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  • #4,861
  • Jun 13, 2017 4:33am Jun 13, 2017 4:33am
"Tory and Labour MPs plot secret deal to ensure soft Brexit"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/12/tory-labour-mps-plot-secret-deal-ensure-soft-brexit/

This could be good or bad, because I have no idea what a soft Brexit even means, but we need Nigel back to keep the pressure on.
Nigellll....
  • #4,862
  • Jun 13, 2017 5:11am Jun 13, 2017 5:11am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Thanks for posting that
Ryan is good - he really understands whats going on in ME and what is behind the terrorists in Europe and ME going back before the Iraq war
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #4,863
  • Jun 13, 2017 5:22am Jun 13, 2017 5:22am
Glad to hear that there is at least one American that has any clue at all what is spewing out of the ME after decades of useless rhetoric from the comfort of Washington.
The US foreign policy has been pitiful at best. Why should we care in Europe/elsewhere I hear you bleat ?
The US insists on its bedraggled allies to get involved. Pay more says the latest idiotic POTUS. Having lost trillions of hard earned taxpayer's money. Enough to make a Bishop curse !! or weep..................
  • #4,864
  • Jun 13, 2017 5:26am Jun 13, 2017 5:26am
Quoting verv
"Tory and Labour MPs plot secret deal to ensure soft Brexit" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/12/tory-labour-mps-plot-secret-deal-ensure-soft-brexit/ This could be good or bad, because I have no idea what a soft Brexit even means, but we need Nigel back to keep the pressure on. Nigellll....
Another piece of evidence to lend credence to the illusion of democracy. The existing 2 party headline acts need to be overthrown, quite literally. Neither have the interest of the people of the UK, it's a veneer IMO.
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  • #4,865
  • Jun 13, 2017 5:32am Jun 13, 2017 5:32am
Quoting verv
"Tory and Labour MPs plot secret deal to ensure soft Brexit" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/12/tory-labour-mps-plot-secret-deal-ensure-soft-brexit/ This could be good or bad, because I have no idea what a soft Brexit even means, but we need Nigel back to keep the pressure on. Nigellll....
Could be wrong but I think soft means half in half out and hard means
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Not sure which one is good tho - except that don't like half anything - I'm an all in(or out) kinda guy.
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #4,866
  • Edited 9:58am Jun 13, 2017 5:50am | Edited 9:58am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Another piece of evidence to lend credence to the illusion of democracy. The existing 2 party headline acts need to be overthrown, quite literally. Neither have the interest of the people of the UK, it's a veneer IMO.
It was interest listening (accidentally) to Alistair Campbell a couple of days ago. He said exactly that, that none of the parties are actually listening to the electorate.
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  • #4,867
  • Jun 13, 2017 6:05am Jun 13, 2017 6:05am
MAGIC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=20&v=SY6w1k9x8Lw
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #4,868
  • Jun 13, 2017 6:17am Jun 13, 2017 6:17am
I love the irony soo much, that Corbyns past cosying up the IRA have kept him out of office and may ultimately result in Labour giving him the boot because the DUP have said they will not work with Labour with him in charge.

Enemies he made 30 years ago, and his repeated excuses have came back to bite him in the ass.

It's just TOO FUCKING PERFECT IT HURTS !
  • #4,869
  • Edited 8:53am Jun 13, 2017 6:36am | Edited 8:53am
Quoting jarhead
{quote} I am sure you disagree with me on most every thing. See, I am an American who views things in black and white. Something is either true or a lie. You have trouble discerning truth and lies. Everything to you is in color -- whatever serves your purpose. I am a patriot willing to die for our constitutional freedoms. You see no constitution to be followed. It's a "living document" to be interpreted as you see fit. I believe in absolutes -- you basically believe in nothing but leftist dogma you've most likely been raised with. I believe in honor...
They wouldn't know. Their parents were the Bernie sanders of the world, the "Post Modernists" who question truth as not being anything at all. Giving way to Nihilism, and identity politics expressed with no skin but instead exacted to express at the ends of a keyboard because it was gives them courage. They wouldn't know about sacrifice and service, loyalty or honor they didn't do the heavy lifting let alone know what its like to serve their country! Look at their hands! They are soft Lilly white with out a hard days work.~ Semper Fi! Carry on!
  • #4,870
  • Jun 13, 2017 6:38am Jun 13, 2017 6:38am
Quoting Pat494
Glad to hear that there is at least one American that has any clue at all what is spewing out of the ME after decades of useless rhetoric from the comfort of Washington. The US foreign policy has been pitiful at best. Why should we care in Europe/elsewhere I hear you bleat ? The US insists on its bedraggled allies to get involved. Pay more says the latest idiotic POTUS. Having lost trillions of hard earned taxpayer's money. Enough to make a Bishop curse !! or weep..................

Pay more what specifically?
  • #4,871
  • Jun 13, 2017 6:45am Jun 13, 2017 6:45am
[quote=..they surely contributed a lot to this problem with their business models.[/quote]

Not to mention they have contributed exponentially to hundreds of deaths by funding terrorism by which they same business models you speak of.
  • #4,872
  • Jun 13, 2017 7:28am Jun 13, 2017 7:28am
Quoting verv
I love the irony soo much, that Corbyns past cosying up the IRA have kept him out of office and may ultimately result in Labour giving him the boot because the DUP have said they will not work with Labour with him in charge. Enemies he made 30 years ago, and his repeated excuses have came back to bite him in the ass. It's just TOO FUCKING PERFECT IT HURTS !
Corbyn's whole political career has been spent cosying up to any terrorist groups who wish to bring harm to the UK and the West, and which makes him utterly unsuitable for office

2009 Corbyn described the terrorists of both Hezbollah and Hamas as his ‘friends’ as he hosted an event on their behalf

1984 this lifelong friend of Irish Republicans asked two former IRA convicts to speak in the House of Commons, a fortnight after the IRA had tried to blow up Margaret Thatcher and the Cabinet, killing five people in the process

self-proclaimed Marxist Shadow Chancellor John McDonnell, has called for MI5 and armed police to be abolished, while saying that the IRA murderers of men, women, children, British servicemen and police officers should be ‘honoured’.

Sir Richard Dearlove, a former head of MI6 said that Jeremy Corbyn’s ‘links with those quite ready to use terror’ would mean he wouldn’t be cleared to join any of the country’s security services. He also said ‘if you ask professionals in the police, they would recognise that creating 10,000 jobs for community policing won’t have the slightest effect on the problem of Islamic terrorism’

Corbyn's local Labour Party office in the Seventies put a poster in its window depicting policemen as pigs wearing helmets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLb15UPqwxw
  • #4,873
  • Jun 13, 2017 7:38am Jun 13, 2017 7:38am
Quoting verv
"Tory and Labour MPs plot secret deal to ensure soft Brexit" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/12/tory-labour-mps-plot-secret-deal-ensure-soft-brexit/ This could be good or bad, because I have no idea what a soft Brexit even means, but we need Nigel back to keep the pressure on. Nigellll....
Soft Brexit means we're staying in. All this hard and soft shit is ridiculous, you're either in or out!

It's all a big con. Notice now remainer May has surrounded herself with Remainers in the cabinet? Bottom line is we're not allowed to leave because the EU needs our money and will be well and truly buggered without us.
  • #4,874
  • Jun 13, 2017 8:00am Jun 13, 2017 8:00am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Corbyn's whole political career has been spent cosying up to any terrorist groups who wish to bring harm to the UK and the West, and which makes him utterly unsuitable for office 2009 Corbyn described the terrorists of both Hezbollah and Hamas as his friends as he hosted an event on their behalf 1984 this lifelong friend of Irish Republicans asked two former IRA convicts to speak in the House of Commons, a fortnight after the IRA had tried to blow up Margaret Thatcher and the Cabinet, killing five people in the process self-proclaimed Marxist...
Corbyn means the major "D" in d-bag! He is the scum in scum soup! Throw him in the river and see if it floats or flush him down the can!
  • #4,875
  • Jun 13, 2017 8:03am Jun 13, 2017 8:03am
Quoting verv
I love the irony soo much, that Corbyns past cosying up the IRA have kept him out of office and may ultimately result in Labour giving him the boot because the DUP have said they will not work with Labour with him in charge. Enemies he made 30 years ago, and his repeated excuses have came back to bite him in the ass. It's just TOO FUCKING PERFECT IT HURTS !

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Send him some of these!
  • #4,876
  • Jun 13, 2017 8:11am Jun 13, 2017 8:11am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Soft Brexit means we're staying in. All this hard and soft shit is ridiculous, you're either in or out! It's all a big con. Notice now remainer May has surrounded herself with Remainers in the cabinet? Bottom line is we're not allowed to leave because the EU needs our money and will be well and truly buggered without us.
I'll be annoyed if we have to abide by a huge swath of EU laws, and if we cannot control our borders. Very annoyed.

Customs Union I actually don't mind, and would be happy to pay for for lower tarrifs trade to mean we don't have free migration.
  • #4,877
  • Jun 13, 2017 8:17am Jun 13, 2017 8:17am
Quoting DrManhatten
{quote} Corbyn means the major "D" in d-bag! He is the scum in scum soup! Throw him in the river and see if it floats or flush him down the can!
However, Corbyn has an ability to connect with the people, the same way that Blair had. Boris has that skill too. May definitely does not.

Let us assume that Nigel can somehow get a chance to vie for the PM job. Obviously he is my personal choice by a long way, but it isn't about me; it's about who is most likely to get the votes. Nigel is a bit like Marmite, some like him, others hate him. However, Boris has much more far reaching appeal. I would rather have Boris lead the Tories in government than Nigel in opposition and Corbyn in power. It is more to do with keeping that hard left out.

Also I believe that Brexit was won when Boris finally threw his weight behind it. Yes, Nigel forced the referendum, but without Boris, I firmly believe the result could have been reversed, 48-52 the other way.
  • #4,878
  • Jun 13, 2017 8:27am Jun 13, 2017 8:27am
Quoting jen101
{quote} However, Corbyn has an ability to connect with the people, the same way that Blair had. Boris has that skill too. May definitely does not. Let us assume that Nigel can somehow get a chance to vie for the PM job. Obviously he is my personal choice by a long way, but it isn't about me; it's about who is most likely to get the votes. Nigel is a bit like Marmite, some like him, others hate him. However, Boris has much more far reaching appeal. I would rather have Boris lead the Tories in government than Nigel in opposition and Corbyn in power....
If the electorate do not get free of the EU, the Tories will be unelectable for years to come. UKIP will rise in populartiy, giving the Tories even less power than they have right now. Theresa May had better do a good job on Brexit, otherwise every Tory MP is at risk
  • #4,879
  • Jun 13, 2017 8:52am Jun 13, 2017 8:52am
Quoting jen101
{quote} However, Corbyn has an ability to connect with the people, the same way that Blair had. Boris has that skill too. May definitely does not. Let us assume that Nigel can somehow get a chance to vie for the PM job. Obviously he is my personal choice by a long way, but it isn't about me; it's about who is most likely to get the votes. Nigel is a bit like Marmite, some like him, others hate him. However, Boris has much more far reaching appeal. I would rather have Boris lead the Tories in government than Nigel in opposition and Corbyn in power....

You won't get any argument from me about Corbyn's ground game, it was better than May's, as she underestimated him. Corbyn had the same as Obola and the rest of the sociopaths that keep winning elections. You would think in today's political climate with all the technology to be utilized that May would have been on top of her game? Then again maybe that was part of her own sinister plan to make a case for a softer BREXIT. I am so tired of the Corbyns of the world lingering around like some bottom feeders to seize control of road kill and then to ruin everybody's life at the end of the day. That dog needs to be put down in the worst way, and I don't understand why the conservatives can't get their act together once and for all to make that happen! BREXIT is BREXIT, and there should be no mistake about it. Like you said all this seas sawing back and forth is all about causing bad indigestion on a lumpy roller coaster ride, and derailing the will of the electorate is a bad case of vehemence that will bite back! At least one would hope if things really turn for the worse. Boris to save the day? I guess, but this is much to be played out in the coming days. Shake a leg! More like release the hounds! That time is overdue!
  • #4,880
  • Jun 13, 2017 9:06am Jun 13, 2017 9:06am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} If the electorate do not get free of the EU, the Tories will be unelectable for years to come. UKIP will rise in populartiy, giving the Tories even less power than they have right now. Theresa May had better do a good job on Brexit, otherwise every Tory MP is at risk
Yes, UKIP will rise in popularity but I don't believe they could ever form a majority government. Don't forget, prior to Brexit, in 2015, when feelings were running high, they only gained one seat.

Plus people are being brainwashed into a "soft" Brexit, making them think we are getting the best of both worlds, which in reality is bullshit because it means remain.
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