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  • Jan 23, 2010 6:40am Jan 23, 2010 6:40am
  •  MissPips
  • Joined Jul 2008 | Status: #welcomebackGator | 2,418 Posts
Here is my latest rainbow template. I replaced the MAs which were only approximate with the T3 5m and T3 15 min indies that someone kindly shared. These replicate the higher tf corals more accurately on the 1m chart.

I also redid the colors (this rainbow is named after Bemac because he was the first one to think of using variable MAs - brilliant idea but the original color scheme was really ugly), and I changed some of the lower MAs to be more like the Guppy MAs so you can see the turn better. The dark gold is like the fast guppy and the green between the blue lines is like the slow guppy. The light gold is like the distance between the fast and slow guppies( so you can gauge how it is behaving). This is approximate because these MAs are not exactly like the guppies, but I find this setup as useful as the guppies, maybe even more so because of how the VarMAs behave.

About the entries on that post - yes, that was not coincidental. Those were the 6 point entries.

If you take the 6 point entries, you are getting in when the 1m fast trix and the 5m fast trix have just changed color. You will usually get good trend entries if you also take only the 6 point entries that

- are in line with the Rainbow direction (i.e green entries when rainbow is going up, red when it is going down).
- are the first one or two waves of the 1m fast trix after the 5m fast trix has just changed color
-have a nice indentation of the rainbow (retrace) with reasonably moderate price bars forming a nice arch or double arches at that point.
- are free of divergence on the previous peak or forming divergence

If I want to do countertrend divergence trades I also look at the state of the rainbow. That is, I will only do these trades when the rainbow is either choppy or near the end of the daily range or a major support resistance AND also is very over extended.

The conclusion I have come to is that contrary to how it feels when you are doing it, you are really safest trading at the extremes. That is, you are safest trading when the rainbow has compacted and is just coming out of an arch, as long as you are trading in the direction of the trend and catching a new wave.

Or you are the safest trading when there is a divergence and the rainbow has been extremely overextended, and is starting to contract away from whatever support or resistence caused the divergence. This is a lot tricker though because you have to be careful not to do this in a strong trend. You always know how far the rainbow can contract (that is it can contract right back to the middle and even if you misjudged and price overshoots and the rainbow flips as though to start a trend on the other side when it gets that compressed it will usually chop around and touch the middle again at least once before it takes off so you can get out) but you never know how far it can extend. As tempting as it is to call the bottom, you can be right only once, and wrong with each new wave down. Whereas if you are trading price coming out of a contraction of a wave in the direction of the trend you can be right many times (with each new higher or lower wave) and wrong only once. Therefore to trade countertrend you need a good reason.

About fibs, I know that the fib on the last swing down on the weekly works really well so far. About the daily ones what I do is put a likely looking one on my chart and then I watch to see what happens. If it provides support resistance for a few tests and retest then I know I got it right (saw what the majority did) and I can use it for the future (until it wears out of course). I've posted two that seem to be working well now in my recent posts.

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Hi MissPips - I'm just reading back through your posts in order to gain from your wisdom. I'm wondering which MA's on the template represent the 15m coral and the 30m coral? I'm using the Rainbowanalysis3a template.

Perhaps if you wouldn't mind sharing your latest template that would be great - I notice you've rearranged it a bit and have changed the colours of some of the MAs to make it easier to read.

Thanks again!

Edit: Actually the MAs on my template don't seem to line up with yours. The rainbow looks quite a bit different for...
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  • Jan 23, 2010 7:20am Jan 23, 2010 7:20am
  •  pawpaw1000
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Quoting traco1
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Which time frames ? Because I started doing something similar earlier this week and had some success.
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Hi there,

I used the 5min tf but always verify on the other tf's. Have you used thv and what success have you had. I still use the template from the first page and have found it to be the best by far. Cobra has really done a good job with this and miss pips lights also help alot...

am thinking of trying ozfx daily system at the same time to maximize profits while reducing the urge to 'have to' trade when I dont find a good setup...

Let me know what you think and have found...
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  • Jan 23, 2010 8:31am Jan 23, 2010 8:31am
  •  pawpaw1000
  • Joined Jan 2010 | Status: No Hope for FF | 3,772 Posts
Hi all,

I'm one of the new guys in this thread and it is really a struggle to go through over 1000 pages to catch up so was wandering if we could put a kind of BREAK here where someone explains what has happened so far in the thread. For example it starts with the first page where I have downloaded all the indicators and templates etc.

There was then talk of other tf's and so someone posted templates for 30min and 1hr which I also downloaded. There was then talk of changing some indicators and also something like swissarmy?

understand what I mean? This way when new people join they can be pointed to this post and be able to continue from there?

It's just a request to someone who might have time on their hands and who have been here for most of the thread???

well, still loving the system and the thread! thanks all...
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  • Edited at 10:06am Jan 23, 2010 9:52am | Edited at 10:06am
  •  cigarguy
  • Joined Jan 2007 | Status: Senior Member | 6,506 Posts
[quote=MissPips;3394345]Here is my latest rainbow template. I replaced the MAs which were only approximate with the T3 5m and T3 15 min indies that someone kindly shared. These replicate the higher tf corals more accurately on the 1m chart.

Thank you for your indies and explanation. I downloaded the template and indies but the rainbow did not appear.

Maybe I misunderstood the indies included in your tpl. I was looking forward to seeing the changes you made to Bemac's Var Ma rainbow. I have been using it for some time but I love your work!

EDIT: Oops! reloaded the tpl a 2nd time and the rainbow appeared. Sorry about that !




Thank You and Regards,

Cigarguy
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  • Jan 23, 2010 10:10am Jan 23, 2010 10:10am
  •  pawpaw1000
  • Joined Jan 2010 | Status: No Hope for FF | 3,772 Posts
wanna add a 89sma to my macd (not thv, longer term system).

I know I should propably not ask this here but seeing as I'm part of this thread I thought I'd just ask...

Want to have the normal macd with a sma running through the middle...

sorry for the off topic post guys.
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  • Jan 23, 2010 11:33am Jan 23, 2010 11:33am
  •  MissPips
  • Joined Jul 2008 | Status: #welcomebackGator | 2,418 Posts
As far as I know the material on the first pages is all up to date, except that on the MTF templates there seems to be a mistake in the configuration of the second histogram in the templates on the first page (unless it's been corrected)
The second histogram is just a repeat of the first. Instead it should use the following trixes:

15m s
30m f
30 m s
60m f

All the other variations in the thread are just people who have personalized THV to suit their style sharing it.

For example : The swiss army histogram is just an improved version of the Mtf histogram, but can be used exactly like the MTF Trix histograms that come with V4, except the alarm is better. Since it includes other indicators besides the Trix you can also set it to get an alarm when your favorite combination comes up (for example - Trix cross, PA above/below cloud, PA above/below coral and 5m f trix in the direction of the trade. Or just the first three conditions without the fourth).


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Hi all,

I'm one of the new guys in this thread and it is really a struggle to go through over 1000 pages to catch up so was wandering if we could put a kind of BREAK here where someone explains what has happened so far in the thread. For example it starts with the first page where I have downloaded all the indicators and templates etc.

There was then talk of other tf's and so someone posted templates for 30min and 1hr which I also downloaded. There was then talk of changing some indicators and also something like swissarmy?

understand what...
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  • Jan 23, 2010 1:32pm Jan 23, 2010 1:32pm
  •  pawpaw1000
  • Joined Jan 2010 | Status: No Hope for FF | 3,772 Posts
thanks miss pipss!

I'll correct the tf's because mine is still wrong

thanks soo much!
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  • Jan 23, 2010 2:09pm Jan 23, 2010 2:09pm
  •  4xtom
  • | Joined May 2008 | Status: Member | 36 Posts
Hello MissPips,

Is there any post or place where I can read about your basic trading rules based on tour template. What you base your entries and exits on. Besides the obvious THV rules and hist., just want to understand how you use the rainbow to help you to decide your entries and exits.

Thank you very much,
Tom

Quoting MissPips
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As far as I know the material on the first pages is all up to date, except that on the MTF templates there seems to be a mistake in the configuration of the second histogram in the templates on the first page (unless it's been corrected)
The second histogram is just a repeat of the first. Instead it should use the following trixes:

15m s
30m f
30 m s
60m f

All the other variations in the thread are just people who have personalized THV to suit their style sharing it.

For example : The swiss army histogram is just an improved version of the...
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  • Jan 23, 2010 2:59pm Jan 23, 2010 2:59pm
  •  AQs
  • | Joined Dec 2009 | Status: Member | 109 Posts
OT: What speed connection I gotta have to scalp with this system (or to scalp in general)? 2Mb is good?
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  • Jan 23, 2010 3:15pm Jan 23, 2010 3:15pm
  •  cigarguy
  • Joined Jan 2007 | Status: Senior Member | 6,506 Posts
[quote=4xtom;3394762]Hello MissPips,

Is there any post or place where I can read about your basic trading rules based on tour template. What you base your entries and exits on. Besides the obvious THV rules and hist., just want to understand how you use the rainbow to help you to decide your entries and exits.

Thank you very much,
Tom[/

Sent you a PM. Please check your pm mail.

Thank You and Regards,
Cigarguy
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  • Jan 23, 2010 3:19pm Jan 23, 2010 3:19pm
  •  traco1
  • | Joined Feb 2009 | Status: In Profit | 936 Posts
Quoting pawpaw1000
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Hi there,

I used the 5min tf but always verify on the other tf's. Have you used thv and what success have you had. I still use the template from the first page and have found it to be the best by far. Cobra has really done a good job with this and miss pips lights also help alot...

am thinking of trying ozfx daily system at the same time to maximize profits while reducing the urge to 'have to' trade when I dont find a good setup...

Let me know what you think and have found...
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1, 5 and 15 with the dashboard by strat and nobs system, this week was decent, i hate watching the screen all day though my eyes are starting to hurt. But it requires attention to detail.
Look at something long enough, you will eventually get it. :thumbsup:
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  •  MissPips
  • Joined Jul 2008 | Status: #welcomebackGator | 2,418 Posts
I use a few strategies with the rainbow-

1) Either regular Thv cross or 6 point trend entries in the direction of the rainbow after the rainbow flips and price makes 3 higher highs or lower lows to establish a trend. After the flip and the 3 higher highs or lower lows I take the next THV cross or 6 lights trade, as long as there is 10 pips of room for the trade to move before it hits a pivot or something I know is a strong resistance.

That's described in these posts:

11913, 11943, 12041,12466,12445,
12467,12469,12478,12515,12613.

Those are the safest in my opinion and also very easy to monitor because you get lots of warning when one is coming. When I am feeling lazy (like most of the summer) these are the only trades I do.

2) 6 lights entries as described in the manual on page 1, except that I now limit them to either trend entries only in the same direction as the rainbow (i.e a don't take a 6 point short when the rainbow is up unless its a divergence trade) or to taking divergence trades when the rainbow looks choppy or over extended. I do fewer of these because they are riskier, so I wait until I see price bouncing off something that has a good record of working, or until I see around 4 divergences in a row on the 1m tf or a divergence on the 1m tf and also a divergence on a higher tf.

These 6 point trades (both types - trend and divergence) require you to pay a LOT of attention to what you are doing because you always have to be aware of divergence and potential divergence, and whether the market is in a strong trend ( and if so, where you are in the trend), a counter trend ( i.e a trend but one that is part of a retracement of the major trend) or just chopping around. I tend to do more of these in the winter and early spring, when I find it easier to concentrate.


[quote=cigarguy;3394831]
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Hello MissPips,

Is there any post or place where I can read about your basic trading rules based on tour template. What you base your entries and exits on. Besides the obvious THV rules and hist., just want to understand how you use the rainbow to help you to decide your entries and exits.

Thank you very much,
Tom[/

Sent you a PM. Please check your pm mail.

Thank You and Regards,
Cigarguy
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  • Jan 23, 2010 4:30pm Jan 23, 2010 4:30pm
  •  Nobitacu
  • Joined Jul 2007 | Status: Just Another Trader | 836 Posts
Quoting holyshock
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Hi Nobitacu.
I'm studying the pivot sttting. I can see 2 files under the expertsindicators directory just after installed the "THV V4 final.exe" in page 1. If now to use the newest TzPivotsd mq4 files, I wonder if only need to download the 2 files as you attached here and put them under expertsindicators ? No need to change their names?
I wonder this just because I analysed the tpl file but found only the calling for THV4 TzPivotsD (Black) expert but without TzPivotsd V3 etc.
Thanks.
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Yup, those are the only two files you need for the pivots, however, you'll need to removed the older indicator off you chart and then put these two newer ones onto your chart.
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  • Jan 23, 2010 5:30pm Jan 23, 2010 5:30pm
  •  Nobitacu
  • Joined Jul 2007 | Status: Just Another Trader | 836 Posts
Quoting LT man
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It's your choice.
For example: when you got SELL signal on M5, M15 Fast trix MUST BE RED. If it will become red after some candles it's wrong signal for me.
One more thing about your sell trade on M5. It was too late. All conditions must agree between 2-3 candles. If it's 4-5 candles between all confirmations it's wrong signal. I always did this mistake, while Nobitacu explained it for me. This info is in Nobitacu trading rules, but I didn't think it's too important. Now I am trading just with this rule.
Buy signal on M5 was perfect, because...
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Yup, LT man trades this method better than I do actually haha.
You're also right about the M5 trades, and I'm going to do the same as well and not enter the M5 trades anymore. Basically, as you've mentioned, when the M5 confirms, most of time the M1 too already confirmed for the same movement early, which means if you catch that M1, you would have gotten in at a better and safer price, and would have skipped the M5 that gets confirmed at a later time anyways.
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  • Jan 23, 2010 6:02pm Jan 23, 2010 6:02pm
  •  yesbee1
  • | Joined Dec 2009 | Status: Member | 107 Posts
Hi Nobitacu,
It seems you are testing a slightly different method (with the dashboard, and multi tf support/resitance) than the one you are using. It seems you had good success with your existing rules. Any specific reason why you are testing this new method as opposed to the current one? Thank you.

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Sorry guys, I didn't trade today because I was setting up Stratman's Dashboard with my setup and was fooling around with it, I finally got everything fitted onto my screen the way I wanted. I simply used "THV3 Trix for MTFHisto" indicator and I was able to get everything to fit since I can get rid of that gray area on the right. Now I'm going to start test trading and then if goes well, might simply start using less and less indicators on my chart. I will just need to get a hang of using the dashboard effectively. I also put higher time frame...
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  •  Nobitacu
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Quoting yesbee1
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Hi Nobitacu,
It seems you are testing a slightly different method (with the dashboard, and multi tf support/resitance) than the one you are using. It seems you had good success with your existing rules. Any specific reason why you are testing this new method as opposed to the current one? Thank you.
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Simply so I can find more possible good entrances, that's all. I'm still using the same method as before along side with all this new testing based off of Stratman's dashboard, so no worries ^^. Here's my final charts setup, where I'll update the fibo and lines drawn on the bottom 4 charts when it needs to. The time error on the dashboard... I'm guessing it's because the market's closed, since it was working fine Friday.
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  • Jan 23, 2010 6:08pm Jan 23, 2010 6:08pm
  •  vasi
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Quoting MissPips
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Here is my latest rainbow template. I replaced the MAs which were only approximate with the T3 5m and T3 15 min indies that someone kindly shared. These replicate the higher tf corals more accurately on the 1m chart.

I also redid the colors (this rainbow is named after Bemac because he was the first one to think of using variable MAs - brilliant idea but the original color scheme was really ugly), and I changed some of the lower MAs to be more like the Guppy MAs so you can see the turn better. The dark gold is like the fast guppy and the green...
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This system could be a variant of a new THV 5?

PS For me you are The Queen Pips !
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  • Jan 23, 2010 6:29pm Jan 23, 2010 6:29pm
  •  traco1
  • | Joined Feb 2009 | Status: In Profit | 936 Posts
Quoting Nobitacu
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Simply so I can find more possible good entrances, that's all. I'm still using the same method as before along side with all this new testing based off of Stratman's dashboard, so no worries ^^. Here's my final charts setup, where I'll update the fibo and lines drawn on the bottom 4 charts when it needs to. The time error on the dashboard... I'm guessing it's because the market's closed, since it was working fine Friday.
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Is that standard MT4 fibs or indicator ?
Look at something long enough, you will eventually get it. :thumbsup:
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  • Jan 23, 2010 6:32pm Jan 23, 2010 6:32pm
  •  Nobitacu
  • Joined Jul 2007 | Status: Just Another Trader | 836 Posts
Quoting traco1
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Is that standard MT4 fibs or indicator ?
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Standard MT4 fibo. I like to draw them myself than to use an indicator for the fibos.
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  •  Buildcity
  • Joined Jan 2010 | Status: Yet to replace my suit in black.... | 3,268 Posts
Just read through this thread up to P.1000 (about 10 days spent!!). Another 500 to go. Cheers
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