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  • #4,121
  • May 30, 2017 2:42pm May 30, 2017 2:42pm
Quoting jarhead
{quote} I knew Europe was in trouble. Seems it's getting worse by the day. Our illegals are down 65% since Trump was inaugurated. Border patrol and Ice doing it's job now. Saw where 80% of the ones being deported now have criminal records.
I don't see politics sorting our mess out mate. We have smoke but need to see the flames.


Incidentally.... MAGOG..read few reports about Manchester today and some things don't smell right. Read a story about a homeless guy who has been hailed a hero for picking nails out of kids faces. The story is just plain strange. Nobody has mentioned you don't pull anything out of a wound, it is best left in place until properly dealt with in hospital but the guy says he did this then held someones legs up to stop them bleeding out while a paramedic dealt with the patient. I just don't buy that I'm afraid. Any medic would ask the guy who and what he is doing and if the guy could not say I'm a doctor etc they would just say thanks we'll take over now, clear the area and go to safety. Couple other things too. I was surprised to see the glass intact to the exit doors after such a blast. I'm not inferring anything but think it is right to question absolutely everything.
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  • #4,122
  • May 30, 2017 3:08pm May 30, 2017 3:08pm
Quoting verv
{quote} The federal budget last last year was 4 trillion, the tax take slightly below that. The 50% figure is way off.
Ok should have said discretionary spending of which it was actually 54% in 2015

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  • #4,123
  • May 30, 2017 3:22pm May 30, 2017 3:22pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I don't see politics sorting our mess out mate. We have smoke but need to see the flames. Incidentally.... MAGOG..read few reports about Manchester today and some things don't smell right. Read a story about a homeless guy who has been hailed a hero for picking nails out of kids faces. The story is just plain strange. Nobody has mentioned you don't pull anything out of a wound, it is best left in place until properly dealt with in hospital but the guy says he did this then held someones legs up to stop them bleeding out while a paramedic...
Yeah theres lots out there - not sure I believe any of it YET but it makes ya wonder.

Alone the fact – or the supposed fact – that the young Muslim murderer left his notorious ID behind, has become a ridiculous pattern which not even the staunchest supporter of the mainstream reports can ignore. Or can he? How come hardly anybody of the public at large questions such nonsense?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-manchester-terror-attack-is-it-a-false-flag/5592055
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  • #4,124
  • May 30, 2017 3:28pm May 30, 2017 3:28pm
Quoting verv
{quote} I don't particularly like Mays wealth tax either, unfortunately it will be the prudent that suffers. There is another side to this though, the baby boomer generation gave themselves lots of 'free' stuff; free education for a long time, free healthcare, pension at 65. The trouble is that there has been a big demographic shift (as you say) there are a lot more older people relying on a proportionally smaller tax paying base. Something will give. I paid a decent amount in tax last year (by my standards anyway) and consumed no health or welfare...
Don't worry Labour already got it sorted they gonna let millions more immigrants in to support us in our old age,
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  • #4,125
  • Edited 5:52pm May 30, 2017 3:40pm | Edited 5:52pm
Quoting Magog
{quote} Ok should have said discretionary spending of which it was actually 54% in 2015 {image}
Its weird they way they put that in 'discretionary' spending. Defence (and its associated spending) is the 'raison de etre' for government though the amount you spend on it is to a degree discretionary.

I looked at the website were you got that from to see if they were grinding an axe... they say they are a non partisan site but run with the headline Trumps war on the poor...
  • #4,126
  • May 30, 2017 3:43pm May 30, 2017 3:43pm
Quoting Magog
{quote} Ok should have said discretionary spending of which it was actually 54% in 2015 {image}
And then there is the "Black Budgets"
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  • #4,127
  • May 30, 2017 3:48pm May 30, 2017 3:48pm
Quoting Magog
{quote} Yeah theres lots out there - not sure I believe any of it YET but it makes ya wonder. Alone the fact or the supposed fact that the young Muslim murderer left his notorious ID behind, has become a ridiculous pattern which not even the staunchest supporter of the mainstream reports can ignore. Or can he? How come hardly anybody of the public at large questions such nonsense? http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-manchester-terror-attack-is-it-a-false-flag/5592055
Yep I know they always manage to find a passport when everything else has disintegrated but my jury is out on that one as it can also be viewed that they definitely want the world to know who did what. I should imagine it's good for Jihadi folklore too and guarantees their martyrdom slot.

So that one can be viewed both ways.
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  • #4,128
  • May 30, 2017 4:14pm May 30, 2017 4:14pm
Quoting Exodus
On the 8th June I could be voting for Jeremy the Shagger and Diane the Mathematician. Purely for economic reasons.... The Witch of Westminster has already declared that the Tories will examine how older people fund themselves. The track record so far ... George Osborn removing the right of a Sole Trader to recover finance charges against business income sets the scene for their real intentions, IMHO. Therefore I expect some whining about how people are living longer as the Tories plunder the prudent savings of the elderly, and what-have-you, in...
Someone has to pay for it all. Who do you think that will be? Are they going to hang around waiting to get shafted or do you think they will get the hell out? Do you think Jeremy's sums add up? I learnt tonight that he got 2 E's at A level.

In the past, children usually looked after their elderly parents and in many cultures they still do. It's a kind of payback for looking after them when they were kids. Nowadays here, the government has everyone working every waking hour. Mothers can't even look after their own babies, let alone elderly parents. So we get a generation of delinquent children and neglected elderly. Or it may be that it is culturally acceptable to just expect the state to look after your parents for you. Where is the personal responsibility and accountability?

So, with the so called dementia tax, it is not asking for money up front, not requiring you to sell your house. It is deferred till after your death. In other words, it is being taken out of the children's inheritance. So the children have a choice: look after your parents yourselves or have it taken out of your inheritance. Seems fair enough to me.
  • #4,129
  • May 30, 2017 5:53pm May 30, 2017 5:53pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} Someone has to pay for it all. Who do you think that will be? Are they going to hang around waiting to get shafted or do you think they will get the hell out? Do you think Jeremy's sums add up? I learnt tonight that he got 2 E's at A level. In the past, children usually looked after their elderly parents and in many cultures they still do. It's a kind of payback for looking after them when they were kids. Nowadays here, the government has everyone working every waking hour. Mothers can't even look after their own babies,...
Great post Jen
  • #4,130
  • May 30, 2017 8:47pm May 30, 2017 8:47pm
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  • #4,131
  • May 31, 2017 12:59am May 31, 2017 12:59am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Yep I know they always manage to find a passport when everything else has disintegrated but my jury is out on that one as it can also be viewed that they definitely want the world to know who did what. I should imagine it's good for Jihadi folklore too and guarantees their martyrdom slot. So that one can be viewed both ways.
Ok let me put this another way - The Manchester bomber was 22 yrs old.

Cast your mind back to when you were in your 20's - Coz when I was 22 there was only one thing that consumed my every waking moment apart from cars and concerts .

That was knickers - I wanted to get in the knickers of every female I knew(and some I didn't) - My mates were all the same - it's all we talked about - all the time.

Religion wasn't even on my radar and I never carried my passport unless I was going to Benidorm to meet more ''knickers'' - Was I abnormal or should I have blown myself up for Nam - No sorry this lone nutjob story is bollox - one maybe but not hundreds all over the world - it just doesn't add up.
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  • #4,132
  • May 31, 2017 1:37am May 31, 2017 1:37am
Quoting Magog
{quote} Ok let me put this another way - The Manchester bomber was 22 yrs old. Cast your mind back to when you were in your 20's - Coz when I was 22 there was only one thing that consumed my every waking moment apart from cars and concerts . That was knickers - I wanted to get in the knickers of every female I knew(and some I didn't) - My mates were all the same - it's all we talked about - all the time. Religion wasn't even on my radar and I never carried my passport unless I was going to Benidorm to meet more ''knickers'' - Was I abnormal or should...
yes but he was a skinny loser in a mostly white country and most girls like to date in their own race and the girls from his background are not exactly available i highly doubt he was getting any and on top of this he was a criminal that needed to get a £7000 student loan to fund his activities so he was poor and probably stupid as even as a criminal he didn't have much money so he blow himself up for 72 virgins so he still had the same motivation as most just a different way of achieving his goal as he was stupid and easy to manipulate
  • #4,133
  • May 31, 2017 1:44am May 31, 2017 1:44am
Quoting Magog
{quote} Ok let me put this another way - The Manchester bomber was 22 yrs old. Cast your mind back to when you were in your 20's - Coz when I was 22 there was only one thing that consumed my every waking moment apart from cars and concerts . That was knickers - I wanted to get in the knickers of every female I knew(and some I didn't) - My mates were all the same - it's all we talked about - all the time. Religion wasn't even on my radar and I never carried my passport unless I was going to Benidorm to meet more ''knickers'' - Was I abnormal or should...
I agree. I'm not saying the lone nut job line is valid. What I'm saying is the calling card is the flip side. Ultimate recognition for your part in Jihad. I have a feeling the young muslim lad has a very different upbringing and it was probably centered on swallowing all the Koooraaan has to offer and preparing them for their calling.
When the word is out in the mosques where the next target will be I'll bet they have a mile long queue mile of volunteers.

So what it comes down to is do you think because they find I.D. at every incident they are plants by CIA/MI5 etc ?
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  • #4,134
  • May 31, 2017 1:57am May 31, 2017 1:57am
Quoting Ross88
{quote} yes but he was a skinny loser in a mostly white country and most girls like to date in their own race and the girls from his background are not exactly available i highly doubt he was getting any and on top of this he was a criminal that needed to get a 7000 student loan to fund his activities so he was poor and probably stupid as even as a criminal he didn't have much money so he blow himself up for 72 virgins so he still had the same motivation as most just a different way of achieving his goal as he was stupid and easy to manipulate
Sorry Ross don't buy that 20 year olds are still kids, whether they are muslims or not - we(men/boys) are the same all over the world. Whether they are atractive to the opposite sex or or poor is irrelevent - doesn,t stop them trying
It's human nature - in our 20's we all want the same things - meet a girl - get a job get married sttle down - we do not want to blow ourselves up for 72 imaginary virgins.

But do agree that he was easy to manipulate - but I don't think it was the Imam doing the manipulating.
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  • #4,135
  • May 31, 2017 2:18am May 31, 2017 2:18am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I agree. I'm not saying the lone nut job line is valid. What I'm saying is the calling card is the flip side. Ultimate recognition for your part in Jihad. I have a feeling the young muslim lad has a very different upbringing and it was probably centered on swallowing all the Koooraaan has to offer and preparing them for their calling. When the word is out in the mosques where the next target will be I'll bet they have a mile long queue mile of volunteers. So what it comes down to is do you think because they find I.D. at every incident they...
If my theory is correct then yes.

There is an awful lot in the media atm about muslims and what evil ppl they are - Why?

Think abt all the wars that have ever been - we had to hate the Germans to start WW1/2 we had to hate Saddam, Assad and Quadaffi to start the gulf wars We had to hate Russia to start the cold war - Before TPTB can start a war they need to get the sheople to hate someone/thing.

Now we ALL hate muslims - Iran is 95% muslim and lots of politico's are already linking Iran to the terrorist atrocities - Iran has been designated as a state sponsor of terrorism.

Who wants a war with Iran - our glorious leaders do - but first they got to get us all ''onside'' - how do they do that - they kill a few ppl at a concert. How?

Easy - its called MKultra - they had the knowledge and ability to control ppls actions in the 50's(I posted something on this earlier) - Basically they can get anyone to do anything they tell them to, even kill their best friend without emotion or any memory.

You have to go deep down the rabbit hole for this stuff and I may be way off but who knows. What I do know is that Iran is next on the list for overthrow or democracy.
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  • #4,136
  • May 31, 2017 2:23am May 31, 2017 2:23am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Someone has to pay for it all. Who do you think that will be? Are they going to hang around waiting to get shafted or do you think they will get the hell out? Do you think Jeremy's sums add up? I learnt tonight that he got 2 E's at A level. In the past, children usually looked after their elderly parents and in many cultures they still do. It's a kind of payback for looking after them when they were kids. Nowadays here, the government has everyone working every waking hour. Mothers can't even look after their own babies,...
Fair comment Jen but here is my situation which is probably not that unusual. My Old Man is 90, he was boy sailor on Atlantic Convoys during WW2, he continued to go to sea post war then found his way into construction and worked until he was 76, he used to lie about his age towards the end of his working life because he loved to work and still fit as a butchers dog and looked young for his years. When he eventually retired he started to go downhill but remained independent up until about 2.5 years ago. He has Parkinson's disease and Alzheimer's, he needs full-time care now and is in nursing care which is expensive. So from the age of 14 to 76 he was paying in. A.N.Other who has lived off benefits all their life and occupied a council house can be in exactly the same position health wise and require full-time nursing care except they will not receive a bill beyond handing over most of their state pension. They both receive the same level of care, where is the equity in that ?

The other issue in terms of the family taking responsibility. All I can say is times are very different, prior generations had larger families to share the load and a lot of the women took on the care roll for parents and the man continued to be the bread winner and they managed financially. Nowadays runaway housing prices generally mean both man and wife have to work full-time to meet the mortgage burden which leaves no one to take on the care roll.
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  • #4,137
  • May 31, 2017 2:32am May 31, 2017 2:32am
Quoting Magog
{quote} If my theory is correct then yes. There is an awful lot in the media atm about muslims and what evil ppl they are - Why? Think abt all the wars that have ever been - we had to hate the Germans to start WW1/2 we had to hate Saddam, Assad and Quadaffi to start the gulf wars We had to hate Russia to start the cold war - Before TPTB can start a war they need to get the sheople to hate someone/thing. Now we ALL hate muslims - Iran is 95% muslim and lots of politico's are already linking Iran to the terrorist atrocities - Iran has been designated...
What you are saying is not lost on me, I understand but what I'm saying is that side of things does not sway my thinking one bit. I'm saying I have been around and among them long enough to have my own opinion of why I don't like them in general. The point you made to Ross about their urges has been clearly demonstrated by the likes of the grooming gangs, Rotherham, etc has that been orchestrated by CIA/MI5 ?
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  • #4,138
  • May 31, 2017 2:35am May 31, 2017 2:35am
Quoting Magog
{quote} Sorry Ross don't buy that 20 year olds are still kids, whether they are muslims or not - we(men/boys) are the same all over the world. Whether they are atractive to the opposite sex or or poor is irrelevent - doesn,t stop them trying It's human nature - in our 20's we all want the same things - meet a girl - get a job get married sttle down - we do not want to blow ourselves up for 72 imaginary virgins. But do agree that he was easy to manipulate - but I don't think it was the Imam doing the manipulating.
yes but me and you do not believe that a guy flew away from earth on a unicorn if we did it's not that hard to go one step further and believe that by killing yourself you will get 72 virgins so why bother putting the hard work into getting girls if your a skinny loser when you can just blow yourself up to him they are not imaginary virgins they are real women and their will be the women of his dreams all of them will be 10 out of 10
  • #4,139
  • May 31, 2017 3:11am May 31, 2017 3:11am
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  • #4,140
  • May 31, 2017 3:13am May 31, 2017 3:13am
Quoting Magog
{quote} Don't worry Labour already got it sorted they gonna let millions more immigrants in to support us in our old age,

Good luck with that one!
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