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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Hmm, that is an interesting viewpoint that it is "coded" in to most sane people. I wonder where the coding comes from, is there a coder?
It's not something I ponder upon, there will be opinions. Wherever/whatever it comes from again doesn't really matter. It's intrinsic, hard wired however you want to describe it. It goes into the realms of nature/nurture. I think nature. It's just there who put it there I have no clue.
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I think most people here in the US would be happy with a 16 year old minimum. I wonder what made the UK decide on 16 as THE number? Why not 17, or 15?
European laws are written to protect children from pedophiles, and not vice versa.
perhaps my English is not perfect - but I know the Jungle
Quoting SickOfScam
{quote} European laws are written to protect children from pedophiles, and not vice versa.
I think that is the most sensible thing you've said.
Quoting SickOfScam
{quote} European laws are written to protect children from pedophiles, and not vice versa.
16 will get you 20 in most states in the USA.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} 16 will get you 20 in most states in the USA.
12 or 13 will get you state benefits, housing, education and health care if you are an immigrant in some European countries

Child refugee brides as young as 12 ordered to STAY with men they were forced to marry http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/614083/Fatema-Alkasem-Child-Refugee-Brides-Netherlands-Paedophilia-EU-European-Union
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} It's not something I ponder upon, there will be opinions. Wherever/whatever it comes from again doesn't really matter. It's intrinsic, hard wired however you want to describe it. It goes into the realms of nature/nurture. I think nature. It's just there who put it there I have no clue.
Neither do I Stu, but I do believe that Somebody did. Coming from a rural background as a child reinforces this.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
Quoting jmn5611
As far as having sex with a 13 year old girl, Stu just informed me that you only have to wait 36 more months and you are good to go, so I think most people who like young girls would be quite happy with 16. Homosexuality is not condoned, you are quite correct. As far as looking stupid goes, the definition of stupid is subjective, like beauty, it is in the eye of the beholder.
SICK!

At 16, girls have a better chance for seeing the dirty old men for what they really are because their brains have a chance to catch up with their bodies. Filthy old pervs would have a much harder time.
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} 12 or 13 will get you state benefits, housing, education and health care if you are an immigrant in some European countries Child refugee brides as young as 12 ordered to STAY with men they were forced to marry http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/614083/Fatema-Alkasem-Child-Refugee-Brides-Netherlands-Paedophilia-EU-European-Union
My fault for the cultural misinterpretation.

In the USA, if you screw a 16 year old girl, you will get 20 years in prison.

Quoting jen101
{quote} SICK! At 16, girls have a better chance for seeing the dirty old men for what they really are because their brains have a chance to catch up with their bodies. Filthy old pervs would have a much harder time.
Do you really believe that the brain has evolved to that degree in 3 YEARS??

Cognitive Science would do wonders here.

Edit: If you need concrete proof, Google Hugh Hefner.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} My fault for the cultural misinterpretation. In the USA, if you screw a 16 year old girl, you will get 20 years in prison.
No need to apologise, I understood fully. My point was that if you are an immigrant in some countries in Europe, a girl of 12 or 13 poses no issue as long as she is married to the perv. Then they will be entitled to state benefits, housing, education and health care. That is why I posted this with it - Child refugee brides as young as 12 ordered to STAY with men they were forced to marry http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...European-Union (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/614083/Fatema-Alkasem-Child-Refugee-Brides-Netherlands-Paedophilia-EU-European-Union)
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} My fault for the cultural misinterpretation. In the USA, if you screw a 16 year old girl, you will get 20 years in prison. {quote} Do you really believe that the brain has evolved to that degree in 3 YEARS?? Cognitive Science would do wonders here. Edit: If you need concrete proof, Google Hugh Hefner.
Maybe not for some, but there is a far higher chance of not succumbing to grooming. There is a huge difference between 13 and 16 in girls.

Just because it is legal, it doesn't make it right! I see no thought given here to the children, only your own perverted agenda. Very sad.
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} 16 will get you 20 in most states in the USA.
Certainly not me. In this area Im suuper conservative.
In fact, I am happy that I can enjoy the confidence of the most perfect beings on this planet.
perhaps my English is not perfect - but I know the Jungle
Quoting jen101
{quote} Maybe not for some, but there is a far higher chance of not succumbing to grooming. There is a huge difference between 13 and 16 in girls. Just because it is legal, it doesn't make it right! I see no thought given here to the children, only your own perverted agenda. Very sad.
Now this is a prime example of cognitive bias. You think I have an agenda because of what? Go back and read my posts and try to find an agenda. So if you feel sadness it is self imposed and you get to own your own sadness.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
Quoting jen101
{quote} Maybe not for some, but there is a far higher chance of not succumbing to grooming. There is a huge difference between 13 and 16 in girls. Just because it is legal, it doesn't make it right! I see no thought given here to the children, only your own perverted agenda. Very sad.
I agree those 3 years are huge and more so in girls than boys and by that I mean girls are streets ahead of boys of the same age in terms of common sense. As a father I wrestled with any age being a good age for my daughter and even now I still go into Jack Byrnes mode if there is a "Focker" type on the horizon, just can't get passed her being my little girl.

https://youtu.be/wO3vrf8j9JU
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} No need to apologise, I understood fully. My point was that if you are an immigrant in some countries in Europe, a girl of 12 or 13 poses no issue as long as she is married to the perv. Then they will be entitled to state benefits, housing, education and health care. That is why I posted this with it - Child refugee brides as young as 12 ordered to STAY with men they were forced to marry http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/...European-Union (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/614083/Fatema-Alkasem-Child-Refugee-Brides-Netherlands-Paedophilia-EU-European-Union)...
If that is truly the case Devauxt, start shorting the Euro. It's a done deal. This is why you must send the Ishamaelites home. That works in the House of Saud. I have not issue with what they do in their lands. That is their business. In the West, well hell, you folks in the UK are more permissive than we are in the states. 16??

But I do not judge that. That is your law.

Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I agree those 3 years are huge and more so in girls than boys and by that I mean girls are streets ahead of boys of the same age in terms of common sense. As a father I wrestled with any age being a good age for my daughter and even now I still go into Jack Byrnes mode if there is a "Focker" type on the horizon, just can't get passed her being my little girl. https://youtu.be/wO3vrf8j9JU
Got bad news Stu. Women 18 - 21 get groomed daily. There would be no porn industry otherwise. Now I know you are responding viscerally but behavioral science has settled this long ago. You can google behavioral science if you care to.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} If that is truly the case Devauxt, start shorting the Euro. It's a done deal. This is why you must send the Ishamaelites home. That works in the House of Saud. I have not issue with what they do in their lands. That is their business. In the West, well hell, you folks in the UK are more permissive than we are in the states. 16?? But I do not judge that. That is your law. {quote} Got bad news Stu. Women 18 - 21 get groomed daily. There would be no porn industry otherwise. Now I know you are responding viscerally but behavioral science has...
J I'm not arguing that case about 18-21 year olds. I have made my points clear enough, going on tangents now is pointless. Fact is we have allowed people into our country that have beliefs it's ok to take a 9 year old bride. It's not. That is both visceral and the law.

18-21 year olds are obviously more developed mentally and emotionally than 13 year olds etc.
Age is no barrier to being taken advantage of.
I am well aware of behavioural science even did an experiment with a £20 note glued to the floor.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} If that is truly the case Devauxt, start shorting the Euro. It's a done deal. This is why you must send the Ishamaelites home. That works in the House of Saud. I have not issue with what they do in their lands. That is their business. In the West, well hell, you folks in the UK are more permissive than we are in the states. 16?? But I do not judge that. That is your law. {quote} Got bad news Stu. Women 18 - 21 get groomed daily. There would be no porn industry otherwise. Now I know you are responding viscerally but behavioral science has...
Can I just say, that your constant repeating "must send the Ishamaelites home" is wearing a little thin. We are governed by the EU and ECHR laws which prevent repatriation, just to be clear.

If you think about it this way. Everyone is a victim in the EU, except real victims (and they usually get treated worse than criminals)
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Can I just say, that your constant repeating "must send the Ishamaelites home" is wearing a little thin. We are governed by the EU and ECHR laws which prevent repatriation, just to be clear. If you think about it this way. Everyone is a victim in the EU, except real victims (and they usually get treated worse than criminals)
No worries, maybe as a Yankee I think that the people can actually do something about their situation. My apologies.

Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} J I'm not arguing that case about 18-21 year olds. I have made my points clear enough, going on tangents now is pointless. Fact is we have allowed people into our country that have beliefs it's ok to take a 9 year old bride. It's not. That is both visceral and the law. 18-21 year olds are obviously more developed mentally and emotionally than 13 year olds etc. Age is no barrier to being taken advantage of. I am well aware of behavioural science even did an experiment with a 20 note glued to the floor.
We did that same experiment here. Actually we even have TV show about it. It was called What Would You Do? Very entertaining. At any rate, I am going to pipe down a bit, I realize that I have gone on some philosophical tangent, and maybe the the rabbit hole does have a bottom.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} No worries, maybe as a Yankee I think that the people can actually do something about their situation. My apologies. .
No worries, whilst at the moment that may not be a solution under EU dictatorship, the time will certainly come where that may be a realistic option (2 years). Until then, unapologetic and outright resistance to islam's creep is the only way
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} No worries, whilst at the moment that may not be a solution under EU dictatorship, the time will certainly come where that may be a realistic option (2 years). Until then, unapologetic and outright resistance to islam's creep is the only way
We are the daughter nation of the UK. I don't understand it. Can you not recall you representatives? Do you not have town halls when your parliament is in recess? I did not mean to be so sharp, but the UK is responsible for civilization in much of the world, and now your people sit as slaves?

I understand Brexit so much better now. Thank all of you.

Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} J I'm not arguing that case about 18-21 year olds. I have made my points clear enough, going on tangents now is pointless. Fact is we have allowed people into our country that have beliefs it's ok to take a 9 year old bride. It's not. That is both visceral and the law. 18-21 year olds are obviously more developed mentally and emotionally than 13 year olds etc. Age is no barrier to being taken advantage of. I am well aware of behavioural science even did an experiment with a 20 note glued to the floor.
I also wanted stick to the point that there is no difference between 13-16 cognitively. That is why I asked the question. Behavioral science shows no difference. A 16 year old girl is still a girl, according to the experts. You are a pedophile here in the USA in most states if you mess with a 16 year old girl. That is why I made some of the posts I made about 16 being okay with guys who like young girls. The notion that 13 vs. 16 matters does not hold scientific muster. That is my point.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
https://youtu.be/gTkG6PKnNFw
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
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