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  • #150,021
  • Apr 19, 2017 6:10am Apr 19, 2017 6:10am
Quoting gatorinla
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/16/w...s-erdogan.html major political ww3 fires all over the world,,, so lets play golf..
On Erdogan: he either takes over all the power or they are heading for civil war - for europe the former definitelly much better (easier to cope with a blackmailing dictator) than the later (= country of 10s of milions in chaos).

feel very sorry for that society, which has always been stragling between nationalism, islamism, conservatism and democracy, secularism, liberalism, loosing it these days for many years to come. if anyone wants to read more about this complex history of Turkey, I recommend books of Orhan Pamuk.

on EU side: I think someone should ask why the f**k are so many turks with EU citizenship voting for Erdogan. I think its time to rethink the concept of double/triple etc. citizenship to start.

  • #150,022
  • Apr 19, 2017 6:14am Apr 19, 2017 6:14am
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} add into the equation turkey. if a NATO member becomes a dictatorship, does NATO still fight for him?, to the point would a attack on turkey or turkey attacking another mean NATO comes to its side. go back through 10 yrs of post. several mentions of a time when NATO fights NATO. and or many countries getting together with a single currency getting along is a myth, its been tried before, the euro dollar isn't the first time. it was tried long before with gold and silver with a central bank in rome. in a civil war in turkey who would NATO...
Seems more efficient then brexit referendum. Brits could learn from it.
Only Turkey isn't a member of the European union and probably won't be.
  • #150,023
  • Apr 19, 2017 6:15am Apr 19, 2017 6:15am
right in the middle..
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  • #150,024
  • Apr 19, 2017 6:23am Apr 19, 2017 6:23am
Quoting chester123
{quote} On Erdogan: he either takes over all the power or they are heading for civil war - for europe the former definitelly much better (easier to cope with a blackmailing dictator) than the later (= country of 10s of milions in chaos). feel very sorry for that society, which has always been stragling between nationalism, islamism, conservatism and democracy, secularism, liberalism, loosing it these days for many years to come. if anyone wants to read more about this complex history of Turkey, I recommend books of Orhan Pamuk. on EU side: I think...
it's definitely complex. right smack in the middle.. i doubt the election will stop a civil war. nobody wants to mess with turkey.. but it will be hard to suppress people in the middle of 3 continents. factions from all its borders will weigh in on border populations. in this day of internet, info will get out.. and i have no doubt Putin will stir the pot toward his view.
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  • #150,025
  • Apr 19, 2017 6:35am Apr 19, 2017 6:35am
p.s. we got an idiot, who wants to cut. state department spending. we got another idiot who ran for president, who wanted to abolish the energy department. he now runs that department. its kinda ironic and moronic at the same time. a presidential candidate who wanted to abolish the department who regulates u.s. nuke weapons.. you cant make this shit up.. nobody would believe you.. unless you had it on tape..
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  • #150,026
  • Apr 19, 2017 6:40am Apr 19, 2017 6:40am
Quoting gatorinla
p.s. we got an idiot, who wants to cut. state department spending. we got another idiot who ran for president, who wanted to abolish the energy department. he now runs that department. its kinda ironic and moronic at the same time. a presidential candidate who wanted to abolish the department who regulates u.s. nuke weapons.. you cant make this shit up.. nobody would believe you.. unless you had it on tape..
oh and btw this ass clown fired many/all of the top state department people with experience. now its a skeleton crew... some people with 30 and even 40 years were fired.. old rex is basically a one man show... at least hailey dont filter trumps bs toward russia.. i give trump an A+ on her.. and a F on most of the cronies..
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  • #150,027
  • Edited 6:56am Apr 19, 2017 6:40am | Edited 6:56am
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} it's definitely complex. right smack in the middle.. i doubt the election will stop a civil war. nobody wants to mess with turkey.. but it will be hard to suppress people in the middle of 3 continents. factions from all its borders will weigh in on border populations. in this day of internet, info will get out.. and i have no doubt Putin will stir the pot toward his view.
I have a few friends from turkey who have already been telling me about civil war for about 5 years. back in those good days before all this s**t with refugee crisis and erdogan seriously taking power started. so far all in track with their predictions.

however, from a value neutral point and as a non-citizen of Turkey, I quietly prefer erdogan over civil war cuz that would be major geopolitical disaster.

Quoting gatorinla
p.s. we got an idiot, who wants to cut. state department spending. we got another idiot who ran for president, who wanted to abolish the energy department. he now runs that department. its kinda ironic and moronic at the same time. a presidential candidate who wanted to abolish the department who regulates u.s. nuke weapons.. you cant make this shit up.. nobody would believe you.. unless you had it on tape..
that man you desribing is in my view much more dangerous than Putin or Erdogan. They are just veeery experienced pragmatic power technicians addicted to rule. Trump is nothing - just someone who has just felt the military power for the first time and that will not end well.

Agree with Sisse on the Iran topic. Even though I would never support their insane shia islamic orthodox bul*sh*t as well as any other of that kind (sorry, usually I dont use that many swear words, but these topics, oh my) - I will feel sorry for them to be the next in line. The US and Israel anti-Iran obsession combined with pro Saudi policy is just an incentive to throw up
  • #150,028
  • Apr 19, 2017 6:57am Apr 19, 2017 6:57am
Quoting chester123
{quote} I have a few friends from turkey who have already been telling me about civil war for about 5 years. back in those good days before all this s**t with refugee crisis and erdogan seriously taking power started. so far all in track with their predictions. however, from a value neutral point and as a non-citizen of Turkey, I quietly prefer erdogan over civil war cuz that would be major geopolitical disaster.
i got some ff post on turkey topic here myself. probably at least 8+ years.. one of my net pals from turkey is mia atm.. i hope all is ok with him.. i would rather the world be at peace. i dont have a vote in it. i am just reporting the reality. i did add dumbfuck or idiot to a few things. but if you take that portion out. the rest is factual. not the "alternative facts" kind of factual. it dont make it hard to see the difference between facts or opinion.

opinion wise i would love to live in utopia, fact wise, who itf are we kidding? man is a animal, we have gnawed on our enemies bones before. we will do it again. you me and everyone we know is a product of rape, murder and pillaging. it's what got us here. it's in our DNA just below the surface.
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  • #150,029
  • Apr 19, 2017 7:01am Apr 19, 2017 7:01am
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} i got some here myself. probably at least 8+ years.. one of my net pals from turkey is mia atm.. i hope all is ok with him.. i would rather the world be at peace. i dont have a vote in it. i am just reporting the reality. i did add dumbfuck or idiot to a few things. but if you take that portion out. the rest is factual. not the "alternative facts" kind of factual. it dont make it hard to see the difference between facts or opinion. opinion wise i would love to live in utopia, fact wise, who itf are we kidding? man is a animal, we have gnawed...
haha, and Gatorinla is incarnation of Thomas Hobbes. Pre-state natural state of pure human nature as "In such condition, there is no place for industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving, and removing, such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short." (wiki)
  • #150,030
  • Apr 19, 2017 7:05am Apr 19, 2017 7:05am
hey rock,,, what's happening in your view? u have been mia
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  • #150,031
  • Apr 19, 2017 7:08am Apr 19, 2017 7:08am
Quoting gatorinla
hey rock,,, what's happening in your view?
haha just found this very relevant article, kinda shows the media circus/ DT show is more transparent than ever with the web


http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/04...rill-Australia
  • #150,032
  • Apr 19, 2017 7:13am Apr 19, 2017 7:13am
Quoting chester123
{quote} haha, and Gatorinla is incarnation of Thomas Hobbes. Pre-state natural state of pure human nature as "In such condition, there is no place for industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving, and removing, such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and...
just the opposite.. but not naive to where we came from. for us not to go back. we need to recognize the signs b4 hand.. they sneak in slowly, such as.. rule one. create a wolf real or fake.
rule 2 attack the media and the wolf often.

skipping a few rules..
but basicly around rule 7 or 8 put your stolen wealth into gold, bonds and land..
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  • #150,033
  • Apr 19, 2017 7:39am Apr 19, 2017 7:39am
Quoting gatorinla
hey rock,,, what's happening in your view? u have been mia
I don't think he will become dictator. As far as I can see he is under control of nationalist deep state after Gülenist coup attempt. I think he survived because those nationalists helped him to escape from Marmaris raid. His latest politics become very similar to nationalist politics against south east terror problem. That is why Nationalist Movement Party backed him during coup and last referendum. Actually I believe he also got help from them during Gülenist operation while back in 2013. And that operation started his relation with nationalists. The problem is Erdoğan and Gülen were ally since day 1. Because Gülen had educated people around him and all government and state departments filled with those guys because AKP needed them to manage daily routines. But at some point Gülen decided to try took him out and failed. So now he is trying to clear all Gülenist people from state and from his party.
  • #150,034
  • Apr 19, 2017 7:53am Apr 19, 2017 7:53am
Quoting Rockerzeus
{quote} I don't think he will become dictator. As far as I can see he is under control of nationalist deep state after Glenist coup attempt. I think he survived because those nationalists helped him to escape from Marmaris raid. His latest politics become very similar to nationalist politics against south east terror problem. That is why Nationalist Movement Party backed him during coup and last referendum. Actually I believe he also got help from them during Glenist operation while back in 2013. And that operation started his relation with nationalists....
thanks man.. good to hear from you. i hope all is well. stay safe
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  • #150,035
  • Apr 19, 2017 7:57am Apr 19, 2017 7:57am
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} thanks man.. good to hear from you. i hope all is well. stay safe
I am Ok so far I hope all is well too.
  • #150,036
  • Apr 19, 2017 8:29am Apr 19, 2017 8:29am
Eyes on US equities (2340.xx for ref SPX) as only level of interest across the board today.

sisse

Quoting Deitreider
Looking like EU wants to go higher before it goes lower. I guess 784 like Gatorinla and Goosebone pointed out. I'm also seeing a Deep Crab ending at 764.
I have seen you posting some charts in the thread but before going there ...a quick question where do you think +/- we are rolling today in the Euro?

sisse
Pending conversations? PM for a chat...I am mainly in OTM now
  • #150,037
  • Apr 19, 2017 8:43am Apr 19, 2017 8:43am
Quoting sisse
I have seen you posting some charts in the thread but before going there ...a quick question where do you think +/- we are rolling today in the Euro? sisse
I must admit I don't still understand what "roll" means. I'm guessing it's different than rollover.
  • #150,038
  • Apr 19, 2017 8:59am Apr 19, 2017 8:59am
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} coming up on the 12h.. not gonna make 108.73, but 108.56 in play.. {image}
hoping 1.0917 ish dont cap it.. with a close above 1.0873 for london.. a visit back to 1.0873 would make sense with 1.0917 st cap. if not in.. maybe another shot.. anyway now 1.0873 may be supportive.. i would have closed my long already if i was st playing.. and looking to either short or reload long on a drop to 087x.. the long depending on 0873+ london roll
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  • #150,039
  • Apr 19, 2017 9:01am Apr 19, 2017 9:01am
Gotta update the FA status there. But just for the technical map. The second map is what I think is the most likely scenarion. Of course is gonna be tons of volatility so ius not gonna be that clean. But just for the basic direction. 1. Macron + Le pen win, 2. neutral FED , 3. neutral NFP, 4. Macron wins. just a shot
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  • #150,040
  • Apr 19, 2017 9:10am Apr 19, 2017 9:10am
Quoting gatorinla
{quote} hoping 1.0917 ish dont cap it.. with a close above 1.0873 for london.. a visit back to 1.0873 would make sense with 1.0917 st cap. if not in.. maybe another shot.. anyway now 1.0873 may be supportive.. i would have closed my long already if i was st playing.. and looking to either short or reload long on a drop to 087x.. the long depending on 0873+ london roll {image}
second support week 0856.. 0873 will lose some value probably after today
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