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  • #5,121
  • Jun 17, 2017 11:59am Jun 17, 2017 11:59am
Quoting Pat494
Crapitalism is just part of the smoke and mirrors that keeps the poor down, feeds them just enough to work and gives the elite all the wealth ! It stinks really.
And what little marxist rock did you crawl out from under??
Defending Truth, Capitalism and the US Constitution
  • #5,122
  • Jun 17, 2017 12:15pm Jun 17, 2017 12:15pm
Quoting jarhead
{quote} And what little marxist rock did you crawl out from under??
I am no Marxist but I do believe in spreading the wealth around. OK not exactly evenly but not just in the hands of the elite, 19th century style.
Capitalism has a lot to answer for. For instance the US blaming those Arab states for terrorism. Not one of them had any connection but the states like Saudi that have Trump's business interests - not a mention even though most of the 911 hijackers came from there.
Capitalism is felling pristine forests at an alarming rate which will cause mass animal extinctions just so the businessmen can make a dirty buck. Is it too much to ask the power mad countries to spend their billions on cleaning up the oceans etc. and not waste it on bombs. ballistic missiles etc.
The UK is spending about 200 billion to build 4 new nuclear subs and run them for 20 years. That gets our Mrs Poodle into Dump's good books. He sold Qatar F15 jets. I ask, what do they need all these expensive weapons for, the Capitalists are killing this planet.
  • #5,123
  • Jun 17, 2017 12:28pm Jun 17, 2017 12:28pm
Quoting Pat494
{quote} I am no Marxist but I do believe in spreading the wealth around. OK not exactly evenly but not just in the hands of the elite, 19th century style.
Understand you. You want wealth taken from those that have earned it and given to you. Not exactly a new idea. Called the democrat party in the US. Hate to break this to you but there is much more harvest-able timber standing in the USA now than in the late 1800's. It's grown as a crop. Most of the ill's of capitalism comes from the bastardization of it by socialist. Pure capitalism is self regulated by supply and demand. The rest of your post is simply liberal-socialist talking points. You might want to find a thread unlike this one. The regulars here know whats going on in the world. Your lack of knowledge is rather glaring.
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  • #5,124
  • Jun 17, 2017 12:50pm Jun 17, 2017 12:50pm
I guess you probably have plenty of money ! As if I care one jot. I don't want one penny from you but I do care about this planet, it is the only one we have.
The oceans are filled with plastics which are already in the food chain. If you are in California take a look at the sealions around SF. I read that 1 in 5 has cancer from human pollution. Will the richest state try and clean up ? Not while jerks like you won't spend anything. I read much of the citrus areas were devastated from drought.
Should anyone care ? Not if tight wads like airhead have to lay out a bit of cash. Build me more missiles says Dump. Whatever for ? WW3 will ruin the planet already. Does Dump support climate change agreements ? Oh no not if it costs the US a few $s.
  • #5,125
  • Jun 17, 2017 1:04pm Jun 17, 2017 1:04pm
Quoting Pat494
I guess you probably have plenty of money ! As if I care one jot. I don't want one penny from you but I do care about this planet, it is the only one we have. The oceans are filled with plastics which are already in the food chain. If you are in California take a look at the sealions around SF. I read that 1 in 5 has cancer from human pollution. Will the richest state try and clean up ? Not while jerks like you won't spend anything. I read much of the citrus areas were devastated from drought. Should anyone care ? Not if tight wads like airhead...
I grew up on the poor side of town. I have owned 2 business, both successful. They were successful because I ate pork and beans, canned soup and 14-18 hour days for years. I drove old vehicles, didn't vacation till I was in my middle 30's and am fiscally conservative to this day. On one occasion, I took the back seat out of a old car I owned to find change to buy a beer -- was lucky found enough to buy a couple. While building the first business, I was on the volunteer fire dept. I've earned every damn penny I got. The story is the same for all the regulars here at the hole. I actually feel sorry for a snotty nose kid like you that spends his (assuming you a he) time whining and dying with envy at what others have earned. Your socialist bull shit is much more appreciated out in the news section -- many like you there.
Defending Truth, Capitalism and the US Constitution
  • #5,126
  • Edited Jun 18, 2017 2:33am Jun 17, 2017 1:30pm | Edited Jun 18, 2017 2:33am
Quoting Pat494
I guess you probably have plenty of money ! As if I care one jot. I don't want one penny from you but I do care about this planet, it is the only one we have. The oceans are filled with plastics which are already in the food chain. If you are in California take a look at the sealions around SF. I read that 1 in 5 has cancer from human pollution. Will the richest state try and clean up ? Not while jerks like you won't spend anything. I read much of the citrus areas were devastated from drought. Should anyone care ? Not if tight wads like airhead...
Damn, it is such a nice, balmy summer's evening sat out in a beer garden enjoying a few drinks and I get rudely interrupted by some bitter commie comment. I should have turned off my emails!

I may be sitting comfortably now, but that hasn't always been the case. One thing, I have always been a capitalist. Being a capitalist means you get off your arse and do something about it, instead of begrudging others with your pathetic, commie whinging. The world is full of opportunities if you have the nous to find it. Or perhaps you don't. That's why you are so bitter.

And, look back at few pages and spend half an hour on that video I posted, learning about so called climate change. It's idiots like you who believe everything they're told and question nothing.

Here it is again:
https://youtu.be/qdTlXuTwvEQ
  • #5,127
  • Edited 2:12pm Jun 17, 2017 1:36pm | Edited 2:12pm
Quoting Pat494
{quote} I am no Marxist but I do believe in spreading the wealth around. OK not exactly evenly but not just in the hands of the elite, 19th century style. Capitalism has a lot to answer for. For instance the US blaming those Arab states for terrorism. Not one of them had any connection but the states like Saudi that have Trump's business interests - not a mention even though most of the 911 hijackers came from there. Capitalism is felling pristine forests at an alarming rate which will cause mass animal extinctions just so the businessmen can make...
Spreading wealth around? Sure, let's all share! Fine, but you have nothing to share! So you mean take?!

Edit: you said you don't want one penny from us and you also said we should spread wealth around? Make up your frigging mind.
  • #5,128
  • Jun 17, 2017 5:53pm Jun 17, 2017 5:53pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} Spreading wealth around? Sure, let's all share! Fine, but you have nothing to share! So you mean take?! Edit: you said you don't want one penny from us and you also said we should spread wealth around? Make up your frigging mind.
I jus luv a woman that can get that f'ird up!!
Defending Truth, Capitalism and the US Constitution
  • #5,129
  • Jun 18, 2017 12:19am Jun 18, 2017 12:19am
Quoting Pat494
Crapitalism is just part of the smoke and mirrors that keeps the poor down, feeds them just enough to work and gives the elite all the wealth ! It stinks really.

Capitalism is the exploitation of man by man, socialism is the opposite.
  • #5,130
  • Edited 2:41am Jun 18, 2017 2:28am | Edited 2:41am
Quoting jarhead
{quote} I jus luv a woman that can get that f'ird up!!
Picture this: he's whining about capitalism, sat in front of his Macbook, wearing an iwatch, with an iphone in his pocket, with Nike trainers, Levi jeans, Calvin Klein pants and a pair of Ray-bans on his head. He is moaning on FF, which is funded by advertisers such as XM offering free $30 sharkbaits. He then goes to McDonalds for some lunch in his shitty little Citroen (because that's what libtards drive until they get enough of other people's money to be able to afford a Toyota Prius, then they can be really righteous). He fills the car up at a BP garage. Twat.

So, I do a bit of commie bashing and I get awarded with a little red badge?! Cool!

Edit: Dev, I see you have one too!
  • #5,131
  • Jun 18, 2017 3:23am Jun 18, 2017 3:23am
One can work hard and earn lots without going to the extremes of trashing the planet for more bucks.
Take the pharmaceutical industry. They are not there to make you well. Oh no they want your hard earned money and hope you are so sick that you will pay plenty.
Forests around the world are being cut down by loggers for buckets of cash. Many of those loggers are illegal. Have you seen what they leave after them ? Even years later just weeds and some tree stumps for as far as you can see.

And what in the end did they get ? Some extra figures in their bank accounts. Those same forests have been described as " the lungs of the planet" with good reason. They are more valuable than figures in a bank. Without clean air and water the planet dies.
  • #5,132
  • Jun 18, 2017 3:56am Jun 18, 2017 3:56am
That Tower block fire a few days ago in London just shows what corner and cost cutting achieves ! Sprinkler systems were recommended years ago but not installed.
Someone made some extra bucks but at the cost of lives being lost and a NEW tower is needed.
  • #5,133
  • Jun 18, 2017 4:01am Jun 18, 2017 4:01am
Pat, Jen
Not sure I wanna get involved in this debate but fwiw - I think you are both wrong and both right.

Capitalism is the best system for the overall benefit of society as a whole- but it is not capitalism per se causing the inequalities we see all around us.
The problem is that we do not currently have true capitalism, it is, as I mentioned earlier, corporatism.

As for saving the planet - in a true capitalist society there would be true competion and that would constrain companies ability to cut corners through lax QC systems.

Socialism never works but we also can't say capitalism doesn't work coz we don't live in a capitalist system.

Just my tuppence worth
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #5,134
  • Jun 18, 2017 4:48am Jun 18, 2017 4:48am
Quoting Magog
This might be worth watching out for - I always did like Andrew. http://kingworldnews.com/alert-unknown-entity-deletes-a-portion-of-whistleblower-andrew-maguires-kwn-audio-interview-about-a-major-event-in-26-days/ 26 days is 6th July Just after the holiday and Fed minutes - Maybe nothing but...who knows
6th or 8th?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DbSfWhyUc6c
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #5,135
  • Jun 18, 2017 5:03am Jun 18, 2017 5:03am
Quoting Magog
On Weds there was a huge fire in west London as you know. It would appear that some news agencies reported it 24 hrs earlier?? On Sunday there is a march in London - Al Quds day. Coincidence?? http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/06/14/tower-fire/ https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/6h5bwd/london_high_rise_fire_is_a_preplanned_false_flag/ Cui Bono
London Mayor Khan Slammed by Groups Over Refusal to Ban Anti Al-Quds March (http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/06/16/london-mayor-khan-slammed-by-jewish-groups-over-refusal-to-ban-anti-israel-al-quds-march/)
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #5,136
  • Jun 18, 2017 5:09am Jun 18, 2017 5:09am
Quoting Magog
Pat, Jen Not sure I wanna get involved in this debate but fwiw - I think you are both wrong and both right. Capitalism is the best system for the overall benefit of society as a whole- but it is not capitalism per se causing the inequalities we see all around us. The problem is that we do not currently have true capitalism, it is, as I mentioned earlier, corporatism. As for saving the planet - in a true capitalist society there would be true competion and that would constrain companies ability to cut corners through lax QC systems. Socialism never...
Just one example of Corporatism

MONSANTO AND BIG AG COLONIZING AFRICA, CRIMINALIZING TRADITIONAL SEED EXCHANGES (http://www.wakingtimes.com/2017/06/07/monsanto-big-ag-colonizing-africa-criminalizing-traditional-seed-exchanges/)
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #5,137
  • Jun 18, 2017 5:09am Jun 18, 2017 5:09am
Well no doubt I am wasting my time trying to convince you capitalist guys not to mess up the planet.
Some would sell their own mothers for a few lousy bucks !!

Now this may be just what would appeal to you...........

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/tv/coronation-street-spoiler-bethany-platt-looks-horror-stricken-as-nathan-curtis-plans-to-sell-her-abroad-as-a-sex-slave/ar-BBCOCzM?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=iehp
  • #5,138
  • Jun 18, 2017 5:15am Jun 18, 2017 5:15am
It doesn't matter if you are rich or poor. an overweight fatty or thin, Rep or Dem...........

But it does matter if you are too thick and greedy that you think the planet doesn't need your help.
  • #5,139
  • Jun 18, 2017 5:21am Jun 18, 2017 5:21am
Quoting Pat494
Well no doubt I am wasting my time trying to convince you capitalist guys not to mess up the planet. Some would sell their own mothers for a few lousy bucks !! Now this may be just what would appeal to you........... http://www.msn.com/en-gb/entertainment/tv/coronation-street-spoiler-bethany-platt-looks-horror-stricken-as-nathan-curtis-plans-to-sell-her-abroad-as-a-sex-slave/ar-BBCOCzM?li=AAnZ9Ug&ocid=iehp
That is a really cheap shot Pat especially if you do a bit of research into Pizzagate coz you'll find that most of the perpetrators are socialists
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #5,140
  • Jun 18, 2017 6:22am Jun 18, 2017 6:22am
Quoting Magog
Pat, Jen Not sure I wanna get involved in this debate but fwiw - I think you are both wrong and both right. Capitalism is the best system for the overall benefit of society as a whole- but it is not capitalism per se causing the inequalities we see all around us. The problem is that we do not currently have true capitalism, it is, as I mentioned earlier, corporatism. As for saving the planet - in a true capitalist society there would be true competion and that would constrain companies ability to cut corners through lax QC systems. Socialism never...
I agree with you! I never said we had a capitalist society, just that I am a capitalist and always have been. Entrepreneurism in the small business owner has the potential to grow into something big, leading to a corporate. I agree there are cans of worms there, but surely it should be government regulations keeping things in check.
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