Prop Firm Hub 2.0 | Page 241 | Forex Factory

Options

Go to
Permalinks
Print Thread

Featured US Prop Firms

Similar Threads

Prop Firm Hub 51,743 replies

Anyone trading with a Prop firm 31 replies

ERP Prop Firm Journey 4 replies

Prop Firm Hub POLL 43 replies

prop firm new model - my trading journey 871 replies

Attachments: Prop Firm Hub 2.0
Exit Attachments

Prop Firm Hub 2.0

  • #4,801
  • Apr 4, 2026 2:19am Apr 4, 2026 2:19am
Quoting heispark
So you guys also agree that prop firm businesses are by nature designed for gamblers using high leverages. Alpine Trader once said his accounts never have survived more than 100 days... For average, conservative traders using reasonable leverages don't need their services. Make sense?
Prop is just unregulated exchange with very small margin requirement needed to trade.
Gamblers or not, question is who big margin people are willing to put up to start trading.
And most people are always looking for easier option, smaller margin and preferable zero commissions.

Money moves always from person to person, from loser to winner.
Yes Exchange takes a cut. Regulated exchange like CME takes a exchange fee and so does the prop take eval fee.

Route of money

Person A -> CME -> Person B
Person A -> Prop -> Person B

Prop is just a service provided and as people pay for less for it then risk are also bigger.
Prop may run out of money, may change rules as the like...
I might be wrong , I have been wrong before
  • #4,802
  • Apr 4, 2026 8:23am Apr 4, 2026 8:23am
You must view prop trading as ROI on money invested, not retrun on the account itself.
For example, I pay $100 for an eval and take a 1.2:1 trade (make 3K on 2500 risk). I now have $2,500 DD (or 2K, depends on the firm). That $100 in a personal account with a 1.2:1 trade yields me $120, so now I have $220. That is 2400% ROI vs 120% ROI. You can now trade micros very conservatively with $2500.
However, if you wish to gamble, you can be aggressive to get paid quickly, but I hope everyone is understanding the math.
In it's simplest form, take 2 traders, both with a 10K roll. One risks 1% per trade ($100) on a personal account, the other risks 1% ($100) per prop eval.
Both execute the same R;R trades, who will have the higher ROI on the 10K?
This math does not even factor the scaling of payouts funding further evals nor the ability to copy trade 20, 30, hell Monty was at 70-80 at his peak.
Once you understand the math in this way, the props will generate ROIs in the 1000's, perhaps even 10000's
  • #4,803
  • Apr 4, 2026 1:33pm Apr 4, 2026 1:33pm
Quoting pipmaster77
You must view prop trading as ROI on money invested, not retrun on the account itself. For example, I pay $100 for an eval and take a 1.2:1 trade (make 3K on 2500 risk). I now have $2,500 DD (or 2K, depends on the firm). That $100 in a personal account with a 1.2:1 trade yields me $120, so now I have $220. That is 2400% ROI vs 120% ROI. You can now trade micros very conservatively with $2500. However, if you wish to gamble, you can be aggressive to get paid quickly, but I hope everyone is understanding the math. In it's simplest form, take 2 traders,...
how would factoring in paying for 3 to pass 1 (avg pass rate is <20%) and doing 150% DD to pass affect the math
  • #4,804
  • Apr 4, 2026 3:02pm Apr 4, 2026 3:02pm
Quoting CableJ
{quote} how would factoring in paying for 3 to pass 1 (avg pass rate is <20%) and doing 150% DD to pass affect the math
So it would run you $300 to pass, have access to 2K-2500 in DD. 150% ROI on $300 in personal would yield $450, giving you $750.
This then validates the point you made earlier, a losing trader in a personal account could still be profitable in prop. If you are only winning 33% of your trades in personal, obviously not making money.
  • #4,805
  • Apr 4, 2026 5:50pm Apr 4, 2026 5:50pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} So it would run you $300 to pass, have access to 2K-2500 in DD. 150% ROI on $300 in personal would yield $450, giving you $750. This then validates the point you made earlier, a losing trader in a personal account could still be profitable in prop. If you are only winning 33% of your trades in personal, obviously not making money.
you have always been at the opposite end of the risk spectrum compared to monty... are you implementing a more aggressive plan these days across various props? I'm around 4 losses to bust with evals & 8 losses to bust with funded these days.
  • #4,806
  • Apr 4, 2026 8:27pm Apr 4, 2026 8:27pm
Quoting CableJ
{quote} you have always been at the opposite end of the risk spectrum compared to monty... are you implementing a more aggressive plan these days across various props? I'm around 4 losses to bust with evals & 8 losses to bust with funded these days.
great approach… as i always preach and implement i do minute scalping till 800-1000$ and then risk everything for a single shot trade either my way for breakway… works really well with 50k easier higher chances of passing… for funded same approach first 2 days aim for 1000-1500 a days either blow or croah threshold in first two days then go slow…. The thing i realised 400-600$ a day for 7-8 days to get apex payout sound easy on paper and hard to implement. Its like a slow death with days wasted.
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #4,807
  • Apr 4, 2026 11:14pm Apr 4, 2026 11:14pm
in this World of Trading, We should not forget The Main Things besides all kind of Risk Ratio...That is...Good Entry.
Without that..You would stumbles with Win Lose cycles from time to time.

Trader should avoid Luck Things, instead Perfect entries
97% traders failed and keep trying because had small history of Win
Holy Betting Grail strategy
  • #4,808
  • Apr 5, 2026 12:30am Apr 5, 2026 12:30am
Achieved 150k payout from FTMO in less than a year. Now eyeing for 500 by the end of this year and will share my result if i achieved the target.
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: platinum-overall-payouts (2).jpeg Size: 36 KB
  • #4,809
  • Apr 5, 2026 12:31am Apr 5, 2026 12:31am
Quoting fxcontest
in this World of Trading, We should not forget The Main Things besides all kind of Risk Ratio...That is...Good Entry. Without that..You would stumbles with Win Lose cycles from time to time. Trader should avoid Luck Things, instead Perfect entries 97% traders failed and keep trying because had small history of Win
please can you suggest some good prop firms? Before you gave me a suggestion regarding firms that proved to be really valuable.
  • #4,810
  • Apr 5, 2026 1:48am Apr 5, 2026 1:48am
Quoting rehmatkhan00
{quote} please can you suggest some good prop firms? Before you gave me a suggestion regarding firms that proved to be really valuable.
Monty already mention it, propfirm that really Pay
Holy Betting Grail strategy
  • #4,811
  • Apr 5, 2026 2:32am Apr 5, 2026 2:32am
Quoting rehmatkhan00
Achieved 150k payout from FTMO in less than a year. Now eyeing for 500 by the end of this year and will share my result if i achieved the target. {image}
not bad and congratulation for good work , already around a level of income to live from! depends of your costs for get this wins, costs of living, how big is your family and tax costs of course.
win from 6 figure level / year (for some cheaper living cost area and as single can be also 5 figure values already) start to get already in profitable level for invested time in most cases.
  • #4,812
  • Apr 5, 2026 8:24am Apr 5, 2026 8:24am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} Nope not a signal service.... Trade advisor - Think less. Trade better... Key features - Give trade advise with details (signal, during the trade how its performing and what to do breakeven, trail etc), prop firm integration means manages the drawdown i.e EOD or trailing, prop specific rules, intelligence brain learns the way you trade and provide you clear cut specific things, integrated risk management for evals and funded....
Do I need to sign up for this as someone intereted?
  • #4,813
  • Apr 5, 2026 8:32am Apr 5, 2026 8:32am
Quoting Hirajaved
If a firm suspects something is wrong, transparency and clear action would be better than letting it play out like that.

I also agree.

There may be a small, hardcore group of Libertarian-leaning people who hate the idea of regulation so much that they instinctively take the side of anyone who has a run-in with a couple of different countries’ regulators, but it’s not too easy to see who else would knowingly choose a "slip them to hell" company?
  • #4,814
  • Apr 5, 2026 9:47am Apr 5, 2026 9:47am
Quoting fxcontest
in this World of Trading, We should not forget The Main Things besides all kind of Risk Ratio...That is...Good Entry. Without that..You would stumbles with Win Lose cycles from time to time. Trader should avoid Luck Things, instead Perfect entries 97% traders failed and keep trying because had small history of Win
And there’s the rub. For the majority, a lot of mental energy is spent on daydreaming of potential earnings, rather then the ability to close winning trades consistently at least 60% of the time.
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #4,815
  • Apr 5, 2026 9:51am Apr 5, 2026 9:51am
Quoting BrokerChoker
{quote} I also agree. There may be a small, hardcore group of Libertarian-leaning people who hate the idea of regulation so much that they instinctively take the side of anyone who has a run-in with a couple of different countries’ regulators, but it’s not too easy to see who else would knowingly choose a "slip them to hell" company?
Regulators had their shot at MFF. Both American and Canadian.

There’s a reason why it all fell apart and they had to drop all charges against them.

“Slipping to hell” had very little to do with what they were charged with as well.
Trade with confidence, trade without fear.
  • #4,816
  • Apr 5, 2026 10:16am Apr 5, 2026 10:16am
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Regulators had their shot at MFF. Both American and Canadian. There’s a reason why it all fell apart and they had to drop all charges against them. “Slipping to hell” had very little to do with what they were charged with as well.
and, for clarity, once again, it was one group they "slipped to hell". In 2.5 years, the CFTC could not produce ONE SINGLE customer complaint against MFF.
The "slip them to hell" was reported by an internal whistleblower....who, I am 100% certain, if we were to dig deep enough, was compensated by the CFTC.
  • #4,817
  • Apr 5, 2026 10:30am Apr 5, 2026 10:30am
Quoting CableJ
{quote} you have always been at the opposite end of the risk spectrum compared to monty... are you implementing a more aggressive plan these days across various props? I'm around 4 losses to bust with evals & 8 losses to bust with funded these days.
On evals, yes 25% risk, so $500-600 to make the same....of course, I'll try to get trades to BE, let them run for bigger gains, etc...depending on the firm's consistency rules, min trading days, etc.
On funded, still ultra-conservative, I trade 1-2 micros, generally MYM and MES only, as even MNQ and MGC tend to be too risky. Was trading the 1OZ (3-4) as it is 1/10th of micro on Gold. However, not all firms allow it and tradesyncer cannot copy it.
Past year, I have really been focused on the 3 Darwinex accounts. However, I am ramping up prop again with the technology to copy multiple accounts at multiple firms through tradesyncer. Goal is $50-100 per day copied accross 50 accounts....let whoever wants to move me to live, I'm fine with it.
Probably going to fire up FTMO again and trade the index CFDs and Gold there, now that, as you pointed out, the leverage supports it.
FYI, for everyone, the FTMO-US now also has standard and swing (this is new)....leverage is only 15:1 on swing and news and weekend holding are not available on standard.
Ultimate gola is still 10 Mil AUM with Darwinex as that is just like trading a personal account and 2% monthly will yield 30K per month.
  • #4,818
  • Apr 5, 2026 11:05am Apr 5, 2026 11:05am
Quoting Hirajaved
If a firm suspects something is wrong, transparency and clear action would be better than letting it play out like that.
-To a point, yes. Certainly, any firm should investigate until they know, definitively, before taking action, but I suspect that MFF knew.

I personally have nothing against any firm, regardless; I understand the game. These remote props are all like casinos to me; they will kick you out as soon you show any sign of an edge. Traders should mitigate their risks accordingly.
  • #4,819
  • Apr 5, 2026 12:46pm Apr 5, 2026 12:46pm
Quoting Nsak3y
they will kick you out as soon you show any sign of an edge.

So how did Rehmat Khan get the $150,000 shown on the previous page, then? And how is Montygoldy making so much, from so many firms?
  • #4,820
  • Apr 5, 2026 1:11pm Apr 5, 2026 1:11pm
Quoting BrokerChoker
{quote} So how did Rehmat Khan get the $150,000 shown on the previous page, then? And how is Montygoldy making so much, from so many firms?
Point is trade fair and square and follow all the rules... A firm cannot kick you out....

My money is measly if you check on X people are pulling so much more than that
Extreme gut feeling trader
12 traders viewing now, 1 is registered: