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  • #2,081
  • Feb 10, 2017 1:18am Feb 10, 2017 1:18am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} So another ZeroHedge, except in video.
Yes, and little bit more interesting than ZeroHedge. But if you want affirmation that the world is ending at noon today, ZH and InfoWars is the way to go.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #2,082
  • Feb 10, 2017 1:28am Feb 10, 2017 1:28am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I agree. What is funny is that used to be a big info wars guy because back then he was into explaining the money system and how it works. Then we went into the Biliderbergs and the illuminati, and the NWO. Then I began to realize that his show is driven by the idea that nothing is ever what it seems. That makes no sense to me. I am a liberal too, or maybe just a Progressive. I believe that our system will withstand whoever is in the white house. Every president has done something stupid. We are still here. I also agree about the internet...
I think a positive for Alex Jones is he was willing to be that person who went against the grain, take all the fallout that comes with doing that and provoke a lot of people to not just accept everything at face value. If his model was "Everything is what it seems", he would be no different to MSM, CNN ( Catastrophic News Neuropathy). Some question his motives and say he has done well out it but then again so have years of MSM. I say everyone has to earn a crust. Again I think most people use his outlet to hear what is in contention then research further themselves. Admittedly there will be the same type of people that accept everything CNN has to offer who do the same with him. So for me his model does make sense from a business and ethical standpoint.
When successive Governments have been found out in cover ups and skulduggery is it really any wonder how guys like him are thriving ? It is only natural to have gross mistrust when you find something you have believed in to be an absolute lie. I think the small guy searching for truth is a lonely and dangerous business and in most cases are a great public service. Most people are so wrapped up with keeping a roof over their heads they just haven't had the time nor the ability in the past to research, so the Government controlled MSM have run amok and generally abused such a trusted position. The amount of people who have stumbled upon information or witness things they shouldn't have, that have "accidents" is well documented and what were once deemed conspiracy theories but actually been proven to be the real truth are plentiful in number. So now the tool of choice is just say it's all a conspiracy take no notice, which is very convenient and so easy to do in fact can you see how alike it is to labeling people who have concerns over Islamic immigration as all being racist ? It is one and the same thing and anyone with a modicum of common sense understands that. Again the case for NWO abounds us. The most evident being the relentless push for open borders.
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  • #2,083
  • Feb 10, 2017 1:29am Feb 10, 2017 1:29am
Just drove past some yob this morning taking a slash against the wall of a police station, so I shone full beam onto him. Nice people.
  • #2,084
  • Feb 10, 2017 1:41am Feb 10, 2017 1:41am
Quoting jen101
Just drove past some yob this morning taking a slash against the wall of a police station, so I shone full beam onto him. Nice people.
He may have been a copper ? Did he have a truncheon ?
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #2,085
  • Feb 10, 2017 3:46am Feb 10, 2017 3:46am
France security: 'Suicide bomber plot foiled' in Montpellier - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38930201

Since the beginning of 2015, at least 230 people have been killed in jihadist attacks in France.
  • #2,086
  • Feb 10, 2017 4:11am Feb 10, 2017 4:11am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I agree. What is funny is that used to be a big info wars guy because back then he was into explaining the money system and how it works. Then we went into the Biliderbergs and the illuminati, and the NWO. Then I began to realize that his show is driven by the idea that nothing is ever what it seems. That makes no sense to me. I am a liberal too, or maybe just a Progressive. I believe that our system will withstand whoever is in the white house. Every president has done something stupid. We are still here. I also agree about the internet...
jmn,

I try to stay away from these type of things around here, and you seem a reasonable fellow, but you can not be a classical liberal or a progressive, you are either, they have nothing in common any more. I see you referred to yourself as a classical liberal before and not a liberal thus the point, they are on opposite ends of political spectrum now.

Regards.
The world you desire can be won. It exists.. it is real.. it is possible..
  • #2,087
  • Feb 10, 2017 4:33am Feb 10, 2017 4:33am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} He may have been a copper ? Did he have a truncheon ?
If this was Paris, he would have sodomized with a truncheon.
  • #2,088
  • Edited 12:16pm Feb 10, 2017 4:35am | Edited 12:16pm
I have been passed these, so don't ask me any questions and don't shoot the messenger!
https://youtu.be/OHKqYjfDdoU
https://youtu.be/avb8cwOgVQ8
  • #2,089
  • Feb 10, 2017 4:43am Feb 10, 2017 4:43am
Quoting Devauxt
France security: 'Suicide bomber plot foiled' in Montpellier - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38930201 Since the beginning of 2015, at least 230 people have been killed in jihadist attacks in France.
People can look at the UK in disbelief at how we are so tolerant, to the point that they think we are just plain stupid, but the reality is, we are probably the only western country which hasn't had a terrorist attack in recent times. Now, I would guess the biggest prize of all for ISIS would be to blow up Canary Wharf as well as other parts of the square mile. The fact that they haven't is no co-incidence. We're not as dumb as we seem.
  • #2,090
  • Feb 10, 2017 5:10am Feb 10, 2017 5:10am
Quoting jen101
{quote} If this was Paris, he would have sodomized with a truncheon.
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  • #2,091
  • Feb 10, 2017 6:20am Feb 10, 2017 6:20am
Quoting jen101
{quote} People can look at the UK in disbelief at how we are so tolerant, to the point that they think we are just plain stupid, but the reality is, we are probably the only western country which hasn't had a terrorist attack in recent times. Now, I would guess the biggest prize of all for ISIS would be to blow up Canary Wharf as well as other parts of the square mile. The fact that they haven't is no co-incidence. We're not as dumb as we seem.
Or maybe the terrorists are smart enough to not want war with the West again. An attack on the UK of that scale would be suicidal. We would treat them like Nazi Germany and destroy their collective infrastructure entirely. With no western money to rebuild them it would take decades to recover.

Quoting jen101
I have been passed these, so don't ask me any questions and don't shoot the messenger! https://youtu.be/i0TsDdZV7A4 https://youtu.be/OHKqYjfDdoU https://youtu.be/avb8cwOgVQ8
I don't really think asking questions would cause someone to shoot you jen. Those are questions that need to be asked. Maybe if they answered them it would go a long way towards self reliance on their part.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #2,092
  • Feb 10, 2017 6:59am Feb 10, 2017 6:59am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Or maybe the terrorists are smart enough to not want war with the West again. An attack on the UK of that scale would be suicidal. We would treat them like Nazi Germany and destroy their collective infrastructure entirely. With no western money to rebuild them it would take decades to recover. {quote} I don't really think asking questions would cause someone to shoot you jen. Those are questions that need to be asked. Maybe if they answered them it would go a long way towards self reliance on their part.
Since 7/7/2005 when London had a number of terrorist attacks in the space of a day, our intelligence units have ensured they are always at least a step ahead. I can assure you, it is not for want of trying by ISIS.

You can get shot for saying or asking the wrong thing. Charlie Hebdo Jan 2015.
  • #2,093
  • Feb 10, 2017 7:04am Feb 10, 2017 7:04am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Since 7/7/2005 when London had a number of terrorist attacks in the space of a day, our intelligence units have ensured they are always at least a step ahead. I can assure you, it is not for want of trying by ISIS. You can get shot for saying or asking the wrong thing. Charlie Hebdo Jan 2015.
Yes, I hear the MI5 is not to be trifled with.

Quoting Mr. Scott
{quote} jmn, I try to stay away from these type of things around here, and you seem a reasonable fellow, but you can not be a classical liberal or a progressive, you are either, they have nothing in common any more. I see you referred to yourself as a classical liberal before and not a liberal thus the point, they are on opposite ends of political spectrum now. Regards.
Mr. Scott!

Yes, I call myself a liberal because there are a lot of us who do not shy away from the term. Our Founders were all liberals. Well except for a couple of them. It is liberalism that created the West. The line gets drawn when you become illiberal. Some sects of Islam, and Christianity, and Judaism fit that bill. Live and let live.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #2,094
  • Edited 4:53pm Feb 10, 2017 7:37am | Edited 4:53pm
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Yes, I hear the MI5 is not to be trifled with. {quote} Mr. Scott! Yes, I call myself a liberal because there are a lot of us who do not shy away from the term. Our Founders were all liberals. Well except for a couple of them. It is liberalism that created the West. The line gets drawn when you become illiberal. Some sects of Islam, and Christianity, and Judaism fit that bill. Live and let live.

Classical liberals are nothing like liberals of today.
Classical liberals are generally considered to be conservative nowadays and therefore 'Right' on the political spectrum.

Take equality. Classical liberals believe in equality under the law, and equality of opportunity. According to them inequality is anyone who does not have the same rights under the law as others. Liberals today have expanded the definition of equality to include any difference between people, focusing on earnings and wealth differences often without any regard for differences in behaviour

Take personal responsibility as an offshoot of equality. Classical liberals believe in self sufficiency and the right of a person to work for their own betterment and to accrue wealth for themselves. Liberals of today however believe that the failure of a person to become wealthy, or the very fact wealth disparity exists at all, is a largely a result of a flawed system rather than an individuals behaviour.

Take the role of government as an offshoot of personal responsibility. Classical liberals believe in small government and allowing individuals to live freely, provided they allow others to do the same. Since they believe the ability of a person to prosper is largely persons individual own responsibility, they also believe that government should try to stay out of their lives. Liberals believing that differences in earnings and wealth is a product of a flawed system, believe that by correcting that flawed system through more and 'better' government they can cure inequality. Therefore they believe in large government with entitlement programs and redistribution of wealth etc.

I don't agree 100% with Scott that being a Classical Liberal means you must be one side or another on all issues, but generally he is correct.
A Classical Liberal is a conservative with a focus on liberty, whereas the Liberal of today is essentially a mini socialist.
The Classical Liberal believes man is flawed. The Liberal of today believes the system is flawed.
  • #2,095
  • Feb 10, 2017 8:08am Feb 10, 2017 8:08am
Quoting verv
{quote} Classical liberals are nothing like liberals of today. Classical liberals are generally considered to be conservative nowadays and therefore 'Right' on the political spectrum. Take equality. Classical liberals believe in equality under the law, and equality of opportunity - inequality is a person who does not have the same rights as anyone else... Liberals today however have a different take on equality, they view inequality as simply differences between one person or another, in terms of jobs or wealth, without any regard for the persons...
Verv I did not know you had me on ignore until you took me off of ignore. Don't ignore me bro!( Spoof of don't tase me bro!)
Okay so I am a classical liberal. Always have been, always will be. I have written too many tax checks to be otherwise. Half of our nation does not pay any taxes. I am on the wrong side of that.

Edit: Do not call me a conservative.

Edit: Your post is well made. The liberals of today are socialists, they are not liberals. This is why stay with my title. I am a liberal. But I am not a conservative. I do not buy that one culture is superior to another. Equality of opportunity is what made us who we are here in the States. Equality of outcome is impossible. It has never worked, and it never will work. Why work hard if everyone will get the same thing?
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #2,096
  • Feb 10, 2017 8:15am Feb 10, 2017 8:15am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Verv I did not know you had me on ignore until you took me off of ignore. Don't ignore me bro!( Spoof of don't tase me bro!) Okay so I am a classical liberal. Always have been, always will be. I have written too many tax checks to be otherwise. Half of our nation does not pay any taxes. I am on the wrong side of that. Edit: Do not call me a conservative.

https://youtu.be/DohRa9lsx0Q
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #2,097
  • Edited 8:42am Feb 10, 2017 8:20am | Edited 8:42am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} https://youtu.be/DohRa9lsx0Q
Only someone with a Floyd avatar would come up with that one!

Here in the States there is big anxiety trying to explain Trump to our kids. I was wondering what you guys thought about this video. It really is about the economy for all of us. I have shown this to my kids, and my grand kids. They say, who is Trump. I tell them Trump is F A Hayek. Believe or not, they do not teach this econ in high school. It is a bit much for my grand kids. But my kids not understand why Hillary lost. Americans understood this without the technical stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #2,098
  • Feb 10, 2017 9:31am Feb 10, 2017 9:31am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Only someone with a Floyd avatar would come up with that one! Here in the States there is big anxiety trying to explain Trump to our kids. I was wondering what you guys thought about this video. It really is about the economy for all of us. I have shown this to my kids, and my grand kids. They say, who is Trump. I tell them Trump is F A Hayek. Believe or not, they do not teach this econ in high school. It is a bit much for my grand kids. But my kids not understand why Hillary lost. Americans understood this without the technical stuff. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTQnarzmTOc...

I personally don't see the reason for the big anxiety. I'm not trying to be smart arse either but would definitely have trouble explaining Hilary and that isn't a left/right argument. Without repeating my opinion here https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=9549710#post9549710
Perhaps it's best to say you can't be sure but the new President is going to run the country with a fresh perspective and as good citizens we should now allow him the opportunity to prove his mettle. Capitalism is required to pay for elements of socialism. Extreme capitalism/domination is plain ugly, free loading is plain ugly. On a personal level I don't have an issue with my taxes assisting a section of society that due to circumstances beyond their control need a leg up. I do however object to assisting freeloaders. Now obviously there has to be greater detail for both extremes there but that would take forever. What label that puts on me I don't know.
As ever George has a funny way of saying something similar almost !
https://youtu.be/XdH38k0iUgI
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  • #2,099
  • Feb 10, 2017 10:30am Feb 10, 2017 10:30am
https://youtu.be/y5jGUDIaqAE
  • #2,100
  • Feb 10, 2017 11:04am Feb 10, 2017 11:04am
https://youtu.be/LL4CeXz5zaY
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