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  • #3,001
  • Apr 7, 2017 2:33am Apr 7, 2017 2:33am
Not again please . This became very boring.

Others please don't get ready and reply and roll this thread with useless pages. These people are genuine as they speak what they experienced.

But I tell you with full confidence if you don't experience doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
  • #3,002
  • Apr 7, 2017 3:44am Apr 7, 2017 3:44am
Quoting Kanzler
The whole thing is a scam which can't be won consistently because the people in charge of money flow communicate with one another and you're out of the loop.

For everyone reading this...go out and live life. Forex is crap and everybody here saying they make money is doing so temporarily, has bank connections, or is here to posture. Like me.{image}
I am not a member of RTM, but this post caught my eye.

There are a few very broad statements made here, I'm not aware of the internals of RTM so perhaps it is a mess as you have described; but to extrapolate your personal experience as proof that running a profitable trading business is not at all possible - given the many markets and instruments available, the vast array of edges that exist as a function of the structure of the market, and the uniqueness of each individual's psychological makeup - this is little bit of a stretch.

There might be some validity that those charging a fee should prove the material they are selling, when put into action, can generate profits. However, there are far more complexities to running a profitable business than simply the research phase - execution is unique. It is also on the individual to use discernment, and complete the due diligence around gathering data for or against the price behaviours learnt, or discovered on their own.

Perhaps a career with a guaranteed monthly salary is a better way forward.

I'm sure you've learnt something from trading, maybe a learning that can give you an edge in your next endeavour; just don't let the only takeaway be a bitter attitude, a false belief that the game is rigged and that everyone is out to scam you. We tend to experience what we focus on.
  • #3,003
  • Apr 7, 2017 4:08am Apr 7, 2017 4:08am
Quoting RickFX
Hi, after reading the thread I'm a bit confused about the engulfing and the fakeout. Looking to the left on the chart I see that the price engulfed below but the next move up also engulfed the price up. From what I read on a IF's post at the beginning " If it's an engulf it cant't be a fakeout". Could anyone please point me out how can I distinguish both? Thanks,
If price engulfed below it cant FO the origin UP. If that is the case either you have read engulf wrongly or your origin scale is different. On the other hand if price engulfed down it can FO intermediate FL up.
  • #3,004
  • Apr 7, 2017 4:29am Apr 7, 2017 4:29am
Starrum,
My old chart you sent me with question i reply here so few can benefit. Diamond sets the one kind of PAZ(there are other but not relevant here) for me (important ;if didn't cut through from further left QM). So your NU chart you PM me need to check further left to trade.I marked few for you. few more things to highlight.

1. I am not marking the same way as i marked years before . So my old charts i will simplify if i mark now
2. I don't look for PAZ . I look for TG to TG . Same sh*t anyway don't bother much about PAZ.

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  • #3,005
  • Apr 7, 2017 4:37am Apr 7, 2017 4:37am
Quoting Fxyogi
Starrum, My old chart you sent me with question i reply here so few can benefit. Diamond sets the one kind of PAZ(there are other but not relevant here) for me (important ;if didn't cut through from further left QM). So your NU chart you PM me need to check further left to trade.I marked few for you. few more things to highlight. 1. I am not marking the same way as i marked years before . So my old charts i will simplify if i mark now 2. I don't look for PAZ . I look for TG to TG . Same sh*t anyway don't bother much about PAZ. {image}



I had another similar version and u blew it right out of the paper stacks.
Sense is in the making. My presumption was about right, i.e. you would've marked it differently than you would pre-2015.

Thank you, bro. you're a star.
  • #3,006
  • Apr 7, 2017 4:40am Apr 7, 2017 4:40am
Quoting staurum
{quote} I had another similar version and u blew it right out of the paper stacks. Sense is in the making. My presumption was about right, i.e. you would've marked it differently than you would pre-2015. Thank you, bro. you're a star.
IF is the only star. You will become too if you dig ignoring all idiots.
  • #3,007
  • Edited 8:48am Apr 7, 2017 8:08am | Edited 8:48am
Quoting Fxyogi
Not again please . This became very boring. Others please don't get ready and reply and roll this thread with useless pages. These people are genuine as they speak what they experienced. But I tell you with full confidence if you don't experience doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Lets see evidence then. You've presented yourself as #1 ff rtm fanboy for a few years. But you probably wont and will claim plausible deniability excuses. Let's see fewer baloney jump around denial excuses and more results. RTM promised ladder fund results and I'm rightfully asking for them now. If you can't, maybe its time to admit what the reality of the situation is instead of prolonging your get rich quick fantasy while costing others so much wasted time and hope they could use towards being productive citizens of their communities.

Quoting Fxyogi
{quote} IF is the only star. You will become too if you dig ignoring all idiots.
Translation: I don't make any money but I really hope IF does. But if you do what I tell you to, you can be like me and for 4 years struggle, waste my life and make no money. But fellow forex traders, if only we believe, money will rain down on us! You sound like a cult member worshiping an idol. But I don't blame you. I fell for it too.
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  • #3,008
  • Apr 7, 2017 8:55am Apr 7, 2017 8:55am
Quoting Fxyogi
{quote} If price engulfed below it cant FO the origin UP. If that is the case either you have read engulf wrongly or your origin scale is different. On the other hand if price engulfed down it can FO intermediate FL up.
Ok understood. So probably, the question is that I got wrong the origin of the move and it just FO an intermediate FL. Or the other way round wright?

I'll try to post the chart where it ocurred so you can confirm what i did wrong ok?

Thanks Fxyogi
  • #3,009
  • Apr 7, 2017 9:07am Apr 7, 2017 9:07am
Quoting Kanzler
I'm going to come clean. I've been RTM from the beginning (look through my posting history), and I never made any money gambling on forex. The whole thing is a scam which can't be won consistently because the people in charge of money flow communicate with one another and you're out of the loop. Let me give you a little history on RTM and its promises, one deception after another: 1) RTM opens as a price action trading group. 2) RTM opens its own independent website, following Redsword's interpretation by IFMyante. 3) RTM creates "The Ladder". While...


I was once like you, slow to catch things up. In face I still am. Then i found RTM i was like yayy.. I sent my homework to homework sections but then the website was in maintenance and I was furious about the new billing policy. I was just about to learn the whole market flow and it was about a week then the website went down. But i know RTM is the correct place to learn market flow. I thought there was no hope anymore lol..
Luckily i found another source from ace gazette. My mentor taught me all about the manipulations and orders. The price moves because of orders. $10,000?? i think yes it is worth it. Imagine if so many people know how big traders think, they would change their way of manipulating the market, then it would take us many years again to figure it out. Found price action early December 2016 and started to withdraw using this method.

Here I would like to share the full diagram (The Secret) on how big traders think, do manipulations, and where they put their orders. I cannot give the full details on how it works but it really works. Figure it out fast before it is too late. Just have to find extra knowledge. Btw this is not mine.

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  • #3,010
  • Apr 7, 2017 9:27am Apr 7, 2017 9:27am
Quoting Kanzler
{quote} Lets see evidence then. You sound like a cult member worshiping an idol. But I don't blame you. I fell for it too. {image}
So, perhaps you blew up an account and now you've decided it's all a scam? That everyone across the globe who trades, and pulls income, is either tapped into the commercial's and market maker's books or lying?

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Go and do something else then mate, if it's all a waste of life delete your FF account and be done with it.
  • #3,011
  • Apr 7, 2017 9:35am Apr 7, 2017 9:35am
Quoting nhen
{quote} So, perhaps you blew up an account and now you've decided it's all a scam? That everyone across the globe who trades, and pulls income, is either tapped into the commercial's and market maker's books or lying? {image} {image} {image} Go and do something else then mate, if it's all a waste of life delete your FF account and be done with it.
And how much money have you made? Anybody defending this scam owes the public results, not more of the modus operandi of dismissal and excuses where victims are blamed.

My demand is simple. I want RTM to stick to their promise and show us the money. Its the least that could be done after breaking every other promise they ever made. IF promised a free resource. A ladder to success. It morphed in planned stages to first a buy in academy and now a paywall since traffic is high enough. We've been had mate. IF has proven that he is a liar.
  • #3,012
  • Apr 7, 2017 9:42am Apr 7, 2017 9:42am
Quoting Kanzler
{quote} And how much money have you made?
$3.50 and I bought myself a new pencil set.

You have a horrible attitude; if your own data shows that nothing is repeatable on any instrument over the long term, then take what you have and move onto something else.

Quoting Kanzler
{quote} I want RTM to stick to their promise and show us the money. Its the least that could be done after breaking every other promise they ever made. IF promised a free resource. A ladder to success. It morphed in planned stages to first a buy in academy and now a paywall since traffic is high enough. We've been had mate. IF has proven that he is a liar.
The price relationships discussed by pretty much anyone out there have been around long before this place existed.

If you genuinely think trading in its entirety is some big scam then just leave it behind and do something else, but parading around threads and 'saving' everyone by enlightening them to the fact they are wasting their lives is foolish. It's a display of poor character.

Go outside, enjoy the life that you can now cease wasting.
  • #3,013
  • Apr 7, 2017 9:49am Apr 7, 2017 9:49am
Quoting Kanzler
{quote} Lets see evidence then. You've presented yourself as #1 ff rtm fanboy for a few years. But you probably wont and will claim plausible deniability excuses. Let's see fewer baloney jump around denial excuses and more results. RTM promised ladder fund results and I'm rightfully asking for them now. If you can't, maybe its time to admit what the reality of the situation is instead of prolonging your get rich quick fantasy while costing others so much wasted time and hope they could use towards being productive citizens of their communities....
Before i stop replying these

Kanzler, you are asking very logical questions.



I already told many times this game is not for people who want depend on others .

Its not "show me you how you are successful i will accept and follow".It is for totally independent free personals. Need very strong mental state.
Only in this business people have been demanding other traders to teach them everything freely and need to prove they are successful too. It has become a cult here and keep repeating the slogan "traders help traders" without understanding totally how that possible.

No any business we can ask others "how you become rich ?. first you must prove and teach freely". You will be thrown out.

But no one treated this as business . When you have method also you gamble .

I can tell you this from. The cycle of learning will be

1. You will praise IF thinking he will help you more.
2. You will teach others becuase you had few glimpses from overall behaviour of market.
3.You will bash other trolls defending IF
4.You will pretend like master and you have a secret
5.You lose continuously and the trust is broken and start blaming IF indirectly
6.You become one of the trolls
7.You leave for sometime starting threads calling RTM is a scam
8. You will come back

You will come back Kanzler may be in different name . Once the taste is experienced you cant run away.

To others,

to shorten the path of learning try to skip step 4 to 8 . If possible all steps and learn learn only nothing else matters.
  • #3,014
  • Apr 7, 2017 9:50am Apr 7, 2017 9:50am
Where is IF ?. I can see his ignore button is calling him
  • #3,015
  • Apr 7, 2017 9:52am Apr 7, 2017 9:52am
Quoting nhen
{quote} $3.50 and I bought myself a new pencil set. You have a horrible attitude; if your own data shows that nothing is repeatable on any instrument over the long term, then take what you have a move onto something else.
Ha 3.50. I haven't traded since FXCM went under. But even knowing then what i do i said nothing from sheer embarrassment and seeing it was still a decent community where i had made friends. Now it's gone and I dont care about exposing RTM for what it has become. There are so many scams on this site that follow this pattern, but It's the brazen manner in which they flat out lied about it being free then gradually morphed it to being worthless paywall material that angers me.
  • #3,016
  • Apr 7, 2017 10:02am Apr 7, 2017 10:02am
Thank you - but if I'm asking logical questions, then why isn't it possible to get a straightforward answer? Every reply lacks comcrete evidence and is pretty much summed up by "have faith" as if this is a religion.

I will admit one thing - the patterns exist. But they describe phenomenon after the fact and have no long term predictive power. The only reason any bank account is growing at RTM is because people are dumping their life savings into worthless training courses.

Quoting Fxyogi
{quote} Before i stop replying these Kanzler, you are asking very logical questions. I already told many times this game is not for people who want depend on others . Its not "show me you how you are successful i will accept and follow".It is for totally independent free personals. Need very strong mental state. Only in this business people have been demanding other traders to teach them everything freely and need to prove they are successful too. It has become a cult here and keep repeating the slogan "traders help traders" without understanding...
  • #3,017
  • Apr 7, 2017 10:02am Apr 7, 2017 10:02am
Quoting RickFX
{quote} Ok understood. So probably, the question is that I got wrong the origin of the move and it just FO an intermediate FL. Or the other way round wright? I'll try to post the chart where it ocurred so you can confirm what i did wrong ok? Thanks Fxyogi
intermediate FL means its not located at the swing .
  • #3,018
  • Apr 7, 2017 10:07am Apr 7, 2017 10:07am
Quoting Kanzler
{quote} Ha 3.50. I haven't traded since FXCM went under. But even knowing then what i do i said nothing from sheer embarrassment and seeing it was still a decent community where i had made friends. Now it's gone and I dont care about exposing RTM for what it has become. There are so many scams on this site that follow this pattern, but It's the brazen manner in which they flat out lied about it being free then gradually morphed it to being worthless paywall material that angers me.
If it's his content he can really do whatever he wants with it.

Let it go and do something else.

Demanding proof that something is possible is a sure sign of a massive incongruence in relation to the skills required for this business. Do yourself a favour, delete your accounts and pursue something else with a solid focus on being responsible for yourself.
  • #3,019
  • Apr 7, 2017 10:41am Apr 7, 2017 10:41am
Quoting nhen
{quote} If it's his content he can really do whatever he wants with it. Let it go and do something else. Demanding proof that something is possible is a sure sign of a massive incongruence in relation to the skills required for this business. Do yourself a favour, delete your accounts and pursue something else with a solid focus on being responsible for yourself.
There is no reasoning with a true believer, especially one who has probably already been taken for their life savings and is desperate to convince himself hes not made a terrible mistake. Show me evidence or I'm done replying to your non-answers.

Like i said. Excuses excuses excuses. Never results.

Why should anybody be expected to spend $10,000 of their hard earned money on empty hope which has been shown to be as worthless as a politician's campaign promise? Say whatever to bring in the $ubscribers.
  • #3,020
  • Apr 7, 2017 10:45am Apr 7, 2017 10:45am
Quoting Fxyogi
{quote} intermediate FL means its not located at the swing .
First time uploading a chart. Don't know how it will look like
Could you please explain the 1 and 2 interrogations. Thanks.
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