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  • #4,821
  • Jun 12, 2017 9:30am Jun 12, 2017 9:30am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} Devauxt and Jen i can promise you this is the strength of the propaganda and not a lack of intelligence they said to me with a straight face that i am the one that has been influenced by propaganda for saying JC did not make peace in Ireland and in fact made it a harder process or of saying having a communist as your chancellor is a bad thing and that Diane Abbott is terribly underqualified to be home secretary also for saying JC is not prepared to use a nuclear weapon in self defence and that cuts to government spending is neccessary all...
Failure to do your own research is the definition of stupidity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3OaSB1fzRo&t=7s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj_I3Qs8nbs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POslQtEkCBY&t=11s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L28ONsoPZp8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHR6q4UB77Y
  • #4,822
  • Jun 12, 2017 9:35am Jun 12, 2017 9:35am
Quoting jen101
{quote} We have a very strong Marxist culture in our schools and higher education; that is why most Millennials are the way they are. If you look into mainland Europe, they have the opposite to what we have here; the younger generation want out of the EU. I would also blame the parents for their part or lack thereof. I see it every day at my kids' primary school, but I talk politics to my kids. They know what Socialism is, they know who Jeremy Corbyn is, what he stands for, they know about Trump, Macron etc. This morning they were asking me about...
Socialism is entrapment, not freedom
  • #4,823
  • Jun 12, 2017 9:41am Jun 12, 2017 9:41am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Failure to do your own research is the definition of stupidity https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3OaSB1fzRo&t=7s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tj_I3Qs8nbs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POslQtEkCBY&t=11s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L28ONsoPZp8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHR6q4UB77Y
when they do research they are finding propaganda and believing it they are being lie to and fooling for it
  • #4,824
  • Jun 12, 2017 9:49am Jun 12, 2017 9:49am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} when they do research they are finding propaganda and believing it they are being lie to and fooling for it
But when the IRA are saying that Corbyn was not part of the peace process, I'd believe them. They were there and Corbyn wasn't
  • #4,825
  • Edited 10:06am Jun 12, 2017 9:51am | Edited 10:06am
Magog...... Triggerd.... ;-)

By the way, I am serious..... and being shocked about Trumps victory is a reaction I can understand. However, the time was ripe for disruption. Hillary wouldn't have been able to deliver on this crucial point and since the democrats shot down Bernie, their horse was set to lose the race against the Donald. While Trump probably has the egocentric mind set that people voted for him because of him, I think most voted for disruption even if it meant to deal with someone like the Donald and pay a high price to get such disruption. In a few years we see the cost / benefit ratio of this political adventure.....

Since you like youtube videos... I have one for you.

https://youtu.be/s4pX53AqpUs

If you tell me Alex Jones behavior in this video is not just outright stupid and childish beyond all limits, than I have really not much help to offer other then telling you: "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven."

Look at the rabbit ears he is trying to put behind Cenk........this is so low, it gets funny. In situations like this it is appropriate not just to ignore someone like Jones but stand up against him with an adequate reaction..... so in my opinion: Well done!

A quick fact check tells me a lot of Americans are looking for neutral, fact based information, so there is hope.
https://vidstatsx.com/youtube-top-100-most-subscribed-news-politics-channels

Currently media content on the internet is still mainly structured on a pay per click base.... this is bad. It is one of the drivers of the click bait fake news, propaganda industry that as grown exponentially. If fiction pays better than dry seriously researched facts, because it attracts more clicks, it's no wonder the media reputation is going down the drain in parallel. I personally expect news oulets to report more facts and less opinions....that would be very helpful and I am waiting for the day where all this click bait news stories at the buttom of news pages will vanish. Google, Facebook and Co share some responsability in this regard.....they surely contributed a lot to this problem with their business models.
  • #4,826
  • Jun 12, 2017 9:54am Jun 12, 2017 9:54am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Socialism is entrapment, not freedom
Couldn't agree more. I look at today's youth and there isn't much evidence of independent thinking going on. They just seem to repeat the mantras fed to them on social media. These days they just seem brainwashed and it's not their fault that they can't coherently differentiate between socialist propaganda (or any propaganda come to that) and a realistic assessment of what is actually happening. (for that you often have to look more deeply and apply a degree of forensic analysis - something not encouraged in today's world!)
  • #4,827
  • Jun 12, 2017 9:55am Jun 12, 2017 9:55am
Quoting jarhead
Mingary, you post a lot of garbage. You talk about everyone that you disagree with belonging to a cult or relying on Hildabeast aliens. In reality, you don't know enough about political affairs to hold a intelligent conversation. You don't have a clue what the Paris climate crap would have done to my country. You don't have a clue about anything Trump has accomplished in the short time he has been in office. You certainly know nothing about US politics. You also have no sense of cause and effect. I'm trying to be nice, but you need to run over and...
Congratulations you are a "true believer"

https://www.amazon.com/True-Believer-Thoughts-Movements-Perennial/dp/0060505915

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=True%20Believer
  • #4,828
  • Jun 12, 2017 10:09am Jun 12, 2017 10:09am
Quoting HudithePfupf
Magog...... Triggerd.... ;-) By the way, I am serious..... and being shocked about Trumps victory is a reaction I can understand. However, the time was ripe for disruption. Hillary wouldn't have been able to deliver on this crucial point and since the democrats shot down Bernie, their horse was set to lose the race against the Donald. While Trump probably has the egocentric mind set that people voted for him because of him, I think most voted for disruption even if it meant to deal with someone like the Donald and pay a high price to get such disruption....
Not sure why you keep banging on abt AJ - I like him abt as much as I do TYT which is not at all.

Not even sure I like Trump either apart from 2 things - Hitlery is an evil bastard and Trump is one of the first politicians who actually does what he promised to do.
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #4,829
  • Jun 12, 2017 10:17am Jun 12, 2017 10:17am
London Paul on the election.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8i08uL0pdWE&list=PLMazx8G2zIfN1SO44lsDD4DwZKbPlpEWM
Nothing strengthens authority so much as silence
  • #4,830
  • Jun 12, 2017 10:41am Jun 12, 2017 10:41am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} when they do research they are finding propaganda and believing it they are being lie to and fooling for it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOgBoQPraPg
  • #4,831
  • Jun 12, 2017 10:46am Jun 12, 2017 10:46am
Quoting jen101
{quote} They sound like Lily Allen types.
....and that was the first thought that went through my head, too xx
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #4,832
  • Jun 12, 2017 11:00am Jun 12, 2017 11:00am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} Devauxt and Jen i can promise you this is the strength of the propaganda and not a lack of intelligence they said to me with a straight face that i am the one that has been influenced by propaganda for saying JC did not make peace in Ireland ....
Hiya Ross

When the most recent violence broke out in Northern Ireland JC was a twenty-something year-old reactionary. Martin McGuiness made peace in NI by realising or deciding that the violence he was 'promoting' at the time was counter productive. He stopped doing it and engaged in political means. Maybe he was encouraged to desist by some of his countrymen such as Jerry Adams.

Verv and Dev_ are both Irish, so be careful how you trample upon their sensitivities.

Meditate upon one of my maxims in life (of which I must remind myself from time to time) .... "there ain't nothing simple" .... which is intended to remind oneself that there is a lot buried under the skin where it cannot be easily seen.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #4,833
  • Jun 12, 2017 11:18am Jun 12, 2017 11:18am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Hiya Ross When the most recent violence broke out in Northern Ireland JC was a twenty-something year-old reactionary. Martin McGuiness made peace in NI by realising or deciding that the violence he was 'promoting' at the time was counter productive. He stopped doing it and engaged in political means. Maybe he was encouraged to desist by some of his countrymen such as Jerry Adams. Verv and Dev_ are both Irish, so be careful how you trample upon their sensitivities. Meditate upon one of my maxims in life (of which I must remind myself from...
verv is the authority on the troubles and has greatly more knowledge and experience than me. My knowledge was mainly from the ROI and we only had 4 or 5 bombings, but in NI it was almost fortnightly. In the ROI, the IRA were like the mafia, violent crims, still to be feared and very prevalent
  • #4,834
  • Jun 12, 2017 11:18am Jun 12, 2017 11:18am
Quoting HudithePfupf
....Currently media content on the internet is still mainly structured on a pay per click base.... this is bad. It is one of the drivers of the click bait fake news, propaganda industry that as grown exponentially. If fiction pays better than dry seriously researched facts, because it attracts more clicks, it's no wonder the media reputation is going down the drain in parallel....
The journalistic style is to write something, and then lead the readers' thought process by telling them what the reasoned outcome should be. Eventually those with a capability to think for themselves object to this white-washing and cease buying papers, or reading output on any other media. ...it may take some time.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life! https://youtu.be/ttJBdr6eBuo
  • #4,835
  • Jun 12, 2017 11:20am Jun 12, 2017 11:20am
The left are a conundrum. That dickhead muslim London mayor can't afford to track 400 returning ISIS fighters but can set aside £1.74M toward an online hate crime unit and who is generally on the end of the offensive tweets etc ? He quite clearly shows where his loyalties lie and is a serious contender to be the largest "wooden horse" in history. I haven't noticed anyone call him out on his words as yet ? Anyone ?
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #4,836
  • Jun 12, 2017 11:41am Jun 12, 2017 11:41am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Verv and Dev_ are both Irish, so be careful how you trample upon their sensitivities. .
my family are from Ireland i was born in the UK Very is like a historian on the topic and Dev is obviously very well researched one of the main reason i bring it up in the first place was to show people them two in particular that some people think JC helped in making peace in Ireland and how history is being doctored by what i perceive to be far left wing propaganda with the purpose of tricking/manipulating people in to believing JC is a good men that helped stop terrorism once and will be able to do it again when i got home and was taking to my girl friend about it she was socked her dad is from NL so she also knows that JC helping the peace process is just a fabrication but many in my generation without any reason to have looked into these things are fooling for these lies they also said other shocking stuff about Diane Abbott being competent and how communism is good a large part of my generation get their news off facebook/MSM and in echo chamber where nonsense can go unchallenged i was just trying to highlight this to people that may not have much interaction with people from certain age groups their is a information war going on and the far left is winning by a landslide because their are completely unchallenged by any opposing opinions in these echo chambers/safe space

i was not trying to cause any offence just to show people what is being taught to some people when they are looking for info on who they should vote for people are being lie to by fake news/history
  • #4,837
  • Jun 12, 2017 11:45am Jun 12, 2017 11:45am
This is in the States but we all know across the West in general the lengths "THEY" will go to, to keep this information under wraps. I don't even think we can say it is political correctness any more. It is out and out treasonous behaviour to not report these acts or to order blackout on reporting. This is why the likes of Alex Jones, Tommy Robinson et al thrive because the mainstream media don't have the balls to go against the grain. The carpets of the West can't take any more crap being brushed under them.

https://youtu.be/KNLG6RKxVKY
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #4,838
  • Jun 12, 2017 11:52am Jun 12, 2017 11:52am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} my family are from Ireland i was born in the UK Very is like a historian on the topic and Dev is obviously very well researched one of the main reason i bring it up in the first place was to show people them two in particular that some people think JC helped in making peace in Ireland and how history is being doctored by what i perceive to be far left wing propaganda with the purpose of tricking/manipulating people in to believing JC is a good men that helped stop terrorism once and will be able to do it again when i got home and was taking...
I think everyone here knows you're not trying to cause offence mate . We know most of mainstream media is left biased that is why you have people slagging off the alternative right media which as we know is largely internet based and that is mainly due to the fact that they aren't funded by globalist media moguls who finance the major operations as getting the right kind of news out to your audience returns dividends.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #4,839
  • Jun 12, 2017 12:15pm Jun 12, 2017 12:15pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I think everyone here knows you're not trying to cause offence mate . We know most of mainstream media is left biased that is why you have people slagging off the alternative right media which as we know is largely internet based and that is mainly due to the fact that they aren't funded by globalist media moguls who finance the major operations as getting the right kind of news out to your audience returns dividends.
part of the reason i mentioned any of this is because how untrue it is it reminds me of the book 1948 which i have not read but remember hearing about a part where people are convinced that 4+4=10 or something like that and i honestly think this is what is happening in some social groups today even as Dev said there is so much research you can do for yourself which clearly points to JC not helping but they still believe the propaganda they even know my family are from Ireland and still said to me that i'm the one that has been lied to this is how strong the propaganda is it's almost unbelievable
  • #4,840
  • Jun 12, 2017 12:50pm Jun 12, 2017 12:50pm
Quoting Ross88
{quote} part of the reason i mentioned any of this is because how untrue it is it reminds me of the book 1948 which i have not read but remember hearing about a part where people are convinced that 4+4=10 or something like that and i honestly think this is what is happening in some social groups today even as Dev said there is so much research you can do for yourself which clearly points to JC not helping but they still believe the propaganda they even know my family are from Ireland and still said to me that i'm the one that has been lied to this...
https://youtu.be/-bYAQ-ZZtEU?list=PLnEsC6CL-9xyBLcHSOdJuQqIptUHDvqgX
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
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