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  • #73,861
  • Jun 30, 2014 11:04am Jun 30, 2014 11:04am
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  • #73,862
  • Edited 12:00pm Jun 30, 2014 11:18am | Edited 12:00pm
Quoting feinan
{quote} it is bullish after all.. feinan {image}
Indeed it is.

The Robber Bank MMs totally control prices except when central banks might intervene, but even then the Robber Bank MMs are told in advance what the central banks intend to do, so that the Robber Bank MMs can "adjust" and make a profit out of it. The central banks, deciding they need to do something, still do not want the Robber Bank MMs to go belly up and cause DISRUPTION OF A MULTI-TRILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY!

The Robber Bank MMs know where all the orders are. They decide which direction they will take the price, hence they decide in which order pending orders will be reached and executed, and maybe later stopped out too. They decide the movement of price and have total control over it. This is why indicators do not work. Indicators have no way of determining what the Robber Bank MMs will decide to do next.

Significant activity around key S/R is the best clue we have, but even that often requires confirmation from following price action. If there is any indicator that has real value, it is volume - or broker tick volume in this case. Volume is the only indicator that can reveal what price areas the Robber Bank MMs are placing their own bets on, even though they will still whip or whack the price away from there to obtain additional liquidity.

-tah
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  • Edited 11:42am Jun 30, 2014 11:30am | Edited 11:42am
Quoting Air02
{quote} {image} How to remove it from the chart?
You have been here a year and six months, and you still do not know how to use indicators? Obviously, you have not read and understood as instructed in Post #1. Try doing your homework instead of just asking such an elementary question.
  • #73,864
  • Jun 30, 2014 11:35am Jun 30, 2014 11:35am
Quoting traderathome
{quote} Indeed it is. The Robber Bank MMs totally control prices except when central banks might intervene, but even then the Robber Bank MMs are told in advance what the central banks intend to do, so that the Robber Bank MMs can "adjust" and make a profit out of it. The central banks, deciding they need to do something, still do not want the Robber Bank MMs to go belly up cause DISRUPTION OF A MULTI-TRILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY! The Robber Bank MMs know where all the orders are. They decide which direction they will take the price, hence they decide...
yeah exactly prof, well said , for you guys dont believe MM exist, check out the picture i attached.. Most retail trader trapped today, statistic was taken only from Oanda, thousand brokers out there!! . .. rich(MM) people getting richer, poor(retail trader) people slammed hard..

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  • Jun 30, 2014 12:11pm Jun 30, 2014 12:11pm
Quoting feinan
{quote} yeah exactly prof, well said , for you guys dont believe MM exist, check out the picture i attached.. Most retail trader trapped today, statistic was taken only from Oanda, thousand brokers out there!! . .. rich(MM) people getting richer, poor(retail trader) people slammed hard.. feinan {image}
what u wanna say .. that gu will go up cause all people are short ? and usd jpy will fall cause all peopla are catched on long side ?
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  • #73,866
  • Jun 30, 2014 12:31pm Jun 30, 2014 12:31pm
Quoting jojojo22
{quote} what u wanna say .. that gu will go up cause all people are short ? and usd jpy will fall cause all peopla are catched on long side ?
Exactly.
  • #73,867
  • Edited 1:12pm Jun 30, 2014 12:40pm | Edited 1:12pm
Quoting feinan
{quote} yeah exactly prof, well said , for you guys dont believe MM exist, check out the picture i attached.. Most retail trader trapped today, statistic was taken only from Oanda, thousand brokers out there!! . .. rich(MM) people getting richer, poor(retail trader) people slammed hard.. feinan {image}
Quoting jojojo22
{quote} what u wanna say .. that gu will go up cause all people are short ? and usd jpy will fall cause all peopla are catched on long side ?
Quoting judgemegod
{quote} Exactly.
Robber Bank MMs at Work Robbing!

Here is another way to see it. Just look at the amount of activity at that 1/4 area. So, the Robber Bank MMs whipped the price up to stop out as much of the shorters there as they could. You will see they are still coaxing the price higher in order to clean out shorts, looking for every last ounce of liquidity for their own shorting.

Let me repeat what I said.

The Robber Bank MMs totally control prices except when central banks might intervene, but even then the Robber Bank MMs are told in advance what the central banks intend to do, so that the Robber Bank MMs can "adjust" and make a profit out of it. The central banks, deciding they need to do something, still do not want the Robber Bank MMs to go belly up and cause DISRUPTION OF A MULTI-TRILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY! The Robber Bank MMs know where all the orders are. They decide which direction they will take the price, hence they decide in which order pending orders will be reached and executed, and maybe later stopped out too. They decide the movement of price and have total control over it. This is why indicators do not work. Indicators have no way of determining what the Robber Bank MMs will decide to do next. Significant activity around key S/R is the best clue we have, but even that often requires confirmation from following price action. If there is any indicator that has real value, it is volume - or broker tick volume in this case. Volume is the only indicator that can reveal what price areas the Robber Bank MMs are placing their own bets on, even though they will still whip or whack the price away from there to obtain additional liquidity.

And let me add this. We can never know how the price will move next, not for sure. So, no matter how confident we are in a trade entry, it is wise to trade light and keep your eye on the bigger picture in order to assess the validity of any additional trade entry "opportunities" that the MM's price manipulations might present to us. The Robber Bank MM's whipping and whacking will forever be the nemesis of our trades. They will forever do this because this is how they steal from those that use SLs and those that don't, but are stopped out anyway because they trade too heavy and will get a margin call. And we will never know when it is coming. We can trade in fear of it, or learn the best way to take advantage of it. Plain and simple.

-tah
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  • #73,868
  • Jun 30, 2014 1:19pm Jun 30, 2014 1:19pm
Robber Bank MMs At Work!

And speaking of these devils, we have some interesting PA in after hours on USDCAD, and tomorrow is a CAD bank holiday. I wonder if these MMs are going to start whipping the price now that they executed a climatic whack job here also, in this case for more liquidity for their building of longs.
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  • #73,869
  • Jun 30, 2014 1:42pm Jun 30, 2014 1:42pm
Robber Bank MMs At Work on Silver!

Here is an example, Silver. For many days now these market price manipulators have kept the price in a range, with the bulk of activity coming in around the center of this range. Now, these Robber Bank MMs know that all they have to do to get liquidity for building a position of the side that will be profitable when the next run comes, is to whip or whack the price opposite in order to liquidate positions of others. You can see that the longer the MMs control the price here, the greater becomes that "future liquidity" for their position building. It is only a question of time before these Robber Bank MMs make a move to steal that liquidity ahead of their next planned significant price move. Which way? Based on the distribution of activity being weighted to the highs, I'd say the bulk of traders have been going short - taking advantage of higher prices - and so the Robber Bank MMs might be whipping the price up to kill those shorts before sending the price lower for profit. This is very speculative. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

-tah
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  • #73,870
  • Jun 30, 2014 1:49pm Jun 30, 2014 1:49pm
Will show you something, interesting which I found
If we prefer go high on lowe volume means the market is bear, MM should be bears. I am not sure cause just learning pvrsa, at least the pictures are interesting

Your opinion masters ?
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  • #73,871
  • Edited 10:54pm Jun 30, 2014 6:51pm | Edited 10:54pm
Quoting Msis125125
{quote} 100%, well done!
Thank you for giving me some confident Msis125125 ^_^ ! Do you have anything else to add >.< ?
  • #73,872
  • Jun 30, 2014 8:12pm Jun 30, 2014 8:12pm
i've been reading through the thread here.. no one really denotes identification of a higher high or lower low, until the entire move has played out.. how do you guys seriously identify these areas in real time ? because it can change in seconds
  • #73,873
  • Jun 30, 2014 8:17pm Jun 30, 2014 8:17pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} {quote} {quote} Robber Bank MMs at Work Robbing! {image}
Quoting traderathome
AU Short Trade Opened:.{image}

you stopped using the classic setup, and averaging up, going against the rules and using market profile ? what the hell happened to you TAH. after you enforce such strict rules. no classic template, no classic trading as per the rules you so whole heatedly represent. I'm Disappointed in you
  • #73,874
  • Edited 8:58pm Jun 30, 2014 8:34pm | Edited 8:58pm
Quoting traderathome
{quote} {quote} {quote} Robber Bank MMs at Work Robbing! Here is another way to see it. Just look at the amount of activity at that 1/4 area. So, the Robber Bank MMs whipped the price up to stop out as much of the shorters there as they could. You will see they are still coaxing the price higher in order to clean out shorts, looking for every last ounce of liquidity for their own shorting. Let me repeat what I said. The Robber Bank MMs totally control prices except when central banks might intervene, but even then the Robber Bank MMs are told in advance what the central banks intend to do, so that the Robber Bank MMs can "adjust" and make a profit out of it. The central banks, deciding they need to do something, still do not want the Robber Bank MMs to go belly up and cause DISRUPTION OF A MULTI-TRILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY! The Robber Bank MMs know where all the orders are. They decide which direction they will take the price, hence they decide in which order pending orders will be reached and executed, and maybe later stopped out too. They decide the movement of price and have total control over it. This is why indicators do not work. Indicators have no way of determining what the Robber Bank MMs will decide to do next. Significant activity around key S/R is the best clue we have, but even that often requires confirmation from following price action. If there is any indicator that has real value, it is volume - or broker tick volume in this case. Volume is the only indicator that can reveal what price areas the Robber Bank MMs are placing their own bets on, even though they will still whip or whack the price away from there to obtain additional liquidity. And let me add this. We can never know how the price will move next, not for sure. So, no matter how confident we are in a trade entry, it is wise to trade light and keep your eye on the bigger picture in order to assess the validity of any additional trade entry "opportunities" that the MM's price manipulations might present to us. The Robber Bank MM's whipping and whacking will forever be the nemesis of our trades. They will forever do this because this is how they steal from those that use SLs and those that don't, but are stopped out anyway because they trade too heavy and will get a margin call. And we will never know when it is coming. We can trade in fear of it, or learn the best way to take advantage of it. Plain and simple. -tah {image}
Quoting traderathome
AU Short Trade Opened: This is trading the M1 chart. You can see market makers whipped the price to the upper whole number to fill large short orders there. Then the price cycled down in good Sonic R. fashion, presenting an M1 Classic and then an M1 re-entry opportunity. I waited for the bottom and then the retrace, shorting as the retrace hit the S&R areas created on the way down.{image} On the M15 this looks like it amounts to opening a trade with Scouts, prior to a Classic. It is, but there is that consideration that the MMs hiked price above the whole number on notable volume, a PVSRA indication the MMs are bears, which at this point should be selling to open shorts as opposed to selling to close longs, although certainly the longs needed to manipulate the price up to fill the bank short orders were closed at the highs. So, this is opening a trade with high risk Scout entries.{image} Edit: Added short #3, a Scout.{image}
Quoting allisonmagic
{quote} {quote} you stopped using the classic setup, and averaging up, going against the rules and using market profile ? what the hell happened to you TAH. after you enforce such strict rules. no classic template, no classic trading as per the rules you so whole heatedly represent. I'm Disappointed in you
Get on Track!

allisonmagic,

You are appearing to me, more and more that you post, as simply a complainer.

Regarding the first referenced post, I was only supporting comments made by myself and by others as to the price manipulations by MMs to stop traders out. Don't you bother to focus when you read things? Or did you just look at the picture and say to yourself, "Oh, here is something I can complain about." And, gee, did you even bother to look at the picture closely. If you had, you'd have seen it was not a posted chart of a trade. Plenty of non-trade template charts are posted on this thread when various topics are discussed, or have you not read enough to realize that?

Regarding the second referenced post from last November, it shows Dragon, Trend and is fully explained and is not contrary to the principles of the Sonic R. System.

You disappoint me. Every time you come back, instead of posting trades, even demo trades, so that you can learn to apply the Sonic R. System yourself (hopefully after doing all your homework conscientiously), instead you just find something to complain about. Do you see others, that are making pips, constantly posting complaints like you are?

You have been banned twice now, but reinstated because I really would like to see you succeed at this. That is not going to happen so long as your focus is to be negative and seek things to complain about, valid or not. Rise above it and win. This thread is not about me. If you do not like some of my posts, that is okay, because I do not like some of yours. The question of importance is, are you smart enough and disciplined enough to stay focused on the Sonic R. System as per the manuals, or not? They contain all that you need to start applying. Isn't that what you are here for? Some catch on quickly, and some don't. I myself, am of the latter group, so don't feel badly if you haven't gotten the hang of it yet. Look how long I have been here, and I still make mistakes.

Life is not a bed of roses, and people are not perfect and will disappoint you. Only God is perfect and will not disappoint. So, run the course as if to win. Deal with any obstacles as intelligently and positively as you can and never, ever quit!

-tah
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  • Edited 9:20pm Jun 30, 2014 8:55pm | Edited 9:20pm
Classics setup should be like this..
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Life is not a bed of roses,and people are not perfect and will disappoint you. Only God is perfect and will not disappoint. So, run the course as if to win. Deal with the obstacles and never, ever quit!
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  • #73,876
  • Jun 30, 2014 9:20pm Jun 30, 2014 9:20pm
Quoting feinan
Classics setup should be like this.. {image} {quote} feinan.
Excellent contribution, feinan. I know it will help me and I do hope it helps many others here.

-tah
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  • #73,877
  • Jun 30, 2014 9:35pm Jun 30, 2014 9:35pm
Quoting feinan
Classics setup should be like this.. {image} {quote} quote of the day by prof tah feinan.

that M is a classic long. this is the reason i've failed with sonic over and over because of the rules being mixed up and disregarded
  • #73,878
  • Jun 30, 2014 9:44pm Jun 30, 2014 9:44pm
Quoting allisonmagic
{quote} that M is a classic long. this is the reason i've failed with sonic over and over because of the rules being mixed up and disregarded
Let the PA and Dragon Show the way.. dont solely watch the wave, look clue on PA as well..

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  • #73,879
  • Edited 10:34pm Jun 30, 2014 9:54pm | Edited 10:34pm
Quoting allisonmagic
{quote} that M is a classic long. this is the reason i've failed with sonic over and over because of the rules being mixed up and disregarded
allisonmagic,

If you fail, it is because you disregard or mix up the rules, not because someone else does! The manuals are clear, so stop blaming your failure on what others might or might not do!

Look at this trade I just entered. It matches the example feinan posted. You can see that prior to the third Stop Hunt, this was a well mapped out Classic short setup, but yes, before the LS (which is a recommendation, not a rule).

I made entry as I should have. Now, let's get to the part that you, I, and others have difficulty with - the MMs unexpectedly whipping the price. We cannot know how price will move next. If we always expect a whip, we might not make the proper entry. We might wait for a whip that never comes. We need to make the proper entry. But we also need to be able and prepared to take advantage of the MMs if and when they manipulate price to take advantage of us.

So, when the unexpected whip happened, I added. At the top? No, because during a whip you don't know where the top might be. Just space it out. That is what I did. I could have thought to myself to wait for price to poke up thru the half number, but what if I waited for that and it never happened? You just have to take a shot and live with the outcome. If it continues up much, much higher, then add again if you can. It is your decision.

You see, while rules can be precise (everybody likes precise, unambiguous rules) the Robber Bank MMs are never precise, never predictable. So, in addition to following our rules for the Sonic R. System, we also need to be flexible to "run with the bulls" when they run! Or, you can sit out the "Unexpected Stop Hunt", wait for price to start moving below the entry, and just start adding then. That is a decision for each trader to decide upon. And it is an important decision, because is it really just a "Unexpected Stop Hunt" or is it the start of days or weeks of a bull run? This is why Master Sonicdeejay recommends to not add to a trade in the red, with the only exception being when price is moving again back in the direction of the trade with some PA validation - as a new sequence of H/Ls consistent with the trade setup. Master Sonicdeejay recommends it is best to just add to a trade that is running green.

This covers it all, allisonmagic. Now either get with the program and become a growing and contributing Soncier, or not. It is your choice. But I do not want to see even one more post from you complaining about anything. If you do, you will be permanently expelled without possibility of reprieve. I and others have put a lot of work into our posts to try and help you and to try and encourage you. And so far, all we have gotten back from you are "one-liners" indicating you are either not at all interested, or are such a challenged learner that you should not even try to become a trader. Stay or go, it is your choice. But even one more complaint from you, after all that I and others have done to try and help you, and it will no longer be your choice.

-tah
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  • #73,880
  • Jun 30, 2014 9:57pm Jun 30, 2014 9:57pm
AUDUSD Short Traded Opened:

Entered with Classic and added a Scout during the Stop Hunt. More is explained in the post immediately above. No TP at this time.
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