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  • First Post: Edited Nov 28, 2011 7:38am Feb 26, 2010 12:55pm | Edited Nov 28, 2011 7:38am
  •  feb2865
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Jun 2006 | 1,578 Posts
Update 11-22-2011

Guys.

I am actively trading my journal here: http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...=1#post5156030

You're welcome to join. Thanks...




11-28-2011 By some inquires, I am re-activating this thread. I am planning to stay home until next year. Meaning, as soon as I begin teaching actively, I will be around here sometimes. As for now, let's have fun!





Ok….those who know me knows (isn’t that redundancy?) that I hate bullshit. I do what I want and I really don’t give a fuck if you either lose or win…not my problem. Pretty much my ground rules are established in the system I and II so go back and read.. Or check my defunct loser’s journal, there’s some aspects of my personality.

Just to add, I am not here to baby sit or to win a popularity contest. Not here to create a cult of followers…you come here, lay your question on the table and please leave the bullshit behind I don’t have the patience nor the time to deal with it.

Well (scratching my throat) now that we have an understanding…let the show begin.

I just quit scalping. Yeah many years of my eyes on the numbers definitely took a toll on me. Still cold turkey but improving.

I am gonna trade ..(oh yeah baby!) Support and Resistance…but let’s get something straight…

All the guru’s and their mothers are chanting like a bunch of drunken sailors how you’re “supposed” to draw correct S/R lines…….Bullshit. I say…that aint gonna make me money.

You just simply look for turning points in the past. There’s something called “zoom” in your charts and I bet if you zoom your charts out you’ll see what I am talking about.

Don’t wait for the market to “test” these turning points or you’ll be missing the bus more often than not. Just get up, shut up and trade…simple…. no need to fuck the brain into what the market will do next….

I am picking 30 minutes charts because I feel comfortable with it. You pick whatever you want. Remember on lower timeframes you’ll get more noise…It’s up to you.

I am going to stop right here and the rest of the class will be illustrated on the charts at the next post.


Stay tuned!!

PD: Please…I beg…I supplicate….don’t ask me for statistics….if you’re in to that, be my guest…probably is a good way of stay focused while you masturbate!!!

Update 03-10-2010

I don't want to be rude or anything but this is not a thread for newbies. I can't teach people how to trade(the basics). I am only here for my point of view on trading. If you're about to trade, don't ask me if this is the right time or something...go ahead and do it. Use the reasoning I lay out on this thread and make your own call. I don't teach newbies. Nothing wrong with that but there's plenty of info about the basics of trading everywhere. I can't advice anyone how, when and where to trade... Trading is an individualistic thing hence my disagreement about "fixed systems"


Just load some charts, put your trade with stops/limits etc and gives us a brief explanation about your logic behind the trade....do the work......if you do that, then I am willing to give a hand.

Another thing that truly has bugged me for a while and this is a rant...trust me

Stop this "I trade GPB/JPY because it has more pips etc bullshit....you trade out of comfort. ... or maybe time zones depending where you live....and risk tolerance. It doesn't matter of G/U has more "juice" than E/U etc. You still need to adjust your load based on your pre-determined risk. So if the daily range of G/U is wider than E/U you still are bonded on your risk. Stop chasing wild dreams...Stick to one pair and be the master of it. Stick to a time frame and be the master of it....It's about time to bring down the fucking stereotype walls on this business and begin to make money consistently.

Update 3-13-2010

I suggest you look for my older post in system I and II so you get a hang of how I think about trend trading, multiple timeframes etc.
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  •  feb2865
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You need to become an expert on how to look for turning points in the past....I will call it "Past Reference" Your job is to draw them into the future and be on the lookout for possible turning points. Could be highly probable that the market will react at those points. As to what mechanics are involved in this process...that's completely beyond this thread.

Anticipate the move. Put a stop-limit order (stop-loss at a reasonable distance for the turning point) and the target could be the latest turning point at the opposite direction(please look at the charts on my current trade)

Do me a favor and don't use Bollinger Bands, Keltner food or any of that good stuff. Use price...learn how to read the market...horizontal lines will suffice.

Let the market to it's thing(oh boy I feel weird saying this).

It's not recommendable to trail your stop on this one unless you see the market stalled close to your target...then you should break even...

Trade relax....

Look for a time frame that is comfortable to you.....I found a good balance on 30 minutes.

Here's the charts.

Note: I modified the target point on the charts. As you noticed, I don't place my target exactly at the price when the market started to turn.
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  •  WinwinFx
  • | Joined Jan 2010 | Status: Member | 276 Posts
Quoting feb2865
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Ok….those who know me knows (isn’t that redundancy?) that I am hate bullshit. I do what I want and I really don’t give a fuck if you either lose or win…not my problem. Pretty much my ground rules are established in the system I and II so go back and read.. Or check my defunct loser’s journal, there’s some aspects of my personality.

Just to add, I am not here to baby sit or to win a popularity contest. Not here to create a cult of followers…you come here, lay your question on the table and please leave the bullshit behind I don’t have the patience...
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Hi FEB,

Nice to see you back and going ......... with a strong engine..... I supposed......jk

I have been following your System I & II, been using it since then, but needed further improvement.

I will be waiting for your wisdom and teaching, thus further enchanced my trading skill.

God Bless Your Health !!!
Winston
 
 
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  •  pressok
  • | Joined Oct 2009 | Status: Member | 105 Posts
does this work on any pair ? i'm learning trade nake chart~ simple n easy~!
 
 
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  •  tubguy
  • | Joined Sep 2009 | Status: Member | 1,227 Posts
Good to see you back in action Feb. Looking forward to System III.
 
 
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  •  feb2865
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Jun 2006 | 1,578 Posts
Thank you guys!!

Need to know that turning points and past reference are normally uneven. There's not exactly perfect on price. Look for areas.
As for targets, I forgot to mention that I don't look for the exact turning point but I leave some room just in case. I can't tell you in matter of pips . You just avoid be the last soul to leave the train .
Peace
 
 
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  •  Joeyd
  • | Joined Jul 2009 | Status: Member | 125 Posts
Great to hear from you again. I was just thinking the other day that you had mentioned a while back that you might bring us a 30min. routine. Thanks.
 
 
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  •  feb2865
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Jun 2006 | 1,578 Posts
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Great to hear from you again. I was just thinking the other day that you had mentioned a while back that you might bring us a 30min. routine. Thanks.
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I've been thinking about this for a long time. I've been trading for about a week already and it's comfortable for me.

I will be posting some trades on Monday and hopefully we can add more people to the mix.
Peace
 
 
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  • Feb 26, 2010 2:39pm Feb 26, 2010 2:39pm
  •  Porkpie
  • Joined Mar 2007 | Status: Member | 1,142 Posts
Nice one Feb

I trade these levels but using a slightly different criteria such as looking at the strength of the previous move, which will weed out some of the losers (IMO). Depending on the strength of the move I either place a limit order or I zoom into the lower time frame to guage my entry in relation to price action and get in with a market order.

I also look at multiple time frame levels so if I have a 60 min supply level very near a daily demand level I avoid the 60 min trade.

Do you consider how many times a level has been tested already? I find if it has been tested say more than 3 times it begins to weaken and is less likely to be profitable.

One thing I don't do is take a previous level where price has already driven through it - something for me to look at (stats wise - don't worry I won't bore you with it), thanks.
 
 
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  •  HouseTrader
  • | Joined Mar 2008 | Status: ... I was aiming at the horse! | 947 Posts
Quoting feb2865
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Ok….those who know me knows (isn’t that redundancy?)...
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Hey, feb... could anyone make an EA for this??

Oh no!!!.. just kidding....

Good to see you around!

Got my eyes on (as SI and SII)...

To those who may seek for a way to see S/R zones... A tip that worked for me on early days... how to spot the "turning points".... in MT4 switch the chart from candlestick/bars to LINE... it's a cleaner view.. search for those sharp "V"s.... that's it... draw the lines... the switch back to your prefered kind...

Cheers!

HT
Many share my views with me. But I don't share them with them...
 
 
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  • Feb 26, 2010 3:07pm Feb 26, 2010 3:07pm
  •  feb2865
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Jun 2006 | 1,578 Posts
Quoting Porkpie
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Nice one Feb

I trade these levels but using a slightly different criteria such as looking at the strength of the previous move, which will weed out some of the losers (IMO). Depending on the strength of the move I either place a limit order or I zoom into the lower time frame to guage my entry in relation to price action and get in with a market order.

I also look at multiple time frame levels so if I have a 60 min supply level very near a daily demand level I avoid the 60 min trade....
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I don't look at any other timeframe. Just what I have in front of me. Makes my trading simpler. I tell you one thing, there's no way to measure weakness or strength that is a myth. The market is simply a collective state of mind and honestly you have no clue on what's gonna happen next nor your next trade is gonna be successful or not. Even volume is deceiving.

Timeframes are just a way to get things organized. If you're going to measure the market on a timebase then you need to go all the way down to the ticks.

Charts, timeframes, candlesticks, lines etc - are just made for the eyes of the beholder. The market won't show it's hands until the move has already pass. This is why trading is difficult. It's all about probabilities.

In my time, back in the 80's, you just have half of a pencil (with no eraser) and a blank piece of paper...the rest was up to you...

There's a balance of control between risk and caution on this game. The good thing is that you have complete control over the risk. Of course if you know what your doing management wise. But if you're too cautious then you won't have consistency . You must take risk but make sure where your limits are. Trying to avoid losing is the main reason why some sort of traders are basically at the starting point by the end of the month....that's not consistency that's a waste of time..
Peace
 
 
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  • Feb 26, 2010 3:12pm Feb 26, 2010 3:12pm
  •  feb2865
  • | Commercial Member | Joined Jun 2006 | 1,578 Posts
Quoting HouseTrader
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Hey, feb... could anyone make an EA for this??

Oh no!!!.. just kidding....

Good to see you around!

Got my eyes on (as SI and SII)...

To those who may seek for a way to see S/R zones... A tip that worked for me on early days... how to spot the "turning points".... in MT4 switch the chart from candlestick/bars to LINE... it's a cleaner view.. search for those sharp "V"s.... that's it... draw the lines... the switch back to your prefered kind...

Cheers!

HT
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oh yeaH that's a good one Doc!!!

Good thing about line charts you don't have to deal with this red-blue up and down thing that candlestick/bar shows

In other words you don't trade on your toes.

How are your patients treating ya!!??
Peace
 
 
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  •  Porkpie
  • Joined Mar 2007 | Status: Member | 1,142 Posts
Quoting HouseTrader
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Hey, feb... could anyone make an EA for this??

Oh no!!!.. just kidding....

Good to see you around!

Got my eyes on (as SI and SII)...

To those who may seek for a way to see S/R zones... A tip that worked for me on early days... how to spot the "turning points".... in MT4 switch the chart from candlestick/bars to LINE... it's a cleaner view.. search for those sharp "V"s.... that's it... draw the lines... the switch back to your prefered kind...

Cheers!

HT
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hmmmmm

Problem with that is, you might get a period of consolidation at a level and then a very strong move down. Whilst I agree with you that the best turning points are those that spend the least time at a level before turning, a strong move out of consolidation can sometimes make up for the indecision at an area to be a good probability trade set up when price returns to that level.

Another thing that came to mind is that when I see two areas stacked close together, I usually find the one furthest away is the stronger level to take eg, if it is a demand zone, some of the buyers have already been taken out by some sellers at the lower level, so when it gets to the level above it there are less buyers to contend with. Also, your risk reward is better with the furthest level.

FEB: Thanks for your comments, I'll take them on-board. Looking forward to more of your wisdom.
 
 
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  •  HouseTrader
  • | Joined Mar 2008 | Status: ... I was aiming at the horse! | 947 Posts
Quoting feb2865
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oh yeaH that's a good one Doc!!!

Good thing about line charts you don't have to deal with this red-blue up and down thing that candlestick/bar shows

In other words you don't trade on your toes.

How are your patients treating ya!!??
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Damn... they ask me to prescribe that nasty medicine I take.... but I'm evil... I keep giving them water pills....

Just don't know why they don't come back....

Cheers!
Many share my views with me. But I don't share them with them...
 
 
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  •  Pippopotamus
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Zig-Zag to show turning points?
Vincit qui se vincit.
 
 
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  •  feb2865
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Quoting Pippopotamus
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Zig-Zag to show turning points?
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Just your set of eyes.
Peace
 
 
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  • Feb 26, 2010 3:51pm Feb 26, 2010 3:51pm
  •  feb2865
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I quit trading for today - my short trade was going well..

So far I had a great week. I got one loser today - but I recoup some of that money.

Don't like to leave trades hanging for the weekend...

I am used to fast pace environment. 30 min charts is soooo slow, but is good for me so I'll stick with that.
Peace
 
 
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  • Feb 26, 2010 3:55pm Feb 26, 2010 3:55pm
  •  auxesis
  • Joined Apr 2007 | Status: (Latin: statūs), rank, state | 3,185 Posts
I haven't read through your other threads so this may be answered already

Playing the devils advocate for a minute, S/R in a range will yield a good supply of Ping-Pong trades back and forth between levels, but on the run no level is safe. Are you looking for a bounce and retest of these areas before entering, or smaller timeframe PA around them as confirmation there's buyers/sellers in the vicinity?

regards
 
 
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  •  mistersimple
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Quoting feb2865
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I don't look at any other timeframe. Just what I have in front of me. Makes my trading simpler. I tell you one thing, there's no way to measure weakness or strength that is a myth. The market is simply a collective state of mind and honestly you have no clue on what's gonna happen next nor your next trade is gonna be successful or not. Even volume is deceiving.
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Volume is just a big LOL!!

Ok what about the angle? a normal trend is 45, isnt it? maybe this is the strength of the move?
what about long/short ratios? how many pairs is optimal to avoid missing ... 1 is poor... 2 is ok but wanna more... and then ' here comes the cocaine man...'

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There's a balance of control between risk and caution on this game. The good thing is that you have complete control over the risk. Of course if you know what your doing management wise. But if you're too cautious then you won't have consistency . You must take risk but make sure where your limits are. Trying to avoid losing is the main reason why some sort of traders are basically at the starting point by the end of the month....that's not consistency that's a waste of time.

like wasting your time in online poker tournaments
thnks for your posts
 
 
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  • Feb 26, 2010 4:02pm Feb 26, 2010 4:02pm
  •  SomTam
  • | Joined Apr 2008 | Status: Scalper | 130 Posts
Working fine in short time frame 10sec to 1 min.

First years ago i did try short time scalping and ouch not worked
I just did buy when move already happened and too late.

Then more years i did try with longer time frames.
Outch too often market turn away and stop hitted.

Then i slowly started to keep winning side but just a liten.

About 1 moth ago i stardet again now after many years
look short times and scalping....and wow look like its working now.

So if want to learn turning points this could be thread to read
weekend coming good time to read over 3000 post.

And realise that short time scalping is actually short time
just few hours per day and done.

And possibly to use bigger risk with tide 4 to 6 stops
and really start to grow account.

-> http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=187854
 
 
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