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  • #1,941
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:02am Feb 8, 2017 4:02am
Quoting jen101
{quote} The issue is not about whites versus Muslims. It is about British people of all races being very pissed off with Muslims of all races, including white Muslims. We let them into our country, give them money (more than anywhere else in the world), give them a home, educate their kids, give them free healthcare and they are in a free country to pursue whatever they wish and voice their opinions. What do we get in return? No gratitude, just pure hatred. Look at that video of the woman in Luton that Stu posted. She is abused and is called a slut...
I watched the first 14 seconds. No way that goes on here. Swat would be out there. It appears to be that there is lawlessness in France.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #1,942
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:03am Feb 8, 2017 4:03am
Quoting jen101
{quote} The issue is not about whites versus Muslims. It is about British people of all races being very pissed off with Muslims of all races, including white Muslims. We let them into our country, give them money (more than anywhere else in the world), give them a home, educate their kids, give them free healthcare and they are in a free country to pursue whatever they wish and voice their opinions. What do we get in return? No gratitude, just pure hatred. Look at that video of the woman in Luton that Stu posted. She is abused and is called a slut...

I am not sure jmn5611 will get it or for that matter accept the cultural destruction being carried out in the West by these lovely people and in the name of the religion of peace. And as for the peace element I mentioned earlier, this year alone, there have been 292 terrorist attacks, 1520 killed, 1815 injured in 32 countries all in the name of the religion of peace. Since 9/11 there have been 30262 terrorist attacks in the name of this religion
  • #1,943
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:03am Feb 8, 2017 4:03am
Quoting jmn5611
Of course verv, it is never about being white. And this concept of ban baiting is just stupid. People know what to say and what not say.
Your sarcasm and condescending tone is noted.

There are now 97 pages ITT, if you believe it has been about 'white' vs the rest, find evidence of that ITT.

If you cannot find such evidence, might I suggest you read what other people are actually saying rather than what you think they are saying.
  • #1,944
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:04am Feb 8, 2017 4:04am
Quoting jen101
{quote} The issue is not about whites versus Muslims. It is about British people of all races being very pissed off with Muslims of all races, including white Muslims. We let them into our country, give them money (more than anywhere else in the world), give them a home, educate their kids, give them free healthcare and they are in a free country to pursue whatever they wish and voice their opinions. What do we get in return? No gratitude, just pure hatred. Look at that video of the woman in Luton that Stu posted. She is abused and is called a slut...
I also have noted that I never see any videos or pictures of white muslims doing things. So how are we supposed to know that the whole community is doing these things when most of what we get here are people of middle eastern decent and talk of refugees?

Quoting verv
{quote} Your sarcasm and condescending tone is noted. There are now 97 pages ITT, if you believe it has been about 'white' vs the rest, find evidence of that ITT. If you cannot find such evidence, might I suggest you read what other people are actually saying rather than what you think they are saying.
Constant talk of refugees from Syria seem to obviate the need to think this muslim thing does not have a racial core, at least with some groups. Again, I never see white muslim videos. Only videos about raping, pillaging and violent refugees.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #1,945
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:07am Feb 8, 2017 4:07am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I also have noted that I never see any videos or pictures of white muslims doing things. So how are we supposed to know that the whole community is doing these things when most of what we get here are people of middle eastern decent and talk of refugees?
...you guys believe this guy is here for an honest discussion?

Obvious troll is obvious.
  • #1,946
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:07am Feb 8, 2017 4:07am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I have to say that I think some of the reluctance is the global perception of the west as an abusive imperial power. Remember that there are people still alive that remember the CIA driven Iranian coup and some parts of the world experience Neo-colonialism and all that comes with it today. I think moderate muslims are a bit passive aggressive on that score. {quote} Of course verv, it is never about being white. And this concept of ban baiting is just stupid. People know what to say and what not say.
So we should throw our heritage away based on the actions of our governments ? If it doesn't sit well with passive aggressive muslims why insert themselves in west ?
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #1,947
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:08am Feb 8, 2017 4:08am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I am not sure jmn5611 will get it or for that matter accept the cultural destruction being carried out in the West by these lovely people and in the name of the religion of peace. And as for the peace element I mentioned earlier, this year alone, there have been 292 terrorist attacks, 1520 killed, 1815 injured in 32 countries all in the name of the religion of peace. Since 9/11 there have been 30262 terrorist attacks in the name of this religion
Cultural destruction cannot occur unless the people allow it. That is my biggest point. People on the streets throwing rocks and sticks at cars???
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #1,948
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:09am Feb 8, 2017 4:09am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I also have noted that I never see any videos or pictures of white muslims doing things. So how are we supposed to know that the whole community is doing these things when most of what we get here are people of middle eastern decent and talk of refugees? {quote} Constant talk of refugees from Syria seem to obviate the need to think this muslim thing does not have a racial core, at least with some groups. Again, I never see white muslim videos. Only videos about raping, pillaging and violent refugees.
Yes, it clearly about their race, and nothing to do with a political islam culture that doesn't believe in our virtues of liberty. (Sarcasm obviously).
  • #1,949
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:11am Feb 8, 2017 4:11am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I also have noted that I never see any videos or pictures of white muslims doing things. So how are we supposed to know that the whole community is doing these things when most of what we get here are people of middle eastern decent and talk of refugees? {quote} Constant talk of refugees from Syria seem to obviate the need to think this muslim thing does not have a racial core, at least with some groups. Again, I never see white muslim videos. Only videos about raping, pillaging and violent refugees.
Here's some:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3278587/White-Widow-Samantha-Lewthwaite-watched-fellow-British-jihadist-Thomas-Evans-beheaded-Kenyan-villagers-massacre-claimed-50-lives.html

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/jihadi-jack-jack-letts-reportedly-first-white-british-male-to-join-isis-a6830836.html

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mother-british-jihadist-thomas-evans-says-dead-son-will-burn-hell-1523514
  • #1,950
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:12am Feb 8, 2017 4:12am
Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} So we should throw our heritage away based on the actions of our governments ? If it doesn't sit well with passive aggressive muslims why insert themselves in west ?
That is part of my point. No, none of us are responsible for what a very small minority did back then. But the perception is that we benefit from it. Here in the USA our problem is that our dollar is several multiples of what currencies are in South America and Southeast Asia. It is the same in the UK but worse. These obvious lawbreakers have to be addressed. If you guys to not do it then eventually they will take over the levers of government. Then they will have military power that rivals ours. That would be bad for the human race.

Quoting jen101
{quote} Here's some: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3278587/White-Widow-Samantha-Lewthwaite-watched-fellow-British-jihadist-Thomas-Evans-beheaded-Kenyan-villagers-massacre-claimed-50-lives.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/jihadi-jack-jack-letts-reportedly-first-white-british-male-to-join-isis-a6830836.html http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mother-british-jihadist-thomas-evans-says-dead-son-will-burn-hell-1523514

Thank you for taking me seriously, I joined this thread because of the impending issues here in the USA with Trump and his travel order, which our courts have suspended.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #1,951
  • Edited 4:26am Feb 8, 2017 4:14am | Edited 4:26am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I also have noted that I never see any videos or pictures of white muslims doing things. So how are we supposed to know that the whole community is doing these things when most of what we get here are people of middle eastern decent and talk of refugees? {quote} Constant talk of refugees from Syria seem to obviate the need to think this muslim thing does not have a racial core, at least with some groups. Again, I never see white muslim videos. Only videos about raping, pillaging and violent refugees.
Because they are bulk of the issue. There are crazy white converts in prison and a few women here and there but middle eastern/african is majority of issue.

Edit. Middle eastern/african muslims. Just to be clear.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #1,952
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:22am Feb 8, 2017 4:22am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} That is part of my point. No, none of us are responsible for what a very small minority did back then. But the perception is that we benefit from it. Here in the USA our problem is that our dollar is several multiples of what currencies are in South America and Southeast Asia. It is the same in the UK but worse. These obvious lawbreakers have to be addressed. If you guys to not do it then eventually they will take over the levers of government. Then they will have military power that rivals ours. That would be bad for the[/highlight]...
Yes exactly. And the frustrations you see here with our argument is largely because this issue has not been faced or tackled and the ordinary man/woman in the street who speaks out is immediately castigated under the banner of "Racism" when all but the insane can clearly see this is not a racial issue. It really is that simple.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #1,953
  • Edited 5:46am Feb 8, 2017 4:22am | Edited 5:46am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Cultural destruction cannot occur unless the people allow it. That is my biggest point. People on the streets throwing rocks and sticks at cars???
In order to have liberty, you must have order. To have order, you must have a population which believe in the same things, such as democracy, liberty, personal responsibility and equality under the law. If you don't have a population which believes in those things you get polarisation, isolation of communities and in some extreme cases war.

What you are effectively saying is, just let anyone and everyone in, and 'sure it will be ok' and 'sure 'we can send SWAT in if things go bad' or 'we can go to war with them if needs be'. In other words we shouldn't worry about them coming in, we should only be worried about the bad guys when they are already here... but I guarantee your front door is locked at night yet you object to running the country in the same way? - JUST LMAO AT THE HYPOCRISY.

Wouldn't it be better, just not to let people in who do not believe in democracy and liberty avoiding the political factions, and the challenges to law and order in the first place and preventing any problems in the future?

The idea that all cultures are compatible is wrong. There must at least be some basic common ground, in terms of what the role of government should be, in terms of believing in democracy, in terms of allowing maximal permissible freedom. If there is not, there will be no integration and potentially subversion of the law.

I don't think anyone is saying that this is problem solely an Islam problem, any individual can hold views counter to those which currently govern our countries.

But I happen to want my kids, and their kids, to live in a democracy and enjoy the freedoms that I have, and I believe that if extreme vetting is required to keep the barbarians out, irrespective of whether they are white, black, buddist, christian, muslim or whatever, then so be it - apparently that makes me a racist.

LMAO at you.
  • #1,954
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:25am Feb 8, 2017 4:25am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I watched the first 14 seconds. No way that goes on here. Swat would be out there. It appears to be that there is lawlessness in France.
The point is that this is the culture and mindset which comes along with many immigrants from this region. You don't get your own special fluffy non-violent, non-raping versions just because it is the USA.

It is not racist to accuse Muslims of wrongdoing; Islam is a religio-political system, not a race. This conflation of two very different things already causes endless confusion and miscarriages of justice. Such scattershot accusations fail to make a distinction between genuine hatred for Muslims and fair and balanced criticism of some of their behaviour and their religion.
  • #1,955
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:34am Feb 8, 2017 4:34am
[quote=verv;9538081]{quote} What you are effectively saying is, just let anyone and everyone in, and 'sure it will be ok' and 'sure we can send SWAT in if things go bad' or 'we can go to war with them if needs be'. Wouldn't it be better, just not to let people in who do not believe in democracy and liberty avoiding the political factions, the challenges to law and order, quote]

but if he did that he would not be able to get someone to incite violence and have their membership revoked

if you do not like what you hear here their is no reason pretending to be interested in people opinions in the hope of getting someone to said something and have their membership revoked and to do it with the skill of a 5 year old is just embarrassing
  • #1,956
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:47am Feb 8, 2017 4:47am
Quoting Stu Effex
So we have highlighted the issues but how to remedy ? I have said openly here I don't think Islam fits and ship 'em all out but obviously this wouldn't fly for a number of reasons. I think a good start is to deport All non national muslim population of prison. All non national unskilled muslim population. All non national muslim population who are on longterm disability benefits/housing benefit/long term unemployed. Anyone who solicits or promotes violence towards non muslims. ( Holding banners saying kill infidels etc ) Anyone who refuses to accept...

And ? Any other offers of a solution ? Or ideas of how this should be tackled ?

I think we have flogged the issue side of the argument and definitely established the concerns to be non racial.
Once You See, You Can't Unsee But You Will Get The Odd Poke In The Eye
  • #1,957
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:54am Feb 8, 2017 4:54am
Quoting Ross88
Quoting verv
{quote} What you are effectively saying is, just let anyone and everyone in, and 'sure it will be ok' and 'sure we can send SWAT in if things go bad' or 'we can go to war with them if needs be'. Wouldn't it be better, just not to let people in who do not believe in democracy and liberty avoiding the political factions, the challenges to law and order, quote] but if he did that he would not be able to get someone to incite violence and have their membership revoked if you do not like what you hear here their is no reason pretending
...
What is embarrassing is that you see conspiracies around every corner, behind every rock and tree. If you are stupid enough to be incited to violence by words, you are simply unstable. Ban baiting. Dumb, just dumb.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #1,958
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:55am Feb 8, 2017 4:55am
Interesting perspective - Time to Abandon the 'Terrorist Recruitment' Delusion http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/265708/time-abandon-terrorist-recruitment-delusion-bruce-thornton
  • #1,959
  • Edited 5:06am Feb 8, 2017 4:56am | Edited 5:06am
Quote
What is embarrassing is that you see conspiracies around every corner, behind every rock and tree. If you are stupid enough to be incited to violence by words, you are simply unstable. Ban baiting. Dumb, just dumb.


That's not what I said - you said that.

You say conspiracy, I say "The price of Liberty is eternal vigilance."

Liberty has a price but you seem to think it is free, how un-classical liberal of you.
  • #1,960
  • Feb 8, 2017 4:57am Feb 8, 2017 4:57am
Quoting Stu Effex
So we have highlighted the issues but how to remedy ? I have said openly here I don't think Islam fits and ship 'em all out but obviously this wouldn't fly for a number of reasons. I think a good start is to deport All non national muslim population of prison. All non national unskilled muslim population. All non national muslim population who are on longterm disability benefits/housing benefit/long term unemployed. Anyone who solicits or promotes violence towards non muslims. ( Holding banners saying kill infidels etc ) Anyone who refuses to accept...
I think that is what would have to happen to quell the violence. I would start with the last two and work my way towards the top. Here in the states, inciting to riot carries a jail term. Maybe you guys could start there. But if you do not show them that you are serious, then they will continue.
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
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