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  • #2,861
  • Mar 21, 2017 8:29am Mar 21, 2017 8:29am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} .....showing my age {quote} Aaah ... just the excuse I was looking for. Pass the gin
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  • #2,862
  • Mar 21, 2017 8:41am Mar 21, 2017 8:41am
Quoting jen101
.... How would a family of 10 kids on benefits with fat parents smoking and drinking, eating takeaways, buying PS4s and 4K TVs cope?
The same way they do at the moment. The kids go without........
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  • #2,863
  • Edited 12:31pm Mar 21, 2017 8:46am | Edited 12:31pm
a post from the (the really useless thread)

gator 2017 page 7438 post 148743
(the roaches are scattering now. unlike like some who lost their path. i remember a time when we didn't belittle our war heroes. And we weren't so gullible to praise our comrades, or diminish our friends. as time goes on, it will be rare to see a admitted DT voter. probably like the rarity of a admitted Hitler voter when the Red Army rolled in Germany.)

Ross88 2017
yes some people are still comparing Donald Trump to Hitler LOL and just to clarify i was never a Trump fan but this comparing him to Hitler thing is beyond ridiculous

who's the a-hole and who's the toll???
  • #2,864
  • Mar 21, 2017 8:49am Mar 21, 2017 8:49am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Same system, just different numbers... Self employed same rates... Ok, edit, why don't we do a bit of each? Low taxes and a bit more consumption tax?
I'm ok with a system that is simple and without loopholes for any section of society be that super rich or poor. One thing I think we have to accept is that increasing automation and super computers etc need less bodies to function and do we really need any more coffee shops and burger bars ? Some traditions need to be revitalised in manufacturing. Saving money with automated processes but paying taxes for people to sit on couches might not be the best way.
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  • #2,865
  • Mar 21, 2017 8:55am Mar 21, 2017 8:55am
Bill gates' argument could gather support; tax robots.
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  • #2,866
  • Mar 21, 2017 8:58am Mar 21, 2017 8:58am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} The same way they do at the moment. The kids go without........
LOL, look at the size of people here; I don't think anyone "goes without." Like "starving" lard arses queueing at a food bank...
  • #2,867
  • Edited 9:23am Mar 21, 2017 9:02am | Edited 9:23am
Quoting Exodus
Bill gates' argument could gather support; tax robots.
Didn't know he said that EX but think we have to face some reality of not everyone can be a self employed spray tanner. Of course rapidly increasing population isn't doing us any favours either.... hint hint.
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  • #2,868
  • Edited 11:42am Mar 21, 2017 11:32am | Edited 11:42am
Quoting Ross88
a post from the (the really useless thread) the roaches are scattering now. unlike like some who lost their path. i remember a time when we didn't belittle our war heroes. And we weren't so gullible to praise our comrades, or diminish our friends. as time goes on, it will be rare to see a admitted DT voter. probably like the rarity of a admitted Hitler voter when the Red Army rolled in Germany. yes some people are still comparing Donald Trump to Hitler LOL and just to clarify i was never a Trump fan but this comparing him to Hitler[/highlight]...
Ross the highlight. Were they your words or Gator ? I thought I saw those words earlier when I looked or perhaps it was your post ?

yes some people are still comparing Donald Trump to Hitler LOL and just to clarify i was never a Trump fan but this comparing him to Hitler
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  • #2,869
  • Mar 21, 2017 12:28pm Mar 21, 2017 12:28pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Ross the highlight. Were they your words or Gator ? I thought I saw those words earlier when I looked or perhaps it was your post ? yes some people are still comparing Donald Trump to Hitler LOL and just to clarify i was never a Trump fan but this comparing him to Hitler

sorry i said this (yes some people are still comparing Donald Trump to Hitler LOL and just to clarify i was never a Trump fan but this comparing him to Hitler)

because the other guy(gator) thinks it's ok to compare Donald Trump to Hitler every time someone does this it makes me laugh and am not exaggerating at first it was just funny but the more people say it the funner it gets how delusional do you have to be to keep saying this and who are you saying it around to go unchallenged on the topic of Trump being literally Hitler
  • #2,870
  • Mar 21, 2017 12:35pm Mar 21, 2017 12:35pm
Quoting Ross88
{quote} sorry i said this (yes some people are still comparing Donald Trump to Hitler LOL and just to clarify i was never a Trump fan but this comparing him to Hitler) because the other guy(gator) thinks it's ok to compare Donald Trump to Hitler every time someone does this it makes me laugh and am not exaggerating at first it was just funny but the more people say it the funner it gets how delusional do you have to be to keep saying this and who are you saying it around to go unchallenged on the topic of Trump being literally Hitler
Ok mate. I had myopia. I clicked and thought he had said and I liked there because thought it was unusual for someone to talk sense for once, I since been back to unlike as when I took second look, I thought he had edited the post. Anyway no harm done I unliked now. It is pathetic and Twee throwing weight around over banter in the news section. It's a load of bollox.
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  • #2,871
  • Mar 21, 2017 1:03pm Mar 21, 2017 1:03pm
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Ok mate. I had myopia. I clicked and thought he had said and I liked there because thought it was unusual for someone to talk sense for once, I since been back to unlike as when I took second look, I thought he had edited the post. Anyway no harm done I unliked now. It is pathetic and Twee throwing weight around over banter in the news section. It's a load of bollox.
yes trouble is brewing but why have a news section if no one can talk openly and to be honest large parts of trader days are spent waiting around for new or movement i don't think anyone go's on the news section and feels bulled would cilff SoS donFF Devauxt Jen101 go there if they did not find the political banter entertaining i think the truth is it's probably similar banter you would get in a office or building site with work colleagues and there are no hurt feelings at the end of the day i think FF should make life easily on themselves and not try to police in less someone is being over the top

today i send SoS a private message telling him how funny i find him it's all banter to me anyway
  • #2,872
  • Mar 21, 2017 7:42pm Mar 21, 2017 7:42pm
Quoting jarhead
{quote} What difference does it make?
Because in a fair tax system, the lower classes would not have to pay a higher percentage of their gross incomes in taxes. We should have a flat tax system, get rid of all deductions, and that would solve the maker vs. the takers problem in my opinion. However, the 1% would never go for this.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #2,873
  • Mar 21, 2017 8:32pm Mar 21, 2017 8:32pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Because in a fair tax system, the lower classes would not have to pay a higher percentage of their gross incomes in taxes. We should have a flat tax system, get rid of all deductions, and that would solve the maker vs. the takers problem in my opinion. However, the 1% would never go for this.
I can not disagree with anything you are saying. Sure we both agree that there will be unhappy folks no matter what is proposed. I like parts of both the fair tax and the consumption tax as laid out in the book I mentioned earlier. I have several books on the subject and I highly recommend Boortz's book to you. I absolutely agree on getting rid of all deductions. I suppose the biggest problem I see with a straight flat tax is that I think it is open to a lot of "income manipulating", black market, bartering, outright cheating on returns, ect. On a consumption tax, there would have to be provisions made for the basics, for poor family's' and family's just getting started. Bortze lays out a plan of actually sending folks under a set income level a check each month to balance out a preset median income level. Not at home at the moment so can't give you that figure. Also, a consumption tax works great for folks starting out. If they are frugal, they spend much less starting their careers -- they start getting the goodies in middle age and really enjoy things in their golden years. Like me & U. Also, the consumption tax calls for much less IRS bureaucracy. I wish I had all the answers. I don't. It's a deep subject. Why I have enjoyed the banter in here today. Our friends across the pond looking at the same problems we looking at.
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  • #2,874
  • Mar 22, 2017 2:52am Mar 22, 2017 2:52am
Quoting jarhead
{quote} I can not disagree with anything you are saying. Sure we both agree that there will be unhappy folks no matter what is proposed. I like parts of both the fair tax and the consumption tax as laid out in the book I mentioned earlier. I have several books on the subject and I highly recommend Boortz's book to you. I absolutely agree on getting rid of all deductions. I suppose the biggest problem I see with a straight flat tax is that I think it is open to a lot of "income manipulating", black market, bartering, outright cheating on returns,...
My only trouble with the Bortze proposal from your outline is the idea of a guaranteed minimum income. Not even the Swiss went for that. I am a social leftie, but a solid fiscal conservative. I admit that there is some hypocrisy there as I have grown more conservative as my income has grown. That said, that conservatism comes not from not wanting to share the wealth, it comes from seeing people get large tax checks simply to add to the population. I wish there were a way to split platforms. I am quite okay with a diverse population, but they must conform to the free market model because we know nothing else works.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #2,875
  • Mar 22, 2017 8:30am Mar 22, 2017 8:30am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} My only trouble with the Bortze proposal from your outline is the idea of a guaranteed minimum income. Not even the Swiss went for that. I am a social leftie, but a solid fiscal conservative. I admit that there is some hypocrisy there as I have grown more conservative as my income has grown. That said, that conservatism comes not from not wanting to share the wealth, it comes from seeing people get large tax checks simply to add to the population. I wish there were a way to split platforms. I am quite okay with a diverse population, but...
Understand your point. I have not done a good job of explaining it as the "fair tax," as it is called, is one of those things ya gotta read, chew on it awhile, roll it over in your mind, comparing it to a flat type system. As I said, it's a complicated issue that virtually affects everything. No matter what, you are going to have a large group of unhappy people. It's an issue, we as a country have to discuss leaving the political crap out and simply sticking with the facts. A Ben Franklin sheet!! I don't think any of us can do anything anymore without getting political. I think you will agree -- that's a sad shame.
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  • #2,876
  • Mar 22, 2017 9:41am Mar 22, 2017 9:41am
The news headline you see on a business news channel every few days:

THE RICH WANT TO PAY MORE TAXES!

The news headline you never see on any of the business news channels:

TREASURY SECRETARY REPORTS RECEIVING HUNDREDS OF HUGE CHECKS FROM RICH FOLKS WHO DON'T THINK THEY ARE PAYING ENOUGH TAXES!

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  • #2,877
  • Mar 22, 2017 10:21am Mar 22, 2017 10:21am
Quoting jarhead
The news headline you see on a business news channel every few days: THE RICH WANT TO PAY MORE TAXES! The news headline you never see on any of the business news channels: TREASURY SECRETARY REPORTS RECEIVING HUNDREDS OF HUGE CHECKS FROM RICH FOLKS WHO DON'T THINK THEY ARE PAYING ENOUGH TAXES!
You mean even more? Because they already do...

The UK tax system is grossly unjust. You are taxed as individuals, yet benefit claimants receive payment as a couple or family. Now I think that in most places in the world, if say one partner is a high earner and the other stays at home and looks after the kids, they share their allowances. Not here. This is an anti family country, anti for people striving in life and working for a decent living, but it is pro-family for those scrounging off the system. Mothers are also pushed back into work asap (so they can pay more tax into the coffers - to be wasted of course) and you will see very young babies stuck into nurseries all day. This is so wrong. Babies need their mothers, they need to be breastfed, if possible, and young children need to have their mothers around too. Thanks to government policy we will probably end up with a generation of delinquents running off joining the biggest, baddest gang of all (ISIS) and that is also because the liberals have done away with competitive sports in schools, therefore kids have no focus either.

If a married couple both work and say earn £44,999 each, they will be far, far better off than one of them earning £89,998 and the other stays at home looking after the kids. Over £100k and you start losing your personal allowance too, until it completely disappears.
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  • #2,878
  • Mar 22, 2017 11:40am Mar 22, 2017 11:40am
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4338998/Police-open-fire-outside-House-Commons.html

some more good news was this just sum guy that forgot to take his medication or dose Europe have a problem with a particular group of people and i wonder if the same people out calling Martin McGuinnesa a great family men will one day be calling this lot good family men enough is enough this has to stop or the next step is a radicalised generation of our own youth and Europe has a history of doing this better/worse than anyone else
  • #2,879
  • Mar 22, 2017 12:38pm Mar 22, 2017 12:38pm
Quoting Ross88
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4338998/Police-open-fire-outside-House-Commons.html some more good news was this just sum guy that forgot to take his medication or dose Europe have a problem with a particular group of people and i wonder if the same people out calling Martin McGuinnesa a great family men will one day be calling this lot good family men enough is enough this has to stop or the next step is a radicalised generation of our own youth and Europe has a history of doing this better/worse than anyone else
I just heard about this on car radio, they were being particularly cautious over the details.
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  • #2,880
  • Mar 22, 2017 12:40pm Mar 22, 2017 12:40pm
Do most police officers in England carry firearms?
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