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  • #5,301
  • Jun 20, 2017 11:18am Jun 20, 2017 11:18am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} you can have someone read for you and their are IQ test specifically design for people that are illiterate/dyslexia
Do you think that happens much in Africa Ross?
  • #5,302
  • Jun 20, 2017 11:28am Jun 20, 2017 11:28am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Are your fingers like sausages?
My pet hate... typing. If I can't fit what I want to say in few lines or less I just can't be bothered getting involved lately. Can't get that time back and does annoy me. Grumpy O.B. I hear you say
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  • #5,303
  • Jun 20, 2017 11:34am Jun 20, 2017 11:34am
Quoting verv
{quote} Do you think that happens much in Africa Ross?
yes their was a study where they did this in Africa and it did not increase their scores their also set up a tent in a village and give everyone food and water and said they can come at anytime they wish also the people running the test were all locals fluent in the language this still not not increase the scores it's a hard fact to swallow i have looking into study's to disprove regional and IQ and all i done was to prove it further
  • #5,304
  • Jun 20, 2017 11:37am Jun 20, 2017 11:37am
Quoting verv
{quote} Reading is not a sign of intelligence? Please explain that one for me... I think you don't understand my point, I said that to first score well on IQ tests it helps if you can read and understand it.
No reading is not a sign of intelligence, it only enables us to communicate our intelligence.

Being able to score well in an IQ test has nothing to do with our ability to read as Ross has demonstrated. Being a good reader/writer doesn't convey intelligence, it only proves we can communicate

Being able to read an IQ test doesn't mean you are intelligent only that you have been taught to read. Reading means we can do the test but it doesn't guarantee a good score.

Maybe I don't understand your point - that could be due to my poor reading skills or your poor communication skills - but it is definitely not an indicator of either your or my intelligence, only our inability to communicate.

(Kudos to Ross I now feel totally stupid)
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  • #5,305
  • Jun 20, 2017 11:39am Jun 20, 2017 11:39am
Quoting verv
{quote} Do you think that happens much in Africa Ross?

I can tell you stories about Africa but have no desire to type. Specifically around the challenges for some who say they want education, then when offered would rather steal your laptop at gunpoint. That is not an isolated incident either. Many other such stories. Africa needs to have it's own industrial revolution. Let it be. We used to send kids of six up chimneys. How did we learn that is wasn't the best practice? The changes came from within. There are plenty of educated people in Africa and they have to be the ones to get the ball rolling. They aren't shy when it comes to scam school.

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  • #5,306
  • Jun 20, 2017 11:47am Jun 20, 2017 11:47am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} yes their was a study where they did this in Africa and it did not increase their scores their also set up a tent in a village and give everyone food and water and said they can come at anytime they wish also the people running the test were all locals fluent in the language this still not not increase the scores it's a hard fact to swallow i have looking into study's to disprove regional and IQ and all i done was to prove it further
What's the study Ross?

Here is scientific journal saying education has an effect on IQ:
http://www.pnas.org/content/109/2/425.full.pdf

Who knew!
  • #5,307
  • Jun 20, 2017 11:48am Jun 20, 2017 11:48am
Quoting Magog
{quote} No reading is not a sign of intelligence, it only enables us to communicate our intelligence. Being able to score well in an IQ test has nothing to do with our ability to read as Ross has demonstrated. Being a good reader/writer doesn't convey intelligence, it only proves we can communicate Being able to read an IQ test doesn't mean you are intelligent only that you have been taught to read. Reading means we can do the test but it doesn't guarantee a good score. Maybe I don't understand your point - that could be due to my poor reading skills...
Reading does require some kind of innate intelligence.

No offence Magogg, but you need to go back and read my posts.

You haven't understood what I was saying, and you are making inferences I never made.

I'm simply not responding to an argument I never made.
  • #5,308
  • Jun 20, 2017 11:53am Jun 20, 2017 11:53am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I can tell you stories about Africa but have no desire to type. Specifically around the challenges for some who say they want education, then when offered would rather steal your laptop at gunpoint. That is not an isolated incident either. Many other such stories. Africa needs to have it's own industrial revolution. Let it be. We used to send kids of six up chimneys. How did we learn that is wasn't the best practice? The changes came from within. There are plenty of educated people in Africa and they have to be the ones to get the ball rolling....
I'm not refuting people do, on the face of it, dumb things.

I'm not saying intelligence has no inherited component.

I am saying results of an IQ test is multifactoral.

I am saying that the ability to demonstate intelligence requires basic literacy.
  • #5,309
  • Jun 20, 2017 11:53am Jun 20, 2017 11:53am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I can tell you stories about Africa but have no desire to type. Specifically around the challenges for some who say they want education, then when offered would rather steal your laptop at gunpoint. That is not an isolated incident either. Many other such stories. Africa needs to have it's own industrial revolution. Let it be. We used to send kids of six up chimneys. How did we learn that is wasn't the best practice? The changes came from within. There are plenty of educated people in Africa and they have to be the ones to get the ball rolling....
There needs to be an average IQ of over 90 for a technological society. Fact. So, it would never happen in Africa. What would probably happen is China and America fight it out over the natural resources.
  • #5,310
  • Jun 20, 2017 11:57am Jun 20, 2017 11:57am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} My pet hate... typing. If I can't fit what I want to say in few lines or less I just can't be bothered getting involved lately. Can't get that time back and does annoy me. Grumpy O.B. I hear you say
Learn to touch type and you will never regret it or Dragon Naturally Speaking is very good
  • #5,311
  • Jun 20, 2017 12:01pm Jun 20, 2017 12:01pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg3OyMYpsQ8
  • #5,312
  • Jun 20, 2017 12:03pm Jun 20, 2017 12:03pm
Quoting verv
{quote} What's the study Ross? Here is scientific journal saying education has an effect on IQ: http://www.pnas.org/content/109/2/425.full.pdf Who knew!
thanks for the link i will read it as i find this a interesting topic

why do you think poor east Asian people score higher than European people? even if they are staving hungry and ill educated?

what do you think about the Ashkenazi jews with a average score of 115 and why do you think the Jews in general score so well in verbal tests do you not think that the Jews have had a very hard history and the Jews of Average intelligence with poor verbal communication did not producers as many children and this is why we are now seeing differences in there ethnic group also what is your opinion on the Aborigine with their visual ability scoring do you not think these differences my be natural selection?
  • #5,313
  • Jun 20, 2017 12:04pm Jun 20, 2017 12:04pm
Quoting verv
{quote} I'm not refuting people do, on the face of it, dumb things. I'm not saying intelligence has no inherited component. I am saying results of an IQ test is multifactoral. I am saying that the ability to demonstate intelligence requires basic literacy.
I told a story here not too long ago about a mate of mine who has a very successful scrap business, can't read or write but he is far from dumb. I'm inclined to think his smarts came from nature but also feel nurture has merits. I'm not arguing the fact as I really don't know. I think if there is no desire all the nurture in the world won't make a difference and many naturally smart people seem to find their way regardless of nurture.
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  • #5,314
  • Jun 20, 2017 12:09pm Jun 20, 2017 12:09pm
Quoting verv
{quote} Reading does require some kind of innate intelligence. No offence Magogg, but you need to go back and read my posts. You haven't understood what I was saying, and you are making inferences I never made. I'm simply not responding to an argument I never made.
Like I said, obviously I need to get someone to teach me how to read - my bad LOL.
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  • #5,315
  • Jun 20, 2017 12:10pm Jun 20, 2017 12:10pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I told a story here not too long ago about a mate of mine who has a very successful scrap business, can't read or write but he is far from dumb. I'm inclined to think his smarts came from nature but also feel nurture has merits. I'm not arguing the fact as I really don't know. I think if there is no desire all the nurture in the world won't make a difference and many naturally smart people seem to find their way regardless of nurture.
I really don't know either because nobody really knows so let's stop throwing around maps. Anyone saying they know as 'fact' is talking utter shit.
  • #5,316
  • Jun 20, 2017 12:14pm Jun 20, 2017 12:14pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} There needs to be an average IQ of over 90 for a technological society. Fact. So, it would never happen in Africa. What would probably happen is China and America fight it out over the natural resources.
I don't know what they did before I.Q. tests. Probably a lot of importance just attached to survival. Anyway some will say survival of the fittest and some will say exploitation. I say I have other things to think about like hoping the minuscule intelligence I do have doesn't depart out of my ears one dark and stormy night.
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  • #5,317
  • Jun 20, 2017 12:18pm Jun 20, 2017 12:18pm
On a completely different subject close to our hearts, I'm gonna tell you a short story.

When I was a boy(5yrs old) I used to wlk to school and on Saturday I'd go to the local cinema, sometimes I even went scrumping - mostly alone sometimes with mates.

The area I used to do that in was Bury Park, where I was born - a predominantly working class and exclusively white area of Bedfordshire, well known by Tommy R

Look at it now.

Muslims tell Christians in England that they have taken over the entire country (https://www.intellihub.com/muslims-tell-christians-in-england-that-they-have-taken-over-the-entire-country/)
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  • #5,318
  • Jun 20, 2017 12:19pm Jun 20, 2017 12:19pm
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Learn to touch type and you will never regret it or Dragon Naturally Speaking is very good
Ok I'm really going to show my intelligence now. When I type I "TOUCH" the keys, so am I not already doing that ? I had that years ago and it was crap but perhaps it has come a long way, thanks I will look into it. It used to be mediocre even with the best BBC accents.
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  • #5,319
  • Jun 20, 2017 12:20pm Jun 20, 2017 12:20pm
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} The libtards certainly use "islamaphobia" to imply irrationality behind peoples very real fears and concerns, as do the lefty/liberal press and even the politicians Cambridge dictionary says of "phobia" an extreme fear or dislike of a particular thing or situation, especially one that cannot be reasonably explained: The one common denominator in all the attacks I listed earlier is that they were all carried out in the name of Islam. Good ordinary people can see the obvious connection which is neither unreasonable or irrational. The answer...
Wiktionary (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Main_Page) has only one definition for phobia - "Psychological term for an irrational (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/irrational) or obsessive (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/obsessive) fear (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/fear) of..."
The focus on 'irrational' is an interesting aspect.
I didn't bother digging for the 'Oxford' dictionary.
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  • #5,320
  • Jun 20, 2017 12:24pm Jun 20, 2017 12:24pm
Quoting Magog
On a completely different subject close to our hearts, I'm gonna tell you a short story. When I was a boy(5yrs old) I used to wlk to school and on Saturday I'd go to the local cinema, sometimes I even went scrumping - mostly alone sometimes with mates. The area I used to do that in was Bury Park, where I was born - a predominantly working class and exclusively white area of Bedfordshire, well known by Tommy R Look at it now. Muslims (https://www.intellihub.com/muslims-tell-christians-in-england-that-they-have-taken-over-the-entire-country/)...
Don't be nostalgic mate, be strong together it's just a bit of white genocide going down init !!!!!
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