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  • #3,922
  • May 23, 2017 3:59pm May 23, 2017 3:59pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} I know the youngest killed was 8, the same age as my eldest. There were many. We will have the full numbers soon.
It is heart rending. I know we all think of our children and grandchildren when crap like this happens. The worse part is not that this evil exist -- it's that so many dumb ass's don't pay attention or simply don't care.
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  • #3,923
  • May 23, 2017 4:14pm May 23, 2017 4:14pm
Quoting verv
Thank goodness I don't have twitter, just came across this: "Salman Abedi, like Khalid Masood, was born in UK. Closed borders would have prevented neither - both acts were committed by UK nationals." So middle eastern Muslim families just spontaneously started appearing in the UK and having children... makes sense
(This has been long time in the making. I saw this change in Tower Hamlets about 27 years ago and it's been totally taboo subject for most of that period.)


Well if the mantle was taken up earlier enough it might have if their parents hadn't made it here. All this nonsense I hear about them being British sickens me because in birth only is it true. They are far from British. If they know of one bad apple they should clear the whole family out, I don't accept that their tendencies have just happened, it's their upbringing and the crap they have been indoctrinated with. Ship them all out.

But it will all be ok because they are reading out a "Defiance Poem" in the middle of Manchester tonight, yes that will do it !!
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  • #3,924
  • May 23, 2017 4:19pm May 23, 2017 4:19pm
Quoting jarhead
{quote} It is heart rending. I know we all think of our children and grandchildren when crap like this happens. The worse part is not that this evil exist -- it's that so many dumb ass's don't pay attention or simply don't care.

Apart from the dumbasses Jim. I think many have a sense of helplessness, like their hands are tied because any strong civilian response will be met with vigour by our legal system, that I can almost guarantee.
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  • #3,925
  • May 23, 2017 4:32pm May 23, 2017 4:32pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Apart from the dumbasses Jim. I think many have a sense of helplessness, like their hands are tied because any strong civilian response will be met with vigour by our legal system, that I can almost guarantee.
I know. Some of us are old enough to have watched our society raise a generation and half who are ignorant of history, that are afraid, that don't want to get involved who need "safe areas" -- too many males who have never learned to be men. Unfortunately, it's going to take something major to turn it around. It's sad to see what has happened to the world -- I don't have an answer.
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  • #3,926
  • May 23, 2017 5:13pm May 23, 2017 5:13pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} (This has been long time in the making. I saw this change in Tower Hamlets about 27 years ago and it's been totally taboo subject for most of that period.) Well if the mantle was taken up earlier enough it might have if their parents hadn't made it here. All this nonsense I hear about them being British sickens me because in birth only is it true. They are far from British. If they know of one bad apple they should clear the whole family out, I don't accept that their tendencies have just happened, it's their upbringing and the crap they...
This will fill you with confidence http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40010554/manchester-attack-jeremy-corbyn-on-traumatic-time
  • #3,927
  • May 24, 2017 1:03am May 24, 2017 1:03am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} This will fill you with confidence http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40010554/manchester-attack-jeremy-corbyn-on-traumatic-time
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  • #3,928
  • May 24, 2017 2:13am May 24, 2017 2:13am
I have a proposal. We set up a petition with UK petitions committee to close down all mosques in the UK. We can work together on how best to word it and to word the accompanying reasons why. When we get 100k signatures, which I think in this current climate would be very easy, the person fronting the petition will have to meet with a committee of MPs to put forward the case to present to Parliament. We can invite Tommy Robinson along to argue our corner.

The way I see it, it is on a parallel to Dunblane. Hand guns were banned in the UK after that one massacre. So that throws out the case for the so called peaceful, law abiding majority. Also a shocking statistic that Tommy exposed in his latest video, which I posted yesterday, 66% of Muslims will not grass on another Muslim to a non Muslim, because if they do, they believe they will burn in hell.

I nominate Stu to front the petition.
  • #3,929
  • May 24, 2017 2:36am May 24, 2017 2:36am
Quoting jen101
I have a proposal. We set up a petition with UK petitions committee to close down all mosques in the UK. We can work together on how best to word it and to word the accompanying reasons why. When we get 100k signatures, which I think in this current climate would be very easy, the person fronting the petition will have to meet with a committee of MPs to put forward the case to present to Parliament. We can invite Tommy Robinson along to argue our corner. The way I see it, it is on a parallel to Dunblane. Hand guns were banned in the UK after...
I admire the sentiment, but I think it would be unrealistic. Better to close down any mosque where hate speech, violence, promotion of jihad, Sharia over UK laws and any other treasonous acts are promoted
  • #3,930
  • May 24, 2017 2:43am May 24, 2017 2:43am
Manchester - Joining the dots.......

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47118.htm

It's time we started asking some awkward q's - like Why and Cui Bono - follow the money
Why do these random nutjobs, all over the world suddenly decide to blow themselves, and others up, in the name of Islam - what motivates them and why.

I find it difficult to believe that they are independent random acts or just copycats - are they really that stupid - does the Koran really tell them that they will go to heaven if they kill lots of innocent children - I find that hard to believe - so why do they do it. Most religions teach that it is a mortal sin to kill ourselves, let alone other ppl.

Most of these acts seem to be linked to an extreme form of Islam - Wahabism - so what is that. Isn't Wahabism linked to the House of Saud and isn't that linked to Israel

We know these acts are perpetrated by ''radicalized'' Moslems - so who is behind that and where is the benefit - to whom.

Isn't radicalization a form of brain washing or mind control - MK Ultra?

Who's behind - it - ISIS? Who really is ISIS - didn't they start out as AlQuaida and weren't they created by the CIA to fight the Russians.

My thinking on all this is a bit disjointed atm and I need to do a lot more digging

Thoughts anyone?
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  • #3,931
  • May 24, 2017 3:46am May 24, 2017 3:46am
Quoting Magog
Manchester - Joining the dots....... http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47118.htm It's time we started asking some awkward q's - like Why and Cui Bono - follow the money Why do these random nutjobs, all over the world suddenly decide to blow themselves, and others up, in the name of Islam - what motivates them and why. I find it difficult to believe that they are independent random acts or just copycats - are they really that stupid - does the Koran really tell them that they will go to heaven if they kill lots of innocent children...
Here is something to consider. If you published the Quorn (I know I misspelt it), it wouldn't and couldn't get published because it would be deemed a work of violent incitement (576 references to violence against non believers alone), religious intolerance, hatred and misogyny. This is the biggest clue as to where the issue lies. Mine Kampf has nothing on it
  • #3,932
  • May 24, 2017 3:46am May 24, 2017 3:46am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I admire the sentiment, but I think it would be unrealistic. Better to close down any mosque where hate speech, violence, promotion of jihad, Sharia over UK laws and any other treasonous acts are promoted
Agree. We need to appear more moderate otherwise we will get thrown out at the first step. Can we work something out?
  • #3,933
  • May 24, 2017 3:57am May 24, 2017 3:57am
I'm starting to think that treason should be rewarded by burning at the stake ... slowly and in public.
I wonder if TB is guilty of treason on the grounds of pursuing his own agenda to the detriment of our country.

Quoting jen101
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  • #3,934
  • May 24, 2017 4:16am May 24, 2017 4:16am
Quoting Exodus
I'm starting to think that treason should be rewarded by burning at the stake ... slowly and in public. I wonder if TB is guilty of treason on the grounds of pursuing his own agenda to the detriment of our country. {quote} Jen, you may want to re-think some of your choice of words
OK. Let's burn them at the stake, slowly and in public.
  • #3,935
  • May 24, 2017 4:17am May 24, 2017 4:17am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Agree. We need to appear more moderate otherwise we will get thrown out at the first step. Can we work something out?
Happy to have that discussion
  • #3,936
  • May 24, 2017 5:30am May 24, 2017 5:30am
Quoting jen101
{quote} OK. Let's burn them at the stake, slowly and in public.
Thought police on the prowl again.
See you just got CoC'd Jen - be careful
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  • #3,937
  • May 24, 2017 5:37am May 24, 2017 5:37am
Saudi Arabia 'funding Islamic extremism in the West', German vice-chancellor Sigmar Gabriel claims

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/saudi-arabia-funding-islamic-extremism-west-german-vice-chancellor-sigmar-gabriel-a6763366.html
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  • #3,938
  • May 24, 2017 6:10am May 24, 2017 6:10am
has anyone seen the interview with the mum that report the women for behaving suspiciously outside the concert and the police told the mum off it appears the interview has been removed from the internet if anyone see it let me know please

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if this is a fact i feel like punching myself in the face because that what we are doing as a country
  • #3,939
  • Edited 1:59pm May 24, 2017 7:33am | Edited 1:59pm
Quoting jen101
I have a proposal. We set up a petition with UK petitions committee to close down all mosques in the UK. We can work together on how best to word it and to word the accompanying reasons why. When we get 100k signatures, which I think in this current climate would be very easy, the person fronting the petition will have to meet with a committee of MPs to put forward the case to present to Parliament. We can invite Tommy Robinson along to argue our corner. The way I see it, it is on a parallel to Dunblane. Hand guns were banned in the UK after...
Jen I honestly think it's too little too late. And with reference to Devs comment, how do you know which ones preach hate ? If they all follow the Kooooraaaan they are filled with hate and shite in my view.
There are groups who are actively opposing Islam in the UK but what I can't understand is why they are disjointed. Britain First, EDL etc. It makes sense for these groups to amalgamate. At present Britain First is registered as a political party and it would make sense to swell their ranks and have a guy like Douglas Murray at the helm. The current leaders are passionate but unfortunately are just seen as yard dogs. It needs an articulate leader, who thoroughly knows the subject matter who can engage the current government setting out exactly the way forward and if the message falls on deaf ears the only avenue left is to have sufficient numbers to take matters into own hands which in effect will likely be civil war. Obviously the winner gets to run the show. In many situations violence is the only option for violence. Some clowns who are willing to strap a bomb to their back in the name of some backward goat herder are not to be reasoned with.
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  • #3,940
  • Edited 8:49am May 24, 2017 8:22am | Edited 8:49am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Jen I honestly think it's too little too late. And with reference to Devs comment, how do you know which ones preach hate ? If they all follow the Kooooraaaan they are filled with hate and shite in my view. There are groups who are actively opposing Islam in the UK but what I can't understand is why they are disjointed. Britain First, EDL etc. It makes sense for these groups to amalgamate. At present Britain First is registered as a political party and it would make sense to swell their ranks and have a guy like Murray Murray at the helm....
Groups like EDL and Britain First are right wing thug groups whose answer is violence. They won't get much mainstream support. I disagree with fighting violence with violence and it's not something I can support. That would just become a vicious bloodbath cycle. We are not barbarians. We can be a lot cleverer than that.

You will never beat them using violence. They have absolutely nothing to lose and they believe they will get their 21 virgins in heaven. You have too much to lose.
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