Trump’s Executive Order on Immigration: What We Know and What We Don’t | Forex Factory

  • Trump’s Executive Order on Immigration: What We Know and What We Don’t

    From nytimes.com

    President Trump’s executive order on immigration indefinitely barred Syrian refugees from entering the United States, suspended all refugee admissions for 120 days and blocked citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries, refugees or otherwise, from entering the United States for 90 days: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. The order unleashed chaos on the immigration system and in airports in the United States and overseas, and prompted protests and legal action. Here is a quick guide to what we know and what we don’t know about the order. What We Know The executive order was signed at 4:42 p.m. ... (full story)

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Mingary
Feb 2, 2017 11:21am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} TROLL TACTIC: THE SWITCH. While discussing profile of voters, on which you have made a sensitive but valid point.. "the Switch" ensures that the subject is redirected to the players agenda.. Nothing like a CBS education ..Eh? ROFL
Indeed THE SWITCH: other wise known as the "Straw man Argument logical fallacy"
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jmn5611
Feb 3, 2017 3:55am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Of course you must be right, nearly 7000 Swedish women have got it wrong. Have fun fun with your new friends, they have some wonderful cultural ditties. I think it is about time you did your own research, if you can bring yourself to do it.
I get my research from actual news sources, not facebook and right wing conspiracy blogs.
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Borg
Feb 2, 2017 1:37am — Edited
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People brain washed by the main stream media to think that a nation that wants to vet the people coming in to the country is wrong will never get it

Millions of illegals/refugees stampeding unchecked in to US and EU countries.

Over loading social services. Committing crimes way out of proportion to the rest of the country. Not interested in assimilating. Wanting to force their culture and values on the host country. Causing civil unrest. Running up huge costs.

All of the above well documented.

Like the people in a hypnotist show barking like a dog on all fours or flapping their arms and clucking like a chicken. The pro unchecked immigration people are msm brainwashed puppets.

Some countries seem to be realizing the problems that unchecked immigration causes.

What they don't realize is that their pro unchecked immigration leaders are globalist puppets.

Whose job is to destroy the sovereignty of their country by making their own people a minority in their own country.

All of this civil unrest will pave the way for a police state. A nation with no borders is not a nation.

It's a territory unable to defend it self, ripe for conquest by the globalists.

There is absolutely nothing positive about this mass unchecked immigration.

The strategy the puppet masters are using here is Karl Marx's dialectical materialism which came from Hegelian dialectics. This civil disorder they create is intended to make the people demand a police state type of government to bring law and order. The solution to the problem the puppet masters created is also by design. The people will be carefully guided to this predetermined solution. A solution which serves the puppet masters by concentrating power and control at the top. A solution which requires the democratic institutions of these countries to be dismantled.

In other words the puppet masters purposely create the problem, the people react in the expected way and demand a solution, and then the puppet masters guide them using the main stream media to a predetermined solution.

Turning civilized first world nations in to third world nations is no accident of nature. The sinister end game is world domination and only by destroying the sovereignty of nations with mass unchecked immigration can they do this. The citizens of these targeted countries will soon become minorities in their own country, unable to make their voices heard by voting since the invading immigrants will soon out number them and will not share their values.

Trump understands this and sees what has already happened in Europe and wants to prevent that from happening in the United States. All of the globalist puppets, like the ones in the British parliament, shrieking in anger that Trump has upset their apple cart is fun to watch. .

Don't believe me ? Hillary Clinton was the golden girl of the globalist. Their msm politically correct propaganda machine failed to get her elected. And now they are trying to destroy Donald Trump. Check out the below link which shows that open borders, as in a United States with no borders and by definition no longer a nation was her goal if she got elected. The same goal shared by all of the globalist puppet leaders. There is no republicans side, democrats side, liberals side or conservatives side. There is just our side and their side. The evil empire must be stopped and Donald Trump is leading the resistance.

Newt Gingrich: Hillary's dangerous dream of open borders
By Newt Gingrich Published October 14, 2016 FoxNews.com
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/...n-borders.html

My dream, she said, is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders.
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cliffedwards
Feb 2, 2017 11:15am
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Quoting IGNORED
{quote} So the uneducated are simply wrong about the danger of radicals from the Islamic world, that the $113bn per year spent on illegal immigrants is not real and Congress is wrong when it says that the current vetting system is a failure?
TROLL TACTIC: THE SWITCH.

While discussing profile of voters, on which you have made a sensitive but valid point..
"the Switch" ensures that the subject is redirected to the players agenda..

Nothing like a CBS education ..Eh?

ROFL
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Stu Effex
Feb 6, 2017 5:09am
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Quoting smikester
Here's an assertion for you, Devauxt. You mentioned woolly minded liberals in one of your posts. I prefer the term "rational, thinking, educated people". Not the type of person who lashes out almost indiscriminately if they are hurt. Even if they get the urge to do that. As you know, this type of person is often easily bullied or worn out by idiocy. I don't elevate myself above you or anyone else by categorising myself as this kind of person. Let me say I am just observing you. I don't need to post facts to support my arguments. Like you,...
I think Dev's "TYPE" comes about by sheer frustration. In the UK this has been a slow burner and the pro immigration have been able to use the "RACE" card and other such nonsense as their primary weapon to the extent of locking people up who raise legitimate issue with the levels and type of immigration we have welcomed without consultation or question.
The traders here will surely understand the numbers and they don't stack up whichever way they are presented and there have been some pretty creative ways of doing so. The stats have no clue as to the amount of illegal immigration either.
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/269
https://www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/377

Ok so we now switch to the particular problem of Muslim immigration as they have been the largest sector to swell the UK immigration numbers.
If we accept that due to their procreation practices (again the growth in this area is hard to deny) once the balance is tipped it is only a matter of time before UK will be under Sharia Law officially. At present there are many Sharia Councils enforcing unofficial laws of our country already, again you would have to have been living under a rock not to know this. It is no secret that in the birthplaces of many of our migrants they wholeheartedly believe that Sharia Law is the only law they can obey, which is fine if you remain in your birthplace however as we know that belief does not leave them at the border of our country and is rife. So again purely as a numbers game,procreation game, it is only a matter of time before Sharia is the new norm. Now for the people here who are so welcoming of this invasion and in the knowledge that you are not stupid do you really believe that multiculturalism will still exist once that balance is tipped ? Or will the fastest growing religion of the world want only one culture, theirs ? And for those who only want official government statistics etc it's simple they just don't produce them, well certainly not for Joe public anyway. They would be far too shocking.
http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/migrants-in-the-uk-an-overview/
And of course the real evidence is your eyes, go to a town in the Uk where the balance has still yet to be tipped, Blackburn for example (There are lots more to choose from) and see if there is any resemblance of what your perception of British culture was/is.
The ideology hasn't changed since the Caliphate of the 7th century. Why is it such a problem for so many so called moderate Muslims to control the few radicals ? They are one and the same thing as there is only one Islam.
Again for the "welcome with open arms" people be prepared for your children/grandchildren/great grandchildren, especially females to accept Islam as by sheer numbers and rabbit style breeding that is their fate, as even without further immigration existing numbers are sufficient to accomplish their goal and us, above all people, understand the power of compounding !

I too am a "DEV Type" and it is out of realism, it is not an exaggerated view or alarmist it is a legitimate response to what I see happening with my own eyes in my own country, no reliance on facebook or other such crap. I actually lived amongst the Tower Hamlets takeover in the 90's when lots of related issues were just swept under the carpet and left unreported.
Please don't respond with claims of racism, xenophobia it really has been flogged to death.
If nothing is done I wish you well accepting your fate.
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jmn5611
Feb 2, 2017 10:35am
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It is happening because of a rule one of our founding fathers put in to prevent large states from dominating smaller ones. Trump won more states than Hillary. The states he won he won with the unskilled and uneducated votes. So now they have one of their own in the White House. Let's see how it works out for them.
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jmn5611
Feb 3, 2017 2:06am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Of course it is an estimate, it has to be. No one has a truly accurate figure on the number of illegal immigrants in the USA. And are the Swedish women lying about being raped or is it lies that the migrants from the Middle East follow a religion whose beliefs are contrary to the core values of the USA. I have not seen anywhere in the US constitution where murder, rape, religious intolerance, hate preaching, child marriages, marriage between close relations, FGM, forced marriages, male female segregation, gay hatred, subjugation of women...

Your argument is called stereotyping. Just because someone says that they are Muslim does not mean that they are. So instead of facebook, why don't you show me where the Quran says that murder, rape, religious intolerance, hate preaching, child marriages, marriage between close relations, FGM, forced marriages, male female segregation, gay hatred, subjugation of women are acceptable. Be mindful that the first five books of the Quran and Bible are the same. ISIS is no more Muslim than the KKK is Christian.
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jmn5611
Feb 3, 2017 9:11am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Yeah yeah jmn5611, I've yet to see you provide any supporting evidence for anything even youtube. I was concerned that Son of Sam would over tax himself have to read a whole load of facts, but if you think he is up to it here is more in-depth back ground into the countries that are on the ban list. I won't do any more for you, as I think you and him are already far too lazy when it comes to research 1 Yemen – Anwar al-Awlaki was an American and Yemeni imam and Islamic lecturer. U.S. government officials allege that he was a senior recruiter...
That is not what I asked. You get an F for Failure to Comprehend. Where in the QURAN does it say that murder, rape, incest, and all the other things you speak of are approved???

I am trying really hard not to call you stupid.

By the way, I am open to shouts, and I actually trade. So if I get too many shouts to break it off with you, I will post them here and then leave the conversation. I have enough people who read what I have to say about trading that if you become a distraction then I will let you know by proof and then let this thing go. So far, no one is upset.
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smikester
Feb 2, 2017 11:47am
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I don't doubt that immigration policy needs reform. But all you Nigels, Donalds and Pats are using misleading wording. You and your type are misleading ignorant or unsophisticated people who would like someone to blame for all their life's ills. You are being dishonest and what I fear most about people like you is that you love to have followers, people who believe in you, so that you can feel powerful and have free reign to bully those who don't agree with you.
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smikester
Feb 3, 2017 3:56am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration..
So, immigrants are a new form of Schroedinger's Theorom, by stealing our jobs and simultaneously costing us money by claiming benefits? You are spouting jizz.

And I'm waiting for your hero, that prick Pat Condell, to warn immigrants of the current state of the Christian church - ongoing physical abuse of children allegations in the Church of England and historical ones of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church. Not to mention what's going on in football...

And you are on shifting sands Devauxt, mentioning hate preaching. You are a hate preacher, and there are plenty of you around. The more you preach hate, the more we see through you.

Excuse me if I don't answer your next diatribe. You make me feel uneasy.
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Mingary
Feb 5, 2017 1:59pm
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“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there has always been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”


― Isaac Asimov
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smikester
Feb 6, 2017 2:37am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote}Please feel free to call me stupid, I won't be offended.
I would be.

By vilifying entire religions, countries and groups using clips from media - copied and pasted pages, you expect us to be impressed?

You have the nerve to call it research and pretend we don't know what you are doing.
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smikester
Feb 6, 2017 2:39am
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Quoting jen101
{quote} Hey goldminger, do you feel all pleased with yourself now? Do you have that warm feeling that only you know about? Warm and wet trickling down your legs? Feels good, doesn't it?
So vulgar! You seem to know what you are talking about, though.
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Calculus
Feb 2, 2017 3:32am
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Quoting Mingary
because Trump enthusiasts are idiots. But they certainly are funny.
Mingary, I can guarantee that Trump supporters are laughing way more than all the liberal snowflakes.

What he's doing, how he's trolling everyone, his blunt comments, lack of political correctness etc. It's hilarious to watch the historical outbursts. His immigration ban made a grown man (Chuck 'Schmuck' Schumer) weep and cry like a pussy (and this jackass is supposed to be a 'leader').

I've been laughing and smiling so much over the last few months that if I was clinically depressed I'd be cured.
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Earleone
Feb 6, 2017 4:31am
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Quoting frx_trader
{quote} So you think all the people have equal chance to become a ter? So an Irish can shout without thinking "Whites are evil"? What is the chance?
I think very many has the potential to become terrorists if pushed enough and dont see other possibility's and hate is strong enough. See what happened during world war 2 when Nations did war crimes against each other ( Germany, UK, USA and more with them was bombing civil targets it is a war crime and a terror action too. And it was not for the reason that enemy was using human shields hiding behind some hospital or school. It was from pure hate and revenge and to destabilize moral and both parts did ) Atomic bombs in Japan was also IMO a war crime targeting civil persons. It did however put and end to the war and perhaps saved some other lives. Winning part in conflict / war dont get judged. Only the loosing part, and the civil population suffer the most during the conflict/war/terror.
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frx_trader
Feb 2, 2017 12:23am
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Quoting Borg
{quote} They are not coming to these host countries to become citizens of the host country. They are coming to escape the problems from their country.
Hello Borg. You are almost right. Let me add more.

By letting them in means:

1. They view the host country has submitted to their laws. They are not to trade with you, nor to work for you, nor to become your nice neighbors. They want the host country to submit to their laws. I think this is clear.

2. They view the host country is their supporter and boost their pride. They often say their belief is the no 1 growing in the host country. And soon the host country will confess and bow to their belief and laws.

3. They are relentless until they achieve their goal. And don't forget. Deception to enemy is allowed and encouraged. I think we are aware of it.

Trump is very aware of and alert of these. Once you let them in, it's hardly possible to get rid of.
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 9:01am
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Quoting frx_trader
{quote} Hello Borg. You are almost right. Let me add more. By letting them in means: 1. They view the host country has submitted to their laws. They are not to trade with you, nor to work for you, nor to become your nice neighbors. They want the host country to submit to their laws. I think this is clear. 2. They view the host country is their supporter and boost their pride. They often say their belief is the no 1 growing in the host country. And soon the host country will confess and bow to their belief and laws. 3. They are relentless until they...
Pat Condell agrees with you A Word To The Criminal Migrant https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9e_vcSut0A
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cliffedwards
Feb 5, 2017 2:11am
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Quoting jen101
{quote} Hey goldminger, do you feel all pleased with yourself now? Do you have that warm feeling that only you know about? Warm and wet trickling down your legs? Feels good, doesn't it?
? @jen101, Really. This isnt a medical self-help forum.
Im sorry you appear have such personal familiarity with this problem.
Incontinence can be a problem for women of your age, and we all sympathize.
But I hardly think FF is the place to share your experiences.
Still less project them on others.
If it continues to be a problem for you..you can find help here.
http://www.health.com/health/gallery...457139,00.html
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 3:32am
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Quoting IGNOREED
{quote} I'll leave it to the audience to judge for themselves
So lets let the audience judge this..
You my Irish friend, (wanabe UKIP Brit) have supported in this thread toxic blanket allegations,rightly or wrongly, against Islamic migrants and suspicion of their potential for terrorism..
Perhaps you would like to justify your own position as a migrant, in MY country, in terms of the continued threat of Irish terrorism to my country.

Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk.
Because they are Irish born? Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?.
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jmn5611
Feb 2, 2017 10:14am
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Quoting Mingary
I am shocked. No Trump supporters ranting and raving about all this ? Come on, please explain to us this genius strategy from your Dear Leader.
Trump voters in this country by and large are *ahem* unsophisticated. There are more precise words but I will cling to being civil for awhile longer.
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jmn5611
Feb 3, 2017 10:19am
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Quoting gat
jmn5611: The lengths some go to in order to be ok with Islam is amazing. Here's the difference between ISIS and the KKK. The end game results of ISIS are the same as the Muslim Brotherhood is the same the mainstream Muslim as shown in the polls (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pa...ion-polls.aspx). The end game results of the KKK are NOT the same as mainstream whites. Muslim state governments are not monolithic and each has their own internal issues to deal with. Knowing something about what each is dealing with explains why the...
So are you suggesting that SA brand of Islam is not extreme??

And you have yet to demonstrate( no one ever has) that ISIS is connected to the tenets of the Quran in any way.

Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Come on dip541t, get off your arse and do a little work yourself, Please feel free to call me stupid, I won't be offended. I have a mutual admiration for you OK, now this is the last time I will help you. One more link http://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/myths/index.aspx
Okay, it's official. You are stupid. You are stupid because you castigate two billion people for the actions of a few hundred. You are stupid because you do not know one word of the Quran. You are stupid because you drink that conspiracy kool aid. We havea comedian here in the USA, that says, you can't fix stupid. But you have have an advocate in the White House, who has managed to alienate two of our most trusted allies in a single weekend. Don't you feel proud?
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jmn5611
Feb 3, 2017 10:39am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Is it any wonder that Trump won, when fluffy liberals like you come out with guff like that. You Hilary and the rest of you intolerance apologists handed to him on a plate. Middle America rightly thought you pinky's are clueless
Yeah. Middle America did not vote that clown show in. James Madison saw this coming. That was the reason for the EC. That is too much for you especially if you are not from the states. Suffice it to say, he never anticipated an ignorant electorate. The stupids have the floor, lets see what they do with the place.

Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Look dip541t, there are 1.2bn followers of that sect and intelligence agencies around the world believe that between 15 and 25% are radical followers. You do the maths I could care less what someone of your intelligence thinks of me. You have claimed that I and others cannot back our views and then when we do, you throw insults instead of researched and reasoned counter argument. Unlike some of the other right minded individuals in here, you have provided not a shred of supporting evidence for your views. Your fluffy liberal cliches won't...
And you still have NOT shown anyone where it says in the QURAN, about you claims of murder and rape. Until you show me a Sura that advocates that, you are just another xenophobic troll who know nothing of what they speak.
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jmn5611
Feb 3, 2017 11:44am
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Quoting gat
I'll agree it is their culture. That is fine as long as they do not bring it here. But that is not their way. By war or by birth rate they intent is to overtake. Only fools ignore that and invite them in. While you still claim to not see violence in the Koran you simply do not want to see it. a simple Google search brings up numerous Sura advocating or requiring it. Morse important is the wide support for it as shown in the polls.
Polls are propaganda, both left and right. If they do not show how they selected their sample size, it is BS. Now, as far as bringing it "here". Where is "here", for you. As for me, I know it cannot happen. Our system of government prevents it, which is why we are the lone superpower on the planet.
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jmn5611
Feb 3, 2017 11:52am
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Quoting Mingary
There is nothing bad about Islam except that it is still a political movement cloaked in religion. Some serious reform is badly needed to make it compatible with modern values and democracy. IMO ALL religions should be practiced in private. What's good for brothels should be good enough for any religion.
Indeed. But in America they are lurching towards a theocracy in spite of the Founders wanted. They assumed an educated electorate. They could never have foreseen what has come to pass.
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jmn5611
Feb 5, 2017 9:42am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Judged by you, Oh please jedward, don't make me laugh. I am happy to be judged by my peers, but you don't make that grade and neither does your posse of bed-wetters. Sanctimonious condescending indignation really is a good look on you
The only bed wetters I ever see are the Trumpkins. Scared of every thing, all of the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba18U3Fx1pE
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jmn5611
Feb 5, 2017 3:05pm
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} The interesting thing about your comment is that you see yourself included in jedwards posse ROFL
Who is jedwards? The thing about thinking people is we do not get our instructions from conspiracy sites and blogs. If it does not say .edu on it I take it with a big grain of salt. Politics is based on fear and need, you folks have that fear thing down cold. As for myself, I do not waste time worrying about what is going on the Sudan, I do not live there. They are a sovereign state, so is Iran, the UAE, etc. If they do not bother us, then there is no need to be bothering them.
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Ross88
Feb 1, 2017 9:33am
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Quoting frx_trader
Thank you. Some immigrants do not acknowledge let alone respect and honor your constitution nor laws nor culture. Some belief see your constitution, laws and culture are inferior and should be under their law. Even if you as the host country and they as immigrants.

And some immigrants think they are far more superior than their host country. And some immigrants think they should have more rights than the citizens.

In short some immigrants despise your constitution, Democracy, laws and culture.

I try to be as polite as possible. But also...
here's a survey to backup your post

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4163742/Almost-half-refugees-think-religious-law-important.html
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Ill-b-back
Feb 2, 2017 12:32am
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Quoting Mingary
{quote} {quote} You all card carrying members of the Trump Offensive Front just can't seem to understand how I find you and your Glorious Leader (yes, if you are Australian just look what happened to your PM, absolutely rip roaring belly slapping fun) so hilariously funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_Gi-4
I'm quite sure I dislike our PM as much as Trump does.
but once again, your post is full of nothing but your own hot air of sensationalism, typically devoid of any specific relevant points worthy of debate.
keep it coming, with every fact deficient, irrelevant post you make, you confirm the accuracy of your profile page status;
"I should be on your ignore list"
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Ill-b-back
Feb 2, 2017 1:45am — Edited
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Quoting Borg
{quote} Hello Ill-b-back, See my below post where where I take a part Mingary's feeble minded anti-Trump attacks. Just hilarious. I think he must be suffering from dementia. Just no cure for stupid. It's not just that he is wrong he doesn't even make any sense. FF should have a Most Ignored Members list to save people from wasting time. Violent clashes by protesters resume with police in downtown Washington blocks from Trump inauguration parade route Post 22 http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php...52#post9465782 It starts out Let's...
Yeah, I'm not really sure what it is with Mingary.
He keeps referring to Trump as "Glorious leader", but I have no idea why.
Maybe he's trying to win favour with the President;
To get an autograph perhaps?

I'm sure if he keeps repeating this flattering title for long enough, someone with direct or indirect access to the President will eventually catch onto Mingarys' Mantra and put in a good word for the desperate soul.
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smikester
Feb 3, 2017 4:04am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Before you make a fool of yourself, please re read the thread and then explain what I have said that is incorrect
We don't want or need to explain anything to you. You should have got the message by now.

How many of your posts are about trading? How many as a percentage?

And how many are about race hate?

It's time for you to go.
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smikester
Feb 3, 2017 4:11am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} No hate here at all. Intolerant of intolerance more like. And for the record, I have a dislike for all religions , which have the cause of unspeakable atomicities around the World for centuries Just in case you missed this one - Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089
You are trolling. Time to go.
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smikester
Feb 3, 2017 4:17am
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Quoting goldfinger
you did not answer my question about what you will do when American women are raper in the name of legit rape. Practice what you preach.
He probably won't get the chance.
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Ross88
Feb 3, 2017 5:15am
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Quoting SickOfScam
So Devauxt, why don't you answer on this politely question, instead of provoking? {quote}
for the some reason I don't argue with people that say the world is flat as the earth it's obviously round
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Mingary
Feb 3, 2017 11:46am
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There is nothing bad about Islam except that it is still a political movement cloaked in religion.
Some serious reform is badly needed to make it compatible with modern values and democracy.
IMO ALL religions should be practiced in private. What's good for brothels should be good enough for any religion.
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Mingary
Feb 3, 2017 12:04pm
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Indeed. But in America they are lurching towards a theocracy in spite of the Founders wanted. They assumed an educated electorate. They could never have foreseen what has come to pass.
Yes, that is true. For one thing an "uneducated electorate" will tend to elect a leader that will destroy them, and second religion is always a big part of it. It takes vigilance to keep religion away from power.
Perhaps you have already seen a theme taking hold that Trump is the "messenger of god'
Political Christianity is as destructive as political Islam. Humans forget... just go back 400 years and take a good look at Christianity then (;
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smikester
Feb 6, 2017 3:02am
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Here's an assertion for you, Devauxt. You mentioned woolly minded liberals in one of your posts. I prefer the term "rational, thinking, educated people". Not the type of person who lashes out almost indiscriminately if they are hurt. Even if they get the urge to do that. As you know, this type of person is often easily bullied or worn out by idiocy.

I don't elevate myself above you or anyone else by categorising myself as this kind of person. Let me say I am just observing you. I don't need to post facts to support my arguments. Like you, I'm not "politically correct".

I don't like you or your type. That's why I'm here.
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smikester
Feb 6, 2017 4:31am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I have answered your question earlier and it is as much as you are going to get. You seem to want to alter the the debate to something you think might be have an upper hand on, in the same way that you tried to divert the Brexit debate (at its outset) away from the mainstream of chat here in FF in your typical duplicitous way. As to your righteous, sanctimonious, condescending indignation, I refer you to the answer I gave earlier
It's a very valid question. You can not skirt round it. But you are trying to.

Let's put it another way. Should English people be banned from travelling to Ireland because of all the atrocities they committed against the Irish people in the past?

This is not altering the debate, it's highlighting the problem (the problem being the human race). Resorting to insults does not change this.
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Ross88
Feb 6, 2017 11:34am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Im sure your a nice guy verv. Im sure you are a knowledgeable person. But with respect to all that you have no idea of how republican insurgency is or has been organised. I can say no more. Read this again .. and go figure?? A terrorist is defined under section 40 of the Terrorism Act 2000 as any person who: • Is a member of a proscribed terrorist organisation or incites support for such an organisation; • Is involved with fundraising or money laundering for terrorism; • Participates in or arranges weapons training; • Directs a terrorist...
this is getting embarrassing give it up i'm not sure if you can take anymore humiliation or do you get a weird thrill out of it??
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Calculus
Feb 2, 2017 4:09am
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Ming, Yes!

Laughing is one of my 3 daily routines to try to keep the Doctor at bay.

1. 150 calories burnt down the Gym, 5 days a week.
2. Try to eat a negative 150 calories in a daily diet (Sunday can be a pig out day)
3. Laugh and smile as much as you can (especially important if you're locked away in an office all day on your own)

Follow those 3 and you'll have the best chance of keeping away from the Doctor.
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Earleone
Feb 2, 2017 12:01pm
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Oh give it a rest mate.. On the much more interesting subject of Avatars.. I notice the yours is very interesting too.. Penfold? isnt it.. ?? bit of a strange choice? Lighten up and tell us the story?
I would suggest for him to use Goebbels as Avatar .
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verv
Feb 3, 2017 6:27am
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Isn't it interesting, that people like:
@SickofScammer
@Cliff
@smikester

...when their hypocrisy is highlighted, or when proof is asked when they imply the other guy is a 'racist' that they simply lock up shop and ignore.


Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Thats EXACTLY the agenda. The only reason I waste my time in responding to ANY of this BULLSHIT. STOP POLITICAL SPAMMERS.
You are top 3 'POLITICAL SPAMMERS'
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verv
Feb 6, 2017 9:37am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} You are really confusing "virtual reality" - with Personal experience and On -the-Ground Reality. Google has a lot to answer for. LoL
It is you who is blasting away on google. I have SIGNIFICANT knowledge of the Troubles. I assure you I don't need to use google.

The PIRA split from the OIRA in 1969, that split meant that the PIRA was in the vast majority a Northern Ireland based organisation with NI based volunteers.

Here is Joe Cahill, one of the guys who founded the PIRA, and later a member of the PIRA army council talking about the split from Dublin... 2.30min onwards is relevant

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verv
Feb 6, 2017 10:56am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} I have significant EXPERIENCE of them. Thats the difference... buddy. Youve admitted that @devauxts 99% claim was Bollox. He Didnt. Alt-Fact. You asked me a question . I gave you an answer. You cast yourself as an observer.. SAnd you observed /Endof. . What your video and dancing dogs have to do with with that is beyond me. Now all we all waiting for is @devauxts next dodge.. to avoid the question hes been dodging for three days? having espoused blanket prejudice against one social group as a source of terrorism does he similarly advocate...
What experience do you have cliff? It doesn't seem as if you have much.

It seems you have no knowledge of the terrorists you claim to know so much about. Because if you did you would have known that the vast majority lived within the U.K. You would also know the ROI and U.K.coopoerated enormously in intelligence sharing, in extradition, in border security. But you don't seem to know any of this.

Yes Dev % are no doubt off a little, but he is in the correct ball park, but you aren't even close to the ball park lol.

The video points to the fact that since 1969, the Irish terrorist was in the vast majority a Northern Ireland resident.
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verv
Feb 6, 2017 11:20am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Im sure your a nice guy verv. Im sure you are a knowledgeable person. But with respect to all that you have no idea of how republican insurgency is or has been organised. I can say no more. Read this again .. and go figure?? A terrorist is defined under section 40 of the Terrorism Act 2000 as any person who: Is a member of a proscribed terrorist organisation or incites support for such an organisation; Is involved with fundraising or money laundering for terrorism; Participates in or arranges weapons training; Directs a terrorist...
Cliff what experience do you have of NI terrorism? You claimed to have experience and I'm curious to know what that is.

Given that I have lived in Northern Ireland for large sections of my life, during the Troubles (my father worked there, my first job was there) I wonder if your experience is greater than mine.

Certainly your knowledge of the Troubles is unlikely to be greater than mine. The peace from the PIRA was ratified in 1998 two years before the 2000 terrorist act you are citing. Even today most of the dissident terrorists still live in UK territory.

I think you should stick to your circle of competence.
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SickOfScam
Feb 3, 2017 7:12am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Oh hell, you and I are probably in trouble for
--> tell the uncomfortable truth again

We do not let that some "political rookies" here accusing Muslims in general, and constant injury EU citizens called us fascists !! ENDE!

Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Thats EXACTLY the agenda. The only reason I waste my time in responding to ANY of this BULLSHIT. STOP POLITICAL SPAMMERS.
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Copernicus
Feb 6, 2017 8:54am
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There are more subtle ways to reduce the immigration intake. We are getting pretty good at it down under.

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Ill-b-back
Feb 1, 2017 3:03pm
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Quoting goldfinger
what will you lot do when DT passes legit rape law, you mothers, daughters and sisters get raped in the name of legit rape?
I think there is something growing inside of you and it is impinging a critical nerve somewhere.
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smikester
Feb 2, 2017 12:01pm
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Misleading and dishonest in what way? Please be specific
Good luck with that.
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smikester
Feb 3, 2017 4:20am
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How many of your posts are about trading? How many as a percentage?

And how many are about race hate?
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Borg
Feb 2, 2017 2:07am
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Quoting frx_trader
{quote} Hello Borg. You are almost right. Let me add more. By letting them in means: 1. They view the host country has submitted to their laws. They are not to trade with you, nor to work for you, nor to become your nice neighbors. They want the host country to submit to their laws. I think this is clear. 2. They view the host country is their supporter and boost their pride. They often say their belief is the no 1 growing in the host country. And soon the host country will confess and bow to their belief and laws. 3. They are relentless until they...
Thanks frx_trader. Well said. And yes deceiving the infidels is a part of their religion.
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Borg
Feb 2, 2017 2:13am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Let's be honest here, the reason you can't have a reasonable debate, is that you are not sufficiently equipped to do so. A chimp could have a smart mouth like yours, it takes a man to properly engage in debate
So funny Devauxt. A nice slam dunk.

His name is spelled Mingary but pronounced Moron.
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RondaRousey
Feb 2, 2017 9:25pm
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Rich Muslims- welcomed to US
Poor Muslims- Ban
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Devauxt
Feb 1, 2017 8:38am
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Quoting frx_trader
Trump has made the Right decision regarding ban on immigration.

US has to protect Democracy and the people.
Totally agree. He could have done it in a better way, by the decision is sound

Trey Gowdy / Jason Chaffetz Prove Why Travel Ban Is Needed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KWgZ323Kko
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 2:45am
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Quoting Forexia
I understand Trump's idea of not admitting potential terrorists and extremists into the country but this executive order is very ineffective and misleading. First of all, it's only for 90 days. So what happens after this 90-day period? Is everybody from those seven countries are going to be admitted just like before? If you REALLY want to ban immigration from those countries out of security concerns then why just ban for 90 days why not a permanent ban? If you are going to ban it, ban it permanently otherwise the effort is really not worth it. Second,...
This might help understand the challenges with the current system Trey Gowdy / Jason Chaffetz Prove Why Travel Ban Is Needed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KWgZ323Kko
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 3:07am
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Quoting Mingary
Let's be clear that the reason I don't want to play is simply because Trump enthusiasts are idiots. But they certainly are funny. Have fun and play nice ...
You might want others to believe that, but as you have proven in this thread and all others, you have a smart mouth but are devoid of any debating skills
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cliffedwards
Feb 2, 2017 11:57am
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Quoting IGNORED
{quote} Misleading and dishonest in what way? Please be specific
Oh give it a rest mate..
On the much more interesting subject of Avatars..
Like @mingarys, I notice the yours is very interesting too..

Penfold? isnt it.. ??
bit of a strange choice? Whats the link? Lighten up and tell us the story?
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cliffedwards
Feb 2, 2017 12:06pm
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Quoting Earleone
{quote} I would suggest for him to use Goebbels as Avatar .
Whatever LoL..
But LIKE yours.. Interesting source too..
Avatars tell a lot.. And I guess these things should be relevant, creative and fun. and this is all 3.
Nice..
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 12:25am — Edited
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Yes, to all three. That is what happens when one gets their news from facebook.
This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal alien workers. http://www.fairus.org/publications/t...ates-taxpayers

The Center for Immigration Studies, reported in 2004: "Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.

You seem to believe Middle Eastern migrants should enter freely and without proper scrutiny, where radical and moderate followers of their authoritarian sect believe in murder, rape, religious intolerance, hate preaching, child marriages, marriage between close relations, FGM, forced marriages, male female segregation, gay hatred, subjugation of women

Since 2001 there have been 580 convictions for terrorism in the USA, 380 of which were foreign born (62 Pakistan, 28 Lebanon, 22 Palestinian, 21 Somalia, 20 Yemen, 19 Iraq, 16 Jordan, 17 Egypt 10 Afghanistan)

But hey, for the fluffy liberals, the display of tolerance for intolerance is a price worth paying.

Are the fluffy liberals in the USA so dense, that they cannot see what is happening in Europe with Middle Eastern migrants. One of the most liberal countries in Europe, Sweden (where less than 25% of rapes are reported), is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only by Lesotho in Southern Africa. The liberal Swedish courts have demonstrated sympathy for the rapists, and have acquitted suspects who have claimed that the girl wanted to have sex with six, seven or eight men. Here, read it for yourself https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape

Pat Condell- We Want The Truth, President Trump, Obama
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 2:34am
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Your argument is called stereotyping. Just because someone says that they are Muslim does not mean that they are. So instead of facebook, why don't you show me where the Quran says that murder, rape, religious intolerance, hate preaching, child marriages, marriage between close relations, FGM, forced marriages, male female segregation, gay hatred, subjugation of women are acceptable. Be mindful that the first five books of the Quran and Bible are the same. ISIS is no more Muslim than the KKK is Christian.
Of course you must be right, nearly 7000 Swedish women have got it wrong. Have fun fun with your new friends, they have some wonderful cultural ditties. I think it is about time you did your own research, if you can bring yourself to do it.
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SickOfScam
Feb 3, 2017 4:42am
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Devaouxt, that lousy radical activists intentionally provoke and offend traders on this forum. He is betting this character because his intention is to test Ban mechanism on FF

Quoting smikester
I think you should know, back on trading, that I made good money yesterday and today, shorting the Pound. While you are wasting your time trolling.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 8:43am
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Quoting Earleone
Funny variant of the Spanish laughing guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qB5gL9LUKvM
Earleone. This guy is great, soo funny

Here is another one from him, you'll probably wet yourself with this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbzwVn0cUBM
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SickOfScam
Feb 3, 2017 11:51am — Edited
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} ... Devauxt...you are just another xenophobic troll who know nothing of what they speak....
Of coursee, he knows what is he doing. In general, there is no difference between Devauxt and any other ( ISIS too) radicals that bombard forums with his BS.
Their job is to destabilize each system and introduce chaos and this is exactly what hes doing on our forum, for months .
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cliffedwards
Feb 3, 2017 12:12pm
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Look dip541t, there are 1.2bn followers of that sect and intelligence agencies around the world believe that between 15 and 25% are radical followers. You do the maths I could care less what someone of your intelligence thinks of me. You have claimed that I and others cannot back our views and then when we do, you throw insults instead of researched and reasoned counter argument. Unlike some of the other right minded individuals in here, you have provided not a shred of supporting evidence for your views. Your fluffy liberal cliches won't...
I cannot but wonder at your enthusiasm on this subject.
That of potential terrorism threats to our security.
While you my Irish friend, have filled this thread with allegations rightly or wrongly, against Islamic migrants and suspition of their potential for terrorism..perhaps you would like to justify your own position in terms of the continued threat of Irish terrorism in my country.

I refer you to this article from May last year.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...d-bomb-attacks

Extract:
There is a severe threat of terrorist attacks on police in Northern Ireland by dissident republican groups, a higher level than MI5s warning last week of a substantial risk of a New IRA bomb in Britain, the Observer has learned.One of those groups has acquired a stock of the deadly explosive semtex, security sources say.
Rank-and-file police officers in the region are on a high state of alert as the three main hardline republican paramilitary groups target them for assassination. With the security forces dealing with a 40% increase in bomb alerts in the province, the Police Federation for Northern Ireland says the terrorist threat is now severe the highest threat rate."

It begs the question as to whether we should we consider treating YOU as a potential terrorist and subject YOU to the same or similar blanket place-of_birth prejudice simply because you are Irish born?
Just wondering?
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cliffedwards
Feb 3, 2017 12:51pm
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} On terrorism (from any faction, religion, sect or nation) my position is clear, it has no place in society and only cowards engage in it. As to the nationality thing, you have all you are going to get but vastly more interesting than you could ever imagine
BULLSHIT...

Like most people here Im not interested in your personal narrative.
I want to know whether we as British people should apply the same blanket prejudice to YOU, and YOUR Country of Birth that you advocate for Muslims, .
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cliffedwards
Feb 3, 2017 2:11pm
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Well cliffedwards, since you don't have all the facts and I'm not about to give them to you, I can't possibly answer that question, or that might give the game away
Answer the fkucing question.
Im NOT INTERESTED nor is anyone else in your narrative..
Or in your "debating" techniques..

You are being JUDGED HERE on your answers..
Not by me but by every member and guest who reads this thread.

ONLY whether you consider you should be treated on the same blanket basis as an Islamic migrant that because of your place of birth should be regarded as a potentially serious terrorist threat to MY country.
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goldfinger
Feb 4, 2017 9:56am
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Cliff- You are trying to have intellectual debate with people who use fox news, youtube and blogs as evidence.
Do you remember UK under sharia law, Birmingham is no go area for white, Obama was created in a lab in China? Someone asked me to provide evidence of LEGIT RAPE law to be introduced in America, I did and guess what his reply was " what's wrong with Akin".
You may ask why I come here and talk to these people. I enjoy pissing them off. If they dont get pissed off I push them more till they lose it.
I f you say Shakespeare, some of them think you are talking about Arab person called shake pear, thats how stupid they are.
“If you want to tell people the truth, make them laugh, otherwise they'll kill you.”
― George Bernard Shaw
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jen101
Feb 4, 2017 11:39am
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Quoting goldfinger
Cliff- You are trying to have intellectual debate with people who use fox news, youtube and blogs as evidence. Do you remember UK under sharia law, Birmingham is no go area for white, Obama was created in a lab in China? Someone asked me to provide evidence of LEGIT RAPE law to be introduced in America, I did and guess what his reply was " what's wrong with Akin". You may ask why I come here and talk to these people. I enjoy pissing them off. If they dont get pissed off I push them more till they lose it. I f you say Shakespeare, some...
Hey goldminger, do you feel all pleased with yourself now? Do you have that warm feeling that only you know about? Warm and wet trickling down your legs? Feels good, doesn't it?
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goldfinger
Feb 5, 2017 7:37am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} ? @jen101, Really. This isnt a medical self-help forum. Im sorry you appear have such personal familiarity with this problem. Incontinence can be a problem for women of your age, and we all sympathize. But I hardly think FF is the place to share your experiences. Still less project them on others. If it continues to be a problem for you..you can find help here. http://www.health.com/health/gallery...457139,00.html
Man you make me laugh. please stop or I will end up with 6 pack he he he he
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Stu Effex
Feb 6, 2017 7:47am
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Quoting smikester
{quote} You don't believe that do you? How many muslims do you know?
Of course I believe it and know enough to know that they have a public face especially for naive individuals like you that soak up all the peace and harmony crap. Just look at the mayor of London and analyse his former associations. They are specialists at currying favour of the gullible. Please tell me why this supposed moderate muslim majority can't control the few so called radicals ? Because when all is said and done they will always lean towards Islam regardless of how it manifests. This may help you understand some things a little better.http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/hell-and-hate.aspx
This is nothing new, history is repeating and the reasons remain the same.
What is silly is to wholeheartedly form an unquestionable defence and not explore the possibility that you may be wrong and perhaps owe it to future generations to have a re-think now. I know you understand numbers and what I have presented is very clear, there will be a tipping point. Only time will tell if I am correct about the remainder of my opinions. I don't care for you or myself my thoughts are for future generations. I am leaving now regardless. I have had my say, don't see the need for a protracted argument here. Best wishes for your family's future.
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 11:15am
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Quoting verv
{quote} What experience do you have cliff? It doesn't seem as if you have much. It seems you have no knowledge of the terrorists you claim to know so much about. Because if you did you would have known that the vast majority lived within the U.K. You would also know the ROI and U.K.coopoerated enormously in intelligence sharing, in extradition, in border security. But you don't seem to know any of this. Yes Dev % are no doubt off a little, but he is in the correct ball park, but you aren't even close to the ball park lol. The video points to the...
Im sure your a nice guy verv.
Im sure you are a knowledgeable person.
But with respect to all that you have no idea of how republican insurgency is or has been organised.
I can say no more.
Read this again .. and go figure??
A terrorist is defined under section 40 of the Terrorism Act 2000 as any person who:
• Is a member of a proscribed terrorist organisation or incites support for such an organisation;
• Is involved with fundraising or money laundering for terrorism;
• Participates in or arranges weapons training;
• Directs a terrorist organisation;
• Possesses any article or collects any information for use in a terrorist act;
• Or incites terrorism overseas.
The definition also includes any person who is, or has been concerned in the commission, preparation
or instigation of an act of terrorism.
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 1:45pm
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Quoting gat
{quote} Ireland is a problem solved unless you are having terrorist attacks not covered by the news here. To have remaining animosities is normal after centuries of abuse. Same as it should be expected that blacks here still have animosity. That was well on the path to dissipating until BHO stoked the fires. Same page? Sort of. You apparently are outraged but not enough to put concern for the citizens of a nation above that for immigrants, legal or illegal. What has created all of this is two major causes. One the way the Brits have treated peoples...
Honestly mate.. On the Ireland thing.. Im NOT being condecending but DONT get involved here.
You have NO IDEA of the dangers, instability and complexity of whats involved here. REALLY.. PLEASE. NOT HERE.

As to the rest.. you know we have much more in common than we disagree on..
Youve chosen to pick points of difference or what you see as difference.. but maybe thats what Forums are about.. differences.? You support Mr Trump for very good reasons. I may differ but Im not an American so thats your right.
Why not start by finding how much there is in common and the the differences can be worked on?
Rather than kicking off with what you THINK are differences.. but may be just how were both putting our points of view?
You dig in with yours? I dig in with mine?
Waste of fkucing time. Yours AND mine..
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Aussi
Jan 30, 2017 12:04am
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Quoting Mingary
I am shocked.
No Trump supporters ranting and raving about all this ?
Come on, please explain to us this genius strategy from your Dear Leader.
its easy get rid of the dead wood and let the forest grow
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Davit
Jan 30, 2017 11:07am
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Quoting cliffedwards
7 countries have been targeted by the Trump Ban.
None of which were involved in 9/11.. and whos citizens have had little or no aprticipation in terror attacks since 2001.
None of which Trump business enterprises have any investment. (4)

Why no ban on Saudia Arabia/Pakistan/Egypt/Gulf States?
Everyone with the faintest familiarity with the subject knows that this is the reality.
Its is factions in these countries that are financing the terrorists

Of about 400 individuals charged with or credibly involved in jihad-inspired activity in the...
You must be living in a bubble....
Please google Syria Iraq Muslim terrorism to get a clue specially so called "rebels"
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Davit
Jan 30, 2017 11:12am
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Funny how liberal left feminists embrace Islam in fact one of the idiots actually called Muslim prayer in Women's march rally totally oblivious of Muslim suppression of women,child marriages,genital mutilations,sub human treatment of even suspicion of adulatory and often raped without any punishment and list goes on and on and these morons go to marches and promote this from their comfy western homes.
Amazing world we live in where there is little logic left.Perhaps these idiots should march protecting women from Islam!!!
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Davit
Jan 30, 2017 11:47am
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Quoting JaleesHacker
America started a war against so called extremisms in Middle east and other Muslim countries now USA got an extremist/racist president themselves. I really feel bad for liberal and innocent Americans....
You must be delusional.Can you demonstrate how Trump is racist.By the way Islam is not a race! On Immigration? Yes we want to have illegal immigration to stop! Is that racism? Tell me idiot how is Trump a racist!We literally have thousands of educated people waiting legally to immigrate to US but we get overrun by illegals crossing the border and that must be stopped! You can't have a country without borders.
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Davit
Jan 30, 2017 12:06pm
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Quoting goldfinger
The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.
Albert Einstein

Lindsay Lohan has converted to Islam. Try oppressing her, she will kick your bankrupt brain into shape.
You are not even worthy of response! Idiocy what you posted is self evident.
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iamsovereign
Jan 30, 2017 12:33pm
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If there was a true, truthful media, president ELECT Trump would be a American hero.

But we don't - we have fake news, and week minded people only hear what they have been propagandized with, and want to hear. The most ironic thing about this is, Most of you anti Trump people are well meaning but completely misinformed. But as they say - good intensions is a road paved to hell.....
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iamsovereign
Jan 30, 2017 1:10pm — Edited
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Quoting DonFF
We have seen a similar movie before called BushII its amazing that anyone else would be racing to the bottom to get ahead of BushII in snatching a recession from a strong economy and dragging the world back into the ditch.

Just ask the people who lost their homes and jobs if Bush was a hero. As if the ditch dug by bush wasnt deep enough. The current leader is walking blind into an even bigger ditch Just mark my words!

Trump intends to do this by:

1)Giving more tax cuts to the rich as bush did
2)Remove the commonsense regulations that ensured...

All you have done is prove my point---- thanks by the way!!!

Bush = bad. Obama = bad. I don't support bought off politicians and I don't fall into the paradigm of progressive or conservative --- this is the media bull that I wrote about.... we have someone that is real in office now--- and that is why the main stream media and Powers to be-- are sh1tting there pants..... You must look deeper and you will see, not just look.

we, America is under a false monetary system --- the Fed is not federal --- so yes we may be facing another depression and the media will make you week minds think it is Trumps fault........ the main stream media has your mind, Ha Ha Haaa

America will have to face the pain of this False Fed (private corp) system sooner or later.... you think that Obama saved us from the so call 2008 depression --- just more deception and it will only be worse from the past policies.

I bet you like to be spoon fed on how to trade forex----- Just like the media spoon feeds your week mind. Look deeper than what they feed you.
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Davit
Jan 30, 2017 5:29pm
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Quoting Pip-Miner
These women should try to live in these countries before marching .
Charming characters who made it into Europe, really know how to treat women .
http://youtu.be/_qOdsKlPF4A
Hi PM
Lots of information is out there and takes very little time to find out the truth.
Most liberal lefties choose to gloss over facts that does not fit their narrative of multiculturalism.
An Open Letter to Muslim Feminist Linda Sarsour
Let's talk about ISIS rape victims.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/259811/open-letter-muslim-feminist-linda-sarsour-danusha-v-goska
above just one of thousands.
regards
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Davit
Jan 30, 2017 6:36pm
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Quoting EventHorizon
I am with you. It is FF policy that no political statements are allowed. They have been censoring such posts. They have the right to kick anyone off the forum for violating the rules. They may start to do that. Stick to trading. Go to twitter to abuse each other.
When FF posts an immigration news which has nothing to do with trading then it is expected that conflicting views will be posted.If they want sanitized PC views then why even bother posting the news.
Lets be tolerable to other views and saying this as a conservative
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Aussi
Feb 2, 2017 12:53am
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turdbull being a elitest shinyhead , thought he could pull the wool over peoples eyes mate and got caught badly he should resign but he wants people to think hes a strong pm but we all know in Australia he a weak and badly wants to be liked


Quoting Mingary
{quote} {quote} {quote} Can't have a reasonable debate, I am just laughing too hard (; You all card carrying members of the Trump Offensive Front just can't seem to understand how I find you and your Glorious Leader (yes, if you are Australian just look what happened to your PM, absolutely rip roaring belly slapping fun) so hilariously funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4
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jmn5611
Feb 2, 2017 6:24pm
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} So the uneducated are simply wrong about the danger of radicals from the Islamic world, that the $113bn per year spent on illegal immigrants is not real and Congress is wrong when it says that the current vetting system is a failure?
Yes, to all three. That is what happens when one gets their news from facebook.

Quoting Ill-b-back
I'm still curious why it is ok for Obama not to be "concerned" about Saudi Arabia et al. but when Trump shows no concern over them by not issuing a 90 travel ban while they get better vetting systems in place, it's obviously because of his conflict of interests. As far as I am aware, Obamas' administration didn't have any significant "personal" conflicts of interest with Saudi Arabia etc. So, despite the Sept 11 terrorist attacks, what WERE his reasons for not being concerned with them? We delve a little into this issue and perhaps...
Trump is unconcerned for the same reason Obama was. Whether you are a rich individual or a rich country, the system of justice works the same. It SA is richer than any of the other countries on the list.
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jmn5611
Feb 3, 2017 1:31am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} This report estimates the annual costs of illegal immigration at the federal, state and local level to be about $113 billion; nearly $29 billion at the federal level and $84 billion at the state and local level. The study also estimates tax collections from illegal alien workers, both those in the above-ground economy and those in the underground economy. Those receipts do not come close to the level of expenditures and, in any case, are misleading as an offset because over time unemployed and underemployed U.S. workers would replace illegal...
Please google the word "estimate". Reports that estimate things for the xenophobic among us abound on the internet. It is called click bait.

It is amazing that the original immigrants to the Americas are now trying to keep other immigrants out of America is a bit ironic. I am definitely a liberal because I am not a lying hypocrite. Most right wingers seem to forget their history.
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jmn5611
Feb 3, 2017 8:52am
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Quoting SickOfScam
So Devauxt, why don't you answer on this politely question, instead of provoking? {quote}
Don't expect anything other than youtube videos and conspiracy sites. They cannot show where these things are approved because they are not in the book. It's always the same.
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jmn5611
Feb 3, 2017 11:33am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I cannot hep it you are not prepared to read the research Really, this is the very last time I'll cover for your laziness in research https://davidiqbalkarim.wordpress.co...-in-the-quran/
Great post Dev. It goes straight to the point that culture matters. So that is their culture. Fine. You in your arrogance think that your culture should be everyone's culture. That makes you an asshole. It is like homosexuality. I am not gay. So that's that. If other people are gay that is between them and their God. Matthew 7:1 comes to mind here. So stop trying to be God, and let others meet their maker in their own way.
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jmn5611
Feb 3, 2017 11:49am
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Quoting gat
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} So are you suggesting that SA brand of Islam is not extreme?? And you have yet to demonstrate( no one ever has) that ISIS is connected to the tenets of the Quran in any way. {quote} Quite the contrary. All Islam is extreme and always ha been. Watch the video in post 418 for the beginnings of it. Learn the history of how it spread west and east. About unprovoked attacks such as Otranto in 1480. SA is extreme having made its deal with the Wahhabis. But the same as with Assad and every other Muslim nation government the
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...[/quote]

This has been going on since the Crusades. Western culture generally to survive needs an "other". They are a global minority and needs a reason to be separated from nature and the rest of humanity. Nothing new here.
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jmn5611
Feb 3, 2017 6:00pm
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Quoting gat
{quote} That is #451. In your post #455 you contradict yourself saying "in America they are lurching towards a theocracy in spite of the Founders wanted.". So which is it? Lurching toward it or it is prevented? Here is the US for me too. You can look into the details of those polls in my link and tell us where they fail. And I think it should be noted that FF has not censored anyone on this very long topic. Thumbs up.
Lurching does not mean that it will be achieved, but the fight to prevent it will be long and harsh most likely.

Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Answer the fkucing question. Im NOT INTERESTED nor is anyone else in your narrative.. Or in your "debating" techniques.. You are being JUDGED HERE on your answers.. Not by me but by every member and guest who reads this thread. ONLY whether you consider you should be treated on the same blanket basis as an Islamic migrant that because of your place of birth should be regarded as a potentially serious terrorist threat to MY country.
I bet there will be either crickets or a total change of subject.
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jmn5611
Feb 4, 2017 12:03am
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Quoting Ill-b-back
{quote} Both of which we have seen from Cliff when it comes to the tough questions. Whether it be; 1) His double standards with regards to the need for "Balance" in opinions expressed; Or 2) why when (despite 9/11),Obama decides NOT to put Saudi Arabia etc. on his "countries of concern" list nobody raises questions (although the broader economic and important matters of international relations with SA) is the likely reason. But when Trump takes it a step further and issues Obamas' same 7 countries with a temporary travel ban...
Well I am new to this part of the forum. I am usually in the trading forums so I don't know all of the principals or their personalities. But we can't have a robust discussion unless questions get answered can we? SA should have been addressed as soon as we found out that all 19 highjackers were from there. But, you know......money talks, especially oil money.
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jmn5611
Feb 6, 2017 8:17am
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Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I think Dev's "TYPE" comes about by sheer frustration. In the UK this has been a slow burner and the pro immigration have been able to use the "RACE" card and other such nonsense as their primary weapon to the extent of locking people up who raise legitimate issue with the levels and type of immigration we have welcomed without consultation or question. The traders here will surely understand the numbers and they don't stack up whichever way they are presented and there have been some pretty creative ways of doing so....
That was good post Stu. The White race is imperiled, and over time will be over run. I cannot argue the logic in your position. Whether or not the logic is correct remains to be seen. However, that is not a chance we can take a people, is that your position?

Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Of course I believe it and know enough to know that they have a public face especially for naive individuals like you that soak up all the peace and harmony crap. Just look at the mayor of London and analyse his former associations. They are specialists at currying favour of the gullible. Please tell me why this supposed moderate muslim majority can't control the few so called radicals ? Because when all is said and done they will always lean towards Islam regardless of how it manifests. This may help you understand some things a little...
It is similar to the trojan horse then? They come bringing roses, who stems are filled with thorns?

Quoting Ross88
{quote} am not agree with the ban or disagreeing with it am saying that was a poor analogy and give the reasons why also stop bring up Hitler it makes you uninformed
Not really. Hitler was duly elected. He also spelled out in great detail what he thought the problem was and what he would do about it. Hitler was a man of his word. There is no denying that.
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Mingary
Jan 29, 2017 11:34pm
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Quoting Earleone
Risk off mode = Strength to USD.

Yeah what a show. What is next? Muslim badges? http://newsexaminer.net/politics/don...muslim-badges/
Please tell me this is a hoax.
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Ill-b-back
Jan 29, 2017 11:57pm
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Quoting Earleone
Risk off mode = Strength to USD.

Yeah what a show. What is next? Muslim badges? http://newsexaminer.net/politics/don...muslim-badges/
I would be interested in seeing a video of Trump saying this.

I'm quite sure it would be highly unconstitutional
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Ill-b-back
Jan 30, 2017 12:26am
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Quoting Earleone
Risk off mode = Strength to USD.

Yeah what a show. What is next? Muslim badges? http://newsexaminer.net/politics/don...muslim-badges/
More Golden showers bollocks, the article headline is a piece of trash.

Trump did not suggest badges or even a database, that was the "suggestive" efforts of a reporter.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/20/opinions/obeidallah-trump-anti-muslim/

But as usual, the critical mass swallow the news headlines hook, line and sinker

No surprises there
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Mingary
Jan 30, 2017 12:41am
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Quoting Ill-b-back
More Golden showers bollocks, the article headline is a piece of trash.

Trump did not suggest badges or even a database, that was the "suggestive" efforts of a reporter.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/20/op...p-anti-muslim/

But as usual, the critical mass swallow the news headlines hook, line and sinker

No surprises there
Yes ... "it's only a database" (;

"Just so it's clear, Trump did not suggest that Muslim-Americans should be required to wear a symbol that would visibly identify them as Muslims, such as a gold crescent. (On the other hand, he did not rule it out.) "

In addition to their many delusions, the Trumpets also have a bad case of "boiling frog syndrome."
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Mingary
Jan 30, 2017 1:29am
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Quoting Ill-b-back
One only needs to take a look a Mingarys' previous posts regarding the perceived threat of the spread of Islam to know HIS true position on the matter

Your Glorious Leader will cure the disease and kill the patient.
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Ill-b-back
Jan 30, 2017 2:08am
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Being Australian, he is not MY leader and I certainly don't think he is Glorious, and it seems neither does anyone else.
In fact, the ONLY person on these forums I see refering to Trump as "Glorious"

is Mingary...

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Ill-b-back
Jan 30, 2017 2:29am
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Quoting SickOfScam
You forgot the trumpets which constantly "explain" to us what their "Golden Daddy" actually wanted to say ...
With ridiculous "news" headlines such as that in the linked article, it's clear what he wants to say is simply twisted by the media anyway.

No?
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Ill-b-back
Jan 30, 2017 2:31am
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Quoting Devauxt
Or, Someone has had the gonads to stand up and say, we know where most of the terrorists, hate preachers and extremists are emanating from, let's do some proper checks before we invite them into our country
Oh no that would be racist, extreme, fascism...

Lol....

European terrorist attacks are a classic example of the results of a free for all policy...
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Ill-b-back
Jan 30, 2017 3:13am
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Quoting SickOfScam
Ill-be-back don't forget that "Golden Daddy" has hundreds of rats in"Tower" and they constantly bombard forums and take care that we all are "good" informed
No, it's clearly the media rats that bombard these forums with spectacular headlines they obviously pull from their arses that ensure we are all "well" informed....
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Ill-b-back
Jan 30, 2017 4:44am
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Quoting Mingary
It's way too much to ask from the trump enthusiasts to be Anti-Islamism and Anti-Bullshit at the same time.
On the contrary, it's not too much to ask at all.
In fact, a number of us have pointed out, posted and commented on YOUR version of extreme anti Islam "bullshit" measures right here on this forum.
I'll have to take you off ignore, the material is just too much fun.
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Mingary
Jan 30, 2017 7:07am
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Quoting Ill-b-back
On the contrary, it's not too much to ask at all.
In fact, a number of us have pointed out, posted and commented on YOUR version of extreme anti Islam "bullshit" measures right here on this forum.
I'll have to take you off ignore, the material is just too much fun.
"Number of us"?
Is this some sort of conspiracy ?
Names please ...
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Ill-b-back
Jan 30, 2017 9:04am
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Quoting Mingary
"Number of us"?
Is this some sort of conspiracy ?
Names please ...
You can read the names for yourself, they are listed above.

Ok here, I will help you out.

Ill-b-back , Verv, Calculus, Devauxt

Not sure why I had to point them out when it's all so clear above, but there you go.
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Pip-Miner
Jan 30, 2017 9:10am
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Quoting cliffedwards
Over a MILLION in just a weekend?
At that rate ..be 2+ million by end of week.

Maybe we should have a referendum?

LoL
Smart.. and you want a good trade deal with USA? At this rate you will be put on the banned list and locked out of both EU and American markets. He has the nuke codes now as well. I wouldn't get him angry his psycho.
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Ross88
Jan 30, 2017 11:18am
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Quoting Davit
Funny how liberal left feminists embrace Islam in fact one of the idiots actually called Muslim prayer in Women's march rally totally oblivious of Muslim suppression of women,child marriages,genital mutilations,sub human treatment of even suspicion of adulatory and often raped without any punishment and list goes on and on and these morons go to marches and promote this from their comfy western homes.
Amazing world we live in where there is little logic left.Perhaps these idiots should march protecting women from Islam!!!
I think we have reached a turning point in the West were the useful idiots/extremely loud minority are being called out on their nonsense and the main stream media have been seen for what they are which is basically liars.
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Ross88
Jan 30, 2017 11:35am
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Quoting DonFF
The world has always been run on deception.

The whole systems starting with the education system is based on deception!

Clearly deceived people can only design a system of deceptions.
this make's no sense am sorry donFF but what are you talking about???
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Ross88
Jan 30, 2017 11:41am
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Quoting Davit
Wrong there are objective truths called facts!
maybe their is some truth in this last week on here some guy was taking rubbish so I gave he a link in a friendly way that prove he was wrong instead of reading the link which would take less than 2 minutes he refused just to deliberately keep his head in the sand
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Ross88
Jan 30, 2017 11:50am
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Quoting DonFF
I dont expect you to make sense of it.

We are on two different page here.

I am dealing in universal laws while your scope is limited to what you have been taught
Q,I dont expect you to make sense of it.
than why say it I don't tell me dog about forex for the reason that he would not understand me

Q,We are on two different page here.
yes am based in reality that has facts you are based in a non reality were (Your own truth belongs to you and no one else)

Q,I am dealing in universal laws while your scope is limited to what you have been taught
I have seen you deliberately ignore facts that contradict your original conclusion tell me how dose it feel to be dealing in universal laws it must be strong stuff just don't get caught
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Pip-Miner
Jan 30, 2017 2:26pm
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Quoting Davit
Funny how liberal left feminists embrace Islam in fact one of the idiots actually called Muslim prayer in Women's march rally totally oblivious of Muslim suppression of women,child marriages,genital mutilations,sub human treatment of even suspicion of adulatory and often raped without any punishment and list goes on and on and these morons go to marches and promote this from their comfy western homes.
Amazing world we live in where there is little logic left.Perhaps these idiots should march protecting women from Islam!!!
These women should try to live in these countries before marching .
Charming characters who made it into Europe, really know how to treat women .
http://youtu.be/_qOdsKlPF4A
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Ill-b-back
Jan 30, 2017 2:43pm
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Quoting DonFF
I dont need a clique to determine what I write here. I take on forum bullies with my own independent arguments until they spill their true intent here and eventually get kicked off
His post was totally illegible, hence my comment.

What point are you trying to make as your interjection is out of left field
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Ill-b-back
Jan 30, 2017 3:09pm
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Quoting DonFF
That my points are my own. I am not writing in support of anyone nor to please anyone.

I simply state my truth.
well that's wonderful, but why are you telling me this?

I'm sure we all like to do the same.

Are you suggesting if my views correspond to the views of others, that they are not mine??
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Ill-b-back
Jan 30, 2017 3:23pm
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Quoting goldfinger
Australia has no proper uni so its obvious aussiland is a breeding ground for dickheads but America has Harvard------------------------------
lol, you're starting to sound like sickofscam and make about as much sense.

Are you one and the same?

Will I now again be singled out for pointing out the obvious.....?
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Mingary
Jan 31, 2017 11:51am
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Quoting cliffedwards
Oh yes @mingery.. lest lance this TOXIC BOIL!
I sure as hell dont agree with all you post mate..
But I respect your opinions.
I respect your depth of thinking that shows you an educated man.
When you are at your most controversial.. and I most disagree, I can still see the philosophical under -pinning to even your most apparently daft posts.
I cannot extend that respect to many others here.
Either when I agree or disagree with their sentiments.

The problem here, as in many aspect of business.. was summed up by Mark Twains advise over 100...
Thanks.
You would think that forex should attract bright individuals who can think for themselves. then you realize this is just "retail" forex. The bar is rather low ...
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Ill-b-back
Jan 31, 2017 1:18pm
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Quoting Mingary
Thanks.
You would think that forex should attract bright individuals who can think for themselves. then you realize this is just "retail" forex. The bar is rather low ...
Yes, and YOUR approach to dealing with the Islamic "disease" as you put it, posted here in FF, fits well below that bar you hypocrite.
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Ill-b-back
Jan 31, 2017 1:20pm
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Quoting cliffedwards
Not one national of any of the banned 7 countries has been responsible for a homeland terrorist attack involving loss of American lives since 2001.

Another Redneck Popularity Policy Scam.
Oh you mean Obamas' 7 seven countries? yeeeaahh, ain't that strange
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Ross88
Jan 31, 2017 4:33pm
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Quoting goldfinger
Native Americans dont want white men to be in their land, why dont all white people leave America? Instead whites celebrate thanks giving which is a celebration of rape and murder on native American.
very strong point your really adding to the conversation
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Ill-b-back
Jan 31, 2017 5:49pm — Edited
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Quoting Sniper2000
The "seven countries" targeted by President Trump's 27 January 2017 executive order pertaining to immigration were not mentioned by name and instead originated with "countr[ies] or area[s] of concern" first identified in the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 (expanded to all seven countries "of concern" in February 2016). source Fact Check
refreshing to read some facts on the matter instead of the presumptuous rhetoric which is also prevalent in the mainsteam media headlines (at least we know where they get their views from lol).
Reminds me of the "America First" headline being touted as a foundation for yet more presumptuous rehetoric that UK will get screwed by their US trade deal.
Of course, they won't use Trumps comment in its' entirety but will prefer to omit certain other important aspects of his statement.
He is on record as saying;

"I will be tough but I will be fair. I will put America First just as I would expect other countries to put their interests first".

This represents nothing more than the reality faced by any 2 parties when they come together to negotiate. But in classic convenient style, some wish to quote his campaign slogan(in it's most simplistic form) and apply it as a blanket argument to promote their own view.

They also conveniently ignore context. A situation where America is clearly getting screwed by what Trump calls shitty deals with China and mexico.

When we consider his "America First" policy in its' more complete form above, rather than the edited version conveniently promoted CNN style, and couple this with the multi billion dollar trade deficit hole America is in, its' not hard to imagine all Trump wants to do is balance the ledger. Help America straighten up again after being bent over the trade deficit barrel and taking it up the clacker for long enough.

And there is certainly nothing in what he has said (again when viewed in its' unedited form) that suggests new trading partners such as the UK are going to have to bend over and take one courtesy of the 1 way Trade Trump Train fantasy.....

It seems to me, some are adopting the simplistic, convenient and factually deficient tactics of "The Mob" they so publicly abhor....
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Ill-b-back
Feb 1, 2017 4:06am
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Quoting Not-KPMG
Guys,
One question.
Think deep.......

What's the REAL purpose of this ban??? Excluding Saudi Arabia...

Why?? What's Trump's agenda????
You really need to ask Obama.
It's the 7 countries he listed as "countries of concern" under the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 that Trump focused on for his temporary travel ban. In addition, the 7 countries were not named by Trump but are on the list because of Obamas' policy with Department of Homeland Security focusing on these "countries of concern" about 2 years before Trump came into office.

But let's not let any details get in the way of a nice convenient story eh...
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Ill-b-back
Feb 1, 2017 4:59am
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Quoting cliffedwards
What Obama did was not a ban.


Fact-Check:
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/tru...cy-comparison/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...ading-45160554
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ration-restri/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...bama/97247418/
http://news.sky.com/story/donald-tru...re-up-10749909
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...rump/97269126/

But...
Yes, you have already pointed that out previously and I have already replied.

But let's go over it just 1 more time shall we.
I have never said Obama listed a travel ban.

The 7 countries were listed as "Countries of concern" under the Obama administration within the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015.
It is the countries on Obamas' "Countries of Concern" list that Trump has targeted for his temporary travel ban.

These are the facts.

The presumptions being made and promoted in here are that Trump didn't target other more wealthy Muslim countries (such as those involved in September 11) because he has business interests in those wealthier countries.

He has business interests in many wealthier countries.
He Does NOT have business interests in the 7 listed countries because, well, what private entrepreneur would??

Hence my post " you really need to ask Obama".
Why?
Why didn't Obama list these other wealthier countries involved in the Sept 11 attacks etc within his "Countries of concern" of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015.
Did he have a conflict of interest also?

Or is there something else in play here?

Something just a little more complex than your simplistic/convenient argument
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Ill-b-back
Feb 1, 2017 5:12am — Edited
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Quoting cliffedwards
Look mate I have the facts.
Ive checked the facts.
Ive published my sources.
Dont need your ramblings.
/EndOF
lol, wow, what a lame way to end the discussion Cliff.
You are a such a gutless coward.
My ramblings?? lol...
You're a clown...

Your fact checks address the issue of comparing Trumps policy to Obamas.
I'm clearly not talking about how similar the 2 are. I am addressing the shallow presumptions made about why the 7 countries are on the travel ban list and why other countries are not.
But you "neglected" to address any of my points made on this issue.
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Mingary
Feb 1, 2017 6:25am — Edited
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Quoting Ill-b-back
Yes, and YOUR approach to dealing with the Islamic "disease" as you put it, posted here in FF, fits well below that bar you hypocrite.
It's a disease ?
Aren't all religions a disease of the mind?

I will write in "Trumpish" so even you will understand. You can pretend you are being addressed by Your Glorious Leader.

"
(Cult of) Islamism, bad
Cult of Trump, bad
"

The Great Leader has spoken.
Now go out in the street and kick some liberals ass. (:
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Mingary
Feb 1, 2017 6:46am
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Quoting Devauxt
It is a shame that you equate Trump followers with the followers of Islam.

Those who voted for Trump are proud of their country and the ideals and laws on which the the country is based, whereas the other is an authoritarian sect where large numbers of its followers believe in murder, rape, religious intolerance, hate preaching, child marriages, marriage between close relations, FGM, forced marriages, male female segregation, gay hatred, subjugation of women.

I can't see the similarity myself. Maybe you could others in here understand
I choose neither and I reject both.
For the "true trump believer" such as yourself, to be against Trump is to be pro-islam.
In that respect, they are similar. The difference is only some order of magnitude.. but the mind of the "true believer of all creed" only needs to be pushed just a little to sink into total aberration.
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Ill-b-back
Feb 1, 2017 7:20am
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Quoting Mingary
It's a disease ?
Aren't all religions a disease of the mind?

I will write in "Trumpish" so even you will understand. You can pretend you are being addressed by Your Glorious Leader.

"
(Cult of) Islamism, bad
Cult of Trump, bad
"

The Great Leader has spoken.
Now go out in the street and kick some liberals ass. (:
I'll mention it once more for you as you seem a little slow on the uptake.
I am Australian, he is not my leader.

I've never heard of "cult of Trump" before. Another one of your "inventions".

I call into question your published approach to dealing with the spread of Islam, and this is your response?

You're embarrassing yourself.
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Ross88
Feb 1, 2017 8:16am
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Quoting verv
No way you can be serious with that comment.
here's a link (http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=635182#post9491925) post39

on post39 ciff said that he just says thing's to wind people up so basically his a toll also on me post38 you can follow that back and you will see him being intellectually dishonest and refusing to look at new information whilst being dishonest about the information his basically a men child that's how childish his behaviour is
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Ross88
Feb 1, 2017 8:28am
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Quoting verv
Somewhat of a relief to know he wasn't accidentially being stupid, just deliberately so. At least I know now there are times he isn't being serious and is being deliberately provocative - i.e. Trolling

Trolling though is against forum rules. In fact all politics talk is against forum rules... FF should just ban the lot of us and save itself the trouble.
FF like's the trouble it's click bait but yes Cilff is just a toll and not even a funny one but it's nice to see any credibility he had vanish over the last year of so and that more people are realising his just a toll
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Mingary
Feb 1, 2017 9:22am
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Quoting Ill-b-back
I'll mention it once more for you as you seem a little slow on the uptake.
I am Australian, he is not my leader.

I've never heard of "cult of Trump" before. Another one of your "inventions".

I call into question your published approach to dealing with the spread of Islam, and this is your response?

You're embarrassing yourself.
Another deaf and mute debate...
It's really funny that the survivalists have stopped stocking up their survival bunker now that their fearless leader has been elected.
The clouds of unreason are becoming darker and larger
Your Trumpet is the lighting rod.
The world is preparing for war.
Humans never learn.
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Mingary
Feb 1, 2017 11:51am
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Quoting Devauxt
All you seem to do is shoot your mouth of with nothing but bovine faeces. You can't and never seem to be able to back anything up. It appears that you are factually illiterate
No need to.
Seeing the "Alex Jones" / Trump idiots rant and pontificate is a great source of entertainment.
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Ill-b-back
Feb 1, 2017 1:15pm
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Quoting Mingary
Another deaf and mute debate...
It's really funny that the survivalists have stopped stocking up their survival bunker now that their fearless leader has been elected.
The clouds of unreason are becoming darker and larger
Your Trumpet is the lighting rod.
The world is preparing for war.
Humans never learn.
You are absolutely right about this becoming another deaf and mute debate.
As has been pointed out by myself (and now others), your inability to stay on the specific topic raised or substantiate virtually ANYTHING you say with facts and your ability to constantly rely on nothing more than sensationalised headlines and metaphors of your own design, very quickly kills off any chance of reasonable debate.
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Ross88
Feb 1, 2017 2:42pm
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Quoting goldfinger
what will you lot do when DT passes legit rape law, you mothers, daughters and sisters get raped in the name of legit rape?

very fair and valid point of view thanks for adding to the discussion your the men
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Mingary
Feb 2, 2017 12:19am
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Quoting Ill-b-back
{quote} You are absolutely right about this becoming another deaf and mute debate. As has been pointed out by myself (and now others), your inability to stay on the specific topic raised or substantiate virtually ANYTHING you say with facts and your ability to constantly rely on nothing more than sensationalised headlines and metaphors of your own design, very quickly kills off any chance of reasonable debate.
Quoting Borg
{quote} Rant goes here ...
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I think it has more to do with your inability to research and for a persuasive argument relating to anything. Your mouth might be smart, your brain cell certainly is not.
Can't have a reasonable debate, I am just laughing too hard (;
You all card carrying members of the Trump Offensive Front just can't seem to understand how I find you and your Glorious Leader (yes, if you are Australian just look what happened to your PM, absolutely rip roaring belly slapping fun) so hilariously funny.

Inserted Video
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Mingary
Feb 2, 2017 12:37am — Edited
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Quoting Ill-b-back
{quote} I'm quite sure I dislike our PM as much as Trump does. but once again, your post is full of nothing but your own hot air of sensationalism, typically devoid of any specific relevant points worthy of debate. keep it coming, with every fact deficient, irrelevant post you make, you confirm the accuracy of your profile page status; "I should be on your ignore list"
This is your assignment, watch the monty python clip. Guess which character you (and the Trumpidoohs) represent (;
Come back to me with your answer so we can have a "reasonable debate" about it.
Here, I'll start. My character is represented by the guy wearing the hat... your turn.
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Ill-b-back
Feb 2, 2017 12:52am
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Quoting Mingary
{quote} This is your assignment, watch the monty python clip. Guess which character you represent (; Come back to me with your answer so we can have a "reasonable debate" about it. Here, I'll start. My character is represented by the guy wearing the hat... your turn.
I've never been inclined to entertain your childish desires Mingary.
I'm not going to start now.
Try to enjoy your day...
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Mingary
Feb 2, 2017 3:49am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} You might want others to believe that, but as you have proven in this thread and all others, you have a smart mouth but are devoid of any debating skills

You can be certain that some event(s) in the near future will lead me into a debate (;
So far they have just been hilariously entertaining...
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Mingary
Feb 2, 2017 3:50am
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Quoting Calculus
{quote} Mingary, I can guarantee that Trump supporters are laughing way more than all the liberal snowflakes. What he's doing, how he's trolling everyone, his blunt comments, lack of political correctness etc. It's hilarious to watch the historical outbursts. His immigration ban made a grown man (Chuck 'Schmuck' Schumer) weep and cry like a pussy (and this jackass is supposed to be a 'leader'). I've been laughing and smiling so much over the last few months that if I was clinically depressed I'd be cured.
Good, we are all laughing.
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Mingary
Feb 2, 2017 10:04am
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Quoting goldfinger
{quote} Problem with you my friend you are pissing off too many foxwatching batty boys
The batty boys like fox news but they love Alex Jone's Info Wars (;
Apparently, this is their only source of "news".
It's the not-so-unofficial Trump news channel
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Ill-b-back
Feb 2, 2017 4:56pm
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} This might help understand the challenges with the current system Trey Gowdy / Jason Chaffetz Prove Why Travel Ban Is Needed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KWgZ323Kko
ha ha, I love it at 8.55 where she talks about a KY Visa lol...
There is laughter in the background,

Then she continues; "I just lost my train of thought"

ha ha...
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Ill-b-back
Feb 2, 2017 6:22pm
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I'm still curious why it is ok for Obama not to be "concerned" about Saudi Arabia et al. but when Trump shows no concern over them by not issuing a 90 travel ban while they get better vetting systems in place, it's obviously because of his conflict of interests.

As far as I am aware, Obamas' administration didn't have any significant "personal" conflicts of interest with Saudi Arabia etc. So, despite the Sept 11 terrorist attacks, what WERE his reasons for not being concerned with them?

We delve a little into this issue and perhaps we can broaden our perspective on why Trump is not concerned with them.

or

We can simply run with the shallow, 1 dimensional presumption it's because of his financial conflict of interest...

lol...
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Ill-b-back
Feb 2, 2017 7:04pm
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Trump is unconcerned for the same reason Obama was. Whether you are a rich individual or a rich country, the system of justice works the same. It SA is richer than any of the other countries on the list.
Progress on the issue.
Thx
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Ill-b-back
Feb 3, 2017 1:25am
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Quoting Pip-Miner
Trump , U.S. Immigration policy is soft and only catching up to Australia. They are locked up in a concentration camp on arrival . I'm shocked Trump is accepting them , his such a nice guy .
Lol, very good point
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Ill-b-back
Feb 3, 2017 3:50am
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Quoting goldfinger
In Australia murdering a non white is not a crime.
I realise you probably just posted this to get a reaction, but fcuk you're stupid.
I understand you're only trying to emulate your role model Mingary, but I think even you can do much better.
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smikester
Feb 3, 2017 4:37am
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Quoting verv
{quote} How many of his posts are race hate? Would be interesting if you could point out which ones are considered race hate, and get some numbers together.
No. It would be interesting if you would do that.
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smikester
Feb 3, 2017 4:46am
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Quoting verv
{quote} That's not how it works. Why would I attempt to prove a claim that I never made? You made that claim, and I'm asking you to back that claim up. It is about your credibility, it is about having the appropriate evidence to form that opinion, do you have any of either?
I know your caper.
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smikester
Feb 3, 2017 4:52am
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Quoting SickOfScam
smikester, cliff and the others if you continue to communicate with him you'll have all the rabbits on your neck soon(Jen, verv,Exodus... Well, not all, some "special" we have already shot ....
LOL!
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Ross88
Feb 3, 2017 5:11am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} What is in common here are a bunch of POLITICAL SPAMMERS with little or no interest in Forex, using these forums to broadcast divisive and distracting socio political agendas. THATS THE ISSUE.

just last week you said that you come on here to wind people up you also come on here to say non stop pro EU things you are not a FF moral authority and I have never seen you posted about trading
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Pip-Miner
Feb 3, 2017 5:34am
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Quoting goldfinger
In Australia murdering a non white is not a crime.
Maybe when first settlers came here, thrown down cliffs to save bullets . You make a good recruit for One Nation , Pauline would love you. Infact , Trump could use Pauline, some similar views.
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Ross88
Feb 3, 2017 6:40am
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Quoting goldfinger
when you mate Akin legit rapes you up your batty we will give you high five with a shit lump on your head.
Sargon of Akkad I wouldn't even rape you

why are you so obsessed with rape LOL???
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Ill-b-back
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} {quote} I bet there will be either crickets or a total change of subject.
Both of which we have seen from Cliff when it comes to the tough questions.
Whether it be;
1) His double standards with regards to the need for "Balance" in opinions expressed;
Or
2) why when (despite 9/11),Obama decides NOT to put Saudi Arabia etc. on his "countries of concern" list nobody raises questions (although the broader economic and important matters of international relations with SA) is the likely reason. But when Trump takes it a step further and issues Obamas' same 7 countries with a temporary travel ban but DOESN'T slug SA with one, it's assumed by Cliff and others it's due to TRUMPS OWN PERSONAL conflicts of interest.

Crickets and Change of subject was the response.

To be fair, we DID have a discussion re SA, but Cliff "decided" to focus on the fact Obama didn't issue travel bans, rather than the REAL issue I was raising. ie. subject "avoided", before killing off the discussion in his usual abrupt "ENDOF" fashion.

And here he is DEMANDING Dev answers the question??

lol....
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Ill-b-back
Feb 4, 2017 2:14pm
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Quoting goldfinger
(((You may ask why I come here and talk to these people. I enjoy pissing them off. If they dont get pissed off I push them more till they lose it)))
So you're a troll then?

I truly cannot imagine anyone getting pissed off with you. Whenever I read you're often unintelligible posts, I'm usually just shaking my head wondering how you got out of bed in the morning.

Whenever I reply to your posts, I'm always doing it with a little smile...
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smikester
Feb 6, 2017 2:48am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I have yet to see you provide any analysis or research in support of you assertions. I have though, seen plenty of evidence of you shooting your mouth off with no supporting material at all. I'll leave it to the audience to judge for themselves
What assertions?
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Ill-b-back
Feb 6, 2017 5:18am
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With the US bombing 6 out of the 7 countries on the list, I think it has more to do with Americas' concern over "blowback".

Quite a convenient term to use I think.
After all, if they called it "retaliation", that would directly implicate the US as the aggressive "intervenors".

Love those 2 sanitary terms, "blowback" and "intervenor".

Blowback: "a term originating from within the (American) Intelligence community, denoting the unintended consequences, the unwanted (side-)effects or suffered repercussions of a covert operation that fall back on those responsible for the aforementioned operations".
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Ill-b-back
Feb 6, 2017 5:34am
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Quoting SickOfScam
{quote} Hey Devauxt, do you feel all pleased with yourself now? Do you have that warm feeling that only you know about? Warm and wet trickling down your legs? Feels good, doesn't it?
Fkuc, what is it with obscene retards in this thread?

You all make me look smart..
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smikester
Feb 6, 2017 5:35am
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Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I think Dev's "TYPE" comes about by sheer frustration. In the UK this has been a slow burner and the pro immigration have been able to use the "RACE" card and other such nonsense as their primary weapon to the extent of locking people up who raise legitimate issue with the levels and type of immigration we have welcomed without consultation or question. The traders here will surely understand the numbers and they don't stack up whichever way they are presented and there have been some pretty creative ways of doing so....
There are a lot of points there Stu. Let me just say this. You are wasting your time addressing these points with me, because our immigration policy or the family habits of British Muslims is not what I am questioning. Even though I find your attitude offensive I am questioning the sense of a blanket travel ban on (some) countries with predominantly Muslim populations which Trump has tried to enforce. That's what the thread is about.

You said: "Please don't respond with claims of racism, xenophobia it really has been flogged to death."
Why? You are clearly scared of something. It's not also Catholics is it? They don't (aren't supposed to) use birth control either. They are also a huge proportion of UK citizens. In the spirit of your post and ridiculous requests, please don't bother answering this post at all.
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smikester
Feb 6, 2017 5:38am
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Quoting jen101
{quote} Hey goldminger, do you feel all pleased with yourself now? Do you have that warm feeling that only you know about? Warm and wet trickling down your legs? Feels good, doesn't it?
Originally posted by jen101 I believe. Pretty disgusting.
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Ross88
Feb 6, 2017 5:45am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Address your accusations on the thread to which you refer. You will receive a comprehensive rebuttal. Right here. Right Now.. Its your failure to answer thats the issue.. Answer the question. "Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk. Becasue of the very real threat of Irish Terrorism to MY country? Because they are Irish born? Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?." YES or NO.
NO is the answer

Irish folk as you put it do not support the IRA in the some percentage that the Islamic world supports or sympathisers with Jihad we all know a quick google search will prove this but still a good attempt at being intellectually dishonest cilff
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Ross88
Feb 6, 2017 5:59am
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Quoting theras2000
{quote} Nice one. Stick with it, it's great to see when racist hypocrites get caught out.
when was he racist and how exactly was he caught out


are you guy's not racist by expecting one Irish guy to defend the whole of Ireland??
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Ross88
Feb 6, 2017 6:09am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Just popped in to answer the question your buddy is unable to? Weve had REDIRECT? - weve had REFERRAL? weve had Personal abuse? And Now we get.. BUDDY SUPPORT? Answering FOR YOU? @Devauxt.. Stop HIDING.. Answer the question... "Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk. Becasue of the very real threat of Irish Terrorism to MY country? Because they are Irish born? Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?." YES or NO.

your a English guy now tell what the UK government is going to do with regards to a space program and no hiding just answer the ques
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Ross88
Feb 6, 2017 6:35am
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Quoting Earleone
{quote} He makes a point out of that we should not blame all for the actions from the few. And Devauxt is very often or even mostly doing that.
it's not a fair line of questioning to expect one men to speak for a entire country and I have never see him do this to someone else and i think it's unfair to do this to anyone even if he said no Irish should be allowed in the UK what have been achieved??
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Ross88
Feb 6, 2017 6:48am
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Quoting theras2000
{quote} Hey Ross, been a while. I have a question for you. The Norwegian Anders Behring Breivik massacred 77 mainly young people in 2011 in a terrorism related atrocity. This is probably more than 10 times the number of US citizens that have been killed in the US from Muslims from the 7 banned countries. Should the US to be consistent not ban Norway citizens as well from entry into the US?
to make this analogy is like comparing apples to oranges Anders Breivik in Norway is viewed for what he is a cold blooded killer and fool the Trump ban is made on the basis that the ban countries citizens populations have a abnormally high level of support for terrorism am not agreeing with Trump's ban but this is a unfair analogy
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Ross88
Feb 6, 2017 6:59am
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Quoting SickOfScam
"We trust in Google"! It looks like a new religion. Perhaps a candidate for the next Trump's ban.... {quote} {quote} {quote}

yes most people used Google for information do you go to the library instead of using Google??
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smikester
Feb 6, 2017 7:03am
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Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} Offensive will be when the muslim population you care so much for force you to convert and accept Islam or accept death...
You don't believe that do you? How many muslims do you know?
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Ross88
Feb 6, 2017 7:43am
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Quoting theras2000
{quote} Ok if what you said is true and that is the main reason, how come no ban on Saudi Arabia or Egypt?
am not agree with the ban or disagreeing with it am saying that was a poor analogy and give the reasons why


also stop bring up Hitler it makes you uninformed
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Ross88
Feb 6, 2017 7:51am
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Quoting theras2000
{quote} Ok if what you said is true and that is the main reason, how come no ban on Saudi Arabia or Egypt?
I am not supporting the ban you ask why I think Norway is not on the list and I gave you my answer. this is Trumps logic not mine
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Ross88
Feb 6, 2017 8:02am
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I know you guy's hate YouTube but have a look at this if you have the time

video is made by a guy name (Graham Phillips) video name is (Anti-Trump protest in London why aren't you marching against Ukrainian shelling of Donbass)
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Ross88
Feb 6, 2017 8:15am
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Quoting theras2000
{quote} You brought him up not me. The only time I mention him his when someone tries to tell me he wanted peace and submits a YouTube 1930s propaganda video as evidence FFS
I was not saying you did bring him into this SoS did on post541
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Mingary
Feb 6, 2017 8:47am
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Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I think Dev's "TYPE" comes about by sheer frustration. In the UK this has been a slow burner and the pro immigration have been able to use the "RACE" card and other such nonsense as their primary weapon to the extent of locking people up who raise legitimate issue with the levels and type of immigration we have welcomed without consultation or question. The traders here will surely understand the numbers and they don't stack up whichever way they are presented and there have been some pretty creative ways of doing so....

It is a strange feeling to walk down High Street in Slough and hear very little English spoken ...
Mostly Polish, Russian and Arabic ..
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smikester
Feb 7, 2017 1:35am
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Quoting gat
I'm sure we agree on many things Cliff. Our differences seem to be on major points though like globalist v nationalist. This thread must be some kind of record as it nears 600 posts. FF should be commended for not censoring anyone. And for the most part the posts have not been personal attacks or such so all the posters should be commended. What we see in this is how difficult it is for leaders to reach agreement Minor points are negotiable. Not so major ones.
One of the things I have seen (which I have never seen before on the internet) is how all the racists and xenophobes have had the courage to declare themselves. Still masking it all with alternative truths and hand picked facts, vilifying whole sections of the planet. They can't go far wrong, because those in power are using lies, lies in some cases they don't even know they are telling, like the famous Bowling Green Massacre. Oddly, those in power are also trying to overturn the constitution and so likely not to last long. I hope.

And we know who you all are now.
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smikester
Feb 7, 2017 2:19am
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Quoting Sniper2000
{quote} You ought to have them Muslims as neighbours. They can create a nightmare if they you dont fit into their life style. All I say is beware what you wish for.
Yeah, you are right. I've had Muslims as customers. One of their women forced me to eat samosas one Saturday morning.
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Calculus
Jan 30, 2017 2:01am
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Quoting Mingary
I am shocked.
No Trump supporters ranting and raving about all this ?
Come on, please explain to us this genius strategy from your Dear Leader.
No need to rant or rave, looks a great decision to me.

Trump is starting to get tough, just as he was elected to do.

And of course the laughs keep on coming as the King of Cucks (Chuck Schumer) starts to cry at a press conference. Shocking behaviour that from a politician.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GnjQsqUIRE
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Calculus
Jan 30, 2017 2:20am
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I haven't called him 'Glorious' yet. Certainly a Great Man but not yet glorious. Perhaps after the first 100 days, let's see.

Whatever the case I doubt there's one Trump voter that would change their minds about how they voted. But I would think there are countless non-Trump voters saying 'hold on, I'm beginning to like what's he's doing'...
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Calculus
Jan 30, 2017 5:42am
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Remember Trump lovers, on eBay you can get THE greatest photo of the year 2016: Trump + Farage all grins and giving the thumbs up. Cost in the UK is about £6.

I've got mine, placed it in a nice frame and it's proudly hanging on my wall.

Every time I look at it, it brings a smile to my face.
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blanca
Jan 31, 2017 3:24am
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Trump shot himself in the foot and I could not be happier, but he also inmersed the country in a deep social and economic crisis and Putin could not be happier, he is doing a golden shower on trump right now, lol.
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Calculus
Jan 31, 2017 8:57am
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Quoting Pip-Miner
Interesting that a temporary ban causes so much outrage , yet bombing the crap out of them berly causes a stir.
That's my point PM about the King of the Cucks Chuck Schumer.

He cries about a few people from the Middle east not being allowed in to the US yet no tears for when the US bombs the crap out of the region.

Same with the argument about the ban being a recruitment policy for terrorists. And what, the bombing the crap out of them didn't produce any?

The hypocrisy is off the charts.
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Calculus
Feb 1, 2017 6:54am
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Liberal jackasses saying Trump's ban will help create 'terrorists' because they will now view the US as being anti-Islam.

Let me get this right.

The US bombs, drones and assassinates people in the Middle east at will for the last decade and more but that doesn't create terrorists.

Yet as soon as they stop a few nutjobs coming into the US that's the spark that's needed for 10,001 of them to strap on their suicide vests.

What a joke.

Liberals have zero credibility with the lame and pathetic arguments.
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blanca
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I would like to share just a few comments about facts we as traders see everyday and that reflects the current situation of the country without taking any side.

1.- Right now its easer for day traders to trade and hedge funds are having a very hard time, trump tweets are making it impossible, in my case I am in both conditions, I am a day trader in a hedge fund and the way to trade right now is looking at his tweets, technical and fundamental is not working.

2.- Market reaction this week has been showing a huge down move in dow jones, this reflects the deep concern of investors that Trump is not seen as a long term president, no confidence at all.

3.- About the Transpacific and Nafta treaty, let me explain you how serious both are, In the Transpacific Trump decided to leave, with this decision he leaves his place to China, in simple words, he is giving away a porshe car with leather seats and with full tank and gave the keys to China, in exchange of NOTHING.
The rule number one in trading is never give something in exchange of nothing, even a small store owner knows that. So the damage is really huge, he turned USA from being the one who leads commerce and took it out giving the leaership instantly to China so now it will be China who will impose trading rules.

About Nafta, it was formed by 3 countries to trade with good conditions and benefit each other, the only thing that has changed in time is that at the time it was signed internet and online trading did not exist and it was not ruled since then, but Mexico is not taking advantage at all, you just need to read it to confirm it, dont take all the things Trump says for granted or truthful, first check everything, and in case Trump decide to leave 5 million jobs will be lost and around 250 million dllrs traded everyday will be lost, again it is only USA who is leaving, and Germany and maybe China again, are ready to take its place.

Also the way he ambushed the Mexican comitee by receiving them with the announcement of the wall, puts in danger not only Nafta but all relations, because consider Mexico is a frontier, the security of this frontier is an incaculable assets for USA he can ask to his predecesors.
In case of any trouble. Mexico can leave it totally abandoned, because you can do the dirty job of a friend but you must not do the dirty job of an enemy, so Cartels, centroamericans and terrorist could openly enter without any problem.

So this leaves USA out of everything, isolated, small and flooded with inmigrants and cartels.

4.- The inmigration order, In this case Trump totally shot himself in the foot, let me explain you why. Before Trump was President there are Treaties signed about refugees, in Geneve, those documents were signed among countries that agree to accept refugees, not only USA but Germany, Canada, etc. So Trump clearly did not know, nobody told him about those documents and his obligations as president to honour them and decided to invent a law to ban not only refugees but only Muslims, repeting all the time that Christians were dying so not only what he did was morally wrong, but also illegal, and he has to honour those documents which Angela Merkel had to call him and explain him what a Treaty is and which are his obligations, so in the next few days you will see how this rule will vanish. But also banning Muslims gave to the Radicals the perfect excuse to attack USA, the arab world is confirming the hate against them so those people that act as loners will increase a lot, now they have the perfect excuse.

Something I have also noticed is the respect and the image USA is having abroad, in the UK there will be a referendum to vote against the visit of Donald Trump and Asian banks are having trouble to make any negotiation because they think Trump will not honour any treatment he signs.


All those things were done in only 10 days, and the country already has severe social, economical, political, religous and terror threats.

At this moment the most important thing is the country I totally respect any political belief and I think that in both parties are very smart and valuable people, but USA in my humble opinion is having the worst time ever. If you still want a country with all the benefits it offered you then it is time to help the country it is time to do something for it, in only 10 days the country has problems many countries dont have at all, never.

Please think a little about it when you are alone at home, and pray for the country and its leaders, at this moment praying will help too.
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Earleone
Jan 29, 2017 5:41pm
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Quoting Not-KPMG
So what now??
Stocks down. Obviously.

Will euro or dollar go up???

Ideas??
Risk off mode = Strength to USD.

Yeah what a show. What is next? Muslim badges? http://newsexaminer.net/politics/donald-trump-introduces-refugee-muslim-badges/
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Earleone
Feb 1, 2017 3:53am
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Quoting Not-KPMG
Guys,
One question.
Think deep.......
What's the REAL purpose of this ban??? Excluding Saudi Arabia...
Why?? What's Trump's agenda????
We all know the answer to that. Not so smart Giuliani even gave answer on television. A ban because of religion is against US law and then he is creative and find other ways to do it. That Saudi Arabia is not included I think is a calculation between ideologi and money for Trump and for now money weighted more.
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Earleone
Feb 3, 2017 4:51am
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Quoting SickOfScam
Devaouxt, that lousy radical activists intentionally provoke and offend traders on this forum. He is betting this character because his intention is to test Ban mechanism on FF {quote}
Not sure. I think he is a extreme right wing either confused or pure evil that dont see the consequences of he's misleading propaganda. Complete lack of Empathy. Is using kind of same methods as Goebbels that was Hitlers propaganda minister used in the Nazi regime.
I hope he understand that he is contributing to innocent peoples death. ( But actually I dont think he care about that ) What does that make him?
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Earleone
Feb 6, 2017 5:21am
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Quoting frx_trader
{quote} Hate? I think you must have misunderstood. Or we are talking about apples and oranges. It is not what you do that they hate you. It is because of what you are. Either you are Japanese, German, whites, etc. It is because of your religion. It is because you eat pork. It is because of your dress. It is because you kiss on the street. It is because you are LGBT. Want more?
I hope and believe that you are very wrong in that.
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Earleone
Feb 6, 2017 6:07am
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Quoting Ross88
{quote} when was he racist and how exactly was he caught out are you guy's not racist by expecting one Irish guy to defend the whole of Ireland??
He makes a point out of that we should not blame all for the actions from the few.
And Devauxt is very often or even mostly doing that.
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NewtonsCash
Jan 31, 2017 5:01am
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Mr Trump is now "Leader of the Free World". After 8 years of totally irresponsible Ponzi scheme economics, mass foreign wars, and pensions theft we should be welcoming him with open arms, how many more enemies do the Fascist, loser, remainders want the UK to have ?

Brexit and Mr Trumps election are a very clear signal to the anti free will , genocidal free loaders , you're time is past US & UK masses have had their fill of you're rubbish and May & Trump are just the fresh brooms needed.

Big Welcome Mr Trump
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lasty
Feb 1, 2017 5:06pm
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Quoting RondaRousey
Forget Immigration ban the biggest threat to America is the $20 trillion debt and growing. The EU bailed out Greece but who is going to bail out America? America is too big to fail.
$18 Trillion GDP .. Somehow I dont think so.
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lasty
Feb 1, 2017 5:10pm
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Quoting Ill-b-back
Being Australian, he is not MY leader and I certainly don't think he is Glorious, and it seems neither does anyone else. In fact, the ONLY person on these forums I see refering to Trump as "Glorious" is Mingary...
We dont have a leader in Australia which is probably worse..
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Forexia
Feb 2, 2017 2:39am
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I understand Trump's idea of not admitting potential terrorists and extremists into the country but this executive order is very ineffective and misleading.

First of all, it's only for 90 days. So what happens after this 90-day period? Is everybody from those seven countries are going to be admitted just like before? If you REALLY want to ban immigration from those countries out of security concerns then why just ban for 90 days why not a permanent ban? If you are going to ban it, ban it permanently otherwise the effort is really not worth it.

Second, those seven countries are all wrong. Those countries, yes, do have majority of populations as Muslims but they are not necessarily the countries with the terrorists. If you don't want potential terrorists to come into the country, you need to ban immigration from countries that not only have Muslim populations but also practice Sharia Law AND support or have ties with terrorists and extremists, countries like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia. I don't see these countries on the list?

So obviously this is a badly constructed "executive order" without consulting any of the important departments like the State Department, the CIA at least, or even the Homeland Security that really at the ends achieves very little to almost nothing. So it's either because he and his staff are just that inexperienced or this is just for show only to appease to all those "supporters" that voted for him.
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RondaRousey
Feb 1, 2017 7:34pm
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Quoting lasty
{quote} $18 Trillion GDP .. Somehow I dont think so.
I'm glad you are not running any country. Where exactly did you learn economics? Define me GDP and then explain how it pays off national debt? Of course America's national debt is a major concern.
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theras2000
Jan 31, 2017 4:22am — Edited
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Quoting Sniper2000
How's this for media B.S. trying incite something.
Yeah, but what else do you expect from ultra right Breitbart.com
Whatever she said she has removed the offending tweet and has apologized unreservedly (as she should)
"Right. I have deleted the offending tweet, which was a joke in very bad taste, and which I unreservedly apologise for."

Edit:
I don't recall teflon Trump apologizing after saying "2nd amendment people" could sort Hillary Clinton out during the election campaign!
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theras2000
Jan 31, 2017 5:12am
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Quoting blanca
Trump shot himself in the foot and I could not be happier, but he also inmersed the country in a deep social and economic crisis and Putin could not be happier, he is doing a golden shower on trump right now, lol.
Agreed,
He will shoot himself in the foot permanently sooner or later. The question is how much damage will he do in the meantime.
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theras2000
Feb 3, 2017 7:16am
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Quoting RondaRousey
A lot of alternative facts on this thread!
That reminds me, the above article does not take into account Kellyanne Conway's views on this. Oh here it is!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/kellyann-conway-bowling-green-massacre_us_58940d66e4b09bd304baa78a
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theras2000
Feb 6, 2017 5:36am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} You have NOT answered. You Continue NOT to answer You continue to try REDIRECT.. REFERAL and personal insult. Answer the question. "Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk. Becasue of the very real threat of Irish Terrorism to MY country? Because they are Irish born? As YOU are. Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?." YES or NO.
Nice one. Stick with it, it's great to see when racist hypocrites get caught out.
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theras2000
Feb 6, 2017 6:10am
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Quoting Ross88
{quote} when was he racist and how exactly was he caught out are you guy's not racist by expecting one Irish guy to defend the whole of Ireland??
Hey Ross, been a while.
I have a question for you.
The Norwegian Anders Behring Breivik massacred 77 mainly young people in 2011 in a terrorism related atrocity. This is probably more than 10 times the number of US citizens that have been killed in the US from Muslims from the 7 banned countries. Should the US to be consistent not ban Norway citizens as well from entry into the US?
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theras2000
Feb 6, 2017 7:03am
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Quoting Ross88
{quote} to make this analogy is like comparing apples to oranges Anders Breivik in Norway is viewed for what he is a cold blooded killer and fool the Trump ban is made on the basis that the ban countries citizens populations have a abnormally high level of support for terrorism am not agreeing with Trump's ban but this is a unfair analogy
Ok if what you said is true and that is the main reason, how come no ban on Saudi Arabia or Egypt?
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theras2000
Feb 6, 2017 8:07am
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Quoting Ross88
{quote} also stop bring up Hitler it makes you uninformed
You brought him up not me.
The only time I mention him his when someone tries to tell me he wanted peace and submits a YouTube 1930s propaganda video as evidence FFS
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theras2000
Feb 6, 2017 9:14am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Maybe, the relationship between the SA & Egyptian security services and the USA is better and yields more reliable data, thereby enhancing the reliability of the security screening between those nations
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe we will never know because Trump has not released his tax returns.
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verv
Jan 30, 2017 2:50am — Edited
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Quoting Mingary
I am shocked.
No Trump supporters ranting and raving about all this ?
Come on, please explain to us this genius strategy from your Dear Leader.

Mingary said here http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?p=7980291&highlight=muslim#post7980291
"Yes "fed up", as in massive deportation of all muslim extremists from the civilized democratic world back to the stone age regions of the earth where they belong.
Where they can lop off as many heads and beat as many women as they wish.
Many muslims are now heavily practicing taqiyya when asked about this event, when actually what they are doing is this: Koran 9:29: Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah"
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verv
Jan 30, 2017 3:00am
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where were all these protesters when in 2009 Obama banned refugees from Iraq from entering the country for a period of 6 months

"As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News – even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

Its the hypocrisy that pisses me off.



Quoting Calculus
Verv, that's a CLASSIC!

Mingary, it's spelled like this -

B-U-S-T-E-D
well if you are going to sling mud, expect others to dig up dirt.
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verv
Jan 30, 2017 6:19am
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Quoting cliffedwards
How does that work since you are a declared US resident trader .
Declared by whom, my profile? Do you also think my real name is verv?

I take my personal anonymity very seriously, some of that includes deliberate misdirection in case there is anyone snooping.
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verv
Jan 30, 2017 6:58am
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Quoting cliffedwards
I dont give a flying fkuc who you are mate..
But you are saying you NOT resident in the USA?
NOT a US citizen? Not an American?
...clearly the ambiguity is exactly what I'm after ;-)
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verv
Jan 31, 2017 4:46am — Edited
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Quoting cliffedwards
FYI.
UK Government Petition.
to "Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom.."


The number of signatories has now risen to just under 1.7 Million at time of posting.

There will be without a doubt an attempt by subversives to pollute this poll. with the purpose of discrediting its validity. I understand from UK Gov IT sources that such attempts are being monitored, and will be used to identify sources of such interference in the democratic process with the purpose of prosecution.

There are >58 million who haven't signed that petition. There have also been other Trump petitions like this one:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003
- which has been rejected.

It's not like this hasn't been tried before.

I laughed when downing street said the petition was a "populist gesture" and would be counter productive. The irony of those shouting loudly about Brexit and Trump election being 'Mob rule' is not lost on Number 10.
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verv
Feb 1, 2017 4:33am
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Quoting Devauxt
Maybe the information required for vetting is more readily available and that the there is a good two way flow of terrorism related intelligence between Saudi and the USA
According to Farage, the temporary banning list, was a list of countries created by the Obama administration. Whether or not that is true though I have no idea.

Edit ^ will read those shortly cliff
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verv
Feb 1, 2017 7:32am
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Quoting Mingary
I choose neither and I reject both.
For the "true trump believer" such as yourself, to be against Trump is to be pro-islam.
In that respect, they are similar. The difference is only some order of magnitude.. but the mind of the "true believer of all creed" only needs to be pushed just a little to sink into total aberration.
http://www.abload.de/img/11514-animated_gifchat8etf.gif
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verv
Feb 1, 2017 7:48am
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Quoting cliffedwards
Lets experiment with this logic..
Those who are Muslims (1.5 Billion people) are proud of their Faith and the ideals and laws on which the that Faith is based is based, whereas the other are a reactionary populist sect where large numbers of its followers believe in racial and religious intolerance, xenophobia, hate preaching, gay hatred, objectification/subjugation of women, extreme nationalism and sectarianism.

Quote: "What element of what I said is not true? I challenge to identify one thing that is not true."

Debate. ROFL.

Are you seriously implying that Muslims aren't or can't be:

"racial and religious intolerance";
"xenophobia";
"hate preaching";
"gay hatred; objectification/subjugation of women";
"extreme nationalism and sectarianism".

WAT? LMAO


you are such a HYPOCRITE. This MUST be satire.

No way you can be serious with that comment.
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verv
Feb 1, 2017 8:04am — Edited
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Quoting Devauxt
Whilst racial and religious intolerance, xenophobia, hate preaching, gay hatred, objectification/subjugation of women, extreme nationalism and sectarianism. can all be found among the US population, neither the US constitution nor the laws of the US support these.

However the beliefs and practices mentioned earlier are contained in the Qur'an and the Hadith (laws and teachings)of that sect
Cliff must be TROLLING with that comment, nobody would leave themselves open to ridicule and counter claims of blind hypocrisy unless it was DELIBERATE act, or unless they were being INCREDIBLY stupid/naive.
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verv
Feb 1, 2017 8:09am
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Quoting Devauxt
I fear that there is no limit to his fluffy liberal socialist views
No way. He isn't thick, no way he wrote that and couldn't see the irony lol. It must have been satire.

The only thing that would make it more ridiculous is if he was sporting a 'toothbrush mustache' LMAO - it truly would be a comedy act at that point.
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verv
Feb 1, 2017 8:19am — Edited
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Quoting Ross88
here's a link (http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php...82#post9491925) post39

on post39 ciff said that he just says thing's to wind people up so basically his a toll also on me post38 you can follow that back and you will see him being intellectually dishonest and refusing to look at new information whilst being dishonest about the information his basically a men child that's how childish his behaviour is

Somewhat of a relief to know he wasn't accidentially being stupid, just deliberately so. At least I know now there are times he isn't being serious and is being deliberately provocative - i.e. Trolling

Trolling though is against forum rules. In fact all politics talk is against forum rules... FF should just ban the lot of us and save itself the trouble
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verv
Feb 3, 2017 4:34am
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Quoting smikester
How many of your posts are about trading? How many as a percentage? And how many are about race hate?

How many of his posts are race hate?

Would be interesting if you could point out which ones are considered race hate, and get some numbers together.
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verv
Feb 3, 2017 4:41am
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Quoting smikester
{quote} No. It would be interesting if you would do that.
That's not how it works.

Why would I attempt to prove a claim that I never made?

You made that claim, and I'm asking you to back that claim up.

It is about your credibility, it is about having the appropriate evidence to form that opinion, do you have any of either?
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verv
Feb 3, 2017 4:45am
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Quoting SickOfScam
Devaouxt, that lousy radical activists intentionally provoke and offend traders on this forum. He is betting this character because his intention is to test Ban mechanism on FF Until when will Devauxt, lousy radical activists, may provoke and offend traders in this forum {quote}

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone - I think that is the way the saying goes.

Here is what the rules of ff say:

"IV. No nationalism or racism
With members from every nation and race, members should be sensitive to how they speak about other countries and ethnicities. Members should never show hatred for or be derogatory toward a country or a race of people. Generally, countries should only be referred to in terms of economics or market impact, and with an unbiased financial tone. Humorous tones, however, are generally accepted."

Here is what you said:
Quoting SickOfScam
Haha what a dirty little game. Lost kitty Paddy persistently propagated Brexit because he knows that this leads to the end of the UK. {quote}
Quoting SickOfScam
You've got a mouth full of Brexit, and in fact you are Paddy . Really sick.
Clearly in breach of forum rules.

YOU
ARE
A
HYPOCRITE

Thanks for reading.
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verv
Feb 3, 2017 4:52am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} More importantly.. what are his credentials as a trader or would-be trader on a Trader Website. "Not here to teach?"?????? Not here to LEARN either. So WTF IS HE HERE TO DO?
I don't know nor do I care.

I'm fully aware that plenty of people come here just for the calendar, and the news articles.

I'm almost 100% stocks, but I still come here everyday for news stories.
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verv
Feb 3, 2017 4:54am
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Quoting SickOfScam
smikester, cliff and the others if you continue to communicate with Devauxt you'll have all the rabbits on your neck soon(Jen, verv,Exodus... Well, not all, some "special" we have already shot ....

@Scammer, aren't you going to reply to my post here:
http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php...72#post9519353

Or are you just going to ignore it?
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verv
Feb 3, 2017 4:57am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} @Smirkster needs no test of his credibility. Or of his trading credentials. You and @IGNORED have plied a menu of bickering, and argumentation here that in ten years of FF membership Ive not seen before.

I never asked for his trading credentials. I asked to him to demonstrate the number of race hate posts that Dev has made...

A person who is credible will attempt to back their posts up with facts.

What is common in here is people resorting to soundbites.

Edit-
And for the record, you have 41 posts in this thread arguing with others, I have 19 inclusive of this one. Again, please try and not be a hypocrite just one second. Especially when your bickering and arguing is on an order of magnitude greater than mine.

Thanks
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verv
Feb 3, 2017 5:14am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} What is in common here are a bunch of POLITICAL SPAMMERS with little or no interest in Forex, using these forums to broadcast divisive and distracting socio political agendas. THATS THE ISSUE.
"THATS THE ISSUE" - wrong

There is a stock and commodities sub forum - for example. It is not an exclusive forex board

Nobody has to be here just to trade forex, and I do still dabble for the record, but as I have explained elsewhere I am much better at stocks. Exchange rates and economic information are pretty important to stocks markets

Nobody has to provide any reason for being here, nobody has to provide YOU with a reason either, you aren't some 'moral' arbiter who gets to decide which reasons are valid and which aren't


"What is in common here are a bunch of POLITICAL SPAMMERS"

Said the POLITICAL SPAMMER. You push plenty of your own political agenda, so I will take that you know from first hand experience what a POLITICAL SPAMMER is - I defer to your experience as a POLITICAL SPAMMER in these matter of POLITICAL SPAMMING

You have 106 pages of posts of forexfactory.
From page 82, over the past 18 months, you have almost exclusively talked about politics and not forex.
The point at which you became as you charge of others, a POLITICAL SPAMMER, is here:
http://www.forexfactory.com/search.p...825899&page=82
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verv
Feb 3, 2017 5:15am
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Quoting SickOfScam
So Devauxt, why don't you answer on this politely question, instead of provoking? {quote}

http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=635672#post9519353

Do you have a polite response for this?

Thanks
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verv
Feb 3, 2017 6:56am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Isn't that the truth Oh hell, you and I are probably in trouble for tell the uncomfortable truth again
I don't think I will be in trouble lol.

You on the other hand, haha. But it's very obvious that if you do get in trouble, then the @thescammer and @Cliff should also be falling on their swords too.
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verv
Feb 3, 2017 7:23am
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Quoting SickOfScam
{quote} We do not let that some "political rookies" here accusing Muslims in general, and constant injury EU citizens called us fascists !! ENDE! {quote}

What about my post above? Where it is clear you are in breach of rules, and expressed views which are considered xenophobic
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verv
Feb 6, 2017 8:56am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Your response is based on Alt-Fact. Your representation here as a Brit is bogus. Your UKIP credentials tick all the boxes Your personal position is that of a Migrant in MY country presuming to dictate to us on how we in the UK should manage Migrants, and security ... Your behavior here is punctuated by consistent personal abuse . And you recommend blanket prejudice against some migrants on a basis that you think unfair were it to be applied against you. So let me ask you again.. .. should (we) consider treating YOU as a potential terrorist...
What fact was specifically Alt-fact?

I've been watching this tit for tat, waiting to see what you guys say to one another.
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verv
Feb 6, 2017 9:21am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} That 99% of Irish terrorism in UK is Homegrown .. ie limited and originating solely from within NI. FACT CHECK that... A terrorist is defined under section 40 of the Terrorism Act 2000 as any person who: Is a member of a proscribed terrorist organisation or incites support for such an organisation; Is involved with fundraising or money laundering for terrorism; Participates in or arranges weapons training; Directs a terrorist organisation; Possesses any article or collects any information for use in a terrorist act; Or incites terrorism...
The 99% figure is not correct, but Dev is correct when he says most of the PIRA, CIRA, NIRA, RIRA, INLA volunteers and nearly all of the UVF, UFF, LVF, RHC lived within the United Kingdom.

I think it is you who doesn't have much familiarity with the 'Troubles'.
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verv
Feb 6, 2017 1:48pm — Edited
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Cliff. You said to me:
Quoting cliffedwards
I have significant EXPERIENCE of them. Thats the difference... buddy.

I asked you a direct question:
Quote
Cliff what experience do you have of NI terrorism? You claimed to have experience and I'm curious to know what that is.


You replied nonsensically:
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} TROLL STRATEGY: The DRAW (Draw out adversary to reveal privileged information empowering leverage?) Like I said you are a nice guy. You quote the facts claiming "knowledge" but no personal experience? If you have it.. pray share.
All I can say is:
'TROLL STRATEGY: REDIRECT'

Recap for the slow learners:
1. Cliff made a claim, to have experience of NI terrorism, and suggested i didn't have any.

2. I asked him for his experience. I then also explained that I lived in NI during the Troubles - in otherwords I lived in NI during the bombing and killing which was a common occurrence.

3. Cliff ignored what I said. He provided no evidence he had any experience after claiming that he did.
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verv
Feb 6, 2017 2:32pm
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Quoting SickOfScam
{quote} So, what do you want now - divorce?
My reaction to 90% of your posts:
https://media.giphy.com/media/glmRyiSI3v5E4/giphy.gif

Quoting cliffedwards
Look mate.. Dont act stupid. Monkey see? Monkey Do? Answer my question? tryto play the trap my totally discredited buddie @dev fell into ROFL Get up earlier mate. No way I disclose personal experience on a very sensitive area .to YOU? TO FF? You want to play the question game? Then lets play... You show me your? and Ill show you mine. You FIRST? Try to stay ahead of the curve.. That was todays game. Wait till you see tomorrows.. ROFL
Nobody asked for you to give away detailed personal information. I gave details without betraying much if any personal info. I might believe you had experience if you could demonstrate even the most basic knowledge of terrorism in NI.
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mrhigurashi
Jan 30, 2017 6:24pm
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Quoting DonFF
Everyone is afraid of the "world leader"

This beast will cripple the economy of any who dear question it....Just ask Iran
This reply has absolutely nothing to do with what i said. In fact most of your replies have nothing to do with what the person said....

So are you...
A. A Political fanatic.
B. A Religious Fanatic.
C. Just plain old crazy fanatic?

And remind me, who is the "World Leader"? Kim Jon Un?
Now, i permit you to answer with your regular dribble....
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mrhigurashi
Jan 31, 2017 12:27am
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Quoting DonFF
Clearly you are better off just to pinpoint what you dont understand either read it carefully again or humble yourself and ask properly.
I understand your a fruit loop with a personal agenda.

And furthermore, reading any dribble you write is not really worth my time. Sorry to disappoint you but you and what you have to say has no importance or relevance to myself.

But you seem to get your kicks from it so enjoy.
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Sniper2000
Jan 30, 2017 1:05pm
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Quoting DonFF
I guess you will also deny the Great depression 2006-8 happened.
When are you going to realize that it is not the "Heads of States" that causes these problems. Yes there is going to be a depression 2018- 2019 start but its not going to be because of Trump and his policies. Unless he was around or they knew he was going to born back in the 1800's.
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Sniper2000
Jan 31, 2017 2:48am
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How's this for media B.S. trying incite something."Times columnist and author India Knight has called for the assassination of U.S. President, Donald J. Trump.
During a days-long invective against the newly inaugurated President on Twitter in which Knight called Mr. Trump a “moron,” “mad,” “needy,” and an “arse,” among other things, before telling him to “shut up,” she mused, “The assassination is taking such a long time”:

The assassination is taking such a long time.

— India Knight (@indiaknight) January 28, 2017

Knight’s attitude is directly in-line with the British media class, many of whom she has cheered on via Twitter over the last few days."
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Sniper2000
Jan 31, 2017 12:21pm
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Quoting cliffedwards
Not one national of any of the banned 7 countries has been responsible for a homeland terrorist attack involving loss of American lives since 2001.

Another Redneck Popularity Policy Scam.
At the end of the day they were all MUSLIMS. How do you know that their parents werent immigrants from any of the 7 countries?
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Sniper2000
Jan 31, 2017 4:02pm
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Quoting Devauxt
In the San Bernardino incident, one of the perpetrators was from Pakistan which is also being considered for inclusion on the banned list. Since 2001 there have been 580 convictions for terrorism in the USA, 380 of which were foreign born (62 Pakistan, 28 Lebanon, 22 Palestinian, 21 Somalia, 20 Yemen, 19 Iraq, 16 Jordan, 17 Egypt 10 Afghanistan)
Interesting. The trouble is everyone around the world are trying to force their beliefs ( I wont say religion) on to everyone else. I dont mind people have different beliefs but when they start forcing it upon me or how I live then thats when I get pissed. Trouble is its been going on since the dot and nothing has changed. People have been so brain washed by Politicians and Do Gooders that all cultures and beliefs can live in harmony. That maybe so until one group starts to force their beliefs on to everyone else. Thats when the "shit hits the fan" and people start to fight back like whats going on in USA and Britain.
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Sniper2000
Jan 31, 2017 4:12pm
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Quoting Ill-b-back
Nope, but they were "countries of concern" under Obama.
The "seven countries" targeted by President Trump's 27 January 2017 executive order pertaining to immigration were not mentioned by name and instead originated with "countr[ies] or area[s] of concern" first identified in the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 (expanded to all seven countries "of concern" in February 2016). source Fact Check
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Sniper2000
Jan 31, 2017 4:45pm
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Quoting goldfinger
Native Americans dont want white men to be in their land, why dont all white people leave America? Instead whites celebrate thanks giving which is a celebration of rape and murder on native American.
Which "Native American" There were /are many different tribes. Who was there first?
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Sniper2000
Feb 1, 2017 11:45am
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This article is perfect. Written for NZ but could be for any country around the world.
Mike Hosking: Trump tick: He's got our attention
5:00 AM Thursday Feb 2, 2017Add a comment
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•Opinion
Donald Trump, whatever you think of him, has stepped up people's interest in political affairs. Photo / AP
Say what you want about US President Donald Trump, it has been many a year since the entire planet has been quite as engaged with what's unfolding as right now, writes Mike Hosking.
Our own PM, Bill English, told me this week that everywhere he goes it's all about Trump. People of all ages are politically engaged, he's never seen the like - and neither have the rest of us.
Sean Spicer enters the White House press room and we take it live on ZB during my radio show. The Herald streams it. Ask yourself how many Josh Earnest briefings you watched or listened to live? Is the answer much larger than none?
What's really brought it to a peak is immigration, and that's an issue for us all. We are all grappling with it.
The first irony in the Trump move is last year's debate over Germany, and Europe in general by year's end, when Angela Merkel opened the flood gates and a million refugees had rolled across the borders.
It was widely held she'd made a catastrophic mistake, and the polls and several local elections have borne that out. Brexit was in a large way a result of the inability of Britain to control and contain who was arriving and from where. Australia, who you will note this week far from criticising Trump have in fact backed him, do so from a position of strength and experience. The boats are turned around, the problem has gone away.
What remains are the ones who have been let in under other leaders and administrations, and it's that residual mess that bogs them down.
But what we know from the Australian experience is that tough border control is electorally popular. Ask John Howard.
Here, we too face an immigration issue, albeit of a different sort - but also stoked by a lot of the same emotion we see in other countries.

The Government has been reticent to act on the numbers, or "flood" if you want to use the emotive term favoured by many, of people wanting to pitch their tent here.
I am a big fan of immigration.
From a cultural point of view it makes us a better, more international country with a greater, more detailed outlook on the world.
I am a fan through practicality as well. The irrefutable truth is that we need people to do work either we don't want to do, or, more often, haven't trained to do.
The fact we've failed to train enough engineers is a crime; the fact we're hopelessly short of builders is not much less of a crime. We have failed to match students with work.
We've failed to point kids in a direction that has genuine prospect.
We pump out arts degree grads and lawyers, when what we want are people to lay pipes, design buildings and change the world through tech.
I can't tell you how many interviews I've done with industries now recruiting overseas.
The New Zealand Initiative has helped in this area this week with its report into the broad topic of whether the numbers arriving here are good or not - and many say they're not.
Which is interesting, because as popular as the Government seems, it may be that they're out of step with a growing number with their policy in this area. And given it's an election year, it could bite them in the bum.
I hope not.
I hope all the noise and push back I hear on this is the headline-grabbers and attention-seekers, but there is no doubt there is a decent queue of those who think there are far too many people moving to New Zealand.
But you can't beat fact, and the initiative's report provides some excellent examples. Firstly, overall the numbers we have arriving provide more good than not.
There is a net gain to all of this.
So this argument that immigrants are taking all our jobs and driving up the house prices simply isn't true.
It is not dissimilar to that dreadful debate we had over foreign investors buying all the houses and never setting foot here. They were guilty of gouging us - until we found out they made up only 3 per cent of buyers, thus making virtually no difference.
But on houses - and this is the part most people don't get - of the 70,000 net gain "new arrivals" we're getting each year, half are returning New Zealanders or Australians. In other words, there's nothing we can do to contain that number even if we wanted to.
So in reality only 35,000 are your so-called new arrivals, and the initiative's report tells us it's the Kiwis and the Aussies buying the houses and applying the pressure.
So that easy old xenophobic line we roll out blaming all the foreigners also isn't true.
If we debate this on merit and fact we'll actually get somewhere, and hopefully we'll see that having a lot of people lining up is no bad thing, it's an endorsement of our success.
We should be proud of the fact that we have done so well, we shine so brightly, that we are on so many people's radar that they want to pack up and start a new life here.
They don't take our jobs, they add to them. They don't drain our economy, they fuel it. They don't inflate our house prices, others do it.
So, given that, let's deal with the only idea out of that report that doesn't seem to make sense: taxing them. Why, when they provide all these benefits, would you look to blow it by penalising them?
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Sniper2000
Feb 2, 2017 10:24am
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Trump voters in this country by and large are *ahem* unsophisticated. There are more precise words but I will cling to being civil for awhile longer.
If they are "unsophisticated tell me why this is happening??? "Dan Loeb, one of the most respected activist hedge fund managers out there, is telling his clients how he positioned his portfolio for the President Donald Trump administration. " see the article in FF.
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Sniper2000
Feb 2, 2017 10:45am
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Quoting jmn5611
It is happening because of a rule one of our founding fathers put in to prevent large states from dominating smaller ones. Trump won more states than Hillary. The states he won he won with the unskilled and uneducated votes. So now they have one of their own in the White House. Let's see how it works out for them.
So who is the smarter one of the two???
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nbfx
Feb 2, 2017 11:12am
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Trump voters in this country by and large are *ahem* unsophisticated. There are more precise words but I will cling to being civil for awhile longer.
There comes a point when the *ahem* unsophisticated get fed up with their lot, their lack of money, their lack of opportunity, of being kept down by the *ahem* sophisticated who have figured out how to keep the poor 'in their place' and rebel. When the fabric of society becomes sufficiently uncomfortable for enough people you get a Trump, or a Brexit or a Le Pen???

OR

out and out revolution as seen across eastern Europe in the latter part of the C20th or parts of the Middle East in recent years.

Added - I make no judgement in the above as to the intellect of voters on either side...
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Sniper2000
Feb 7, 2017 2:14am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} What has amazed me is that so many "right thinking" people have been prepared to stand up and say, they have seen this religion from the Middle East and they don't like what they see. They have seen its intolerance, bigotry, violence, demeaning of women, hatred of gays, along with its other unpalatable and disgusting cultural ditties, its constant victimhood and said "we don't like what we see and don't want it as part of our culture". It is nether racist or xenophobic to tell the truth
You ought to have them Muslims as neighbours. They can create a nightmare if they you dont fit into their life style. All I say is beware what you wish for.
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barkie
Jan 31, 2017 3:12am
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Quoting Sniper2000
How's this for media B.S. trying incite something."Times columnist and author India Knight has called for the assassination of U.S. President, Donald J. Trump.
where is the Jackal when you need him !
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Gwan
Feb 1, 2017 2:40am
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let's just make the immigrant to uphold the US law above their religious law. signed and put a list what law from their religion that is banned.
it would be just like to ask them to abandon their religion.
this could be legal, and really make sense.
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frx_trader
Jan 31, 2017 2:33am
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Quoting DonFF
America is a nation of Immigrants.

The problem is that some seem to want to create artificial segregations between people. This is not by chance we live in a world where some kind of people (those who think in a predominantly "conservative" kind of way seem to think its easier to control people with a divide and conquer strategy.
What planet are you from? Don't tell me, I know. It's called planet Utopian. Wake up smell some coffee. Maybe you can realize your comment.

Trump is trying to do something or anything to fix immigration problem. I think.
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frx_trader
Jan 31, 2017 4:59am — Edited
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Quoting mmforexinfo
Today USA looks like a bus down hill driving by a blind one with a bunch of dumb asses helping.
I agree US could become a 3rd world country. Just like UK, Germany, Sweden etc. But not because of Trump.

There are too many blind people in US and Europe. That's why I try to wake them to see the reality. Wake up and smell some coffee. I hope it's not too late. And still early in the morning. Hopefully.
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frx_trader
Jan 31, 2017 5:01am
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Quoting mmforexinfo
Today USA looks like a bus down hill driving by a blind one with a bunch of dumb asses helping.
Spot on, Bingo, Bull eye. or what ever. I cannot say it better myself. But not Trump. Maybe Clintons.
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frx_trader
Feb 1, 2017 4:33am — Edited
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Quoting Not-KPMG
Guys,
One question.
Think deep.......

What's the REAL purpose of this ban??? Excluding Saudi Arabia...

Why?? What's Trump's agenda????
#214. What is the real purpose of the gates and doors in your house? Don't tell me they are to block mosquitoes or wind.

Trump keeps his promise. To make America safe.

I can only say this on FF unless I will be suspended.
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frx_trader
Feb 1, 2017 4:42am
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Quoting SickOfScam
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BUT -stop (ban) the refugees and punish those people who (our guilt too ) lost their homes, families - in general conditions of life, and on the other hand do not punish war criminals Bush Junior, Tony Blair and the rest of the scum (who cooked all that junk up) - it's really typically Western hypocrisy.
I think you are long on Gold XAU to 2000.
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frx_trader
Feb 1, 2017 5:13am
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Quoting SickOfScam
And I think you're short - in every way.

This is a much better argument than your rambling about Western Hypocrisy and Bush. BTW I am not a Bush fan and not to vote him in any chance.
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frx_trader
Feb 1, 2017 5:29am
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Quoting SickOfScam
If we want that someone learn something from us- we must first clean up our own sh!t.
Happy trading, mate. BTW, try to go outside and learn some more. GL on your trading.
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frx_trader
Feb 1, 2017 9:26am
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Quoting Devauxt
Totally agree. He could have done it in a better way, by the decision is sound

Trey Gowdy / Jason Chaffetz Prove Why Travel Ban Is Needed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KWgZ323Kko
Thank you. Some immigrants do not acknowledge let alone respect and honor your constitution nor laws nor culture. Some belief see your constitution, laws and culture are inferior and should be under their law. Even if you as the host country and they as immigrants.

And some immigrants think they are far more superior than their host country. And some immigrants think they should have more rights than the citizens.

In short some immigrants despise your constitution, Democracy, laws and culture.

I try to be as polite as possible. But also to be accurate. I have omitted some words that can be termed as hate speech.
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frx_trader
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} So lets let the audience judge this.. You my Irish friend, (wanabe UKIP Brit) have supported in this thread toxic blanket allegations,rightly or wrongly, against Islamic migrants and suspicion of their potential for terrorism.. Perhaps you would like to justify your own position as a migrant, in MY country, in terms of the continued threat of Irish terrorism to my country. Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk. Because they are Irish born? Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?.
So you think all the people have equal chance to become a ter? So an Irish may shout without thinking "Whites are evil"? What is the chance?
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frx_trader
Feb 6, 2017 4:48am
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Quoting Earleone
{quote} I think very many has the potential to become terrorists if pushed enough and dont see other possibility's and hate is strong enough. See what happened during world war 2 when Nations did war crimes against each other ( Germany, UK, USA and more with them was bombing civil targets it is a war crime and a terror action too. And it was not for the reason that enemy was using human shields hiding behind some hospital or school. It was from pure hate and revenge and to destabilize moral and both parts did ) Atomic bombs in Japan was also IMO...
Hate? I think you must have misunderstood. Or we are talking about apples and oranges. It is not what you do that they hate you. It is because of what you are. Either you are Japanese, German, whites, etc. It is because of your religion. It is because you eat pork. It is because of your dress. It is because you kiss on the street. It is because you are LGBT. Want more?
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cyguy
Jan 31, 2017 12:45am
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Quoting DonFF
We have seen a similar movie before called BushII its amazing that anyone else would be racing to the bottom to get ahead of BushII in snatching a recession from a strong economy and dragging the world back into the ditch.

Just ask the people who lost their homes and jobs if Bush was a hero. As if the ditch dug by bush wasnt deep enough. The current leader is walking blind into an even bigger ditch Just mark my words!

Trump intends to do this by:

1)Giving more tax cuts to the rich as bush did
2)Remove the commonsense regulations that ensured...

Technically a depression is a recession lasting longer than 2 years, so it would still be a recession, not a depression. otherwise agree with what your saying, the potus is going to lead us into another recession, hopefully not the great depression all the doom sayers are claiming..
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mmforexinfo
Jan 31, 2017 2:23am
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Quoting DonFF
I dont need a clique to determine what I write here. I take on forum bullies with my own independent arguments until they spill their true intent here and eventually get kicked off
Quoting DonFF
All Politicians are bought off...How is the world run otherwise.

Which is why I keep saying on these forums that our so called elected leaders dont really work for the people as the people believe. Ultimately the world is run by money and there is not many on the planet who will say they have enough.

How do you figure The Kennedys have such a hard time.

You better guess again if you seriously believe Trump will be able to do any differently. At least he is somewhat familiar with the real rulers of the world.

The real problem with Trump...
I agreed with almost everything you said. Honestly a lot of people define "patriotism" as how much I will get??? maybe someone will ask what is it? something we can spread on a toast??
Anyway the only thing that bugs me is almost everybody criticize the last 8 years of government but seems they forget completely the years BEFORE that. Why????
God bless America... sorry wrong one.. God SAVE America.
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mmforexinfo
Jan 31, 2017 4:50am
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Quoting frx_trader
What planet are you from? Don't tell me, I know. It's called planet Utopian. Wake up smell some coffee. Maybe you can realize your comment.

Trump is trying to do something or anything to fix immigration problem. I think.
You couldn't find a better way to finish your post; "I think".
That is gold because using your own words "the clown(that is on me) is trying to do something or anything to fix immigration problem" but you are not sure what he is trying to do right??
Today USA looks like a bus down hill driving by a blind one with a bunch of dumb asses helping.
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mmforexinfo
Jan 31, 2017 4:54am
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Quoting blanca
Trump shot himself in the foot and I could not be happier, but he also inmersed the country in a deep social and economic crisis and Putin could not be happier, he is doing a golden shower on trump right now, lol.
Very well said. Lets wait because he is going to shoot the other foot.
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gat
Jan 30, 2017 7:19am
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W/o reading all the posts so far I say it is a start. For those shocked at the ban you should research the history of bans on immigration to the US. Not one of the 6.7 billion non American citizens on the planet has the right to enter uninvited or to stay longer than allowed. Same as a guest to your house. For each ban it has been for what seemed good reason at the time. It is not rational to invite 10 in when there is a history of some of the previous 10 being enemies and a danger to the citizens. I would go further than Trump has. Just noticing the post above which shows a lack of knowledge of both present and historical events. Those liberal Americans are also protected by the immigration ban. About time we have a pro America president. Every nation should have a leader looking out for them first.
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gat
Jan 30, 2017 2:52pm
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Quoting Davit
Funny how liberal left feminists embrace Islam in fact one of the idiots actually called Muslim prayer in Women's march rally totally oblivious of Muslim suppression of women,child marriages,genital mutilations,sub human treatment of even suspicion of adulatory and often raped without any punishment and list goes on and on and these morons go to marches and promote this from their comfy western homes.
Amazing world we live in where there is little logic left.Perhaps these idiots should march protecting women from Islam!!!
Just finished reading The Muslim Brotherhood by Carrie Wickham, 2013. It's the history of the organization to that point with many interviews and quotes of members. What is clear is while they are as claimed moderates it is only in comparison to more radical groups. A longer timeline to the same goal does not help women and others. Let's see if this post stays.
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gat
Jan 30, 2017 4:43pm
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All organized education is indoctrination. Harvard has its agenda same as every other university. Graduates become part of the alum cabal. Do they respect truth or justice or common sense? Not so much.
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gat
Feb 1, 2017 11:16am
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Quoting verv
Cliff must be TROLLING with that comment, nobody would leave themselves open to ridicule and counter claims of blind hypocrisy unless it was DELIBERATE act, or unless they were being INCREDIBLY stupid/naive.
Cliffedwards and others should look at this compendium of polls. They show where Muslim's thinking is. I'll also recommend a book: "The Muslim Brotherhood" by Carrie Wickham, 2013. It is a non emotionally written history of the group with quotes and interviews with the leaders.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx
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gat
Feb 3, 2017 9:43am
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jmn5611: The lengths some go to in order to be ok with Islam is amazing. Here's the difference between ISIS and the KKK. The end game results of ISIS are the same as the Muslim Brotherhood is the same the mainstream Muslim as shown in the polls (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/opinion-polls.aspx). The end game results of the KKK are NOT the same as mainstream whites.

Muslim state governments are not monolithic and each has their own internal issues to deal with. Knowing something about what each is dealing with explains why the US is ok with Saudis but not Syrians. You do not know by watching a few minutes of news. You have to read books delving into the histories.

"The Muslim Brotherhood" by Carrie Wickham, 2013 gives the history of the group and effects in several countries. Moderates? Yes, but only compared to ISIS.

"On Saudi Arabia" by Karen Elliot House, 2012 gives the modern era history of Islam and an in depth view of the House of Saud and Wahabbis. Author spent 30 years there as a journalist and another 4 interviewing peasants to royals.

"Now they call me Infidel" by Nonie Darwish, 2006 is her personal story growing up in revered Muslim family. Her father was a hero leading the wars against Israel. But she had reasons to question and while still a Muslim is an outspoken critic.

"East of Kabul, West of New York" by Tamin Ansary, 2002. The author is an example of a peaceful Muslim. He and his brother lived in the US on 9-11. His brother is not so peaceful.
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gat
Feb 3, 2017 11:33am
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[quote=jmn5611;9521214]{quote} So are you suggesting that SA brand of Islam is not extreme?? And you have yet to demonstrate( no one ever has) that ISIS is connected to the tenets of the Quran in any way. {quote}

Quite the contrary. All Islam is extreme and always ha been. Watch the video in post 418 for the beginnings of it. Learn the history of how it spread west and east. About unprovoked attacks such as Otranto in 1480.

SA is extreme having made its deal with the Wahhabis. But the same as with Assad and every other Muslim nation government the alternatives need to be considered. Taking Saddam out proved to be a mistake. Some like me have learned from that. Too many are still ignorant about Islam because they know one and he's a nice guy or whatever. The Boston Marathon bombers were nice guys too according to their friends. Islam needs a reformation and that needs to come from within. In "The Islamic Nation", 1995, Ali Nawaz Memon proposed changes. Obviously the Muslim Brotherhood agenda has won while his ideas have gone no where.

That you fail to see the radical nature of Islam shows a closed mind. The video, the history, the polls all show it is repressive and regressive.
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gat
Feb 3, 2017 11:40am
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I'll agree it is their culture. That is fine as long as they do not bring it here. But that is not their way. By war or by birth rate they intent is to overtake. Only fools ignore that and invite them in.

While you still claim to not see violence in the Koran you simply do not want to see it. a simple Google search brings up numerous Sura advocating or requiring it. Morse important is the wide support for it as shown in the polls.
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gat
Feb 3, 2017 1:00pm
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Polls are propaganda, both left and right. If they do not show how they selected their sample size, it is BS. Now, as far as bringing it "here". Where is "here", for you. As for me, I know it cannot happen. Our system of government prevents it, which is why we are the lone superpower on the planet.
That is #451. In your post #455 you contradict yourself saying "in America they are lurching towards a theocracy in spite of the Founders wanted.". So which is it? Lurching toward it or it is prevented?

Here is the US for me too. You can look into the details of those polls in my link and tell us where they fail.

And I think it should be noted that FF has not censored anyone on this very long topic. Thumbs up.
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gat
Feb 6, 2017 8:42am — Edited
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{quote} B*llox. Mate. You still have NOT ANSWERED. You made a STATEMENT. Everyone here can see the dodge. Dont play pretend PMQ here. This is not about advantage/upper hand.. its about INTEGRITY. Its about YOUR INTEGRITY. Answer the question. "Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk. Becasue of the very real threat of Irish Terrorism to MY country? Because they are Irish born? Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?."
Your q is not valid. Ireland is part of GB. The Irish are British citizens, at least the northern. Not so with Syrians etc. and the US. Not citizens and no right to enter w/o approval. That actually applies to 6.7 billion people including Brits and Swiss.
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gat
Feb 6, 2017 9:20am
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Corrected my too inclusive error. Now what terrorists threats from the Southern Irish are you talking about? Haven't heard of any attacks since the English stopped abusing them after 400 years. This whole thread is about Trump and immigration policy. I am certainly qualified to add my two cents to that. You love refugees invite a few to live in your house. Don't hand pick them Cliff. Just blindly pick then you can hope they don't rape your wife or daughter. Or son. Or you. Meanwhile sensible people see the results of taking in people from incompatible cultures and want it stopped and reversed. Just think, what if those healthy young males stayed and fought ISIS? What is the other compatible Muslim nations took them in Be stupid with yourself and your family. Not with other peoples.
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gat
Feb 6, 2017 11:12am
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But Cliff, northern Ireland is a part of GB. You can't simply ignore them. You asked about banning the Irish w/o specifying which. See how easy it is to pick on trivialities? You also want to cling to the UN definition of terrorism. I think normal people are concerned about rapes and murders etc. as well. How about no go zones? That is a glaring and deafening sign the course needs to be reversed.
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gat
Feb 6, 2017 1:29pm
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Final.. with respect.. You know man.. Im outraged by all the same things you are. ISIS , Jihad terrorism. the lot. Where we differ is on HOW we confront and deal with them. So Im not living in another world to you? Im just concerned that HOW we and those we elect, deal with it doesnt create even MORE SHIT down the road.. OK Capiche? Same page? So to your comments on my exchanges with @devauxt... This member was born in the Republic of Ireland. A different country. from mine..(UK) Hence the reason for my question. You got it now?
Ireland is a problem solved unless you are having terrorist attacks not covered by the news here. To have remaining animosities is normal after centuries of abuse. Same as it should be expected that blacks here still have animosity. That was well on the path to dissipating until BHO stoked the fires.

Same page? Sort of. You apparently are outraged but not enough to put concern for the citizens of a nation above that for immigrants, legal or illegal. What has created all of this is two major causes. One the way the Brits have treated peoples all over the world. With arrogance, contempt and using them. The US too in too many cases. In regards to the Middle East look to the Ottoman Empire and the Balfour Declaration. How GB and France divvied up the land drawing lines on maps. How the house of Saud was lied to. The second cause is the incompatibility of Islam with Western civilization since about 612 AD on. Perhaps you feel a responsibility to the immigrants/refugees. I do not. They need help because of themselves. It does not fall to me to provide it. I put American's well being first. That is why I support Trump.
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gat
Feb 6, 2017 5:12pm
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I'm sure we agree on many things Cliff. Our differences seem to be on major points though like globalist v nationalist. This thread must be some kind of record as it nears 600 posts.

FF should be commended for not censoring anyone.

And for the most part the posts have not been personal attacks or such so all the posters should be commended.

What we see in this is how difficult it is for leaders to reach agreement Minor points are negotiable. Not so major ones.
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JaleesHacker
Jan 30, 2017 7:06am
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America started a war against so called extremisms in Middle east and other Muslim countries now USA got an extremist/racist president themselves. I really feel bad for liberal and innocent Americans....
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 2:03am
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I guess, there is nothing to take...
Quoting jw1981
Curious to know: Why aren't the muslim countries forthcoming in opening the doors to their refugee brothers?
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SickOfScam
Feb 3, 2017 5:28am
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Yes I know,I forgot you Ross ...
WTF is with you people from Rabbit Hole? You are acting like a guerilla here on FF. What's the plan? Perhaps you want to dominate the FF?

Quoting SickOfScam
smikester, cliff and the others if you continue to communicate with Devauxt you'll have all the rabbits on your neck soon(Jen, verv,Exodus... Well, not all, some "special" we have already shot ....
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Stu Effex
Feb 6, 2017 6:13am
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Dev you are pissing in the wind mate, leave them to their fate.
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Not-KPMG
Jan 29, 2017 3:27pm
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What a show!!!

You are fired!!!!

You impeached.!!!

You....

Bread and circuses!!!
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Not-KPMG
Jan 29, 2017 5:04pm
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So what now??
Stocks down. Obviously.

Will euro or dollar go up???

Ideas??
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Aussi
Jan 30, 2017 2:58am
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Quoting Mingary
And later they come for you ....
YEH RIGHT , and guess what
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UnBearybull
Jan 30, 2017 10:03am
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Looks like the Orange Fool is (for the time being) content with poking the hornet's nest, not making proper steps to eradicate extremism within U.S.

You wanted a mediaeval king- He hasn't disappointed so far.
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Davit
Jan 30, 2017 11:23am
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Quoting DonFF
Your own truth belongs to you and no one else.
Wrong there are objective truths called facts!
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Aussi
Jan 30, 2017 3:09pm
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bleeding hearts will be the death of the world , I will not turn the other cheek anymore , enough is enough , stop immigration save jobs for AUSTALIANS and AMERICANS
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Not-KPMG
Feb 1, 2017 3:28am
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Guys,
One question.
Think deep.......

What's the REAL purpose of this ban??? Excluding Saudi Arabia...

Why?? What's Trump's agenda????
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UnBearybull
Feb 1, 2017 6:44am
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Quoting Devauxt
It is a shame that you equate Trump followers with the followers of Islam.

...I can't see the similarity myself. Maybe you could others in here understand
Plenty of hate for gays (curing ffs!), coercive marriage, rape, violence, abuse, hate preaching, female subjugation in CHRISTIAN families too, who'd have thunk it?
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Aussi
Feb 1, 2017 11:45pm
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Quoting lasty
{quote} We dont have a leader in Australia which is probably worse..
JUST SEEN HIM ON tv , hahha hehhe hes now getting is forehead shined
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fontu
Feb 5, 2017 8:46am
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yes we know what is going on but not why !perhaps a natural gift to do something different than thought of, so take all benefit this year through all the ups & down in the Trump era lasts !!
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Mingary
Jan 29, 2017 11:40pm
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I am shocked.
No Trump supporters ranting and raving about all this ?
Come on, please explain to us this genius strategy from your Dear Leader.
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Mingary
Jan 30, 2017 12:09am
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Quoting Aussi
its easy get rid of the dead wood and let the forest grow
And later they come for you ....
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Ill-b-back
Jan 30, 2017 1:21am
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One only needs to take a look a Mingarys' previous posts regarding the perceived threat of the spread of Islam to know HIS true position on the matter

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Mingary
Jan 30, 2017 2:13am
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The "clouds of unreason" are getting bigger and darker.
And, they have found their lighting rod.
The world is preparing for war
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Ill-b-back
Jan 30, 2017 2:33am
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And people speak like databases are a NEW,Extreme measure lol...

Please....
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Ill-b-back
Jan 30, 2017 2:42am
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Quoting SickOfScam
Rats from "Tower" must make their crumbs - meaning they "still explaining"....
I rarely understand you and now is no exception...
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Mingary
Jan 30, 2017 4:25am
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It's way too much to ask from the trump enthusiasts to be Anti-Islamism and Anti-Bullshit at the same time.
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Ross88
Jan 30, 2017 7:16am
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Quoting Devauxt
"I think its Time for FF to clean the swamp"
a self proclaimed toll wants to clean the swamp some people really are bozozs
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Ross88
Jan 30, 2017 11:53am
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Quoting DonFF
As far as you know LOL

Only the words of the Creator of all is true
dropping mad knowledge bombs again but seriously layoff the universal laws
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Ill-b-back
Jan 30, 2017 1:36pm
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Quoting goldfinger
I lll be back has done his aborigine hunting trip. even kangaroos wont crap on his keyboard, do i need to say ------------------
Been drinking have we...?
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Pip-Miner
Jan 31, 2017 8:50am
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Interesting that a temporary ban causes so much outrage , yet bombing the crap out of them berly causes a stir.
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Ill-b-back
Jan 31, 2017 2:04pm
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Quoting cliffedwards
I dont recall Obama issuing a travel ban on 7 countries?
When did that happen?
Nope, but they were "countries of concern" under Obama.
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Ill-b-back
Feb 1, 2017 5:36pm
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Quoting lasty
{quote} We dont have a leader in Australia which is probably worse..
I agree with you on that point.

But he IS a good donour though

lol..
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Mingary
Feb 2, 2017 3:04am
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Let's be clear that the reason I don't want to play is simply because Trump enthusiasts are idiots.
But they certainly are funny.
Have fun and play nice ...
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Pip-Miner
Feb 3, 2017 1:17am
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Trump , U.S. Immigration policy is soft and only catching up to Australia. They are locked up in a concentration camp on arrival . I'm shocked Trump is accepting them , his such a nice guy .
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smikester
Feb 3, 2017 4:05am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I think you have proved that you don't do any research at all
Don't put the onus on us. Answer my questions. Or go.
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smikester
Feb 3, 2017 4:14am
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I think you should know, back on trading, that I made good money yesterday and today, shorting the Pound. While you are wasting your time trolling.
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smikester
Feb 3, 2017 4:18am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Hey snap smikester, I did too. It was good wasn't it?
Not now I know that.

Time to go, Devauxt.
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smikester
Feb 3, 2017 4:31am
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Quoting jen101
{quote} Come on, can we all call a truce here?
No.
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Ill-b-back
Feb 3, 2017 5:18am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} ENOUGH. TIME TO END POLITICAL SPAMMING. Back to Trading.
You promise Cliff?
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Ross88
Feb 3, 2017 5:22pm
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote}{quote}...
This has been going on since the Crusades. .[/quote]

the Crusades where a reaction to Islamic aggression
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Ross88
Feb 4, 2017 5:43pm
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Quoting goldfinger
2 down more to go he he he
who are the two down?? big men
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Ill-b-back
Feb 6, 2017 5:35am
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Quoting SickOfScam
{quote} Feels good, doesn't it?
You clearly know all about it
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smikester
Feb 7, 2017 3:05am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote}I don't see how intolerance, bigotry, violence, demeaning of women, hatred of gays,
Are we talking Trump, Putin or ISIS here?
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2+2=4ex
Jan 29, 2017 11:41pm
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After everything that has transpired anything now seems possible.
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Calculus
Jan 30, 2017 2:57am
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Verv, that's a CLASSIC!

Mingary, it's spelled like this -

B-U-S-T-E-D
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EventHorizon
Jan 30, 2017 6:27pm
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Quoting cliffedwards
Thanks your comment..
BUT Im not taking this forward on the basis that you are right or wrong.. or that I agree with any of your opinions.
Im bringing it forward because I HATE BULLSHIT.
I hate MOB Rule.
And I HATE SCAM ARTISTS.. and Masqueraders.
Ive unmasked one here.. and would like to unmask more.

FF created a great site for retail traders to exchange views and systems.
The News Channel forum here however has become a playground for slogan touting, propaganda projecting people who have in many cases made little no contribution or...
I am with you. It is FF policy that no political statements are allowed. They have been censoring such posts. They have the right to kick anyone off the forum for violating the rules. They may start to do that. Stick to trading. Go to twitter to abuse each other.
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EventHorizon
Jan 30, 2017 10:58pm
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Quoting Davit
When FF posts an immigration news which has nothing to do with trading then it is expected that conflicting views will be posted.If they want sanitized PC views then why even bother posting the news.
Lets be tolerable to other views and saying this as a conservative
No argument. I am just pointing out FF policies. I had some of my posts censored by FF for being political and was reminded about the terms and conditions. Email them with your grievance.
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blanca
Feb 1, 2017 9:28am
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Quoting SickOfScam
blanca, nice to see you here

Nice to see you too Sicky
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Borg
Feb 1, 2017 11:44pm
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Quoting jw1981
Curious to know: Why aren't the muslim countries forthcoming in opening the doors to their refugee brothers?
Hello jw1981:

The reason why is because the Muslim refugees will bring their problems with them to the other Muslim countries.

Muslim countries already have internal conflicts with various Muslims sects. Sunni versus Shiite eg.. Radical Muslims versus moderate Muslims. Secular vesus non secular..

They have their own security concerns with radical Islamic terrorists. Why should they bother letting potential radical Islamic terrorists in to their country.

Letting in these refugees would be in effect be importing the problems, the conflicts that the refugees are suppose to be escaping.

They would be letting people in from both sides of these conflicts in to wage their rivalry in the host country. So why should they let them in.

They are not coming to these host countries to become citizens of the host country. They are coming to escape the problems from their country.

Islam is not a religion of love and tolerance. Rivalry between sects has been going on for centuries. A thousand years from now they will still be fighting with each other.
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Borg
Feb 1, 2017 11:50pm
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Quoting Ill-b-back
One only needs to take a look a Mingarys' previous posts regarding the perceived threat of the spread of Islam to know HIS true position on the matter
Hello Ill-b-back,

See my below post where where I take a part Mingary's feeble minded anti-Trump attacks. Just hilarious.
I think he must be suffering from dementia. Just no cure for stupid. It's not just that he is wrong he doesn't even make any sense.

FF should have a Most Ignored Members list to save people from wasting time.

Violent clashes by protesters resume with police in downtown Washington blocks from Trump inauguration parade route Post 22
http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php?do=news&id=633152#post9465782

It starts out
Let's review Mingary. In your tedious rant against Donald Trump, you have managed to present only 3 facts to support your position....
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Borg
Feb 2, 2017 12:12am
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Quoting Calculus
{quote} No need to rant or rave, looks a great decision to me. Trump is starting to get tough, just as he was elected to do. And of course the laughs keep on coming as the King of Cucks (Chuck Schumer) starts to cry at a press conference. Shocking behaviour that from a politician. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GnjQsqUIRE
Crocodile tears from a globalist puppet.

May be Chuck Schumer will win an Oscar for best supporting puppet.
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Calculus
Feb 3, 2017 3:28am
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Love that Mexican/Spanish video, hilarious.

I've seen a few of them, all relating to different topics.

See, this is how people should deal with Trump that don't like him, laugh.
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Earleone
Jan 30, 2017 1:03am
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Bad and sad for the world.

Good thing is that he has managed to unite most of the leaders in the world against this xenophobic politics ( Also in the US ) . Not much support for it.
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Earleone
Feb 3, 2017 2:08am
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Funny variant of the Spanish laughing guy:

Inserted Video
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RondaRousey
Jan 30, 2017 5:14pm
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Protectionism and immigration ban is bad for business. Steve Jobs biological parents were immigrants and look at what Steve Jobs created-Apple.
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RondaRousey
Feb 1, 2017 4:05pm
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Forget Immigration ban the biggest threat to America is the $20 trillion debt and growing. The EU bailed out Greece but who is going to bail out America? America is too big to fail.
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RondaRousey
Feb 2, 2017 6:36am
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Trump has turned the POTUS into a reality show. Who is getting fired and who is getting hired is making news everyday. I want local news not Trump news.
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RondaRousey
Feb 3, 2017 5:07am
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A lot of alternative facts on this thread!
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verv
Jan 30, 2017 5:20am
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Quoting barkie
Back to the back of the queue, you Trump haters.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Signed
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executivefx
Feb 1, 2017 7:26am
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Before you support Trump just remember that the stick that is used to throw away a snail is also thrown away.
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verv
Feb 3, 2017 4:47am
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Quoting smikester
{quote} I know your caper.

Thanks for the statistics
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mrhigurashi
Jan 30, 2017 9:29am
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Quoting Devauxt
When you get time, please translate into English
For me the question would be "Why are they not condemned for refusing refuges like everyone else is"....?
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fxx360
Jan 29, 2017 5:02pm
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the free ride is over in the US...... try Canada . Our leader is an air head Socialist .......
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Ghassforex
Jan 29, 2017 5:37pm
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Quoting Not-KPMG
So what now??
Stocks down. Obviously.

Will euro or dollar go up???

Ideas??
Maybe Euro up ......but sell It on a good bounce ....Good Luck ...
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Sniper2000
Feb 3, 2017 1:08pm
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This video is especially for you Cliff. lol. http://mashable.com/2017/02/03/swiss...k#7WDTrlkj0iqY Have a good weekend all
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Sniper2000
Feb 6, 2017 8:07am
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This is NOT a Blanket Ban. It is a TEMPORARY BAN of 90 DAYS. IF after the 90 Days the ban continues then all these discussions would be rightfully debated.
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barkie
Jan 30, 2017 4:09am
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Quoting Devauxt
The Global Terrorism Index

https://www.screencast.com/t/3MoH8LkwsrFO
DT forgot India please send a mail, dangerous people.
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barkie
Jan 30, 2017 4:39am
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Back to the back of the queue, you Trump haters.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
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saruhn
Feb 6, 2017 9:07am
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All of you nerds can type and argue as much as you wish, i doubt it is helping you make any $$ in trading. Message to all of you: Continue being losers.
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frx_trader
Jan 31, 2017 2:41am
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I don't know how live in US can be wonderful with open immigration. But I know it's not that wonderful in Europe.
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frx_trader
Feb 1, 2017 8:34am
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Trump has made the Right decision regarding ban on immigration.

US has to protect Democracy and the people.
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calstock
Jan 30, 2017 12:15am
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The Republicans are given him enough rope to hang himself while Pence waits his turn.
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MapleLeaf
Feb 6, 2017 4:41pm
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A man's gotta do what a man's gotta do.

Nuff Said.
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jw1981
Jan 30, 2017 1:47am
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Curious to know: Why aren't the muslim countries forthcoming in opening the doors to their refugee brothers?
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ikouki
Jan 29, 2017 3:59pm
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The start of a massive global chaos.
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ilhaner
Jan 30, 2017 2:34pm
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While he is at it he should ban religion altogether.
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gat
Jan 31, 2017 11:48am
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Not one of the 6.7 billion people not American has the right to enter w/o invitation. Or to stay longer than agreed to.
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gat
Feb 2, 2017 7:13am
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# 273 and 278 Bingo.
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Peace-maker
Jan 30, 2017 1:39am
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😖 so bad
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 1:57am
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Quoting Mingary
I am shocked.
No Trump supporters ranting and raving about all this ?
Come on, please explain to us this genius strategy from your Dear Leader.
I think the basics of his strategy are sound, but initial implementation was poor.
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 2:16am
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You forgot the trumpets which constantly "explain" to us what their "Golden Daddy" actually wanted to say ...
Quoting Ill-b-back
Being Australian, he is not MY leader and I certainly don't think he is Glorious. In fact the ONLY person on these forums I see refering to Trump as "Glorious" is Mingary...
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 2:22am
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Quoting Mingary
The "clouds of unreason" are getting bigger and darker.
And, they have found their lighting rod.
The world is preparing for war
Or, Someone has had the gonads to stand up and say, we know where most of the terrorists, hate preachers and extremists are emanating from, let's do some proper checks before we invite them into our country
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 2:33am
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... or let's bomb Iran and send five million more refugees to Europe....

Quoting Mingary
The "clouds of unreason" are getting bigger and darker.
And, they have found their lighting rod.
The world is preparing for war
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 2:37am
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Rats from "Tower" must make their crumbs - meaning they "still explaining"....
Quoting Ill-b-back
With ridiculous "news" headlines such as that in the linked article, it's clear what he wants to say is simply twisted by the media anyway.
No?
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 3:17am
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....the CIA and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) supplied the region’s opium and heroin dealers with arms, ammunition, transportation of food supplies, buildings and “humanitarian aid”, in exchange for mercenary forces or political leverage. These dealers included the Kuomintang (KMT or Nationalist Chinese) on the Chinese border, Hmong tribesmen in Laos led by narcotics trafficker ----> Vang Pao...
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 3:27am
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Quoting SickOfScam
....the CIA and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) supplied the region’s opium and heroin dealers with arms, ammunition, transportation of food supplies, buildings and “humanitarian aid”, in exchange for mercenary forces or political leverage. These dealers included the Kuomintang (KMT or Nationalist Chinese) on the Chinese border, Hmong tribesmen in Laos led by narcotics trafficker ----> Vang Pao...
Thanks for the History lesson, but what is the message you are trying to communicate? None of us posses the skills of a clairvoyant or psychic
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 3:52am
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Quoting SickOfScam
Vang emigrated to the United States in 1975...... for "some" refugees there are always places
7 countries have been targeted by the Trump Ban.
None of which were involved in 9/11.. and whos citizens have had little or no aprticipation in terror attacks since 2001.
None of which Trump business enterprises have any investment. (4)

Why no ban on Saudia Arabia/Pakistan/Egypt/Gulf States?
Everyone with the faintest familiarity with the subject knows that this is the reality.
Its is factions in these countries that are financing the terrorists

Of about 400 individuals charged with or credibly involved in jihad-inspired activity in the U.S. since 9/11, just under half (197) were U.S.-born citizens, according to research by the nonpartisan think tank New America Foundation. An additional 82 were naturalized citizens, and 44 were permanent residents.

I just dont understand such disjointed policy decisions.
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 4:00am
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Stick to the point....
NO REDIRECTION

Of about 400 individuals charged with or credibly involved in jihad-inspired activity in the U.S. since 9/11, just under half (197) were U.S.-born citizens, according to research by the nonpartisan think tank New America Foundation. An additional 82 were naturalized citizens, and 44 were permanent residents.

I just dont understand such disjointed policy decisions.
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 4:15am
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Trump can see what is happening in Europe and doesn't want any of that either. Merkel has allowed terrorists, hate-preachers, rapists, paedophiles into Europe in the guise of immigrants and refugees which Trump can see and recognise on a daily basis.

Why would he not want to stop this sort of detritus entering the USA? It is right and proper that he takes a stance and implements serious vetting from this region.

He may not have done it in the best way, but he unafraid of addressing the real issues
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 4:17am
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Wang Pao was also one of those "who had heroically helped U.S. forces"(verv), but such "heroes" usually find their way to the USA.
As an "experienced general", he quietly sold "Asian fast food" later in the USA.
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 4:19am
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Quoting SickOfScam
Wang Pao was also one of those "who had heroically helped U.S. forces"(verv), but such "heroes" usually find their way to the USA.
As an "experienced general,"later he quietly sold "Asian fast food" in the USA.
Still clueless as to the point you are trying to make. Get some help
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 4:28am
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Quoting SickOfScam
Devauxt between you and me are obviously decades - there is no help.
I am sure that you are trying to post some sort of insult. Convert it into intelligible English and at least let everyone enjoy it, not just you.
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 4:41am
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The world's biggest criminals enjoy US protection, on the other hand they accuse poor refugees on the road (fault USA too) for "terrorism".

Quoting cliffedwards
Stick to the point.... NO REDIRECTION

Of about 400 individuals charged with or credibly involved in jihad-inspired activity in the U.S. since 9/11, just under half (197) were U.S.-born citizens, according to research by the nonpartisan think tank New America Foundation. An additional 82 were naturalized citizens, and 44 were permanent residents.
I just dont understand such disjointed policy decisions.
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 4:44am
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On that basis... can one say ..
What a pity then that the UK government, didnt take a similar sanction against Irish people following the IRAs 1984 attempt to assassinate Maggie Thatcher and half the UK government in Brighton?
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 4:46am
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Quoting barkie
Back to the back of the queue, you Trump haters.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Over a MILLION in just a weekend?
At that rate ..be 2+ million by end of week.

Maybe we should have a referendum?

LoL
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 5:19am
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Quoting IGNORED
I am sure that you are trying to post some sort of insult. Convert it into intelligible English and at least let everyone enjoy it, not just you.
@IGNORED.. I note you continue your little tactic of making fun of and abusing contributors with less English competence than your Irish (CBS) education provided to you?
I would think that Ireland is well rid of you. Though why my country England/UK should have to entertain you masquerading as one of US REAL Brits, , is beyond me.
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 5:40am
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I really like our rabbits ...

Quoting cliffedwards
@IGNORED.. I note you continue your little tactic of making fun of and abusing contributors with less English competence than your Irish (CBS) education provided to you?
I would think that Ireland is well rid of you. Though why my country England/UK should have to entertain you masquerading as one of US REAL Brits, , is beyond me.
Quoting cliffedwards
How does that work since you are a declared US resident trader .
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 5:52am — Edited
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OK Devauxt, I'll try. So, if you were born in Afghanistan, your task would be to collect the camel dung around the desert.
But you're lucky you're born Irishman - so you can "teach" us Brexit and "you-understandable English."


Quoting Devauxt
I am sure that you are trying to post some sort of insult. Convert it into intelligible English and at least let everyone enjoy it, not just you.
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 5:55am
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Quoting SickOfScam
I really like our rabbits ...
Thanks your comment..
BUT Im not taking this forward on the basis that you are right or wrong.. or that I agree with any of your opinions.
Im bringing it forward because I HATE BULLSHIT.
I hate MOB Rule.
And I HATE SCAM ARTISTS.. and Masqueraders.
Ive unmasked one here.. and would like to unmask more.

FF created a great site for retail traders to exchange views and systems.
The News Channel forum here however has become a playground for slogan touting, propaganda projecting people who have in many cases made little no contribution or shown any interest in the trading forums on the FF site.

Ive been subscriber here for over 10 years.
What I see here is unedifying.
I think its Time for FF to clean the swamp.
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 6:12am — Edited
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Same here. There are some things where we disagree.
BTW there are also "members" who have thousands of posts and none of them are related to trading.
Quoting cliffedwards
FF created a great site for retail traders to exchange views and systems.
The News Channel forum here however has become a playground for slogan touting, propaganda projecting people who have in many cases made little no contribution or shown any interest in the trading forums on the FF site.

Ive been subscriber here for over 10 years.
What I see here is unedifying.
I think its Time for FF to clean the swamp.
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 6:31am
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Quoting verv
Declared by whom, my profile? Do you also think my real name is verv? I take my personal anonymity very seriously, some of that includes deliberate misdirection in case there is anyone snooping.
I dont give a flying fkuc who you are mate..
But you are saying you NOT resident in the USA?
NOT a US citizen? Not an American?
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 7:02am
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Quoting cliffedwards
Thanks your comment..
BUT Im not taking this forward on the basis that you are right or wrong.. or that I agree with any of your opinions.
Im bringing it forward because I HATE BULLSHIT.
I hate MOB Rule.
And I HATE SCAM ARTISTS.. and Masqueraders.
Ive unmasked one here.. and would like to unmask more.

FF created a great site for retail traders to exchange views and systems.
The News Channel forum here however has become a playground for slogan touting, propaganda projecting people who have in many cases made little no contribution or...
That probably is the only way you could limit opinion to the one that matches your.

You refer to others as Masqueraders, yet you are guilty of the same, pretending to want the debate about Brexit and claiming to be unbiased in your view and as we all know, that was an untruth.

But in good old EU style, when cliffedwards does not get the answers he wants to kill the debate "I think its Time for FF to clean the swamp"
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 7:17am
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Quoting JaleesHacker
America started a war against so called extremisms in Middle east and other Muslim countries now USA got an extremist/racist president themselves. I really feel bad for liberal and innocent Americans....
"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"

Trump may have gone about it like a "bull in a china shop", but other than that, he is doing what he promised. The fluffy liberals have achieved nothing and done nothing for years
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 7:28am
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Quoting Mingary
"Number of us"?
Is this some sort of conspiracy ?
Names please ...

Oh yes @mingery.. lest lance this TOXIC BOIL!
I sure as hell dont agree with all you post mate..
But I respect your opinions.
I respect your depth of thinking that shows you an educated man.
When you are at your most controversial.. and I most disagree, I can still see the philosophical under -pinning to even your most apparently daft posts.
I cannot extend that respect to many others here.
Either when I agree or disagree with their sentiments.

The problem here, as in many aspect of business.. was summed up by Mark Twains advise over 100 years ago..

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” .... and theres always the danger that "onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 7:33am
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" fluffy liberals have achieved nothing and done nothing for years"

Happily for them DT has now GUARANTEED that their wildest dreams will now come true.
By overstepping so spectacularly he has triggered exactly the indignation and kickback that their agenda failed to energise for years.

The Game is Chess. Not Snap.
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 7:35am
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Could you please define "Triumph of Evil" and "Good Men Do Nothing"? Something that can not be used by all f**king radicals of this world.

Quoting Devauxt
"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 7:38am
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Quoting SickOfScam
Could you please define "Evil" and "Good Men Do Nothing"?Something that can be used by all f**king radicals of this world.
Evil = Anything that the AngloIrish Branch of the Neo- Nazsty party doesnt agree with..
Good Men.. The boys in the Black/Brown Shirts.
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 7:42am
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Quoting cliffedwards
" fluffy liberals have achieved nothing and done nothing for years"

Happily for them DT has now GUARANTEED that their wildest dreams will now come true.
By overstepping so spectacularly he has triggered exactly the indignation and kickback that their agenda failed to energise for years.

The Game is Chess. Not Snap.
And to play the game of Chess you have to move the pieces, forfeit a few key players and pawns in order to win. Watching to board won't get the game played. You should stick to Snap
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 7:58am
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[quote=Devauxt;9497962]And to play the game of Chess you have to move the pieces, forfeit a few key players and pawns in order to win..../quote]

Forfeiting key players and pawns arent your problem Mate..
Its Forfeiting INTEGRITY for Ideology.
Loyalty and pride in your truely great country of origin to interference in the affairs of my country.
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 8:09am
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[quote=cliffedwards;9498036]
Quoting Devauxt
And to play the game of Chess you have to move the pieces, forfeit a few key players and pawns in order to win..../quote]

Forfeiting key players and pawns arent your problem Mate..
Its Forfeiting INTEGRITY for Ideology.
I have never know the keeping of an election promise to represent "Forfeiting INTEGRITY"

Trump said he was going to implement extreme vetting and that was one of his key promises in the election campaign. He may have gone about it like a "Bull in a China Shop", but the policy is as promised
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 8:12am
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It comes not only from these idiots! I mean, it's funny that all the f*cking radicals (Islamic, Orthodox, Erdogan, nazis, populists...) using the exact same rhetoric to cause chaos - all over the world.
"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing" - what a piece of BS.

Quoting cliffedwards
Evil = Anything that the AngloIrish Branch of the Neo- Nazsty party doesnt agree with..
Good Men.. The boys in the Black/Brown Shirts.
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 8:35am
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Quoting SickOfScam
It comes not only from these idiots! I mean, it's funny that all the f*cking radicals (Islamic, Orthodox, Erdogan ...) using the exact same rhetoric to cause chaos - all over the world.
A little EU education for the dim of mind

Walter Funk
Hans Josef Globke
Paul Henri Spaak
Prince Bernhard
Theodor Heuss
Kurt Kiesinger
Walter Hallstein
Alfred Toepfer
Alcide De Gasperi

What have they all in common? They were all founding fathers of the EU

And a little less know interesting fact, all were Nazi, SS, Fasicist members or collaborators,

Careful where you use you "Brown Shirt" sh1t3. It is closer to home than you realise
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 8:55am
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Quoting SickOfScam
Even such an "expert" as you should know that the EU is thinking copy of ERT - which only a few EU politicians want to admit.
When you get time, please translate into English
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DonFF
Jan 30, 2017 8:55am
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Quoting jw1981
Curious to know: Why aren't the muslim countries forthcoming in opening the doors to their refugee brothers?
Good question

Starting with Saudi Arabia

For most people religion is just a cover
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DonFF
Jan 30, 2017 9:02am
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[quote=Devauxt;9498117]
Quoting cliffedwards

I have never know the keeping of an election promise to represent "Forfeiting INTEGRITY"

Trump said he was going to implement extreme vetting and that was one of his key promises in the election campaign. He may have gone about it like a "Bull in a China Shop", but the policy is as promised
He didn't promise to be a bull in China Shop even though he conducted his campaign like one. I guess the optimist among us was thinking otherwise.

He seem hell bent on keeping some dumb Campaign promises even if those promises get in the way of his oath to protect the constitution!

Keep going this way and he will be nixed faster than Nixon.
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DonFF
Jan 30, 2017 9:35am
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Quoting mrhigurashi
For me the question would be "Why are they not condemned for refusing refuges like everyone else is"....?
Everyone is afraid of the "world leader"

This beast will cripple the economy of any who dear question it....Just ask Iran
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 9:37am
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Quoting Pip-Miner
Smart.. and you want a good trade deal with USA? At this rate you will be put on the banned list and locked out of both EU and American markets. He has the nuke codes now as well. I wouldn't get him angry his psycho.
No.. I want to continue the successful and profitable trade and customs union with our largest and nearest market.. the EU 27.
Not an "America First" .. BendOver quicky from someone you describe so un-flatteringly?
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DonFF
Jan 30, 2017 10:06am
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Quoting UnBearybull
Looks like the Orange Fool is (for the time being) content with poking the hornet's nest, not making proper steps to eradicate extremism within U.S.

You wanted a mediaeval king- He hasn't disappointed so far.
Exactly

The shortest route to achieve this is just to resign the job!
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 10:16am
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Quoting cliffedwards
No.. I want to continue the successful and profitable trade and customs union with our largest and nearest market.. the EU 27.
Not an "America First" .. BendOver quicky from someone you describe so un-flatteringly?
Successful and profitable trade and customs union with our largest and nearest market.. the EU 27 but not at the price of being ruled by the EU. The electorate of the UK have never voted for that, even thought that is exactly what was promised https://www.screencast.com/t/FOLhhDms
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 10:21am
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[quote=IGNORED;9499074]Successful and profitable trade and customs union with our largest and nearest market.. the EU 27 but not at the price of being ruled by the EU. The electorate of the UK have never voted for that, even thought that is exactly what was promised.
Doesnt matter what MY country voted for..
Thats whats on offer.
And NOTHING ELSE.
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 10:29am
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[quote=cliffedwards;9499104]
Quoting IGNORED
Successful and profitable trade and customs union with our largest and nearest market.. the EU 27 but not at the price of being ruled by the EU. The electorate of the UK have never voted for that, even thought that is exactly what was promised.
Doesnt matter what MY country voted for..
Thats whats on offer.
And NOTHING ELSE.
The difference between you and me is that I think that the UK should be ruled by the UK and UK laws should be set and defined by the UK. You seem happy the be ruled by the Unelected in the EU.

As to what is eventually negotiated, neither of us know
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 10:35am — Edited
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Quoting IGNORED
Successful and profitable trade and customs union with our largest and nearest market.. the EU 27 but not at the price of being ruled by the EU. The electorate of the UK have never voted for that, even thought that is exactly what was promised https://www.screencast.com/t/FOLhhDms
Doesnt matter what MY country voted for, or was promised, or expected....
Thats whats on offer.
Its WAY beyond that.
We had a deal, with the other 27 nations.
That lead to economic prosperity and success
We have opted OUT.
And its left Our Prime Minister arselicking a self declared "America First" protectionist President desperate for a symbolic trade deal with US to justify and pretend that its all OK. Demeaning and insulting to the UK.
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 10:45am
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Quoting cliffedwards
Doesnt matter what MY country voted for, or was promised, or expected....
Thats whats on offer.
Its WAY beyond that.
We had a deal. That lead to economic prosperity and success
We have opted OUT.
And its left Our Prime Minister arselicking a self declared "America First" protectionist President desperate for a symbolic trade deal with US to justify and pretend that its all OK. Demeaning and insulting to the UK.
When it was the EEC it was not so bad, but the UK electorate never voted for Political integration under the Lisbon Treaty. And as for arselicking, every PM prior to the current one and with the exception of Thatcher has been engaged in that practice with the leaders of the EU and EEC. The EU is the biggest protectionist organisation in history. You are so full of EU twaddle
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 10:56am
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Quoting IGNORED
The EU is the biggest protectionist organisation in history.
Well ..if so.. then the UKs secession at a time that Trumps America appears be heading in a deeply (America First) protectionist direction .. is particularly badly timed?
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 11:17am
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Quoting Davit
Funny how liberal left feminists embrace Islam in fact one of the idiots actually called Muslim prayer in Women's march rally totally oblivious of Muslim suppression of women,child marriages,genital mutilations,sub human treatment of even suspicion of adulatory and often raped without any punishment and list goes on and on and these morons go to marches and promote this from their comfy western homes.
Amazing world we live in where there is little logic left.Perhaps these idiots should march protecting women from Islam!!!
Careful, the truth is not a common or well accepted currency in here
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DonFF
Jan 30, 2017 11:25am
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Quoting Ross88
I think we have reached a turning point in the West were the useful idiots/extremely loud minority are being called out on their nonsense and the main stream media have been seen for what they are which is basically liars.
The world has always been run on deception.

The whole systems starting with the education system is based on deception!

Clearly deceived people can only design a system of deceptions.
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 11:29am
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Quoting cliffedwards
Well ..if so.. then the UKs secession at a time that Trumps America appears be heading in a deeply (America First) protectionist direction .. is particularly badly timed?
It seems Trump is happy to do a deal with the UK. I don't think has a high opinion of the EU (I'm sure the feeling is mutual)

But on doing a deal with the USA, the UK will

- not have US courts defining our laws
- not be subject to US laws in our own country
- not be told by the US who we can trade with
- not have to pay £350m per year trading club membership
- not be told by the US who we can and cannot eject from the country
- not be told by the US who can and cannot come to our country

To name but a few
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DonFF
Jan 30, 2017 11:37am
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Quoting Ross88
this make's no sense am sorry donFF but what are you talking about???
I dont expect you to make sense of it.

We are on two different page here.

I am dealing in universal laws while your scope is limited to what you have been taught
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DonFF
Jan 30, 2017 11:48am
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Quoting Davit
Wrong there are objective truths called facts!
As far as you know LOL

Facts is only a word...The victors of wars write the history books some of the sources we are taught to be classified as facts -thats a fake word!

I am stating my own truth not seeking support of anyone in my comments!

Only the words of the Creator of all is true
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 11:57am — Edited
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Quoting Devauxt
It seems Trump is happy to do a deal with the UK. I don't think has a high opinion of the EU (I'm sure the feeling is mutual)
But on doing a deal with the USA, the UK will

1. - not have US courts defining our laws..
yes you will.. you clearly have no idea on the small print in trade contracts.(applicable law)
2. - not be subject to US laws in our own country .. yes you already do in many commercial arrangements. .. and any financial issues certainly will allow US regulatory and legal oversight.
3 - not be told by the US who we can trade with.. nobody tells you that now./Doh!
4. - not have to pay £350m per year trading club membership..
Oh yes the 350million PER WEEK that going to the NHS? ROFL..
5. - not be told by the US who we can and cannot eject from the country/
not be told by the US who can and cannot come to our country
Quite right.. No obligation to the European Convention on Human Rights, drafted 1953, largely by British Legal advisers and the only convention ENFORCEABLE in law against excesses perpetrated by the State. (UNCHR is not) Obligatory for not just EU members but for ALL members of the Council of Europe member states.

All Good..
Now BEND-OVER.. here comes Donald!! with the Art of the Deal!!!
Free copy with every FTA. LoL

HOW NAIVE ARE YOU MAN?
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goldfinger
Jan 30, 2017 12:01pm
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Quoting Davit
Funny how liberal left feminists embrace Islam in fact one of the idiots actually called Muslim prayer in Women's march rally totally oblivious of Muslim suppression of women,child marriages,genital mutilations,sub human treatment of even suspicion of adulatory and often raped without any punishment and list goes on and on and these morons go to marches and promote this from their comfy western homes.
Amazing world we live in where there is little logic left.Perhaps these idiots should march protecting women from Islam!!!
The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.
Albert Einstein

Lindsay Lohan has converted to Islam. Try oppressing her, she will kick your bankrupt brain into shape.
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 12:44pm
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Quoting cliffedwards
But on doing a deal with the USA, the UK will

1. - not have US courts defining our laws..
yes you will.. you clearly have no idea on the small print in trade contracts.(applicable law)
2. - not be subject to US laws in our own country .. yes you already do in many commercial arrangements. .. and any financial issues certainly will allow US regulatory and legal oversight.
3 - not be told by the US who we can trade with.. nobody tells you that now./Doh!
4. - not have to pay £350m per year trading club membership..
Oh yes the 350million PER...
If the UK could trade with anyone we like and negotiate a trade deal with anyone we like, we would be negotiating a trade deal right now with the USA. The EU prevents this.

European human rights judges have blocked more than 900 attempts by Britain to deport foreign criminals and terror suspects in recent years. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9239417/European-Court-of-Human-Rights-blocks-more-deportations-from-UK-than-any-other-country.html

The US will not define the UK civil laws, the EU does
The UK will not be subject to US civil laws in our own country

Commercial law is different in that it is dependant on the jurisdiction of the contract, as stated in the contract
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 12:46pm
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Quoting iamsovereign
If there was a true, truthful media, president ELECT Trump would be a American hero.

But we don't - we have fake news, and week minded people only hear what they have been propagandized with, and want to hear. The most ironic thing about this is, Most of you anti Trump people are well meaning but completely misinformed. But as they say - good intensions is a road paved to hell.....
Thats the trouble with Trump..
In some ways he IS an American Hero..
IMHO.. Problem is that hes also totally naive.. he actually thinks he can run a Nation State in the 21st century like a Hotel chain. there are levels of complications that he has NO idea about.. He could learn, hes smart.. but with his fragile personality and his arrogance he seems psychologically ill-equipped to meet that challenge.
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goldfinger
Jan 30, 2017 12:48pm
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Quoting Devauxt
If the UK could trade with anyone we like and negotiate a trade deal with anyone we like, we would be negotiating a trade deal right now with the USA. The EU prevents this.

European human rights judges have blocked more than 900 attempts by Britain to deport foreign criminals and terror suspects in recent years. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-country.html

The US will not define the UK civil laws the EU does
The UK will not...
Mate America is not our circus and dt is not our monkey.
We voted to get out of EU but master race is not happy about it so it aint happening.
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DonFF
Jan 30, 2017 12:49pm
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Quoting iamsovereign
If there was a true, truthful media, president ELECT Trump would be a American hero.

But we don't - we have fake news, and week minded people only hear what they have been propagandized with, and want to hear. The most ironic thing about this is, Most of you anti Trump people are well meaning but completely misinformed. But as they say - good intensions is a road paved to hell.....
We have seen a similar movie before called BushII its amazing that anyone else would be racing to the bottom to get ahead of BushII in snatching a recession from a strong economy and dragging the world back into the ditch.

Just ask the people who lost their homes and jobs if Bush was a hero. As if the ditch dug by bush wasnt deep enough. The current leader is walking blind into an even bigger ditch Just mark my words!

Trump intends to do this by:

1)Giving more tax cuts to the rich as bush did
2)Remove the commonsense regulations that ensured the recovery.
3)Must fight more wars since is redlines which are so easily imposed cannot be ignored without a war.
4)Trigger trade wars which will only reverse global trade
5)All at the same time while removing whatever little benefit there are in the healthcare system.

These are the same warning ignored by Bush who like yourself believe that conservative nonsense approach to the economy will lead to prosperity.

I guess you will also deny the Great depression 2006-8 happened.
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 1:01pm
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Quoting IGNORED
European human rights judges have blocked more than 900 attempts by Britain to deport foreign criminals and terror suspects in recent years. [/url]
1. Under the Rule 39 powers of the European Court of Human Rights, judges can issue interim measures that are binding on nation states if they believe the applicant “faces a real risk of serious, irreversible harm if the measure is not applied”.
This prevents deportation going ahead until the case can be heard in detail.

2. The 900 figure you quote refers to multiple years. You quoted this figure in another thread, but when asked to define the timescale applicaple to the 900 figure.. you didnt respond.?? Whatever.. set against the 86,000 prison population of the UK..it hardly seems like a crisis figure?
Incidentally I see that The number of Rule 39 measures granted against Britain has fallen in recent years, from 527 in 2008 to 35 last year.
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 1:07pm
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Quoting goldfinger
Mate America is not our circus and dt is not our monkey.
We voted to get out of EU but master race is not happy about it so it aint happening.
It IS HAPPENING.

Problem is not Brexit..
Its Whats Nextit?
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DonFF
Jan 30, 2017 1:54pm — Edited
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Quoting iamsovereign
All you have done is prove my point---- thanks by the way!!!

Bush = bad Obama = bad I don't support bought off politicians and I don't fall into the paradigm of progressive or conservative --- this is the media bull that I wrote about.... we have someone that is real in office now--- and that is why the main stream media and Powers to be-- are sh1tting there pants..... You must look deeper and you will see, not just look.

we, America is under a false monetary system --- the Fed is not federal --- so yes we may be facing another depression...

All Politicians are bought off...How is the world run otherwise.

Which is why I keep saying on these forums that our so called elected leaders dont really work for the people as the people believe. Ultimately the world is run by money and there is not many on the planet who will say they have enough.

How do you figure The Kennedys have such a hard time.

You better guess again if you seriously believe Trump will be able to do any differently. At least he is somewhat familiar with the real rulers of the world.

The real problem with Trump is not what he cant do but what he is doing to make the majority of the peoples lives miserable because of his limited one sided views.

This is where the Democrats with their multiplicity of views are way stronger than many of the Republican leadership for the last 4 or 5 decades. Democrats especially the likes of Obama is way more open minded than even his less admired and mean spirited so called Patriotic Americans with whom he learned a lot from about how nasty and vitriolic fellow human beings can be. How can Patriots who are hardly willing to sacrifice anything for the country be willing to hold back the development and recovery of the global economy for 8 years in the interest of blind ideology.

I am still bemused even ashamed that human beings could stoop to such low levels as the Republicans did for the last 8 years for the simple reason that someone look a little different than they do.

Well they have done enough to confirm that indeed this side of America (Those who are unwilling to accept the human family as it is rather than how their limited minds tell them)is and has been the Mother of South African for these decades.

Even more ridiculous to have people coming online to say they support the humans who conduct themselves in such base shameless way trolling on the international stage representing the weakest minded people among us.

Yes I will not deny anyone who is still unlearned enough to understand the value of a human life and what a human life really is. But I know it is the duty of leadership to encourage their followers to rise about petty nonsense that most have a difficulty overcoming.

These kind of base way of thinking must not be dressed up as conservatism but must be revealed for what it is. Heroic leadership requires leaders to step away from those who would persist in their belief that a human life is defined by their outward appearance.
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DonFF
Jan 30, 2017 1:57pm
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Quoting Ill-b-back
Been drinking have we...?
I dont need a clique to determine what I write here. I take on forum bullies with my own independent arguments until they spill their true intent here and eventually get kicked off
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DonFF
Jan 30, 2017 3:02pm
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Quoting Ill-b-back
His post was totally illegible, hence my comment.

What point are you trying to make as your interjection is out of left field
That my points are my own. I am not writing in support of anyone nor to please anyone.

I simply state my truth.
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goldfinger
Jan 30, 2017 3:54pm
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Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power.
P. J. O'Rourke
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DonFF
Jan 30, 2017 5:48pm
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Quoting RondaRousey
Protectionism and immigration ban is bad for business. Steve Jobs biological parents were immigrants and look at what Steve Jobs created-Apple.
America is a nation of Immigrants.

The problem is that some seem to want to create artificial segregations between people. This is not by chance we live in a world where some kind of people (those who think in a predominantly "conservative" kind of way seem to think its easier to control people with a divide and conquer strategy.

They seem adamant about their truth, that all men are not created equal. Else why do they seem to think they must impose their crazy ideas on others and labelling people at the earliest opportunity with labels such as "Liberal and lefties".

Separatism is a function of extreme fear...so conservative types are therefore a fearful type. Frankly I dont have a problem with anyone who inclined to be open minded and others who are not. I know that as a species we are not complete. But some dont realize that we must continue to grow in unity with each other.

There is none in the human family who is happy being separate so this is the kind of realism that many are unable to get to grips with.
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DonFF
Jan 30, 2017 5:51pm
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Quoting gat
All organized education is indoctrination. Harvard has its agenda same as every other university. Graduates become part of the alum cabal. Do they respect truth or justice or common sense? Not so much.
Agreed
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DonFF
Jan 31, 2017 12:21am
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Quoting mrhigurashi
This reply has absolutely nothing to do with what i said. In fact most of your replies have nothing to do with what the person said....

So are you...
A. A Political fanatic.
B. A Religious Fanatic.
C. Just plain old crazy fanatic?

And remind me, who is the "World Leader"? Kim Jon Un?
Now, i permit you to answer with your regular dribble....
Clearly you are better off just to pinpoint what you dont understand either read it carefully again or humble yourself and ask properly.
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cliffedwards
Jan 31, 2017 3:55am
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Quoting barkie
where is the Jackal when you need him !
I know very well that this was a tongue-in-cheek humorous remark.
If perhaps in bad taste. However I suggest you are careful here about posts, since even such obviously humorous allusions can and WILL be misused by Trump trolls to allege a wish for harm to the President. Which is against everything I know you stand for.
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cliffedwards
Jan 31, 2017 4:30am
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FYI.
UK Government Petition.
to "Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom.."


The number of signatories has now risen to just under 1.7 Million at time of posting.

There will be without a doubt an attempt by subversives to pollute this poll. with the purpose of discrediting its validity. I understand from UK Gov IT sources that such attempts are being monitored, and will be used to identify sources of such interference in the democratic process with the purpose of prosecution.
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DonFF
Jan 31, 2017 8:00am
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Quoting mrhigurashi
I understand your a fruit loop with a personal agenda.

And furthermore, reading any dribble you write is not really worth my time. Sorry to disappoint you but you and what you have to say has no importance or relevance to myself.

But you seem to get your kicks from it so enjoy.

Try figuring out why Russia has won round one and firmly in drivers seat before trying to figure me out!
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cliffedwards
Jan 31, 2017 1:07pm — Edited
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Quoting Sniper2000
At the end of the day they were all MUSLIMS. How do you know that their parents werent immigrants from any of the 7 countries?

better.. let me tell you countries whos citizens HAVE murdered thousands of US citizens in 9/11 and since??

Saudia Arabia / Egypt/UAE/ Pakistan/

And Countries with whom Donald Trump has investments?
Oh Gosh.. the same?

Coincidence
ROFL...
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Devauxt
Jan 31, 2017 2:10pm
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Quoting Sniper2000
At the end of the day they were all MUSLIMS. How do you know that their parents werent immigrants from any of the 7 countries?
In the San Bernardino incident, one of the perpetrators was from Pakistan which is also being considered for inclusion on the banned list. Since 2001 there have been 580 convictions for terrorism in the USA, 380 of which were foreign born (62 Pakistan, 28 Lebanon, 22 Palestinian, 21 Somalia, 20 Yemen, 19 Iraq, 16 Jordan, 17 Egypt 10 Afghanistan)
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Devauxt
Feb 1, 2017 1:00am
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Quoting goldfinger
Native Americans dont want white men to be in their land, why dont all white people leave America? Instead whites celebrate thanks giving which is a celebration of rape and murder on native American.
Since that time, most nations have learned that rape and murder are unacceptable in civilised society, whereas the those coming from the banned countries follow teachings which not only include rape and murder but also bring other little cultural ditties such as religious intolerance, hate preaching, child marriages, marriage between close relations, FGM, forced marriages, male female segregation, gay hatred, subjugation of women, to name but a few.
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Devauxt
Feb 1, 2017 3:38am
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Quoting Not-KPMG
Guys,
One question.
Think deep.......

What's the REAL purpose of this ban??? Excluding Saudi Arabia...

Why?? What's Trump's agenda????
Maybe the information required for vetting is more readily available and that the there is a good two way flow of terrorism related intelligence between Saudi and the USA
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cliffedwards
Feb 1, 2017 3:54am
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Quoting Not-KPMG
Guys,
One question.
Think deep.......
What's the REAL purpose of this ban??? Excluding Saudi Arabia...
Why?? What's Trump's agenda????
He likes them very much..

August 21 2015:
Speech in Alabama
"Saudi Arabia? I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much."
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SickOfScam
Feb 1, 2017 4:27am
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Islam is not just a religion, Islam is also the politics in one. It is clear.
BUT -stop (ban) the refugees and punish those people who (our guilt too ) lost their homes, families - in general conditions of life, and on the other hand do not punish war criminals Bush Junior, Tony Blair and the rest of the scum (who cooked all that junk up) - it's really typically Western hypocrisy. Muslims will never forgive us that shame.
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cliffedwards
Feb 1, 2017 4:33am
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Quoting Ill-b-back
You really need to ask Obama.
It's the 7 countries he listed as "countries of concern" under the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 that Trump focused on for his temporary travel ban. In addition, the 7 countries were not named by Trump but are on the list because of Obamas' policy with Department of Homeland Security focusing on these "countries of concern" about 2 years before Trump came into office.
But let's not let any details get in the way of a nice convenient story eh...
What Obama did was not a ban.


Fact-Check:
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/trumps-faulty-refugee-policy-comparison/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/ap-fact-check-trump-claims-travel-ban-misleading-45160554
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/jan/30/donald-trump/why-comparing-trumps-and-obamas-immigration-restri/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/01/30/fact-check-trump-refugee-policy-comparison-obama/97247418/
http://news.sky.com/story/donald-trumps-travel-ban-fact-checked-how-the-claims-measure-up-10749909
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2017/01/30/fact-check-travel-ban-rrump/97269126/

But let's not let THAT get in the way of a nice convenient Alt-Fact eh
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SickOfScam
Feb 1, 2017 5:00am
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And I think you're short - in every way.

Quoting frx_trader
I think you are long on Gold XAU to 2000.
Quoting frx_trader
I can only say this on FF unless I will be suspended.
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SickOfScam
Feb 1, 2017 5:23am
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If we want that someone learn something from us - we must first clean up our own sh!t.

Quoting frx_trader
This is a much better argument than your rambling about Western Hypocrisy and Bush. BTW I am not a Bush fan and not to vote him in any chance.
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Devauxt
Feb 1, 2017 6:40am
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Quoting Mingary
It's a disease ?
Aren't all religions a disease of the mind?

I will write in "Trumpish" so even you will understand

(Cult of) Islamism, bad
Cult of Trump, bad
It is a shame that you equate Trump followers with the followers of Islam.

Those who voted for Trump are proud of their country and the ideals and laws on which the the country is based, whereas the other is an authoritarian sect where large numbers of its followers believe in murder, rape, religious intolerance, hate preaching, child marriages, marriage between close relations, FGM, forced marriages, male female segregation, gay hatred, subjugation of women.

I can't see the similarity myself. Maybe you could others in here understand
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Devauxt
Feb 1, 2017 7:01am
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Quoting Mingary
I choose neither and I reject both.
For the "true trump believer" such as yourself, to be against Trump is to be pro-islam.
In that respect, they are similar. The difference is only some order of magnitude.. but the mind of the "true believer of all creed" only needs to be pushed just a little to sink into total aberration.
A delusional response as usual. What element of what I said is not true? I challenge to identify one thing that is not true
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cliffedwards
Feb 1, 2017 7:24am
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Lets experiment with this logic..
Those who are Muslims (1.5 Billion people) are proud of their Faith and the ideals and laws on which the that Faith is based is based, whereas the other are a reactionary populist sect where large numbers of its followers believe in racial and religious intolerance, xenophobia, hate preaching, gay hatred, objectification/subjugation of women, extreme nationalism and sectarianism.

Quote: "What element of what I said is not true? I challenge to identify one thing that is not true."

Debate. ROFL.
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SickOfScam
Feb 1, 2017 7:29am
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All radicals on this world using the same rhetoric. They all defend and protect "someone or something", but in fact behind these "big" words hide themselves most ordinary criminals.

Quoting UnBearybull
Plenty of hate for gays (curing ffs!), coercive marriage, rape, violence, abuse, hate preaching, female subjugation in CHRISTIAN families too, who'd have thunk it?
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Devauxt
Feb 1, 2017 7:59am
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Quoting cliffedwards
Lets experiment with this logic..
Those who are Muslims (1.5 Billion people) are proud of their Faith and the ideals and laws on which the that Faith is based is based, whereas the other are a reactionary populist sect where large numbers of its followers believe in racial and religious intolerance, xenophobia, hate preaching, gay hatred, objectification/subjugation of women, extreme nationalism and sectarianism.

Quote: "What element of what I said is not true? I challenge to identify one thing that is not true."

Debate. ROFL.
Whilst racial and religious intolerance, xenophobia, hate preaching, gay hatred, objectification/subjugation of women, extreme nationalism and sectarianism. can all be found among the US population, neither the US constitution nor the laws of the US support these.

However the beliefs and practices mentioned earlier are contained in the Qur'an and the Hadith (laws and teachings)of that sect
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Devauxt
Feb 1, 2017 8:07am
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Quoting verv
Cliff must be TROLLING with that comment, nobody would leave themselves open to ridicule and claims of hypocrisy unless it was DELIBERATE, or if they are INCREDIBLY stupid.
I fear that there is no limit to his fluffy liberal socialist views
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SickOfScam
Feb 1, 2017 9:13am
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blanca, nice to see you here

Quoting blanca
I would like to share just a few comments about facts we as traders see everyday and that reflects the current situation of the country without taking any side.

1.- Right now its easer for day traders to trade and hedge funds are having a very hard time, trump tweets are making it impossible, in my case I am in both conditions, I am a day trader in a hedge fund and the way to trade right now is looking at his tweets, technical and fundamental is not working.

2.- Market reaction this week has been showing a huge down move in dow jones, this...
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Devauxt
Feb 1, 2017 9:35am
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Quoting Mingary
I am happy to be the only one seeing it.
It's really funny that the survivalists have stopped stocking up their survival bunker now that their fearless leader has been elected.
The clouds of unreason are becoming darker and larger
Your Trumpet is the lighting rod.
The world is preparing for war.
Humans never learn.
All you seem to do is shoot your mouth of with nothing but bovine faeces. You can't and never seem to be able to back anything up. It appears that you are factually illiterate
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Devauxt
Feb 1, 2017 12:59pm
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Quoting Mingary
No need to.
Seeing the "Alex Jones" / Trump idiots rant and pontificate is a great source of entertainment.
I think it has more to do with your inability to research and for a persuasive argument relating to anything. Your mouth might be smart, your brain cell certainly is not.
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Devauxt
Feb 1, 2017 2:16pm
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Quoting goldfinger
what will you lot do when DT passes legit rape law, you mothers, daughters and sisters get raped in the name of legit rape?
I think you have been smoking something illegal
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 1:16am
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Quoting Borg
{quote} Hello jw1981: The reason why is because the Muslim refugees will bring their problems with them to the other Muslim countries. Muslim countries already have internal conflicts with various Muslims sects. Sunni versus Shiite eg.. Radical Muslims versus moderate Muslims. Secular vesus non secular.. They have their own security concerns with radical Islamic terrorists. Why should they bother letting potential radical Islamic terrorists in to their country. Letting in these refugees would be in effect be importing the problems, the conflicts...
Well said Borg
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 1:21am
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Quoting Mingary
{quote} {quote} {quote} Can't have a reasonable debate, I am just laughing too hard (; You all card carrying members of the Trump Offensive Front just can't seem to understand how I find you and your Glorious Leader (yes, if you are Australian just look what happened to your PM, absolutely rip roaring belly slapping fun) so hilariously funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4
Let's be honest here, the reason you can't have a reasonable debate, is that you are not sufficiently equipped to do so. A chimp could have a smart mouth like yours, it takes a man to properly engage in debate
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 2:11am
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Quoting Mingary
{quote} (; Come back to me with your answer so we can have a "reasonable debate".
It is a little rich of you to require of someone, something that you have never done yourself, nor are are you capable of
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 3:33am
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Quoting SickOfScam
What, are we going to let this moron shows his private porn on news channel? Admin?
Son of Sam, I never called Mingary a moron, that would be against the rules of FF. You might call him that, I couldn't possibly comment
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 3:59am
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Quoting Mingary
{quote} You can be certain that some event(s) in the near future will lead me into a debate (; So far they have just been hilariously entertaining...
You have been for some time, thank you
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goldfinger
Feb 2, 2017 9:02am
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Quoting Mingary
{quote} You can be certain that some event(s) in the near future will lead me into a debate (; So far they have just been hilariously entertaining...
Problem with you my friend you are pissing off too many foxwatching batty boys
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goldfinger
Feb 2, 2017 9:08am
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A Republican Senate hopeful sparked outrage on Sunday by suggesting that "legitimate rape" rarely results in pregnancy due to a woman's biological defences.

McCaskill quickly rebuked him -- "As a woman & former prosecutor who handled 100s of rape cases, I'm stunned by Rep. Akin's comments about victims this AM," she tweeted -- and Republican operatives on Twitter joined in the chorus decrying his remarks and speculating that he would need to be pulled from the race if the GOP wanted to continue to have any shot at taking her seat.

When I said LEGIT RAPE law is to be passes batty boys went mad
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 10:42am
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Quoting jmn5611
It is happening because of a rule one of our founding fathers put in to prevent large states from dominating smaller ones. Trump won more states than Hillary. The states he won he won with the unskilled and uneducated votes. So now they have one of their own in the White House. Let's see how it works out for them.
So the uneducated are simply wrong about the danger of radicals from the Islamic world, that the $113bn per year spent on illegal immigrants is not real and Congress is wrong when it says that the current vetting system is a failure?
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 11:03am
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Quoting Sniper2000
{quote} So who is the smarter one of the two???
Strange argument from jmn5611. He is implying that the less intelligent segment of the US electorate are the ones who do not want to pay social benefits for the people of another country, that illegal immigrant from another country are more deserving of the $113bn than the tax paying electorate of the USA and that it is OK to allow potential terrorists into the USA due to poor vetting. Wow, says a lot for the education system in the USA, assuming he is correct
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 11:18am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} TROLL TACTIC: THE SWITCH. While discussing profile of voters, on which you have made a sensitive but valid point.. "the Switch" ensures that the subject is redirected to the players agenda.. Nothing like a CBS education ..Eh? ROFL
It was indeed an enlightening experience
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cliffedwards
Feb 2, 2017 11:35am
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Quoting Mingary
{quote} ..
@Mingary.. to change the subject away from this endless bickering and BS,
I was looking at avatars today in an idle moment..
I was interested in yours.. come up with two links..Sarcelles and Clervaux?
Love the french martlets.
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 11:49am
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Quoting smikester
I don't doubt that immigration policy needs reform. But all you Nigels, Donalds and Pats are using misleading wording. You and your type are misleading ignorant or unsophisticated people who would like someone to blame for all their life's ills. You are being dishonest and what I fear most about people like you is that you love to have followers, people who believe in you, so that you can feel powerful and have free reign to bully those who don't agree with you.
Misleading and dishonest in what way? Please be specific
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 12:11pm
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Oh give it a rest mate.. On the much more interesting subject of Avatars.. Like @mingarys, I notice the yours is very interesting too.. Penfold? isnt it.. ?? bit of a strange choice? Whats the link? Lighten up and tell us the story?
let me think about that for a sec.....Nah
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cliffedwards
Feb 2, 2017 12:31pm
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} let me think about that for a sec.....Nah
Oh yes.. can see why.. ROFL..
Just checked your Wiki. "Penfold"

"Penfold is a timid, bespectacled hamster, and Danger Mouse's reluctant assistant.
(Penfold is often mistaken for a mole;..) "

Well Hey.. thats ONE understandable Link anyway..
MOLE?

ROFL...
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 12:36pm
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Oh yes.. can see why.. ROFL.. Just checked your Wiki. "Penfold" "Penfold is a timid, bespectacled hamster, and Danger Mouse's reluctant assistant. (Penfold is often mistaken for a mole;..) " Well Hey.. thats ONE understandable Link anyway.. MOLE? ROFL...
You got it ROFL
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cliffedwards
Feb 2, 2017 12:42pm
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} You got it ROFL
Oh..Dont go..
It gets better..

"He is a self-proclaimed expert .."

And better.. ROFL

"He almost always makes ridiculous responses,.."

Man.. you couldnt write this stuff.....ROFL
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 12:44pm
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Oh..Dont go.. It gets better.. "He is a self-proclaimed expert .." And better.. ROFL "He almost always makes ridiculous responses,.." Man.. you couldnt write this stuff.....ROFL
You know so much stuff cliffedwards
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 12:54pm
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Quoting cliffedwards
Never mind Moley... LoL All in good fun.. Youll aways be "Cuddley Old Penford" from now on for me... Have a good evening..
As always cliffedwards, you have all the facts ROFL
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 1:50am
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Please google the word "estimate". Reports that estimate things for the xenophobic among us abound on the internet. It is called click bait. It is amazing that the original immigrants to the Americas are now trying to keep other immigrants out of America is a bit ironic. I am definitely a liberal because I am not a lying hypocrite. Most right wingers seem to forget their history.
Of course it is an estimate, it has to be. No one has a truly accurate figure on the number of illegal immigrants in the USA.

And are the Swedish women lying about being raped or is it lies that the migrants from the Middle East follow a religion whose beliefs are contrary to the core values of the USA. I have not seen anywhere in the US constitution where murder, rape, religious intolerance, hate preaching, child marriages, marriage between close relations, FGM, forced marriages, male female segregation, gay hatred, subjugation of women are acceptable. Please point them out to me if you can. Or are you saying that these are just cultural traits that should be embraced by the USA?
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goldfinger
Feb 3, 2017 3:37am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Of course you must be right, nearly 7000 Swedish women have got it wrong. Have fun fun with your new friends, they have some wonderful cultural ditties. I think it is about time you did your own research, if you can bring yourself to do it.
you do enjoy talking out of your bottom dont u? did you congratulate your mate Akin?
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 3:43am
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Quoting goldfinger
{quote} you do enjoy talking out of your bottom dont u? did you congratulate your mate Akin?
Before you make a fool of yourself, please re read the thread and then explain what I have said that is incorrect
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goldfinger
Feb 3, 2017 3:52am
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using7000 people as evidence. there was a time when most people believed earth was flat. Is it flat? Talmud says Jews can rape , murder and take property of goyim by force, I wont use Talmud as evidence as I dont know how to interpret Talmud.
Quran says there is no compulsion in religion so Muslims cant blow people up because of their religion according to their religious book.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 3:55am
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Quoting goldfinger
using7000 people as evidence. there was a time when most people believed earth was flat. Is it flat? Talmud says Jews can rape , murder and take property of goyim by force, I wont use Talmud as evidence as I dont know how to interpret Talmud. Quran says there is no compulsion in religion so Muslims cant blow people up because of their religion according to their religious book.
God you are dumb. Here is the report in my original comment.

One of the most liberal countries in Europe, Sweden (where less than 25% of rapes are reported), is now number two on the list of rape countries, surpassed only by Lesotho in Southern Africa. The liberal Swedish courts have demonstrated sympathy for the rapists, and have acquitted suspects who have claimed that the girl wanted to have sex with six, seven or eight men. Here, read it for yourself https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/5195/sweden-rape
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 4:10am
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Quoting smikester
{quote} So, immigrants are a new form of Schroedinger's Theorom, by stealing our jobs and simultaneously costing us money by claiming benefits? You are spouting jizz. And I'm waiting for your hero, that prick Pat Condell, to warn immigrants of the current state of the Christian church - ongoing physical abuse of children allegations in the Church of England and historical ones of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church. Not to mention what's going on in football... And you are on shifting sands Devauxt, mentioning hate preaching. You are a hate preacher,...
No hate here at all. Intolerant of intolerance more like.

And for the record, I have a dislike for all religions , which have the cause of unspeakable atomicities around the World for centuries

Just in case you missed this one - Rotherham child abuse scandal: 1,400 children exploited, report finds http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 4:12am
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Quoting smikester
{quote} Don't put the onus on us. Answer my questions. Or go.
Get off your arse and do your own research.

Only an idiot believes the dominant religion of the Middle East to be a race. A little research would have helped you there.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 4:16am
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Quoting smikester
I think you should know, back on trading, that I made good money yesterday and today, shorting the Pound. While you are wasting your time trolling.
Hey snap smikester, I did too. It was good wasn't it?
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 4:18am
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Quoting goldfinger
you did not answer my question about what you will do when American women are raper in the name of legit rape. Practice what you preach.
Your talking Sh1t3. You might want to rephrase in English
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SickOfScam
Feb 3, 2017 4:28am
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Quoting smikester
{quote} We don't want or need to explain anything to you. You should have got the message by now. How many of your posts are about trading? How many as a percentage? And how many are about race hate? It's time for you to go.
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cliffedwards
Feb 3, 2017 4:45am
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Quoting verv
{quote} How many of his posts are race hate? Would be interesting if you could point out which ones are considered race hate, and get some numbers together.
More importantly.. what are his credentials as a trader or would-be trader on a Trader Website.
"Not here to teach?"??????
Not here to LEARN either.
So WTF IS HE HERE TO DO?
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 4:50am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} More importantly.. what are his credentials as a trader or would-be trader on a Trader Website. "Not here to teach?"?????? Not here to LEARN either. So WTF IS HE HERE TO DO?
We so look forward to your sanctimonious condescending comments. I'm sure many in here are in awe of you glowing shiny sphincter, but not me
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cliffedwards
Feb 3, 2017 4:50am
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Quoting verv
{quote} That's not how it works. Why would I attempt to prove a claim that I never made? You made that claim, and I'm asking you to back that claim up. It is about your credibility, it is about having the appropriate evidence to form that opinion, do you have any of either?
@Smirkster needs no test of his credibility. Or of his trading credentials.
You and @IGNORED have plied a menu of bickering, and argumentation here that in ten years of FF membership Ive not seen before.
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SickOfScam
Feb 3, 2017 4:50am
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smikester, cliff and the others if you continue to communicate with Devauxt you'll have all the rabbits on your neck soon(Jen, verv,Exodus... Well, not all, some "special" we have already shot ....
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 4:53am
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Quoting SickOfScam
Devaouxt, that lousy radical activists intentionally provoke and offend traders on this forum. He is betting this character because his intention is to test Ban mechanism on FF {quote}
That is a little rich. Now challenging radicalism makes you a radical activist. I'll leave other to ponder that enlightening comment
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cliffedwards
Feb 3, 2017 4:54am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} We so look forward to your sanctimonious condescending comments. I'm sure many in here are in awe of you glowing shiny sphincter, but not me
So WTF ARE you here to do?
Throw ad hominem abuse?
Propagandize your various Alt-Right political agendas?

You SAF not here to contribute in any way to the spirit and tradition of this Site.
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cliffedwards
Feb 3, 2017 5:03am
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Quoting verv
{quote} I never asked for his trading credentials. I asked to him to demonstrate the number of race hate posts that Dev has made... A person who is credible will attempt to back their posts up with facts. What is common in here is people resorting to soundbites.
What is in common here are a bunch of POLITICAL SPAMMERS with little or no interest in Forex, using these forums to broadcast divisive and distracting socio political agendas.
THATS THE ISSUE.
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SickOfScam
Feb 3, 2017 5:07am
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So Devauxt, why don't you answer on this politely question, instead of provoking?

Quoting jmn5611
{quote} So instead of facebook,
---> why don't you show me where the Quran says that murder, rape, religious intolerance, hate preaching, child marriages, marriage between close relations, FGM, forced marriages, male female segregation, gay hatred, subjugation of women are acceptable.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 5:13am
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Quoting Earleone
{quote} Not sure. I think he is a extreme right wing either confused or pure evil that dont see the consequences of he's misleading propaganda. Complete lack of Empathy. Is using kind of same methods as Goebbels that was Hitlers propaganda minister used in the Nazi regime. I hope he understand that he is contributing to innocent peoples death. ( But actually I dont think he care about that ) What does that make him?
Latvian Internal Affairs Minister Rihards Kozlovskis announced that he will not be attending an emergency meeting of the EU's security ministers in Luxemburg on Monday over the continent's burgeoning refugee crisis, saying his country's government has not been able to come to a consolidated position on taking in additional migrants, Delfi reports.
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jen101
Feb 3, 2017 5:14am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} What is in common here are a bunch of POLITICAL SPAMMERS with little or no interest in Forex, using these forums to broadcast divisive and distracting socio political agendas. THATS THE ISSUE.
So what has this comment thread got to do with trading? And why is FF inviting comments then? This is not just a trading forum. Most of the topics posted in this section have nothing to do with trading.

Just because people do not agree with you does not make them divisive. Whilst you're at it, you might as well throw in racist, xenophobic, Islamist, homophobic...
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cliffedwards
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Quoting RondaRousey
A lot of alternative facts on this thread!
FOR SURE.
I dont have time for this shit. And Im sure neither do you.
However I refuse to allow this great site to be subverted by POLITICAL SPAMMERS with little or no interest in trading ,
Be they Alt-Right or Alt-Left. Alt-News or Alt-Fact.

ENOUGH.
TIME TO END POLITICAL SPAMMING.
Back to Trading.
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jen101
Feb 3, 2017 5:19am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} I dont have time for this shit. However I refuse to allow this great site to be subverted by POLITICAL SPAMMERS with little or no interest in trading , Be they Alt-Right or Alt-Left. Alt0News or Alt-Fact. ENOUGH. TIME TO END POLITICAL SPAMMING. Back to Trading.
Back to twiddling with your pretend money, yay! Fine DEMO account. I guess you alternate that with twiddling with your vegetables.
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cliffedwards
Feb 3, 2017 5:30am
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Quoting SickOfScam
Yes I know,II forgot you, Ross ... WTF is with you people from Rabbit Hole? You are acting like a guerilla here on FF. What's the plan? Perhaps you want to dominate the FF? {quote}
Thats EXACTLY the agenda.
The only reason I waste my time in responding to ANY of this BULLSHIT.

STOP POLITICAL SPAMMERS.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 5:36am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Thats EXACTLY the agenda. The only reason I waste my time in responding to ANY of this BULLSHIT. STOP POLITICAL SPAMMERS.
Yeah right cliffedwards. You just get your jollies from watching SoS, smikester and barkie and co, bow before the glow from your shiny sphincter ROFL
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jen101
Feb 3, 2017 5:39am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Yeah right cliffedwards. You just get your jollies from watching SoS, smikester and barkie and co, bow before the glow from your shiny sphincter ROFL
You know he has yellow stars around that sphincter!
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SickOfScam
Feb 3, 2017 5:46am
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So Devauxt, why don't you answer on this politely question, instead of provoking?

Quoting jmn5611
{quote} So instead of facebook,
--->why don't you show me where the Quran says that murder, rape, religious intolerance, hate preaching, child marriages, marriage between close relations, FGM, forced marriages, male female segregation, gay hatred, subjugation of women are acceptable. Be mindful that the first five books of the Quran and Bible are the same. ISIS is no more Muslim than the KKK is Christian.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 5:54am
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Quoting SickOfScam
So Devauxt, why don't you answer on this politely question, instead of provoking? {quote}
Don't be so incompetent and lazy, Son of Sam. Get onto Google and do the research yourself. That is spelt G O O G L E.

If reading is not your thing, try this for a starter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU8FI_fehhg&t=67s There is lots of info out there for you to dismiss
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SickOfScam
Feb 3, 2017 6:02am
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And that's your Bible and Quran? Youtube? You radical patient.
BTW I don't know who allowed to put movies as comments, servers are completely blocked.

Quoting Devauxt
{quote} That is spelt ON G O O G L E!?.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 6:20am
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Quoting SickOfScam
And that's your Bible and Quran? Youtube? You radical patient. BTW I don't know who allowed to put movies as comments, servers are completely blocked. {quote}
As I said, do your own research. Don't rely on what I say. If you have the capacity for critical thinking (which I doubt), use it for once. I knew you wouldn't do any research and that is why I provided a link to something simple that you just might understand. But even that is beyond you

Just on a technical note, I posted a link and not a movie.

I'm shocked, There really is not no limit to how dim you can be
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goldfinger
Feb 3, 2017 6:28am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Don't be so incompetent and lazy, Son of Sam. Get onto Google and do the research yourself. That is spelt G O O G L E. If reading is not your thing, try this for a starter https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU8FI_fehhg&t=67s There is lots of info out there for you to dismiss
Lindsay Lohan has converted to Islam, go and talk to her. She will sort your batty out. You wont be talking out of your batty anymore batty boy.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 6:29am
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Quoting verv
Isn't it interesting, that people like: @SickofScammer @Cliff @smikester ...when their hypocrisy is highlighted, or when proof is asked when they make a claim of the other guy being a 'racist' that they simply lock up shop and ignore. {quote} You are top 3 'POLITICAL SPAMMERS'
Isn't that the truth

Oh hell, you and I are probably in trouble for tell the uncomfortable truth again
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 6:31am
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Quoting goldfinger
{quote} Lindsay Lohan has converted to Islam, go and talk to her. She will sort your batty out. You wont be talking out of your batty anymore batty boy.
And that proves, if proof were needed, there is no accounting for stupidity, but hey, get me her number and I'll have a try.

There is lots of information out there around this subject. Don't just take cliffedwards word or my word for it. Do your own research and apply critical thinking. Grow a pair and form you own opinion
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jen101
Feb 3, 2017 6:33am
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Quoting goldfinger
{quote} Lindsay Lohan has converted to Islam, go and talk to her. She will sort your batty out. You wont be talking out of your batty anymore batty boy.
Lily Allen next.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 6:41am
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Quoting goldfinger
when you mate Akin legit rapes you up your batty we will give you high five with a shit lump on your head.
I sorry goldringstinger, I'm not sure of the point you are trying to communicate?
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 7:11am
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Quoting verv
{quote} I don't think I will be in trouble lol. You on the other hand, haha. But it's very obvious that if you do get in trouble, then the @thescammer and @Cliff should also be falling on their swords too.
It seems that only the fluffy liberals are entitled to a view in here. If you have conservative and right minded views, apparently you are deemed a racist and a political spammer, simply because your facts get in the way of the their perceived version of reality.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 7:23am
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Quoting SickOfScam
{quote} We do not let that some "political rookies" here accusing Muslims in general, and constant injury EU citizens called us fascists !! ENDE! {quote}
And there we are. The comment we have all been waiting for. One flacid insult and One generalisation. That's really deep and meaningful Son of Sam. Keep up the good work
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 9:08am
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Don't expect anything other than youtube videos and conspiracy sites. They cannot show where these things are approved because they are not in the book. It's always the same.
Yeah yeah jmn5611, I've yet to see you provide any supporting evidence for anything even youtube.

I was concerned that Son of Sam would over tax himself having to read a whole load of facts, but if you think he is up to it, here is more in-depth background into the countries that are on the ban list.

I won't do any more for you, as I think you and him are already far too lazy when it comes to research

1 Yemen Anwar al-Awlaki was an American and Yemeni imam and Islamic lecturer. U.S. government officials allege that he was a senior recruiter and motivator who was involved in planning terrorist operations for the Islamist militant group al-Qaeda (link) al-Awlaki spoke with and preached to three of the alleged 9/11 hijackers who were al-Qaeda members. Awlaki presided at the funeral of the mother of Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist who later e-mailed him extensively in 200809 before the Fort Hood shootings. Awlaki was the mastermind behind Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, who attempted the 2009 Christmas Day (underwear) bombing of an American airliner.

2 Somalia More than 20 people in Minnesota have faced federal charges related to Al Shabaab, an African terror group, with at least 10 more cases related to ISIS. Defendants have usually been detained while awaiting trial, as prosecutors have argued that they remain flight risks and threats to the community. (link)
On November 18, 2013, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California, Issa Doreh was sentenced to ten years in prison for conspiracy to provide material support to terrorist, conspiracy to provide material support to foreign terrorist organization, conspiracy to launder monetary instruments, and providing material support to foreign terrorist organization. Doreh was admitted to the United States as a refugee from Somalia and subsequently obtained a green card and became a citizen.Doreh worked at a money transmitting business that was at the center of the conspiracy, which also involved Ahmed Nasir Taalil Mohamud.
On January 31, 2014, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of California, Ahmed Nasir Taalil Mohamud was sentenced to six years in prison for conspiracy to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization. Mohamud was admitted to the United States as a refugee from Somalia.He worked as a cabdriver in Anaheim, California where he raised money for the terrorist organization Al-Shabaab. According to the Department of Justice, [t]he United States presented evidence that Nasir . . . conspired to provide money to al Shabaab, a violent and brutal militia group that engages in suicide bombings, targets civilians for assassination, and uses improvised explosive devices.
On April 20, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Minnesota, Abdurahman Yasin Daud was charged (along with six others) with conspiracy and attempt to provide material support to ISIS. Daud, a Somalian refugee who came to the United States as a child, and subsequently obtained a green card. Daud and another individual drove from Minnesota to San Diego to attempt to get passports, cross the border into Mexico, and fly to Syria in to join ISIS.
On February 5, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas, Abdinassir Mohamud Ibrahim was sentenced to 15 years in federal prison for conspiring to provide material support to Al-Shabaab, a designated foreign terrorist organization, and for making a false statement in his immigration paperwork.Ibrahim is a native of Somalia who came to the United States as a refugee in 2007 at the age of 22 and subsequently obtained a green card. Ibrahim knowingly lied on his citizenship application and previously lied in his request for refugee status, by falsely claiming that he was of a member of the minority Awer clan in Somalia and subject to persecution by the majority Hawiye clan. Ibrahim was actually a member of the Hawiye clan and not subject to persecution. In fact, according to court documents, Ibrahims family was famous . . . [and] [t]hrough his clan lineage, Ibrahim was related to known Somali terrorists[.] Ibrahim also admitted he lied on his citizenship application by having previously lied on his refugee application by falsely claiming that he had not provided material support to a terrorist group, when he had in fact provided material support in the form of cash to an Al-Shabaab member.
3 Syria An Ohio man traveled to Syria and trained alongside terrorists, then returned to the U.S. with plans to attack a military base or a prison, according to a federal indictment. Abdirahman Sheik Mohamud, a U.S. citizen originally from Somalia, wanted to kill three or four American soldiers execution style, according to the indictment. Attacking the prison was part of a backup plan if that didnt work, the charges said. The indictment also says Mohamuds brother, Abdifatah Aden, fought with Jabhat al-Nusrah, a State Department-designated terrorist group, until he was killed in battle in Syria in June 2014. (link)
On January 7, 2016, in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of California, Aws Mohammed Younis Al-Jayab was charged with providing materially false, fictitious, and fraudulent statements and representations to the United States government. He was separately indicted on March 17, 2016 for attempting to provide material support to acts of violence overseas. Al-Jayab a Palestinian born in Iraq was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2012. According to the criminal complaint, beginning in October of 2012 the very same month he first arrived in the United States Al-Jayab began communicating with numerous individuals about his intention to go to Syria and fight for terrorist organizations.In April 2013, Al-Jayab made multiple statements to another individual (later identified as Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan) regarding his experience handling weapons and killing individuals in Syria. In November 2013, just one year after being welcomed to the United States as a refugee, he traveled to Syria and posted on social media that he was fighting with various terrorist organizations, stating America will not isolate me from my Islamic duty. Only death will do us part.
On February 5, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Missouri, Nihad Rosic was charged with conspiring to provide material support and resources to terrorists, providing material support to terrorists, and conspiring to kill and maim persons in a foreign country. Rosic is a native of Bosnia who sources indicate came to the United States as a refugee, obtained a green card, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship. According to the indictment, Rosic sent funds to terrorists abroad, and attempted to travel to Syria to join terrorists in Syria and Iraq. According to press accounts, Rosic was a truck driver and former mixed martial arts fighter who had previously been charged with endangering the welfare of a child after punching a woman in the face while she held a child, and in a separate incident, was charged with assault after allegedly beating his girlfriend with a belt.
4 Sudan Idaho, Twin Falls Police Chief Craig Kingsbury has confirmed that three boys who were allegedly involved in the rape of a five-year-old girl in Twin Falls were of Iraqi and Sudanese descent. (link) Sudan was designated as a State Sponsor of Terrorism in 1993 due to concerns about support to international terrorist groups. Elements of al-Qaida-inspired terrorist groups remain in Sudan. groups continued to operate in Sudan in 2014 and there continued to be reports of Sudanese nationals participating in terrorist organizations. In 2014, Sudan continued to allow members of Hamas to travel, fundraise, and live in Sudan. In June 2010, four Sudanese men sentenced to death for the January 1, 2008 killing of two U.S. Embassy staff members escaped from Khartoums maximum security Kober prison. (link)
On April 20, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the District of Minnesota, Guled Ali Omar was charged with conspiracy and attempt to provide material support to ISIS. Omar was born in a Kenyan refugee camp, and sources indicate he came to the United States as a refugee when he was a child, obtained a green card, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship. Omar is the younger brother of another indicted fugitive, Ahmed Ali Omar, who left the United States in 2007 to fight for Al-Shabaab. Another one of his brothers, Mohamed Ali Omar, was convicted in March of 2015 of threatening federal agents when they came to the familys residence to interview Guled Omar. During a press conference, U.S. Attorney for the District of Minnesota, Andy Luger, said that Omar never stopped plotting, and had previously attempted to leave the United States.
On January 29, 2015, in the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, a federal warrant was unsealed for the arrest of Liban Haji Mohamed for allegedly providing material support to Harakat Shabaab Al-Mujahidin, also known as Al-Shabaab and Al-Qaeda.Mohamed is a native of Somalia who sources indicate came to the United States as a refugee, obtained a green card, and subsequently applied for and received citizenship. He is believed to have left the United States on July 5, 2012, with the intent to join Al-Shabaab in East Africa. Mohamed previously lived in the Washington, D.C. area and worked as a cab driver, and is believed to have snuck across the border to Mexico after being placed on the no-fly list. Carl Ghattas, Special Agent in Charge of the FBIs Washington, D.C. Field Office emphasized the importance of locating Mohamed, because he has knowledge of the Washington, D.C. areas infrastructure such as shopping areas, Metro, airports, and government buildings . . . [t]his makes him an asset to his terrorist associates who might plot attacks on U.S. soil.
5 Iraq The discovery in 2009 of two al Qaeda-Iraq terrorists living as refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky who later admitted in court that theyd attacked U.S. soldiers in Iraq prompted the bureau to assign hundreds of specialists to an around-the-clock effort aimed at checking its archive of 100,000 improvised explosive devices collected in the war zones, known as IEDs, for other suspected terrorists fingerprints. (link) An ABC News investigation of the flawed U.S. refugee screening system, which was overhauled two years ago, showed that Alwan was mistakenly allowed into the U.S. and resettled in the leafy southern town of Bowling Green, Kentucky.
On February 18, 2015, Al-Hazmah Mohammed Jawad was arrested as he attempted to board a flight to Jordan to join and fight with ISIS in Iraq. Jawad was admitted to the United States in 2013 as an Iraqi refugee and he subsequently obtained a green card. Jawad was charged with making a false statement to U.S. government officials.He also stated that he had been to the shooting range and had been running to get in shape and prepare for his upcoming travels, and that a uniform was waiting for him in Iraq.
On January 7, 2016, in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Texas, Omar Faraj Saeed Al Hardan was charged in an indictment with attempting to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization, making false statements, and attempting to procure citizenship or naturalization unlawfully. The indictment states that he attempted to provide training, expert advice and assistance, and personnel specifically himself to a terrorist organization. Al Hardan a Palestinian born in Iraq was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2009, and obtained a green card in 2011. When applying to become a U.S. citizen, he knowingly responded, certified, and swore untruthfully that he was not associated with a terrorist organization when, in fact, he associated with members and sympathizers of ISIS throughout 2014. During an interview in October 2015, Al Hardan falsely represented that he had never received any type of weapons training, when in fact he had received automatic machine gun training. According to media accounts, Al Hardan told his wife I will go to Syria. I want to blow myself up. . . . I am against America.
On May 25, 2016, in the U.S. District Court for the Northern District of Texas, Bilal Abood was sentenced to four years in prison for making a false statement to the FBI. Abood, an Iraqi translator for the U.S. military, was admitted to the United States through the Special Immigrant Visa program for Iraqi translators in 2009, and subsequently became a citizen. Abood enlisted in the Army and went through basic training at Fort Jackson in 2010, but left for unknown reasons. According to court documents, after being prevented from boarding an international flight, Abood told FBI agents that he intended to go to Iraq to visit family.Subsequently, Abood left the United States through Mexico and then traveled through various countries to get to Syria to join ISIS. A subsequent search of his computer revealed that he pledged an oath to the leader of ISIS, despite denying that he had ever made such a pledge.
On January 29, 2013, in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Kentucky, Waad Ramadan Alwan was sentenced to 40 years in federal prison, followed by a life term of supervised release for a number of offenses related to terrorism. Alwan is a native of Iraq who was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2009. According to the Department of Justices press release, Alwan, whose fingerprints were found on an unexploded IED found in Iraq, pleaded guilty earlier in the case on December 16, 2011, to all counts of a 23-count federal indictment. He pleaded guilty to conspiring to kill U.S. nationals abroad; conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction (explosives) against U.S. nationals abroad; distributing information on the manufacture and use of IEDs; attempting to provide material support to terrorists and to AQI; and conspiring to transfer, possess, and export Stinger missiles. (emphasis added). During the investigation, while unwittingly working with an FBI informant, Alwan drew diagrams of roadside bomb models and boasted about attacks on American troops in Iraq.In a discussion with an FBI informant, Alwan allegedly said that he was skilled with a sniper rifle, and that his lunch and dinner would be an American [soldier].
6 Iran FBI and DEA agents have disrupted a plot to commit a significant terrorist act in the United States tied to Iran, federal officials told ABC News today. The officials said the plot included the assassination of the Saudi Arabian ambassador to the United States, Adel Al-Jubeir, with a bomb and subsequent bomb attacks on the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Washington, D.C. Bombings of the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Buenos Aires, Argentina, were also discussed, according to the U.S. officials. U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said in an announcement today that the plan was conceived, sponsored and was directed from Iran by a faction of the government and called it a flagrant violation of U.S. and international law. The U.S. is committed to holding Iran accountable for its actions, Holder said. (link)
On January 29, 2013, in the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Kentucky, Mohanad Shareef Hammadi was sentenced to life in prison for a number of offenses related to terrorism. Hammadi is a native of Iraq who was admitted to the United States as a refugee in 2009. According to the Department of Justices press release, Hammadi pleaded guilty on August 21, 2012, to a 12-count superseding indictment. Charges against him included attempting to provide material support to terrorists and to AQI; conspiring to transfer, possess, and export Stinger missiles; and making a false statement in an immigration application.
7 Libya A U.S. citizen was among nine killed when gunmen stormed a luxury hotel in the Libyan capital of Tripoli on Tuesday, a senior State Department official said. The attack on the Corinthia Hotel, which sits along the Mediterranean Sea, triggered an hours-long standoff that ended when two assailants set off a grenade that killed them, officials said. Four foreigners and five guards were killed in the attack. The State Department official didnt provide additional details. (link) There is no current central government in Libya.
♦ President Obama puts six month ban on Iraqi refugees in 2011 and media. crickets.
♦ President Trump puts 120 day suspension on Syrian refugees 2017 media explodes.
♦ Obama selects 7 countries for enhanced visa security policy and media crickets.
♦ Trump uses Obama law, same Obama DHS policy, and same 7 countries; for a 90-day visa suspension and media explodes.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 9:20am
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} That is not what I asked. You get an F for Failure to Comprehend. Where in the QURAN does it say that murder, rape, incest, and all the other things you speak of are approved??? I am trying really hard not to call you stupid.
Come on dip541t, get off your arse and do a little work yourself,

Please feel free to call me stupid, I won't be offended. I have a mutual admiration for you

OK, now this is the last time I will help you. One more link http://thereligionofpeace.com/pages/myths/index.aspx
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Devauxt
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} And you have yet to demonstrate( no one ever has) that ISIS is connected to the tenets of the Quran in any way.
Is it any wonder that Trump won, when fluffy liberals like you come out with guff like that. You Hilary and the rest of you intolerance apologists handed it to him on a plate. Middle America rightly thought you pinky's are clueless
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 10:38am
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Okay, it's official. You are stupid. You are stupid because you castigate two billion people for the actions of a few hundred. You are stupid because you do not know one word of the Quran. You are stupid because you drink that conspiracy kool aid. We havea comedian here in the USA, that says, you can't fix stupid. But you have have an advocate in the White House,...
Look dip541t, there are 1.2bn followers of that sect and intelligence agencies around the world believe that between 15 and 25% are radical followers. You do the maths

I could care less what someone of your intelligence thinks of me.

You have claimed that I and others cannot back our views and then when we do, you throw insults instead of researched and reasoned counter argument. Unlike some of the other right minded individuals in here, you have provided not a shred of supporting evidence for your views. Your fluffy liberal cliches won't work here.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 11:12am
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Yeah. Middle America did not vote that clown show in. James Madison saw this coming. That was the reason for the EC. That is too much for you especially if you are not from the states. Suffice it to say, he never anticipated an ignorant electorate. The stupids have the floor, lets see what they do with the place. {quote} And you still have NOT shown anyone where it says in the QURAN, about you claims of murder and rape. Until you show me a Sura that advocates that, you are just another xenophobic troll who know nothing of what they speak....
I cannot hep it you are not prepared to read the research

Really, this is the very last time I'll cover for your laziness in research https://davidiqbalkarim.wordpress.co...-in-the-quran/
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 12:27pm
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Quoting cliffedwards
It begs the question as to whether we should we consider treating YOU as a potential terrorist and subject YOU to the same or similar blanket place-of_birth prejudice simply because you are Irish born?
Just wondering? .
On terrorism (from any faction, religion, sect or nation) my position is clear, it has no place in society and only cowards engage in it.

As to the nationality thing, you have all you are going to get but vastly more interesting than you could ever imagine
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cliffedwards
Feb 3, 2017 12:44pm — Edited
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The Irish have been wrongly for decades stigmatized by the terrorism and excesses of the few.
A kind gentle and civilized people they have been stigmatized by the RightWing fringe and Middle England in my country (UK) in the past as terrorists, because of the excesses and inhumanity of the few.
All of which gives me pause in stigmatizing any race, nationality creed or culture on a blanket basis.
I am no apologist for radical Islam. Nor underestimate their threat to Western Christian/secular society. But I see them simply as expressing the same excesses as Christianity did centuries ago in the Inquisition, tolerance of slavery, denial of women's rights and other draconian intolerance's and to our modern eyes.. entirely disgusting policies. If there is a problem it lies in the fact that radical Islams intolerance for peaceful diversity social cohesion in the early 21 Century is as retarded as that of Christianity some decades/centuries ago.
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cliffedwards
Feb 3, 2017 1:26pm
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Quoting Sniper2000
This video is especially for you Cliff. lol. http://mashable.com/2017/02/03/swiss...k#7WDTrlkj0iqY Have a good weekend all
Good laugh.. Thanks mate.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 1:43pm
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} BULLSHIT... Like most people here Im not interested in your personal narrative. I want to know whether we as British people should apply the same blanket prejudice to YOU, and YOUR Country of Birth that you advocate for Muslims, .
Well cliffedwards, since you don't have all the facts and I'm not about to give them to you, I can't possibly answer that question, or that might give the game away
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Devauxt
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Answer the fkucing question. Im NOT INTERESTED nor is anyone else in your narrative.. Or in your "debating" techniques.. You are being JUDGED HERE on your answers.. Not by me but by every member and guest who reads this thread. ONLY whether you consider you should be treated on the same blanket basis as an Islamic migrant that because of your place of birth should be regarded as a potentially serious terrorist threat to MY country.
Judged by you, Oh please jedward, don't make me laugh. I am happy to be judged by my peers, but you don't make that grade and neither does your posse of bed-wetters. Sanctimonious condescending indignation really is a good look on you
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jen101
Feb 5, 2017 9:01am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} ? @jen101, Really. This isnt a medical self-help forum. Im sorry you appear have such personal familiarity with this problem. Incontinence can be a problem for women of your age, and we all sympathize. But I hardly think FF is the place to share your experiences. Still less project them on others. If it continues to be a problem for you..you can find help here. http://www.health.com/health/gallery...457139,00.html
Ah hello Cliff! So not ignoring me then You must be constantly fighting with that ego of yours! Who said anything about incontinence? But you, old dear, have verbal incontinence!
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Devauxt
Feb 5, 2017 10:06am
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} The only bed wetters I ever see are the Trumpkins. Scared of every thing, all of the time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba18U3Fx1pE
The interesting thing about your comment is that you see yourself included in jedwards posse ROFL
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 2:42am
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Quoting smikester
{quote} I would be. By vilifying entire religions, countries and groups using clips from media - copied and pasted pages, you expect us to be impressed? You have the nerve to call it research and pretend we don't know what you are doing.
I have yet to see you provide any analysis or research in support of you assertions. I have though, seen plenty of evidence of you shooting your mouth off with no supporting material at all. I'll leave it to the audience to judge for themselves
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 3:17am
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Quoting smikester
Here's an assertion for you, Devauxt. You mentioned woolly minded liberals in one of your posts. I prefer the term "rational, thinking, educated people". Not the type of person who lashes out almost indiscriminately if they are hurt. Even if they get the urge to do that. As you know, this type of person is often easily bullied or worn out by idiocy. I don't elevate myself above you or anyone else by categorising myself as this kind of person. Let me say I am just observing you. I don't need to post facts to support my arguments. Like you,...
I'm pleased for you
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 3:56am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} So lets let the audience judge this.. You my Irish friend, (wanabe UKIP Brit) have supported in this thread toxic blanket allegations,rightly or wrongly, against Islamic migrants and suspicion of their potential for terrorism.. Perhaps you would like to justify your own position as a migrant, in MY country, in terms of the continued threat of Irish terrorism to my country. Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk. Because they are Irish born? Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?.
I refer to the answer I gave earlier
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 4:15am
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Let me remind everyone of what that "ANSWER you "refer" to was?

Quoting Devauxt
{quote} On terrorism (from any faction, religion, sect or nation) my position is clear, it has no place in society and only cowards engage in it. As to the nationality thing, you have all you are going to get but vastly more interesting than you could ever imagine
That was NOT an answer .. its a statement.
I asked you a QUESTION.

"Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk. Becasue of the very real threat of Irish Terrorism to MY country? Because they are Irish born? Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?."

This isnt PMQ.
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 4:30am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I have answered your question earlier and it is as much as you are going to get. You seem to want to alter the the debate to something you think might be have an upper hand on, in the same way that you tried to divert the Brexit debate (at its outset) away from the mainstream of chat here in FF in your typical duplicitous way. As to your righteous, sanctimonious, condescending indignation, I refer you to the answer I gave earlier
B*llox. Mate.
You still have NOT ANSWERED. You made a STATEMENT.
Everyone here can see the dodge. Dont play pretend PMQ here.

This is not about advantage/upper hand.. its about INTEGRITY.
Its about YOUR INTEGRITY.

Answer the question.
"Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk. Becasue of the very real threat of Irish Terrorism to MY country? Because they are Irish born? Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?."
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 4:34am
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Quoting Earleone
{quote} I think very many has the potential to become terrorists if pushed enough and dont see other possibility's and hate is strong enough. See what happened during world war 2 when Nations did war crimes against each other ( Germany, UK, USA and more with them was bombing civil targets it is a war crime and a terror action too. And it was not for the reason that enemy was using human shields hiding behind some hospital or school. It was from pure hate and revenge and to destabilize moral and both parts did ) Atomic bombs in Japan was also IMO...
Yes.
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 4:43am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} B*llox. Mate. You still have NOT ANSWERED. You made a STATEMENT. Everyone here can see the dodge. Dont play pretend PMQ here. This is not about advantage/upper hand.. its about INTEGRITY. Its about YOUR INTEGRITY. Answer the question. "Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk. Becasue of the very real threat of Irish Terrorism to MY country? Because they are Irish born? Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?."
No, it is true. You established a separate thread away from the mainstream news and debate, at the outset of the Brexit debate, to stifle opinion in support of Brexit. You claimed to be non partisan in your views and as we all know now, you have a totally biased view of the EU. It is not that I or anyone deny you your view, for that in itself is always welcome, it is the duplicitous strategy which you employed to repress more public debate on Brexit.

It is your integrity which should be questioned as it seems dishonesty is something of a "second nature" to you
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 5:02am
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Quoting devauxt
{quote} no, it is true. You established a separate thread away from the mainstream news and debate, at the outset of the brexit debate, to stifle opinion in support of brexit. You claimed to be non partisan in your views and as we all know now, you have a totally biased view of the eu. It is not that i or anyone deny you your view, for that in itself is always welcome, it is the duplicitous strategy which you employed to repress more public debate on brexit. It is your integrity which should be questioned as it seems dishonesty is something of a...
troll strategy: Redirect

Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} b*llox. Mate. You still have not answered. You made a statement. Everyone here can see the dodge. Dont play pretend pmq here. This is not about advantage/upper hand.. Its about integrity. Its about your integrity. Answer the question. "should mrs may.. A la trump.. Apply a blanket ban on irish folk. Becasue of the very real threat of irish terrorism to my country? Because they are irish born? Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?."
answer the question..
Resorting to insults does not change this.
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 5:11am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote}. it is the duplicitous strategy which you employed to repress more public debate on Brexit. It is your integrity which should be questioned ...
Address your accusations on the thread to which you refer.
You will receive a comprehensive rebuttal.

Right here. Right Now..
Its your failure to answer thats the issue..

Answer the question.
"Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk. Becasue of the very real threat of Irish Terrorism to MY country? Because they are Irish born? Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?."
YES or NO.
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 5:15am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Address your accusations on the thread to which you refer. You will receive a comprehensive rebuttal. Right here. Right Now.. Its your failure to answer thats the issue.. Answer the question. "Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk. Becasue of the very real threat of Irish Terrorism to MY country? Because they are Irish born? Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?." YES or NO.
I have provided response to this in the past. Read your own threads if you are that interesed
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 5:27am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I have provided response to this in the past. Read your own threads if you are that interesed
You have NOT answered.
You Continue NOT to answer
You continue to try REDIRECT.. REFERAL and personal insult.

Answer the question.

"Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk. Becasue of the very real threat of Irish Terrorism to MY country? Because they are Irish born? As YOU are. Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?."
YES or NO.
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SickOfScam
Feb 6, 2017 5:30am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} No, it is true. You established a separate thread away from the mainstream news and debate, at the outset of the Brexit debate, to stifle opinion in support of Brexit. You claimed to be non partisan in your views and as we all know now, you have a totally biased view of the EU. It is not that I or anyone deny you your view, for that in itself is always welcome, it is the duplicitous strategy which you employed to repress more public debate on Brexit. It is your integrity which should be questioned as it seems dishonesty is something of a...
Hey Devauxt, do you feel all pleased with yourself now? Do you have that warm feeling that only you know about? Warm and wet trickling down your legs? Feels good, doesn't it?
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 5:33am
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Quoting SickOfScam
{quote} Hey Devauxt, do you feel all pleased with yourself now? Do you have that warm feeling that only you know about? Warm and wet trickling down your legs? Feels good, doesn't it? 1
that not fair. This is not a medical Forum.
Not a fair place to raise the issue of members incontenence issues.
Not Respectful.
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 5:39am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} You have NOT answered. You Continue NOT to answer You continue to try REDIRECT.. REFERAL and personal insult. Answer the question. "Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk. Becasue of the very real threat of Irish Terrorism to MY country? Because they are Irish born? As YOU are. Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?." YES or NO.
Look numbnuts, I have answered the question you just don't like the answer
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SickOfScam
Feb 6, 2017 5:40am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} that not fair. This is not a medical Forum. Not a fair place to raise the issue of members incontenence issues. Not Respectful.
HeHe..I'm just quoting a "young" poet
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 5:52am
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Quoting Ross88
{quote} NO is the answer Irish folk as you put it do not support the IRA in the some percentage that the Islamic world supports or sympathisers with Jihad we all know a quick google search will prove this but still a good attempt at being intellectually dishonest cilff
Just popped in to answer the question your buddy is unable to?
Weve had REDIRECT? - weve had REFERRAL? weve had Personal abuse?
And Now we get.. BUDDY SUPPORT? Answering FOR YOU?


@Devauxt.. Stop HIDING..
Answer the question...

"Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk. Becasue of the very real threat of Irish Terrorism to MY country? Because they are Irish born? Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?."
YES or NO.
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 5:55am
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RECAP..
Heres the original full post.. that REMAINS UNANSWERED.

I cannot but wonder at your enthusiasm on this subject.
That of potential terrorism threats to our security.
While you my Irish friend, have filled this thread with allegations rightly or wrongly, against Islamic migrants and suspition of their potential for terrorism..perhaps you would like to justify your own position in terms of the continued threat of Irish terrorism in my country.

I refer you to this article from May last year.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...d-bomb-attacks

Extract:
There is a severe threat of terrorist attacks on police in Northern Ireland by dissident republican groups, a higher level than MI5s warning last week of a substantial risk of a New IRA bomb in Britain, the Observer has learned.One of those groups has acquired a stock of the deadly explosive semtex, security sources say.
Rank-and-file police officers in the region are on a high state of alert as the three main hardline republican paramilitary groups target them for assassination. With the security forces dealing with a 40% increase in bomb alerts in the province, the Police Federation for Northern Ireland says the terrorist threat is now severe the highest threat rate."

It begs the question as to whether we should we consider treating YOU as a potential terrorist and subject YOU to the same or similar blanket place-of_birth prejudice simply because you are Irish born?
Just wondering?
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Stu Effex
Feb 6, 2017 6:09am
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Quoting smikester
{quote} There are a lot of points there Stu. Let me just say this. You are wasting your time addressing these points with me, because our immigration policy or the family habits of British Muslims is not what I am questioning. Even though I find your attitude offensive I am questioning the sense of a blanket travel ban on (some) countries with predominantly Muslim populations which Trump has tried to enforce. That's what the thread is about. You said: "Please don't respond with claims of racism, xenophobia it really has been flogged to death."...
I know it is about the travel ban but it has morphed and the issues raised are in support of why I would also like to see such a ban coming out of the UK government. So you find my attitude offensive, why ? So it is offensive that I have an opinion, that I present a legitimate view on how I see the erosion of our own cultural identity because of imbeciles who take offense at every legitimate point that is raised. I believe the breeding habits of Catholics is no cause for concern as they don't have an agenda to convert the whole world to catholicism, do you see the stupidity in raising such a point ? Offensive will be when the muslim population you care so much for force you to convert and accept Islam or accept death. I suggest the latter but that's just my opinion.
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Quoting Ross88
{quote} when was he racist and how exactly was he caught out are you guy's not racist by expecting one Irish guy to defend the whole of Ireland??
Read this...
Quoting cliffedwards
The Irish have been wrongly for decades stigmatized by the terrorism and excesses of the few. A kind gentle and civilized people they have been stigmatized by the RightWing fringe and Middle England in my country (UK) in the past as terrorists, because of the excesses and inhumanity of the few. All of which gives me pause in stigmatizing any race, nationality creed or culture on a blanket basis. I am no apologist for radical Islam. Nor underestimate their threat to Western Christian/secular society. But I see them simply as expressing the same excesses...
Im asking him to justify his support for sectarian blanket national judgement on Muslim migrants and visitors when he himself is a Migrant in my country, and a Migrant from a country where terrorists from HIS country represent a huge and tangible threat to my fellow countrymen. Including YOU.
Im asking whether he would support a similarly indiscriminate judgement if applied to HIM?
And NO ANSWER.
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 6:47am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Read this... {quote} Im asking him to justify his support for sectarian blanket national judgement on Muslim migrants and visitors when he himself is a Migrant in my country, and a Migrant from a country where terrorists from HIS country represent a huge and tangible threat to my fellow countrymen. Including YOU. Im asking whether he would support a similarly indiscriminate judgement if applied to HIM? And NO ANSWER.
Thank you jedward, the depth and girth of the hole you have dug is indeed impressive.

There is a fundamental flaws with the basis of your question regrading terrorists from Ireland. They are in fact British terrorists as 99% of the perpetrators are and have been, British subjects and British passport holders. Might I also point out these British subjects carried out atrocities on both sides of the political divide, Republican and Loyalist. Legally, I could see some difficulty in the UK Government banning British citizens from the UK, but maybe you are more up on the law than me in that respect.

Unless you forgot, possibly due to amount on time you have no lived in the UK, Ulster or "the North of Ireland" or the six counties if you prefer, is in the United Kingdom and ultimately ruled by the UK Government
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SickOfScam
Feb 6, 2017 6:48am — Edited
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"We trust in Google"! It looks like a new religion. Perhaps a candidate for the next Trump's ban....

Btw, Stu Effex only warns Devauxt that he should not piss against the wind (alone) - than together with other rabbits.
Quoting Ross88
{quote} we all know a quick google search will prove this
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I've yet to see you provide any supporting evidence for anything even youtube.
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Don't be so incompetent and lazy. Get onto Google and do the research yourself. That is spelt G O O G L E.
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SickOfScam
Feb 6, 2017 7:18am
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Quoting Ross88
{quote} yes most people used Google for information do you go to the library instead of using Google??
That's right, we should learn from old trusted authors, not from new "all-knowing wise guy" (as Devauxt) - those who sell their services on Internet.
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 7:20am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Thank you jedward, the depth and girth of the hole you have dug is indeed impressive. There is a fundamental flaws with the basis of your question regrading terrorists from Ireland. They are in fact British terrorists as 99% of the perpetrators are and have been, British subjects and British passport holders. Might I also point out these British subjects carried out atrocities on both sides of the political divide, Republican and Loyalist. Legally, I could see some difficulty in the UK Government banning British citizens from the UK, but...
99% Now thats a really interesting piece of Alt-Fact BS..
Your speciality? So 99% of Irish terrorism is home grown?
Lets FACT CHECK that...

A terrorist is defined under section 40 of the Terrorism Act 2000 as any person who:
Is a member of a proscribed terrorist organisation or incites support for such an organisation;
Is involved with fundraising or money laundering for terrorism;
Participates in or arranges weapons training;
Directs a terrorist organisation;
Possesses any article or collects any information for use in a terrorist act;
Or incites terrorism overseas.

Now.. forget the wriggling.. Get back and answer the question that challenges your blanket principle of applying prejudice against people by nationality/place of birth/ethnicity/religious affiliation...

"It begs the question as to whether we should consider treating YOU as a potential terrorist and subject YOU to the same or similar blanket place-of_birth prejudice simply because you are Irish born?
Just wondering?"
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 7:20am
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Quoting theras2000
{quote} Ok if what you said is true and that is the main reason, how come no ban on Saudi Arabia or Egypt?
Maybe, the relationship between the SA & Egyptian security services and the USA is better and yields more reliable data, thereby enhancing the reliability of the security screening between those nations
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SickOfScam
Feb 6, 2017 7:30am
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Quoting Ross88
{quote}... Trump ban is made on the basis that the ban countries citizens...
NO ONE IS ALLOWED to accuse or punish one (or more) entire nations. This is the essence of this debate. This is also the essence of our civilization after Hitler.... Capeeesh?
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 7:43am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} 99% Now thats a really interesting piece of Alt-Fact BS.. Your speciality? So 99% of Irish terrorism is home grown? Lets FACT CHECK that... A terrorist is defined under section 40 of the Terrorism Act 2000 as any person who: Is a member of a proscribed terrorist organisation or incites support for such an organisation; Is involved with fundraising or money laundering for terrorism; Participates in or arranges weapons training; Directs a terrorist organisation; Possesses any article or collects any information for use in a terrorist act;...
You fact check it if you like
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 8:10am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} You fact check it if you like
I have .
Its B*LLOX.

So back to the question..

"It begs the question as to whether we should consider treating YOU as a potential terrorist and subject YOU to the same or similar blanket place-of_birth prejudice simply because you are Irish born?
Just wondering?"
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 8:16am
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Quoting Sniper2000
This is NOT a Blanket Ban. It is a TEMPORARY BAN of 90 DAYS. IF after the 90 Days the ban continues then all these discussions would be rightfully debated.
Aaah are you incapable of differentiating between SCOPE and DURATION?

This level of mis-comprehension is stupid.
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 8:21am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} I have . Its B*LLIX. So back to the question.. "It begs the question as to whether we should consider treating YOU as a potential terrorist and subject YOU to the same or similar blanket place-of_birth prejudice simply because you are Irish born? Just wondering?"
I happen to know it is not.

As to your "Get back and answer the question". Are you so deluded that you think you have some authority around here?

Your original Question was - "It begs the question as to whether we should we consider treating YOU as a potential terrorist and subject YOU to the same or similar blanket place-of_birth prejudice simply because you are Irish born?"

My Answer - Thank you jedward, the depth and girth of the hole you have dug is indeed impressive.

There is a fundamental flaws with the basis of your question regrading terrorists from Ireland. They are in fact British terrorists as 99% of the perpetrators are and have been, British subjects and British passport holders. Might I also point out these British subjects carried out atrocities on both sides of the political divide, Republican and Loyalist. Legally, I could see some difficulty in the UK Government banning British citizens from the UK, but maybe you are more up on the law than me in that respect.

Unless you forgot, possibly due to amount on time you have no lived in the UK, Ulster or "the North of Ireland" or the six counties if you prefer, is in the United Kingdom and ultimately ruled by the UK Government
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 8:30am
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Quoting Stu Effex
{quote} I think Dev's "TYPE" comes about by sheer frustration. In the UK this has been a slow burner and the pro immigration have been able to use the "RACE" card and other such nonsense as their primary weapon to the extent of locking people up who raise legitimate issue with the levels and type of immigration we have welcomed without consultation or question. The traders here will surely understand the numbers and they don't stack up whichever way they are presented and there have been some pretty creative ways of doing so....
You make points worthy of respect.
However as a trader and analyst, .. can I ask you to to post the projections that result in a UK where Sharia Law adherents become a majority that can change the legal structure that that has so far survived a 1000 years.

A reasonable request in view of the serious implications at the base of your post.
And one that we all as traders used to statistical analysis can quickly affirm.
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 8:52am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I happen to know it is not. As to your "Get back and answer the question". Are you so deluded that you think you have some authority around here? Your original Question was - "It begs the question as to whether we should we consider treating YOU as a potential terrorist and subject YOU to the same or similar blanket place-of_birth prejudice simply because you are Irish born?" My Answer - Thank you jedward, the depth and girth of the hole you have dug is indeed impressive. There is a fundamental flaws with the basis of...
Your response is based on Alt-Fact.
Your representation here as a Brit is bogus.
Your UKIP credentials tick all the boxes
Your personal position is that of a Migrant in MY country
presuming to dictate to us on how we in the UK should manage Migrants, and security ...
Your behavior here is punctuated by consistent personal abuse .

And you recommend blanket prejudice against some migrants on a basis that you think unfair were it to be applied against you.

So let me ask you again..

.. should (we) consider treating YOU as a potential terrorist and subject YOU to the same or similar blanket place-of_birth prejudice simply because you are Irish born?
Just wondering?"
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 9:00am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Your response is based on Alt-Fact. Your representation here as a Brit is bogus. Your UKIP credentials tick all the boxes Your personal position is that of a Migrant in MY country presuming to dictate to us on how we in the UK should manage Migrants, and security ... Your behavior here is punctuated by consistent personal abuse . And you recommend blanket prejudice against some migrants on a basis that you think unfair were it to be applied against you. So let me ask you again.. .. should (we) consider treating YOU as a potential terrorist...
Ask away but as I said earlier "Well cliffedwards, since you don't have all the facts and I'm not about to give them to you, I can't possibly answer that question, or that might give the game away"

Your question was factually incorrect to begin with.

Your original Question was - "It begs the question as to whether we should we consider treating YOU as a potential terrorist and subject YOU to the same or similar blanket place-of_birth prejudice simply because you are Irish born?"

My Answer - Thank you jedward, the depth and girth of the hole you have dug is indeed impressive.

There is a fundamental flaws with the basis of your question regrading terrorists from Ireland. They are in fact British terrorists as 99% of the perpetrators are and have been, British subjects and British passport holders. Might I also point out these British subjects carried out atrocities on both sides of the political divide, Republican and Loyalist. Legally, I could see some difficulty in the UK Government banning British citizens from the UK, but maybe you are more up on the law than me in that respect.

Unless you forgot, possibly due to amount on time you have no lived in the UK, Ulster or "the North of Ireland" or the six counties if you prefer, is in the United Kingdom and ultimately ruled by the UK Government
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 9:01am
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Quoting gat
{quote} Your q is not valid. Ireland is part of GB.
Astonishing...
This really is a WTF moment!

FYI Ireland is NOT part of the UK.
A small Northern part consisting of 6 counties out of 26 counties is.


I REALLY recommend you do NOT involve you self in this conversation.
You clearly have no idea of what being discussed here.
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 9:15am
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Quoting verv
{quote} What fact was specifically Alt-fact? .
That 99% of Irish terrorism in UK is Homegrown .. ie limited and originating solely from within NI.
FACT CHECK that...

A terrorist is defined under section 40 of the Terrorism Act 2000 as any person who:
Is a member of a proscribed terrorist organisation or incites support for such an organisation;
Is involved with fundraising or money laundering for terrorism;
Participates in or arranges weapons training;
Directs a terrorist organisation;
Possesses any article or collects any information for use in a terrorist act;
Or incites terrorism overseas.

Appreciate your interest.. but honestly If you are not entirely familiar with this subject, please dont go further.
To Anyone with personal familiarity with the "troubles".. this is COMPLETE BS.
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 9:25am
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Quoting gat
Corrected my too inclusive error. Now what terrorists threats from the Southern Irish are you talking about? Haven't heard of any attacks since the English stopped abusing them after 400 years. This whole thread is about Trump and immigration policy. I am certainly qualified to add my two cents to that. You love refugees invite a few to live in your house. Don't hand pick them Cliff. Just blindly pick then you can hope they don't rape your wife or daughter. Or son. Or you. Meanwhile sensible people see the results of taking in people from incompatible...
Sorry.. you blew it when you revealed that you didnt even know that Ireland was a independent country.
Not interested in the rest of your fantasies. Nor should anyone else. Sorry.
/EndOf
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 9:33am
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Quoting verv
{quote} The 99% figure is not correct, ...
I think it is you who doesn't have much familiarity with the 'Troubles'.
You are really confusing "virtual reality" - with Personal experience and On -the-Ground Reality.
Google has a lot to answer for. LoL
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 10:33am
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Quoting verv
{quote}. I have SIGNIFICANT knowledge of the Troubles.]
I have significant EXPERIENCE of them.
Thats the difference... buddy.

Youve admitted that @devauxts 99% claim was Bollox.
He Didnt. Alt-Fact.
You asked me a question . I gave you an answer. You cast yourself as an observer.. SAnd you observed
/Endof.
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What your video and dancing dogs have to do with with that is beyond me.


Now all we all waiting for is @devauxts next dodge..
to avoid the question hes been dodging for three days?

having espoused blanket prejudice against one social group as a source of terrorism does he similarly advocate a similar ridiculous reaction to treating all in similar fashion?
In other words.. would he consider it fair if (we) considered treating him (@deveaux,) an Irish Migrant in the UK, pretend Brit and UKIP Wanabe, as a potential terrorist and subject to the same or similar blanket place-of_birth prejudice simply because he is Irish born?
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 10:41am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} I have significant EXPERIENCE of them. Thats the difference... buddy. Youve admitted that @devauxts 99% claim was Bollox. He Didnt. Alt-Fact. You asked me a question . I gave you an answer. You cast yourself as an observer.. SAnd you observed /Endof. . What your video and dancing dogs have to do with with that is beyond me. Now all we all waiting for is @devauxts next dodge.. to avoid the question hes been dodging for three days? having espoused blanket prejudice against one social group as a source of terrorism does he similarly advocate...
I'd give in now and save yourself the embarrassment. I may have been a few % points out, but that is all. However, verv is correct in his assertions.
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 11:01am
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I'd give in now and save yourself the embarrassment. I may have been a few % points out, but that is all. However, verv is correct in his assertions.
TROLL STRATEGY: The Ooops Response. /BUT?

..save ME the embarassment???????????
How Fkucing screwed up ARE you?
Go get psychiatric help mate.

/EndOf

Still not answered the question...

having espoused blanket prejudice against one social group as a source of terrorism do you advocate a similar ridiculous reaction to treating all in similar fashion?
In other words.. would you consider it fair if (we) considered treating you (@deveaux,) an Irish Migrant in the UK, pretend Brit and UKIP Wanabe, as a potential terrorist and subject to the same or similar blanket place-of_birth prejudice simply because you are Irish born?
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 11:11am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} TROLL STRATEGY: The Ooops Response. /BUT? ..save ME the embarassment??????????? How Fkucing screwed up ARE you? Go get psychiatric help mate. /EndOf Still not answered the question... having espoused blanket prejudice against one social group as a source of terrorism do you advocate a similar ridiculous reaction to treating all in similar fashion? In other words.. would you consider it fair if (we) considered treating you (@deveaux,) an Irish Migrant in the UK, pretend Brit and UKIP Wanabe, as a potential terrorist and subject to the same...
When you pose a question based on incorrect facts, you can't expect someone to answer it
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 11:23am
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Quoting SickOfScam
{quote} Hey Devauxt, do you feel all pleased with yourself now? Do you have that warm feeling that only you know about? Warm and wet trickling down your legs? Feels good, doesn't it?
Sorry Son of Sam, I missed this riveting comment from you. The Answer? No. But you do seem to be very familiar with the sensation, based on your comment.
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SickOfScam
Feb 6, 2017 12:12pm
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Hey Devauxt, do you feel all pleased with yourself now? Do you have that warm feeling that only you know about?
I just noticed that the description "of our talented artists," Jen very accurately describes you, and your ridiculous behavior here.
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 12:20pm
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Quoting gat
But Cliff, northern Ireland is a part of GB. You can't simply ignore them. You asked about banning the Irish w/o specifying which. See how easy it is to pick on trivialities? You also want to cling to the UN definition of terrorism. I think normal people are concerned about rapes and murders etc. as well. How about no go zones? That is a glaring and deafening sign the course needs to be reversed.
Final.. with respect..
You know man.. Im outraged by all the same things you are. ISIS , Jihad terrorism. the lot.
Where we differ is on HOW we confront and deal with them.
So Im not living in another world to you? Im just concerned that HOW we and those we elect, deal with it doesnt create even MORE SHIT down the road..

OK Capiche? Same page?

So to your comments on my exchanges with @devauxt...
This member was born in the Republic of Ireland. A different country. from mine..(UK)
Hence the reason for my question.
You got it now?
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 12:36pm
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Quoting verv
{quote} Cliff what experience do you have of NI terrorism? You claimed to have experience and I'm curious to know what that is. Given that I have lived in Northern Ireland for large sections of my life, during the Troubles (my father worked there, my first job was there) I wonder if your experience is greater than mine. Certainly your knowledge of the Troubles is unlikely to be greater than mine. The peace from the PIRA was ratified in 1998 two years before the 2000 terrorist act you are citing. Even today most of the dissident terrorists still...
TROLL STRATEGY: The DRAW
(Draw out adversary to reveal privileged information empowering leverage?)


Like I said you are a nice guy.
You quote the facts claiming "knowledge" but no personal experience?
If you have it.. pray share.
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SickOfScam
Feb 6, 2017 1:59pm
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Quoting verv
You said to me... I asked you ... You replied non nonsensically... All I can say is 1. Cliff made a claim.. 2. I asked him 3. Cliff ignored what I said...
So, what do you want now - divorce?
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 2:12pm
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Look mate.. Dont act stupid.
Monkey see? Monkey Do?
Answer my question? tryto play the trap my totally discredited buddie @dev fell into
ROFL

Get up earlier mate.

No way I disclose personal experience on a very sensitive area .to YOU? TO FF?
You want to play the question game?
Then lets play... You show me your? and Ill show you mine.
You FIRST?

Try to stay ahead of the curve.. That was todays game. Wait till you see tomorrows..
ROFL
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Devauxt
Feb 7, 2017 2:00am
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Quoting smikester
{quote} One of the things I have seen (which I have never seen before on the internet) is how all the racists and xenophobes have had the courage to declare themselves. Still masking it all with alternative truths and hand picked facts, vilifying whole sections of the planet. They can't go far wrong, because those in power are using lies, lies in some cases they don't even know they are telling, like the famous Bowling Green Massacre. Oddly, those in power are also trying to overturn the constitution and so likely not to last long. I hope. And we...
What has amazed me is that so many "right thinking" people have been prepared to stand up and say, they have seen this religion from the Middle East and they don't like what they see. They have seen its intolerance, bigotry, violence, demeaning of women, hatred of gays, along with its other unpalatable and disgusting cultural ditties, its constant victimhood and said "we don't like what we see and don't want it as part of our culture".

It is nether racist or xenophobic to tell the truth
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Devauxt
Feb 7, 2017 2:41am
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Quoting smikester
{quote} Yeah, you are right. I've had Muslims as customers. One of their women forced me to eat samosas one Saturday morning.
Here comes the victimhood again. "i don't like the truth, I is a victim" Good one smegster
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Devauxt
Feb 7, 2017 2:47am
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Quoting Sniper2000
{quote} You ought to have them Muslims as neighbours. They can create a nightmare if they you dont fit into their life style. All I say is beware what you wish for.
I have no issue with that as long as they don't foist their religion (or any religion)and cultural beliefs on me. I don't see how intolerance, bigotry, violence, demeaning of women, hatred of gays, along with its other unpalatable and disgusting cultural ditties plays any part in civilised society. Maybe you think that it does
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EventHorizon
Jan 30, 2017 4:17am
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Quoting Mingary
Please tell me this is a hoax.
Fake News.
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Borg
Feb 1, 2017 11:40pm
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Curious that?
Hello Devauxt:

See my reply to jw1981, post 273
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Borg
Feb 2, 2017 1:29am
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Quoting goldfinger
some people just need a high- five in the head with a chair. he he he
Funniest quote so far goldfinger.

But it sounds too Hitlary to me.
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kravmaga39
Feb 6, 2017 10:22am
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxhGjDyBT30
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piple
Jan 30, 2017 11:09am
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Gentlemen, lets give Trump a chance! It is still too early to crucify him.
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goldfinger
Jan 30, 2017 12:48am
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He wants to distribute wealth and properties of green card holders to white working class people. He is better than Hitler.
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 1:54am
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Quoting jw1981
Curious to know: Why aren't the muslim countries forthcoming in opening the doors to their refugee brothers?
Curious that?
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 2:56am
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Ill-be-back don't forget that "Golden Daddy" has hundreds of rats in"Tower" and they constantly bombard forums and take care that we all are "good" informed
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 3:05am
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Quoting Calculus
Verv, that's a CLASSIC!

Mingary, it's spelled like this -

B-U-S-T-E-D
ROFL
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 3:08am
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"who had heroically helped U.S. forces" - Heroes like Vang Pao
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 3:10am
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Quoting SickOfScam
"who had heroically helped U.S. forces" - Heroes like Vang Pao
Your cryptic English is once again incomprehensible
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 3:21am
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Vang emigrated to the United States in 1975...... for "some" refugees there are always places
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 3:56am
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The Global Terrorism Index

https://www.screencast.com/t/3MoH8LkwsrFO
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 4:16am
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Quoting barkie
DT forgot India please send a mail, dangerous people.
Better records in India, so better background checks can be made
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 4:26am
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Devauxt between you and me are obviously decades - there is no help.
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 5:23am
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Quoting verv
Signed
How does that work since you are a declared US resident trader .
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 8:51am
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Even such an "expert" as you should know that the EU is thinking copy of ERT - which only a few EU politicians want to admit.

Quoting Devauxt
A little EU education...
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SickOfScam
Jan 30, 2017 9:08am
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Devauxt if you don't know what is ERT, then you have no idea about the EU.
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Devauxt
Jan 30, 2017 9:14am
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Quoting SickOfScam
Devauxt if you don't know what is ERT, then you have no idea about the EU.
Never came across it
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cliffedwards
Jan 30, 2017 9:39am
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Quoting SickOfScam
Devauxt if you don't know what is ERT, then you have no idea about the EU.
We ALL know that.
Hasnt stopped his toxic narrative though.
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goldfinger
Jan 30, 2017 10:22am
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I lll be back has done his aborigine hunting trip. even kangaroos wont crap on his keyboard, do i need to say ------------------
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DonFF
Jan 30, 2017 11:20am
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Quoting Devauxt
Careful, the truth is not a common or well accepted currency in here
Your own truth belongs to you and no one else.
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DonFF
Jan 30, 2017 12:14pm
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Quoting Davit
You are not even worthy of response! Idiocy what you posted is self evident.
The world is run by money and money is almost always at the heart of most of our issues.
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goldfinger
Jan 30, 2017 12:39pm
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some people just need a high- five in the head with a chair. he he he
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goldfinger
Jan 30, 2017 3:20pm
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Australia has no proper uni so its obvious aussiland is a breeding ground for dickheads but America has Harvard------------------------------
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zeke_world
Jan 31, 2017 3:55am
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Trump really stamping his foot down. It'll backfire but the question is how much will IT backfire?
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SickOfScam
Jan 31, 2017 6:42am
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Trump is Our Dear Leader of basket of rotten apples. Big Welcome D(ea)R Trump!

Quoting NewtonsCash
Really love the irony in your sentences.
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goldfinger
Jan 31, 2017 11:08am
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Golden shower has the power. Is there a batty shower as Putin has turned batty.
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cliffedwards
Jan 31, 2017 11:17am
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Not one national of any of the banned 7 countries has been responsible for a homeland terrorist attack involving loss of American lives since 2001.

Another Redneck Popularity Policy Scam.
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goldfinger
Jan 31, 2017 12:54pm
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Native Americans dont want white men to be in their land, why dont all white people leave America? Instead whites celebrate thanks giving which is a celebration of rape and murder on native American.
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cliffedwards
Jan 31, 2017 1:32pm
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Quoting Ill-b-back
Oh you mean Obamas' 7 seven countries? yeeeaahh, ain't that strange
I dont recall Obama issuing a travel ban on 7 countries?
When did that happen?
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goldfinger
Jan 31, 2017 6:43pm
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look who is talking.
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Trader#2A22
Feb 1, 2017 3:57am
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suggestion to ff: seeing that some commentators make multiple quotes which misrepresents the total number of quotes, do this: let's say Devauxt makes 20 quotes, then list them as 22, 22.1, 22.2, 22.3, 22.4 .....etc.. then only count all 22.xyz quotes as one quote. in most democracies a voter can only vote once in the same election. multiple quotes by one or more commentators distorts the number of comments.

This would also be in line with the Pareto Principle or 80/20 rule where 20% of the commentators make 80% of the quoutes.
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cliffedwards
Feb 1, 2017 5:05am
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Quoting Ill-b-back
These are the facts.
Look mate I have the facts.
Ive checked the facts.
Ive published my sources.
Dont need your ramblings.
/EndOF
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SickOfScam
Feb 1, 2017 5:41am
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You too, see you around.
Quoting frx_trader
Happy trading, mate
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goldfinger
Feb 1, 2017 1:55pm
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Sometimes closet kkk members come out of the closet without knowing.
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goldfinger
Feb 1, 2017 1:59pm
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what will you lot do when DT passes legit rape law, you mothers, daughters and sisters get raped in the name of legit rape?
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 2:24am
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Quoting Borg
{quote} So funny Devauxt. A nice slam dunk. His name is spelled Mingary but pronounced Moron.
SMACK, Ouch ROFL
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SickOfScam
Feb 2, 2017 3:11am
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What, are we going to let this moron shows his private porn on news channel? Admin?
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 9:26am
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That is unbelievable, what is wrong with Akin?
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 11:51am
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Quoting Mingary
{quote} Indeed THE SWITCH: other wise known as the "Straw man Argument logical fallacy"
Welcome Mingary, you know how I value your input
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cliffedwards
Feb 2, 2017 12:51pm
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Never mind Moley... LoL

All in good fun..
Youll aways be "Cuddly Old Penford" from now on for me...
Have a good evening..
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jen101
Feb 2, 2017 2:05pm
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Quoting Devauxt
{quote} As always cliffedwards, you have all the facts ROFL
LOL, you two are like a couple of old queers.
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Devauxt
Feb 2, 2017 2:37pm
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Quoting jen101
{quote} LOL, you two are like a couple of old queers.
ROFL
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goldfinger
Feb 2, 2017 6:55pm
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lets enjoy life as much as possible. Same sort of people same sort of idea as Hitler. ww3 is on the way
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goldfinger
Feb 3, 2017 2:03am
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wow , How about legit rape? How can rape be legit?
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goldfinger
Feb 3, 2017 2:06am
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In Australia murdering a non white is not a crime.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 4:03am
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} I get my research from actual news sources, not facebook and right wing conspiracy blogs.
I think you have proved that you don't do any research at all
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goldfinger
Feb 3, 2017 4:15am
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you did not answer my question about what you will do when American women are raper in the name of legit rape. Practice what you preach.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 4:19am
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Quoting smikester
{quote} Not now I know that. Time to go, Devauxt.
You have a great day,
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jen101
Feb 3, 2017 4:22am
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Quoting smikester
How many of your posts are about trading? How many as a percentage? And how many are about race hate?
Come on, can we all call a truce here?
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 4:28am
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Quoting smikester
How many of your posts are about trading? How many as a percentage? And how many are about race hate?
I don't post about trading, I'm not here to teach you
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cliffedwards
Feb 3, 2017 4:31am
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Quoting smikester
{quote} You are trolling. Time to go.
Yes.
Time to Go
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goldfinger
Feb 3, 2017 4:40am
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Quoting devauxt
{quote} your talking sh1t3. You might want to rephrase in english
legit rape,rape,rape & rape
your leaders want to introduce.
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SickOfScam
Feb 3, 2017 4:53am
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Quoting smikester
{quote} LOL!
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goldfinger
Feb 3, 2017 6:32am
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when you mate Akin legit rapes you up your batty we will give you high five with a shit lump on your head.
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Devauxt
Feb 3, 2017 6:42am
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Quoting jen101
{quote} Lily Allen next.
Please, Say it is a joke. Don't let me go into the weekend with that hope in my mind. You are so cruel jen101 ROFL
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jen101
Feb 3, 2017 10:31am
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It never is and never was the peaceful majority causing the problems.
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goldfinger
Feb 4, 2017 1:23pm
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2 down more to go he he he
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SickOfScam
Feb 6, 2017 3:47am
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Quoting jmn5611
{quote} They are a sovereign state, so is Iran, the UAE, etc. If they do not bother us, then there is no need to be bothering them.
That's the whole truth.
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 4:22am
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Quoting cliffedwards
Let me remind everyone of what that "ANSWER was? {quote} That was NOT an answer .. its a statement. I asked you a QUESTION. "Should Mrs May.. a la Trump.. apply a blanket ban on Irish folk. Becasue of the very real threat of Irish Terrorism to MY country? Because they are Irish born? Or would you regard that as quite inappropriate as many here would?." This isnt PMQ.
I have answered your question earlier and it is as much as you are going to get. You seem to want to alter the the debate to something you think might be have an upper hand on, in the same way that you tried to divert the Brexit debate (at its outset) away from the mainstream of chat here in FF in your typical duplicitous way.

As to your righteous, sanctimonious, condescending indignation, I refer you to the answer I gave earlier
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 4:35am
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Quoting smikester
{quote} It's a very valid question. You can not skirt round it. But you are trying to. ..... Resorting to insults does not change this.
Yes
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Devauxt
Feb 6, 2017 5:10am
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Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} troll strategy: Redirect {quote} answer the question.. Resorting to insults does not change this.
Fake offence at your duplicity won't wash in here
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cliffedwards
Feb 6, 2017 6:29am
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Quoting Stu Effex
Dev you are pissing in the wind mate,
Why is everybody suggesting that @devauxt is incontenent?
It is quite unfair.
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goldfinger
Feb 6, 2017 8:24am
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Look at our own DT called Nigel who has been stealing money in the name of expense even though he does not even live with his wife.

Batty boy response would be "oh whats wrong NF"
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