising, but at the point 1 the volume stopped.
2-Big bull candle with low volume- lower than the previous 5candles. Is the breakout likely with so low volume? Its (almost)impossible!
3-Huge bearis candle with huge volume. This can be something what represent the start of steady downtrend, or only a false spike down - the second is more likely, because there is no bearish background and it was unusually high volume.
4-This only confirm our hypothesis. As we are going lower the volume is also going lower, so there is no support for down move.
5-Big bearish candle with average volume.
6-Bullish candle with much higher volume, which represent that the market will probably go up.
7-Our confirmation, the PA cant go lower with this kind of volume, so the supply was tested, because during the down candle the volume is lower than previous 3 volume bars.
8-Before the point 8 the market is going up, at the point 8 we see doji(spinning top) with unusual high volume, not very good for us.
9-This also confirms that the breakout is not likely, because the volume is decreasing.
10-Doji(spinning top) with low volume...absolute bad.
11-Volume is increasing on the down move, so the bearis market is little bit supported by SM. This is sign of strength.
12- The volume is decreasing. This is again sign of weakness, so the down move is no more supported with SM.
13-The support is tested by low volume bearish candle.
14-Bullish candle with narrow spread, but the volume is higher on this bull candle, than on the previous 3candles, so here can start the up move, but it must be confirmed.
15-Huge bull candle with increasing volume, but not extraordinary high volume. This is sign of the up move strength. Unfortunately the volume decreased after the up move.
16-Another evening star before the resistance is reached.
17- The down move is not supported by SM, because the volume is decreasing.
18-19- There is lot of action, but the main observation can be only according the volume. So, at the point 18 it looks promising, but at the point
19-its another failed attemt to break the resistance. Then a small retrace.
20-High volume bullish candle, but the next candle cant close above this and the volume is also lower.
21- Here we have a test of supply. On the bearis candle the volume is not very low, its average, so the supply is still present.
22-Big bull candle, which engulfs 2 bear candles, but the volume is even lower, than at the previous 5candles, so this is another failed attempt.
23-Another test of supply, as we observe now, the volume is much lower, than at the previous test of supply. The concluion is, that there is no supply present.
24-Doji, but not usual! The PA went down and then closed at the top of the candle, so its bullish signal. The doji can be used as support(candlestick analysis).
25-Another almost doji, the PA cant go lower and close at the bottom, because demand is there.
26-Here it is! This is our entry if trading breakouts and markups. The volume is increasing, but not suddenly. Every candle has red color volume, which means the start of uptrend. This is very pretty markup!


This is an example for accumulation area(or even better re-accumulation area), it is the same for distribution and mark down.
 
 
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  • Sep 21, 2010 5:27am Sep 21, 2010 5:27am
  •  lascavel
  • | Joined Oct 2008 | Status: Member | 122 Posts
Here is EJ Wyckoff Schematics example showing EJ ranging market since Climax 2 days ago in which it goes into a re-accumulation wave... & the classic "Spring" on the right as shown. Note the ST levels occurs around the 61.8% FIB retracement levels.

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  •  lascavel
  • | Joined Oct 2008 | Status: Member | 122 Posts
After a huge spread down move, we see climatic action on GU. Here is a 5mins view as per Wyckoff schematics, latest feed showing a secondary test of a form like a shakeout. Is call a mini-shakeout at around 79% retrace level of the recent swing in 5mins. *Note that in this example, the preliminary support or PS is the same point as the climax.

Next sequence will be a test of no supply around the previous supply zone of AR point. Or it could be more test down the retracement area again or even fail all together & move down...

edit: possible NO demand test at climatic zone is possible in which price will move down more.
edit2: sorry this chart is GBP futures..not spot mkt.

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Update: Another test or mini-shakeout. It seems price is priming for a test at AR zone (resistance)
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Update: GU now testing the AR zone with low volume down bars & a shakeout. It should be prime for a upmove.
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update: GU now move above the AR resistance zone with high vol. Here one you should expect a another low volume test, this should set the stage for the Wyckoff Entry.
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update: Test back to AR fails, now headed lower for further test.
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Update: Price tested again now with a shakeout price action prior to FOMC news release.
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Here is the summarize view in 30mins, less noise..i guess u can see where is the better entry point here & also most importantly, Prior to the NEWS, Markets already tell you where they intend to be heading since London opens...
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Cheers!
LAS
 
 
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  •  Gesek
  • | Joined May 2010 | Status: Member | 45 Posts
Quoting lascavel
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After a huge spread down move, we see climatic action on GU. Here is a 5mins view as per Wyckoff schematics, latest feed showing a secondary test of a form like a shakeout. Is call a mini-shakeout at around 79% retrace level of the recent swing in 5mins. *Note that in this example, the preliminary support or PS is the same point as the climax.

Next sequence will be a test of no supply around the previous supply zone of AR point. Or it could be more test down the retracement area again or even fail all together & move down...

edit: possible...
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OOOOOH, what kind of nice charts with wonderful explanation. Im very glad, that you are here LASCAVEL!
 
 
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