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  • #150,941
  • May 6, 2017 10:08am May 6, 2017 10:08am
Quoting The Fool
{quote}lt ok but st & mt no
i 'm a bit cautios on MT & LT too
  • #150,942
  • May 6, 2017 10:09am May 6, 2017 10:09am
Quoting ClinicalEx
{quote} I think Obama's endorsement of Macron was overt election interference on a much broader scale. Of course that is ignored and normalized by the MSM but it's still more than enough to mobilize those on the left who are on the fence about Macron like the Melanchon socialists. Anyway, more than expecting a Macron win tomorrow.
interference yes but legal.

Public endorsement and theft are not on the same page for me
  • #150,943
  • May 6, 2017 10:27am May 6, 2017 10:27am
Quoting change
{quote} interference yes but legal. Public endorsement and theft are not on the same page for me
What about lying?
  • #150,944
  • May 6, 2017 10:52am May 6, 2017 10:52am
Let NZ open.
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  • #150,945
  • May 6, 2017 5:20pm May 6, 2017 5:20pm
Quoting ClinicalEx
{quote} I think Obama's endorsement of Macron was overt election interference on a much broader scale. Of course that is ignored and normalized by the MSM but it's still more than enough to mobilize those on the left who are on the fence about Macron like the Melanchon socialists. Anyway, more than expecting a Macron win tomorrow.
A bit over the top, don't you think?

A private individual making a public statement vs a criminal gang committing a crime thats punishable with jail, hacking private information, leaking an unreadeable collage of documents with 1/2 of them false on purpose to create even more chaos, 3 minutes before a legal ban (when they know it for weeks) and all to create maximum damage on democracy and distorting reality and affecting an electoral process...right same bar, isn't it?

Look Obama, (Putin also openly endorsed Le Pen and he is not even a private person which is actually wrong) or whoever else is just a private person giving a public opinion, which is rather very different that somebody from abroad committing a crime and trying to create chaos and mislead people and affect the outcome of and election before a democratic process.

Quoting Pharm0r
lol, why be pissed off over something you and 95% of the voting public haven't even read. The leaks are too late, and ineffective. Probably by design. Pointing the finger at Russia.... Seems to be a lot of Russian finger pointing going on lately....meanwhile CIA/NSA busy
--> I know there is a big pro Russian group here in FF that are very loud and vocal but don't get me wrong I personally don't give a damn the name of a country. I criticize equally the dinosaurs in the UK when are making stupid economic policies, or in the US when DT goes against free markets and trade or random dictator in NK or Venezuela abusing power for their benefits and cronies...

--> In the case of Russia, is not the country, neither most of the people (smart, well educated and hard working) but the oligarchs in power abusing it and trying to break down their neighbours and world in chaos for their own economic and purely political interests. This is the issue not a dogmatic 'we don't like Russia' as you seem to be trying to portrait what is going on....

--> The problem of the world is that we are forgetting the real principles...so my neighbour is raper, ok its ok for me to rob a bank because is not that bad at the end ... damn this was illegal, criminal and foreign public interference and I would have the same reaction against any democratic elected leader from right or left anywhere in the world ...that's is the principle ...

IMO, You seem to be taken democracy, freedom and all the great things you enjoy in a country like the US for granted and maybe underestimated how fragile it is. I prefer to edge always towards caution and to be very loud and clear when things like these happens in front of out eyes. Sure the masses won't even read it, thats how lobotomised our countries has become and how easy will be for those groups to inflict maximum damage as they have already done in many cases....

Will leave the politics open till the results tomorrow ....

sisse
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  • #150,946
  • May 6, 2017 11:38pm May 6, 2017 11:38pm
Quoting chester123
playing with charts some of sisses comments are in "xxx". kind of nicely explains what was happening. as we cleared risk we back to flip. expect soft continuation next week if macron wins as expected. {image}
That sir, is awesome. I should have been doing that myself. Big thanks!
  • #150,947
  • May 7, 2017 1:50am May 7, 2017 1:50am
give the oligarchs a break for taking down Hillariously. Paul Singer and his puppet Marco Rubio are resposible for it -
"make sure that there is no Hillary president or President Bernie that will put him out of business. Hillarys action probably cost him a half-billion or a billion dollars. And hes going to - he wants blood. And he wants his guy in the White House, which means anyone but Bernie, anyone but Hillary."
  • #150,948
  • May 7, 2017 3:22am May 7, 2017 3:22am
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This will fulfill LT, MT and ST Sell Outlook.

Sentiment of the French:

The well educated, well paid, pro EU, virtue signalling liberal middle class for the last 30+ years have been so brainwashed by cultural marxism, that they are completely out of touch with how most ordinary people have been affected in France by the Euro and uncontrolled immigration.
But rest assured, these liberal middle class hypocrites and traitors will have a shock of their lifetime when the results to the election are announced ;
LE PEN WILL WIN AND BE PRESIDENT OF FRANCE !

Look at the way these shills wrote Marine Le Pen's profile. Disgusting. You have no influence any more, media. You will not get your way.


The young people know. All over Europe there is a high degree of mistrust for MSM. They are beginning to act (with alternatives).
Le Pen has a high level of support from the young.
  • #150,949
  • May 7, 2017 3:49am May 7, 2017 3:49am
Quoting AstroStudent
{image} This will fulfill LT, MT and ST Sell Outlook. Sentiment of the French: The well educated, well paid, pro EU, virtue signalling liberal middle class for the last 30+ years have been so brainwashed by cultural marxism, that they are completely out of touch with how most ordinary people have been affected in France by the Euro and uncontrolled immigration. But rest assured, these liberal middle class hypocrites and traitors will have a shock of their lifetime when the results to the election are announced ; LE PEN WILL WIN AND BE PRESIDENT...
It that a poll?
I can not see any poll where Le Pen is in lead. It is anyway just polls. But with a qte secure difference more then 20% to Macron I will be very surprised if we see a Le Pen win today Much more then I was with the Trump victory in USA.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe...eporting-story
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  • #150,950
  • May 7, 2017 4:38am May 7, 2017 4:38am
Quoting Pharm0r
{quote} What about lying?
Not good, in fact Macron sued Le Pen on that off-shore account

Jokes aside, you can give your own judgment on a free person opinions: lies, inappropriate, interference, immoral or wise words, right, etc but it's something perfectly legal that has nothing to do with mine or yours or their opinion being rigth or wrong, it's about democracy and freedom.

I could say now Trump is the best or the worst US President in the history, and that would be only my opinion, and you would have your opinion on mine, no matter which.

On the other side there is a criminal violation and a theft (i would have condamned if Le Pen was the victim too).

Not on the same page.
  • #150,951
  • May 7, 2017 4:43am May 7, 2017 4:43am
Quoting sisse
--> The problem of the world is that we are forgetting the real principles...so my neighbour is raper, ok its ok for me to rob a bank because is not that bad at the end ... damn this was illegal, criminal and foreign public interference and I would have the same reaction against any democratic elected leader from right or left anywhere in the world ...that's is the principle ...

IMO, You seem to be taken democracy, freedom and all the great things you enjoy in a country like the US for granted and maybe underestimated how fragile it is....
game set and match
  • #150,952
  • Edited 8:53am May 7, 2017 7:57am | Edited 8:53am
So we got one guy congratulating himself for totally calling the email hack last week when he blamed the press for distorting polls (not sure how those two things are related but he thought it deserved a victory lap either way).
Then we got another guy with some kind of image (like Earlone said, where did that come from? Source please) photoshopping predicting a total landslide for the underdog because...guess what, the press again! Surprise!

As soon as we can blame the press as the heart of the problem, as lying coconspirators, we can then project whatever fantasy reality we want on the world and never be challenged or disproven. Anyone who counters our fairy tale with fact is immediately told they are brainwashed by the MSM propaganda. Too naive to see thru Anderson Coopers grande scheme or whatever.
When you are trying to fool millions of people the first step, the one it all hinges on, is to make them distrust the sources they have for truth and transparency. Make powerless the one force that can show clearly to the people how they are being fooled.
The media has always had a bias one way or the other. People want bias. I sell newspapers. Some want the Times, some want the WSJ, some want the NewYorkPost. You think if im out of the NYT he/she is just going to grab a Post? No! Because news is like cigarettes. It practically defines brand loyalty. That bias don't mean it's all a big conspiracy to overreact and blame everything on. And yes, they spin a bit this way or spin a bit that way. Always have. If you do your research its not even a little hard to avoid the outright liars here anyway.
If the point in the US that keeps getting used for comparison, is the Trump victory and how the media got a big surprise after attempting to manipulate the result through mind control and fake polling, it seems prudent to point out that most people in the USA get their news from FOX so not sure how that theory adds up.
I am suspect of anyone at all be it on TV or anywhere else telling me "psst...don't believe the reporters, they are lying to you..believe me instead." because if anything looks like a conspiracy to fool people from where I sit, it's that back alley bullshit. Seriously. If you got some subscription rag or website (or major news network) telling you "We got all the goods right here, but first you need to believe that EVERYONE else is lying to you." and you don't bail on that right away, I got a card game I'd love to teach you.

Only three cards, all you gotta do is find the queen. That guy right next to you been winning all day. I'm almost broke now about to pack it up and go home. Why don't try just once. I'll deal one more hand. Come on, it's easy.
  • #150,953
  • May 7, 2017 7:59am May 7, 2017 7:59am
Voter turnout inline (bad news for extrem-right) and leaks so far a flop, no bombshell discovered so far among the 9 GB of documents. Many twitter and facebook accounts breaking the legal ban and publishing the leaked documents and adding some crude forgeries closed during the weekend. Extrem-right keyboard warriors complaining about the censorship, the silence of the medias and now starting to say it's a coup d'etat. Wondering how Le Pen will concede defeat tonight. Leaks could however be a game changer for parliamentary elections that will take place in June if something is found.
  • #150,954
  • Edited 10:14am May 7, 2017 8:34am | Edited 10:14am
Quoting Replicant
Voter turnout inline (bad news for extrem-right) and leaks so far a flop, no bombshell discovered so far among the 9 GB of documents. Many twitter and facebook accounts breaking the ........
Most important stat today. Just heard about some turning in blank "protest" ballots. Turnout may not mean votes.

Headed out. By the time I'm back onshore to an internet signal tonight it will all be over. Here's to hoping for the best outcome. Whatever the French people feel that is.
  • #150,955
  • May 7, 2017 10:10am May 7, 2017 10:10am
Quoting goosebone
{quote} Most important stat today.
Voter turnout is now below expectations at 5pm gmt+1 (worst turnout in decades)
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but let's check rtbf.be (polls available)
https://www.rtbf.be/info/monde/detai...tbf?id=9599726
double check :
http://www.lesoir.be/1497943/article...es-voix-direct
  • #150,956
  • Edited 11:21am May 7, 2017 11:06am | Edited 11:21am
Quoting Pharm0r
{quote}However; you -nor the rest of the world- has any proof that it is Russia. Could be China, could be Korea.The only thing you have to go on, is that Macron's team "said so", so it must be true.
There are other sources but I agree it's not clear yet.

Vitali Kremez, director of research with US-based cyber intelligence firm Flashpoint, said his analysis indicated that APT 28, a group tied to Russias GRU military intelligence directorate, was behind the leak. [...]
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7721796.html


The campaign of the French pesidential frontrunner, Emmanuel Macron, has been targeted by hackers linked to Russia, according to researchers with a Japanese anti-virus firm. The researchers added to previous suggestions that the centrist politician was being singled out for electronic eavesdropping by the Kremlin. [...]
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...ays-cyber-firm

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/860973542934024193
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and to be fair :
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  • #150,957
  • May 7, 2017 11:13am May 7, 2017 11:13am
The post was inappropriate and not really a fight I want to bring to the thread, so I deleted it.

My only point is- I don't think Russia is always the bad guy, nor do I think any of our candidates whether right or left are clean. Seems all of them serve their own interest and disrupt the democratic process in their own ways, for that reason I believe hacking and Wikileaks serve a good purpose by being the lesser evil and exposing many atrocities perpetrated by various political groups around the world
  • #150,958
  • May 7, 2017 11:35am May 7, 2017 11:35am
Heads up....results first early polls will start coming from next hour....

sisse
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  • #150,959
  • May 7, 2017 11:36am May 7, 2017 11:36am
Quoting Pharm0r
The post was inappropriate and not really a fight I want to bring to the thread, so I deleted it. My only point is- I don't think Russia is always the bad guy, nor do I think any of our candidates whether right or left are clean. Seems all of them serve their own interest and disrupt the democratic process in their own ways, for that reason I believe hacking and Wikileaks serve a good purpose by being the lesser evil and exposing many atrocities perpetrated by various political groups around the world
I don't have the feeling sisse said that.
For the leaks just before the ban, I disagree, it smelled like a reichstag fire 2.0.

62-65 latest update from our belgian friends
  • #150,960
  • May 7, 2017 11:56am May 7, 2017 11:56am
Quoting Replicant
{quote} I don't have the feeling sisse said that. For the leaks just before the ban, I disagree, it smelled like a reichstag fire 2.0. 62-65 latest update from our belgian friends
It seems we are reaching the end of the chapter ...we'll start getting confirmation any minute if the results are wide enough to call it early ...

sisse
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