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    From nytimes.com

    President Trump’s executive order on immigration indefinitely barred Syrian refugees from entering the United States, suspended all refugee admissions for 120 days and blocked citizens of seven Muslim-majority countries, refugees or otherwise, from entering the United States for 90 days: Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen. The order unleashed chaos on the immigration system and in airports in the United States and overseas, and prompted protests and legal action. Here is a quick guide to what we know and what we don’t know about the order. What We Know The executive order was signed at 4:42 p.m. ... (full story)

  • Post #1
  • Jan 29, 2017 4:27pm Jan 29, 2017 4:27pm
What a show!!!

You are fired!!!!

You impeached.!!!

You....

Bread and circuses!!!
  • Post #2
  • Jan 29, 2017 4:59pm Jan 29, 2017 4:59pm
The start of a massive global chaos.
  • Post #3
  • Jan 29, 2017 6:02pm Jan 29, 2017 6:02pm
the free ride is over in the US...... try Canada . Our leader is an air head Socialist .......
  • Post #4
  • Jan 29, 2017 6:04pm Jan 29, 2017 6:04pm
So what now??
Stocks down. Obviously.

Will euro or dollar go up???

Ideas??
  • Post #5
  • Jan 29, 2017 6:37pm Jan 29, 2017 6:37pm
Quoting Not-KPMG
So what now??
Stocks down. Obviously.

Will euro or dollar go up???

Ideas??
Maybe Euro up ......but sell It on a good bounce ....Good Luck ...
  • Post #6
  • Jan 29, 2017 6:41pm Jan 29, 2017 6:41pm
Quoting Not-KPMG
So what now??
Stocks down. Obviously.

Will euro or dollar go up???

Ideas??
Risk off mode = Strength to USD.

Yeah what a show. What is next? Muslim badges? http://newsexaminer.net/politics/don...muslim-badges/
  • Post #7
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:34am Jan 30, 2017 12:34am
Quoting Earleone
Risk off mode = Strength to USD.

Yeah what a show. What is next? Muslim badges? http://newsexaminer.net/politics/don...muslim-badges/
Please tell me this is a hoax.
  • Post #8
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:40am Jan 30, 2017 12:40am
I am shocked.
No Trump supporters ranting and raving about all this ?
Come on, please explain to us this genius strategy from your Dear Leader.
  • Post #9
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:41am Jan 30, 2017 12:41am
After everything that has transpired anything now seems possible.
  • Post #10
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:57am Jan 30, 2017 12:57am
Quoting Earleone
Risk off mode = Strength to USD.

Yeah what a show. What is next? Muslim badges? http://newsexaminer.net/politics/don...muslim-badges/
I would be interested in seeing a video of Trump saying this.

I'm quite sure it would be highly unconstitutional
  • Post #11
  • Jan 30, 2017 1:04am Jan 30, 2017 1:04am
Quoting Mingary
I am shocked.
No Trump supporters ranting and raving about all this ?
Come on, please explain to us this genius strategy from your Dear Leader.
its easy get rid of the dead wood and let the forest grow
  • Post #12
  • Jan 30, 2017 1:09am Jan 30, 2017 1:09am
Quoting Aussi
its easy get rid of the dead wood and let the forest grow
And later they come for you ....
  • Post #13
  • Jan 30, 2017 1:15am Jan 30, 2017 1:15am
The Republicans are given him enough rope to hang himself while Pence waits his turn.
  • Post #14
  • Jan 30, 2017 1:26am Jan 30, 2017 1:26am
Quoting Earleone
Risk off mode = Strength to USD.

Yeah what a show. What is next? Muslim badges? http://newsexaminer.net/politics/don...muslim-badges/
More Golden showers bollocks, the article headline is a piece of trash.

Trump did not suggest badges or even a database, that was the "suggestive" efforts of a reporter.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/20/op...p-anti-muslim/

But as usual, the critical mass swallow the news headlines hook, line and sinker

No surprises there
  • Post #15
  • Jan 30, 2017 1:41am Jan 30, 2017 1:41am
Quoting Ill-b-back
More Golden showers bollocks, the article headline is a piece of trash.

Trump did not suggest badges or even a database, that was the "suggestive" efforts of a reporter.
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/11/20/op...p-anti-muslim/

But as usual, the critical mass swallow the news headlines hook, line and sinker

No surprises there
Yes ... "it's only a database" (;

"Just so it's clear, Trump did not suggest that Muslim-Americans should be required to wear a symbol that would visibly identify them as Muslims, such as a gold crescent. (On the other hand, he did not rule it out.) "

In addition to their many delusions, the Trumpets also have a bad case of "boiling frog syndrome."
  • Post #16
  • Jan 30, 2017 1:48am Jan 30, 2017 1:48am
He wants to distribute wealth and properties of green card holders to white working class people. He is better than Hitler.
  • Post #17
  • Jan 30, 2017 2:03am Jan 30, 2017 2:03am
Bad and sad for the world.

Good thing is that he has managed to unite most of the leaders in the world against this xenophobic politics ( Also in the US ) . Not much support for it.
  • Post #18
  • Jan 30, 2017 2:21am Jan 30, 2017 2:21am
One only needs to take a look a Mingarys' previous posts regarding the perceived threat of the spread of Islam to know HIS true position on the matter

  • Post #19
  • Jan 30, 2017 2:29am Jan 30, 2017 2:29am
Quoting Ill-b-back
One only needs to take a look a Mingarys' previous posts regarding the perceived threat of the spread of Islam to know HIS true position on the matter

Your Glorious Leader will cure the disease and kill the patient.
  • Post #20
  • Jan 30, 2017 2:39am Jan 30, 2017 2:39am
😖 so bad
  • Post #21
  • Jan 30, 2017 2:47am Jan 30, 2017 2:47am
Curious to know: Why aren't the muslim countries forthcoming in opening the doors to their refugee brothers?
  • Post #22
  • Jan 30, 2017 2:54am Jan 30, 2017 2:54am
Quoting jw1981
Curious to know: Why aren't the muslim countries forthcoming in opening the doors to their refugee brothers?
Curious that?
  • Post #23
  • Jan 30, 2017 2:57am Jan 30, 2017 2:57am
Quoting Mingary
I am shocked.
No Trump supporters ranting and raving about all this ?
Come on, please explain to us this genius strategy from your Dear Leader.
I think the basics of his strategy are sound, but initial implementation was poor.
  • Post #24
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:01am Jan 30, 2017 3:01am
Quoting Mingary
I am shocked.
No Trump supporters ranting and raving about all this ?
Come on, please explain to us this genius strategy from your Dear Leader.
No need to rant or rave, looks a great decision to me.

Trump is starting to get tough, just as he was elected to do.

And of course the laughs keep on coming as the King of Cucks (Chuck Schumer) starts to cry at a press conference. Shocking behaviour that from a politician.

Inserted Video
  • Post #25
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:03am Jan 30, 2017 3:03am
I guess, there is nothing to take...
Quoting jw1981
Curious to know: Why aren't the muslim countries forthcoming in opening the doors to their refugee brothers?
  • Post #26
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:08am Jan 30, 2017 3:08am
Being Australian, he is not MY leader and I certainly don't think he is Glorious, and it seems neither does anyone else.
In fact, the ONLY person on these forums I see refering to Trump as "Glorious"

is Mingary...

  • Post #27
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:13am Jan 30, 2017 3:13am
The "clouds of unreason" are getting bigger and darker.
And, they have found their lighting rod.
The world is preparing for war
  • Post #28
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:16am Jan 30, 2017 3:16am
You forgot the trumpets which constantly "explain" to us what their "Golden Daddy" actually wanted to say ...
Quoting Ill-b-back
Being Australian, he is not MY leader and I certainly don't think he is Glorious. In fact the ONLY person on these forums I see refering to Trump as "Glorious" is Mingary...
  • Post #29
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:20am Jan 30, 2017 3:20am
I haven't called him 'Glorious' yet. Certainly a Great Man but not yet glorious. Perhaps after the first 100 days, let's see.

Whatever the case I doubt there's one Trump voter that would change their minds about how they voted. But I would think there are countless non-Trump voters saying 'hold on, I'm beginning to like what's he's doing'...
  • Post #30
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:22am Jan 30, 2017 3:22am
Quoting Mingary
The "clouds of unreason" are getting bigger and darker.
And, they have found their lighting rod.
The world is preparing for war
Or, Someone has had the gonads to stand up and say, we know where most of the terrorists, hate preachers and extremists are emanating from, let's do some proper checks before we invite them into our country
  • Post #31
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:29am Jan 30, 2017 3:29am
Quoting SickOfScam
You forgot the trumpets which constantly "explain" to us what their "Golden Daddy" actually wanted to say ...
With ridiculous "news" headlines such as that in the linked article, it's clear what he wants to say is simply twisted by the media anyway.

No?
  • Post #32
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:31am Jan 30, 2017 3:31am
Quoting Devauxt
Or, Someone has had the gonads to stand up and say, we know where most of the terrorists, hate preachers and extremists are emanating from, let's do some proper checks before we invite them into our country
Oh no that would be racist, extreme, fascism...

Lol....

European terrorist attacks are a classic example of the results of a free for all policy...
  • Post #33
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:33am Jan 30, 2017 3:33am
... or let's bomb Iran and send five million more refugees to Europe....

Quoting Mingary
The "clouds of unreason" are getting bigger and darker.
And, they have found their lighting rod.
The world is preparing for war
  • Post #34
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:33am Jan 30, 2017 3:33am
And people speak like databases are a NEW,Extreme measure lol...

Please....
  • Post #35
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:37am Jan 30, 2017 3:37am
Rats from "Tower" must make their crumbs - meaning they "still explaining"....
Quoting Ill-b-back
With ridiculous "news" headlines such as that in the linked article, it's clear what he wants to say is simply twisted by the media anyway.
No?
  • Post #36
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:42am Jan 30, 2017 3:42am
Quoting SickOfScam
Rats from "Tower" must make their crumbs - meaning they "still explaining"....
I rarely understand you and now is no exception...
  • Post #37
  • Edited at 4:48am Jan 30, 2017 3:50am | Edited at 4:48am
Quoting Mingary
I am shocked.
No Trump supporters ranting and raving about all this ?
Come on, please explain to us this genius strategy from your Dear Leader.

Mingary said here http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...im#post7980291
"Yes "fed up", as in massive deportation of all muslim extremists from the civilized democratic world back to the stone age regions of the earth where they belong.
Where they can lop off as many heads and beat as many women as they wish.
Many muslims are now heavily practicing taqiyya when asked about this event, when actually what they are doing is this: Koran 9:29: Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah"
  • Post #38
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:56am Jan 30, 2017 3:56am
Ill-be-back don't forget that "Golden Daddy" has hundreds of rats in"Tower" and they constantly bombard forums and take care that we all are "good" informed
  • Post #39
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:57am Jan 30, 2017 3:57am
Verv, that's a CLASSIC!

Mingary, it's spelled like this -

B-U-S-T-E-D
  • Post #40
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:58am Jan 30, 2017 3:58am
Quoting Mingary
And later they come for you ....
YEH RIGHT , and guess what
  • Post #41
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:00am Jan 30, 2017 4:00am
where were all these protesters when in 2009 Obama banned refugees from Iraq from entering the country for a period of 6 months

"As a result of the Kentucky case, the State Department stopped processing Iraq refugees for six months in 2011, federal officials told ABC News – even for many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qae...ry?id=20931131

Its the hypocrisy that pisses me off.



Quoting Calculus
Verv, that's a CLASSIC!

Mingary, it's spelled like this -

B-U-S-T-E-D
well if you are going to sling mud, expect others to dig up dirt.
  • Post #42
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:05am Jan 30, 2017 4:05am
Quoting Calculus
Verv, that's a CLASSIC!

Mingary, it's spelled like this -

B-U-S-T-E-D
ROFL
  • Post #43
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:08am Jan 30, 2017 4:08am
"who had heroically helped U.S. forces" - Heroes like Vang Pao
  • Post #44
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:10am Jan 30, 2017 4:10am
Quoting SickOfScam
"who had heroically helped U.S. forces" - Heroes like Vang Pao
Your cryptic English is once again incomprehensible
  • Post #45
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:13am Jan 30, 2017 4:13am
Quoting SickOfScam
Ill-be-back don't forget that "Golden Daddy" has hundreds of rats in"Tower" and they constantly bombard forums and take care that we all are "good" informed
No, it's clearly the media rats that bombard these forums with spectacular headlines they obviously pull from their arses that ensure we are all "well" informed....
  • Post #46
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:17am Jan 30, 2017 4:17am
....the CIA and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) supplied the region’s opium and heroin dealers with arms, ammunition, transportation of food supplies, buildings and “humanitarian aid”, in exchange for mercenary forces or political leverage. These dealers included the Kuomintang (KMT or Nationalist Chinese) on the Chinese border, Hmong tribesmen in Laos led by narcotics trafficker ----> Vang Pao...
  • Post #47
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:21am Jan 30, 2017 4:21am
Vang emigrated to the United States in 1975...... for "some" refugees there are always places
  • Post #48
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:27am Jan 30, 2017 4:27am
Quoting SickOfScam
....the CIA and the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) supplied the region’s opium and heroin dealers with arms, ammunition, transportation of food supplies, buildings and “humanitarian aid”, in exchange for mercenary forces or political leverage. These dealers included the Kuomintang (KMT or Nationalist Chinese) on the Chinese border, Hmong tribesmen in Laos led by narcotics trafficker ----> Vang Pao...
Thanks for the History lesson, but what is the message you are trying to communicate? None of us posses the skills of a clairvoyant or psychic
  • Post #49
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:52am Jan 30, 2017 4:52am
Quoting SickOfScam
Vang emigrated to the United States in 1975...... for "some" refugees there are always places
7 countries have been targeted by the Trump Ban.
None of which were involved in 9/11.. and whos citizens have had little or no aprticipation in terror attacks since 2001.
None of which Trump business enterprises have any investment. (4)

Why no ban on Saudia Arabia/Pakistan/Egypt/Gulf States?
Everyone with the faintest familiarity with the subject knows that this is the reality.
Its is factions in these countries that are financing the terrorists

Of about 400 individuals charged with or credibly involved in jihad-inspired activity in the U.S. since 9/11, just under half (197) were U.S.-born citizens, according to research by the nonpartisan think tank New America Foundation. An additional 82 were naturalized citizens, and 44 were permanent residents.

I just dont understand such disjointed policy decisions.
  • Post #50
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:56am Jan 30, 2017 4:56am
The Global Terrorism Index

https://www.screencast.com/t/3MoH8LkwsrFO
  • Post #51
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:00am Jan 30, 2017 5:00am
Stick to the point....
NO REDIRECTION

Of about 400 individuals charged with or credibly involved in jihad-inspired activity in the U.S. since 9/11, just under half (197) were U.S.-born citizens, according to research by the nonpartisan think tank New America Foundation. An additional 82 were naturalized citizens, and 44 were permanent residents.

I just dont understand such disjointed policy decisions.
  • Post #52
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:09am Jan 30, 2017 5:09am
Quoting Devauxt
The Global Terrorism Index

https://www.screencast.com/t/3MoH8LkwsrFO
DT forgot India please send a mail, dangerous people.
  • Post #53
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:15am Jan 30, 2017 5:15am
Trump can see what is happening in Europe and doesn't want any of that either. Merkel has allowed terrorists, hate-preachers, rapists, paedophiles into Europe in the guise of immigrants and refugees which Trump can see and recognise on a daily basis.

Why would he not want to stop this sort of detritus entering the USA? It is right and proper that he takes a stance and implements serious vetting from this region.

He may not have done it in the best way, but he unafraid of addressing the real issues
  • Post #54
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:16am Jan 30, 2017 5:16am
Quoting barkie
DT forgot India please send a mail, dangerous people.
Better records in India, so better background checks can be made
  • Post #55
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:17am Jan 30, 2017 5:17am
Wang Pao was also one of those "who had heroically helped U.S. forces"(verv), but such "heroes" usually find their way to the USA.
As an "experienced general", he quietly sold "Asian fast food" later in the USA.
  • Post #56
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:17am Jan 30, 2017 5:17am
Quoting Mingary
Please tell me this is a hoax.
Fake News.
  • Post #57
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:19am Jan 30, 2017 5:19am
Quoting SickOfScam
Wang Pao was also one of those "who had heroically helped U.S. forces"(verv), but such "heroes" usually find their way to the USA.
As an "experienced general,"later he quietly sold "Asian fast food" in the USA.
Still clueless as to the point you are trying to make. Get some help
  • Post #58
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:25am Jan 30, 2017 5:25am
It's way too much to ask from the trump enthusiasts to be Anti-Islamism and Anti-Bullshit at the same time.
  • Post #59
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:26am Jan 30, 2017 5:26am
Devauxt between you and me are obviously decades - there is no help.
  • Post #60
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:28am Jan 30, 2017 5:28am
Quoting SickOfScam
Devauxt between you and me are obviously decades - there is no help.
I am sure that you are trying to post some sort of insult. Convert it into intelligible English and at least let everyone enjoy it, not just you.
  • Post #61
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:39am Jan 30, 2017 5:39am
Back to the back of the queue, you Trump haters.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
  • Post #62
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:41am Jan 30, 2017 5:41am
The world's biggest criminals enjoy US protection, on the other hand they accuse poor refugees on the road (fault USA too) for "terrorism".

Quoting cliffedwards
Stick to the point.... NO REDIRECTION

Of about 400 individuals charged with or credibly involved in jihad-inspired activity in the U.S. since 9/11, just under half (197) were U.S.-born citizens, according to research by the nonpartisan think tank New America Foundation. An additional 82 were naturalized citizens, and 44 were permanent residents.
I just dont understand such disjointed policy decisions.
  • Post #63
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:44am Jan 30, 2017 5:44am
On that basis... can one say ..
What a pity then that the UK government, didnt take a similar sanction against Irish people following the IRAs 1984 attempt to assassinate Maggie Thatcher and half the UK government in Brighton?
  • Post #64
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:44am Jan 30, 2017 5:44am
Quoting Mingary
It's way too much to ask from the trump enthusiasts to be Anti-Islamism and Anti-Bullshit at the same time.
On the contrary, it's not too much to ask at all.
In fact, a number of us have pointed out, posted and commented on YOUR version of extreme anti Islam "bullshit" measures right here on this forum.
I'll have to take you off ignore, the material is just too much fun.
  • Post #65
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:46am Jan 30, 2017 5:46am
Quoting barkie
Back to the back of the queue, you Trump haters.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928

Over a MILLION in just a weekend?
At that rate ..be 2+ million by end of week.

Maybe we should have a referendum?

LoL
  • Post #66
  • Jan 30, 2017 6:19am Jan 30, 2017 6:19am
Quoting IGNORED
I am sure that you are trying to post some sort of insult. Convert it into intelligible English and at least let everyone enjoy it, not just you.
@IGNORED.. I note you continue your little tactic of making fun of and abusing contributors with less English competence than your Irish (CBS) education provided to you?
I would think that Ireland is well rid of you. Though why my country England/UK should have to entertain you masquerading as one of US REAL Brits, , is beyond me.
  • Post #67
  • Jan 30, 2017 6:20am Jan 30, 2017 6:20am
Quoting barkie
Back to the back of the queue, you Trump haters.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/171928
Signed
  • Post #68
  • Jan 30, 2017 6:23am Jan 30, 2017 6:23am
Quoting verv
Signed
How does that work since you are a declared US resident trader .
  • Post #69
  • Jan 30, 2017 6:40am Jan 30, 2017 6:40am
I really like our rabbits ...

Quoting cliffedwards
@IGNORED.. I note you continue your little tactic of making fun of and abusing contributors with less English competence than your Irish (CBS) education provided to you?
I would think that Ireland is well rid of you. Though why my country England/UK should have to entertain you masquerading as one of US REAL Brits, , is beyond me.
Quoting cliffedwards
How does that work since you are a declared US resident trader .
  • Post #70
  • Jan 30, 2017 6:42am Jan 30, 2017 6:42am
Remember Trump lovers, on eBay you can get THE greatest photo of the year 2016: Trump + Farage all grins and giving the thumbs up. Cost in the UK is about £6.

I've got mine, placed it in a nice frame and it's proudly hanging on my wall.

Every time I look at it, it brings a smile to my face.
  • Post #71
  • Edited at 7:48am Jan 30, 2017 6:52am | Edited at 7:48am
OK Devauxt, I'll try. So, if you were born in Afghanistan, your task would be to collect the camel dung around the desert.
But you're lucky you're born Irishman - so you can "teach" us Brexit and "you-understandable English."


Quoting Devauxt
I am sure that you are trying to post some sort of insult. Convert it into intelligible English and at least let everyone enjoy it, not just you.
  • Post #72
  • Jan 30, 2017 6:55am Jan 30, 2017 6:55am
Quoting SickOfScam
I really like our rabbits ...
Thanks your comment..
BUT Im not taking this forward on the basis that you are right or wrong.. or that I agree with any of your opinions.
Im bringing it forward because I HATE BULLSHIT.
I hate MOB Rule.
And I HATE SCAM ARTISTS.. and Masqueraders.
Ive unmasked one here.. and would like to unmask more.

FF created a great site for retail traders to exchange views and systems.
The News Channel forum here however has become a playground for slogan touting, propaganda projecting people who have in many cases made little no contribution or shown any interest in the trading forums on the FF site.

Ive been subscriber here for over 10 years.
What I see here is unedifying.
I think its Time for FF to clean the swamp.
  • Post #73
  • Edited at 7:56am Jan 30, 2017 7:12am | Edited at 7:56am
Same here. There are some things where we disagree.
BTW there are also "members" who have thousands of posts and none of them are related to trading.
Quoting cliffedwards
FF created a great site for retail traders to exchange views and systems.
The News Channel forum here however has become a playground for slogan touting, propaganda projecting people who have in many cases made little no contribution or shown any interest in the trading forums on the FF site.

Ive been subscriber here for over 10 years.
What I see here is unedifying.
I think its Time for FF to clean the swamp.
  • Post #74
  • Jan 30, 2017 7:19am Jan 30, 2017 7:19am
Quoting cliffedwards
How does that work since you are a declared US resident trader .
Declared by whom, my profile? Do you also think my real name is verv?

I take my personal anonymity very seriously, some of that includes deliberate misdirection in case there is anyone snooping.
  • Post #75
  • Jan 30, 2017 7:31am Jan 30, 2017 7:31am
Quoting verv
Declared by whom, my profile? Do you also think my real name is verv? I take my personal anonymity very seriously, some of that includes deliberate misdirection in case there is anyone snooping.
I dont give a flying fkuc who you are mate..
But you are saying you NOT resident in the USA?
NOT a US citizen? Not an American?
  • Post #76
  • Jan 30, 2017 7:58am Jan 30, 2017 7:58am
Quoting cliffedwards
I dont give a flying fkuc who you are mate..
But you are saying you NOT resident in the USA?
NOT a US citizen? Not an American?
...clearly the ambiguity is exactly what I'm after ;-)
  • Post #77
  • Jan 30, 2017 8:02am Jan 30, 2017 8:02am
Quoting cliffedwards
Thanks your comment..
BUT Im not taking this forward on the basis that you are right or wrong.. or that I agree with any of your opinions.
Im bringing it forward because I HATE BULLSHIT.
I hate MOB Rule.
And I HATE SCAM ARTISTS.. and Masqueraders.
Ive unmasked one here.. and would like to unmask more.

FF created a great site for retail traders to exchange views and systems.
The News Channel forum here however has become a playground for slogan touting, propaganda projecting people who have in many cases made little no contribution or...
That probably is the only way you could limit opinion to the one that matches your.

You refer to others as Masqueraders, yet you are guilty of the same, pretending to want the debate about Brexit and claiming to be unbiased in your view and as we all know, that was an untruth.

But in good old EU style, when cliffedwards does not get the answers he wants to kill the debate "I think its Time for FF to clean the swamp"
  • Post #78
  • Jan 30, 2017 8:06am Jan 30, 2017 8:06am
America started a war against so called extremisms in Middle east and other Muslim countries now USA got an extremist/racist president themselves. I really feel bad for liberal and innocent Americans....
  • Post #79
  • Jan 30, 2017 8:07am Jan 30, 2017 8:07am
Quoting Ill-b-back
On the contrary, it's not too much to ask at all.
In fact, a number of us have pointed out, posted and commented on YOUR version of extreme anti Islam "bullshit" measures right here on this forum.
I'll have to take you off ignore, the material is just too much fun.
"Number of us"?
Is this some sort of conspiracy ?
Names please ...
  • Post #80
  • Jan 30, 2017 8:16am Jan 30, 2017 8:16am
Quoting Devauxt
"I think its Time for FF to clean the swamp"
a self proclaimed toll wants to clean the swamp some people really are bozozs
  • Post #81
  • Jan 30, 2017 8:17am Jan 30, 2017 8:17am
Quoting JaleesHacker
America started a war against so called extremisms in Middle east and other Muslim countries now USA got an extremist/racist president themselves. I really feel bad for liberal and innocent Americans....
"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"

Trump may have gone about it like a "bull in a china shop", but other than that, he is doing what he promised. The fluffy liberals have achieved nothing and done nothing for years
  • Post #82
  • Jan 30, 2017 8:19am Jan 30, 2017 8:19am
W/o reading all the posts so far I say it is a start. For those shocked at the ban you should research the history of bans on immigration to the US. Not one of the 6.7 billion non American citizens on the planet has the right to enter uninvited or to stay longer than allowed. Same as a guest to your house. For each ban it has been for what seemed good reason at the time. It is not rational to invite 10 in when there is a history of some of the previous 10 being enemies and a danger to the citizens. I would go further than Trump has. Just noticing the post above which shows a lack of knowledge of both present and historical events. Those liberal Americans are also protected by the immigration ban. About time we have a pro America president. Every nation should have a leader looking out for them first.
  • Post #83
  • Jan 30, 2017 8:28am Jan 30, 2017 8:28am
Quoting Mingary
"Number of us"?
Is this some sort of conspiracy ?
Names please ...

Oh yes @mingery.. lest lance this TOXIC BOIL!
I sure as hell dont agree with all you post mate..
But I respect your opinions.
I respect your depth of thinking that shows you an educated man.
When you are at your most controversial.. and I most disagree, I can still see the philosophical under -pinning to even your most apparently daft posts.
I cannot extend that respect to many others here.
Either when I agree or disagree with their sentiments.

The problem here, as in many aspect of business.. was summed up by Mark Twains advise over 100 years ago..

“Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” .... and theres always the danger that "onlookers may not be able to tell the difference.”
  • Post #84
  • Jan 30, 2017 8:33am Jan 30, 2017 8:33am
" fluffy liberals have achieved nothing and done nothing for years"

Happily for them DT has now GUARANTEED that their wildest dreams will now come true.
By overstepping so spectacularly he has triggered exactly the indignation and kickback that their agenda failed to energise for years.

The Game is Chess. Not Snap.
  • Post #85
  • Jan 30, 2017 8:35am Jan 30, 2017 8:35am
Could you please define "Triumph of Evil" and "Good Men Do Nothing"? Something that can not be used by all f**king radicals of this world.

Quoting Devauxt
"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing"
  • Post #86
  • Jan 30, 2017 8:38am Jan 30, 2017 8:38am
Quoting SickOfScam
Could you please define "Evil" and "Good Men Do Nothing"?Something that can be used by all f**king radicals of this world.
Evil = Anything that the AngloIrish Branch of the Neo- Nazsty party doesnt agree with..
Good Men.. The boys in the Black/Brown Shirts.
  • Post #87
  • Jan 30, 2017 8:42am Jan 30, 2017 8:42am
Quoting cliffedwards
" fluffy liberals have achieved nothing and done nothing for years"

Happily for them DT has now GUARANTEED that their wildest dreams will now come true.
By overstepping so spectacularly he has triggered exactly the indignation and kickback that their agenda failed to energise for years.

The Game is Chess. Not Snap.
And to play the game of Chess you have to move the pieces, forfeit a few key players and pawns in order to win. Watching to board won't get the game played. You should stick to Snap
  • Post #88
  • Jan 30, 2017 8:58am Jan 30, 2017 8:58am
[quote=Devauxt;9497962]And to play the game of Chess you have to move the pieces, forfeit a few key players and pawns in order to win..../quote]

Forfeiting key players and pawns arent your problem Mate..
Its Forfeiting INTEGRITY for Ideology.
Loyalty and pride in your truely great country of origin to interference in the affairs of my country.
  • Post #89
  • Jan 30, 2017 9:09am Jan 30, 2017 9:09am
[quote=cliffedwards;9498036]
Quoting Devauxt
And to play the game of Chess you have to move the pieces, forfeit a few key players and pawns in order to win..../quote]

Forfeiting key players and pawns arent your problem Mate..
Its Forfeiting INTEGRITY for Ideology.
I have never know the keeping of an election promise to represent "Forfeiting INTEGRITY"

Trump said he was going to implement extreme vetting and that was one of his key promises in the election campaign. He may have gone about it like a "Bull in a China Shop", but the policy is as promised
  • Post #90
  • Jan 30, 2017 9:12am Jan 30, 2017 9:12am
It comes not only from these idiots! I mean, it's funny that all the f*cking radicals (Islamic, Orthodox, Erdogan, nazis, populists...) using the exact same rhetoric to cause chaos - all over the world.
"The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing" - what a piece of BS.

Quoting cliffedwards
Evil = Anything that the AngloIrish Branch of the Neo- Nazsty party doesnt agree with..
Good Men.. The boys in the Black/Brown Shirts.
  • Post #91
  • Jan 30, 2017 9:35am Jan 30, 2017 9:35am
Quoting SickOfScam
It comes not only from these idiots! I mean, it's funny that all the f*cking radicals (Islamic, Orthodox, Erdogan ...) using the exact same rhetoric to cause chaos - all over the world.
A little EU education for the dim of mind

Walter Funk
Hans Josef Globke
Paul Henri Spaak
Prince Bernhard
Theodor Heuss
Kurt Kiesinger
Walter Hallstein
Alfred Toepfer
Alcide De Gasperi

What have they all in common? They were all founding fathers of the EU

And a little less know interesting fact, all were Nazi, SS, Fasicist members or collaborators,

Careful where you use you "Brown Shirt" sh1t3. It is closer to home than you realise
  • Post #92
  • Jan 30, 2017 9:51am Jan 30, 2017 9:51am
Even such an "expert" as you should know that the EU is thinking copy of ERT - which only a few EU politicians want to admit.

Quoting Devauxt
A little EU education...
  • Post #93
  • Jan 30, 2017 9:55am Jan 30, 2017 9:55am
Quoting SickOfScam
Even such an "expert" as you should know that the EU is thinking copy of ERT - which only a few EU politicians want to admit.
When you get time, please translate into English
  • Post #94
  • Jan 30, 2017 9:55am Jan 30, 2017 9:55am
Quoting jw1981
Curious to know: Why aren't the muslim countries forthcoming in opening the doors to their refugee brothers?
Good question

Starting with Saudi Arabia

For most people religion is just a cover
  • Post #95
  • Jan 30, 2017 10:02am Jan 30, 2017 10:02am
[quote=Devauxt;9498117]
Quoting cliffedwards

I have never know the keeping of an election promise to represent "Forfeiting INTEGRITY"

Trump said he was going to implement extreme vetting and that was one of his key promises in the election campaign. He may have gone about it like a "Bull in a China Shop", but the policy is as promised
He didn't promise to be a bull in China Shop even though he conducted his campaign like one. I guess the optimist among us was thinking otherwise.

He seem hell bent on keeping some dumb Campaign promises even if those promises get in the way of his oath to protect the constitution!

Keep going this way and he will be nixed faster than Nixon.
  • Post #96
  • Jan 30, 2017 10:04am Jan 30, 2017 10:04am
Quoting Mingary
"Number of us"?
Is this some sort of conspiracy ?
Names please ...
You can read the names for yourself, they are listed above.

Ok here, I will help you out.

Ill-b-back , Verv, Calculus, Devauxt

Not sure why I had to point them out when it's all so clear above, but there you go.
  • Post #97
  • Jan 30, 2017 10:08am Jan 30, 2017 10:08am
Devauxt if you don't know what is ERT, then you have no idea about the EU.
  • Post #98
  • Jan 30, 2017 10:10am Jan 30, 2017 10:10am
Quoting cliffedwards
Over a MILLION in just a weekend?
At that rate ..be 2+ million by end of week.

Maybe we should have a referendum?

LoL
Smart.. and you want a good trade deal with USA? At this rate you will be put on the banned list and locked out of both EU and American markets. He has the nuke codes now as well. I wouldn't get him angry his psycho.
  • Post #99
  • Jan 30, 2017 10:14am Jan 30, 2017 10:14am
Quoting SickOfScam
Devauxt if you don't know what is ERT, then you have no idea about the EU.
Never came across it
  • Post #100
  • Jan 30, 2017 10:29am Jan 30, 2017 10:29am
Quoting Devauxt
When you get time, please translate into English
For me the question would be "Why are they not condemned for refusing refuges like everyone else is"....?
  • Post #101
  • Jan 30, 2017 10:35am Jan 30, 2017 10:35am
Quoting mrhigurashi
For me the question would be "Why are they not condemned for refusing refuges like everyone else is"....?
Everyone is afraid of the "world leader"

This beast will cripple the economy of any who dear question it....Just ask Iran
  • Post #102
  • Jan 30, 2017 10:37am Jan 30, 2017 10:37am
Quoting Pip-Miner
Smart.. and you want a good trade deal with USA? At this rate you will be put on the banned list and locked out of both EU and American markets. He has the nuke codes now as well. I wouldn't get him angry his psycho.
No.. I want to continue the successful and profitable trade and customs union with our largest and nearest market.. the EU 27.
Not an "America First" .. BendOver quicky from someone you describe so un-flatteringly?
  • Post #103
  • Jan 30, 2017 10:39am Jan 30, 2017 10:39am
Quoting SickOfScam
Devauxt if you don't know what is ERT, then you have no idea about the EU.
We ALL know that.
Hasnt stopped his toxic narrative though.
  • Post #104
  • Jan 30, 2017 11:03am Jan 30, 2017 11:03am
Looks like the Orange Fool is (for the time being) content with poking the hornet's nest, not making proper steps to eradicate extremism within U.S.

You wanted a mediaeval king- He hasn't disappointed so far.
  • Post #105
  • Jan 30, 2017 11:06am Jan 30, 2017 11:06am
Quoting UnBearybull
Looks like the Orange Fool is (for the time being) content with poking the hornet's nest, not making proper steps to eradicate extremism within U.S.

You wanted a mediaeval king- He hasn't disappointed so far.
Exactly

The shortest route to achieve this is just to resign the job!
  • Post #106
  • Jan 30, 2017 11:16am Jan 30, 2017 11:16am
Quoting cliffedwards
No.. I want to continue the successful and profitable trade and customs union with our largest and nearest market.. the EU 27.
Not an "America First" .. BendOver quicky from someone you describe so un-flatteringly?
Successful and profitable trade and customs union with our largest and nearest market.. the EU 27 but not at the price of being ruled by the EU. The electorate of the UK have never voted for that, even thought that is exactly what was promised https://www.screencast.com/t/FOLhhDms
  • Post #107
  • Jan 30, 2017 11:21am Jan 30, 2017 11:21am
[quote=IGNORED;9499074]Successful and profitable trade and customs union with our largest and nearest market.. the EU 27 but not at the price of being ruled by the EU. The electorate of the UK have never voted for that, even thought that is exactly what was promised.
Doesnt matter what MY country voted for..
Thats whats on offer.
And NOTHING ELSE.
  • Post #108
  • Jan 30, 2017 11:22am Jan 30, 2017 11:22am
I lll be back has done his aborigine hunting trip. even kangaroos wont crap on his keyboard, do i need to say ------------------
  • Post #109
  • Jan 30, 2017 11:29am Jan 30, 2017 11:29am
[quote=cliffedwards;9499104]
Quoting IGNORED
Successful and profitable trade and customs union with our largest and nearest market.. the EU 27 but not at the price of being ruled by the EU. The electorate of the UK have never voted for that, even thought that is exactly what was promised.
Doesnt matter what MY country voted for..
Thats whats on offer.
And NOTHING ELSE.
The difference between you and me is that I think that the UK should be ruled by the UK and UK laws should be set and defined by the UK. You seem happy the be ruled by the Unelected in the EU.

As to what is eventually negotiated, neither of us know
  • Post #110
  • Edited at 11:57am Jan 30, 2017 11:35am | Edited at 11:57am
Quoting IGNORED
Successful and profitable trade and customs union with our largest and nearest market.. the EU 27 but not at the price of being ruled by the EU. The electorate of the UK have never voted for that, even thought that is exactly what was promised https://www.screencast.com/t/FOLhhDms
Doesnt matter what MY country voted for, or was promised, or expected....
Thats whats on offer.
Its WAY beyond that.
We had a deal, with the other 27 nations.
That lead to economic prosperity and success
We have opted OUT.
And its left Our Prime Minister arselicking a self declared "America First" protectionist President desperate for a symbolic trade deal with US to justify and pretend that its all OK. Demeaning and insulting to the UK.
  • Post #111
  • Jan 30, 2017 11:45am Jan 30, 2017 11:45am
Quoting cliffedwards
Doesnt matter what MY country voted for, or was promised, or expected....
Thats whats on offer.
Its WAY beyond that.
We had a deal. That lead to economic prosperity and success
We have opted OUT.
And its left Our Prime Minister arselicking a self declared "America First" protectionist President desperate for a symbolic trade deal with US to justify and pretend that its all OK. Demeaning and insulting to the UK.
When it was the EEC it was not so bad, but the UK electorate never voted for Political integration under the Lisbon Treaty. And as for arselicking, every PM prior to the current one and with the exception of Thatcher has been engaged in that practice with the leaders of the EU and EEC. The EU is the biggest protectionist organisation in history. You are so full of EU twaddle
  • Post #112
  • Jan 30, 2017 11:56am Jan 30, 2017 11:56am
Quoting IGNORED
The EU is the biggest protectionist organisation in history.
Well ..if so.. then the UKs secession at a time that Trumps America appears be heading in a deeply (America First) protectionist direction .. is particularly badly timed?
  • Post #113
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:07pm Jan 30, 2017 12:07pm
Quoting cliffedwards
7 countries have been targeted by the Trump Ban.
None of which were involved in 9/11.. and whos citizens have had little or no aprticipation in terror attacks since 2001.
None of which Trump business enterprises have any investment. (4)

Why no ban on Saudia Arabia/Pakistan/Egypt/Gulf States?
Everyone with the faintest familiarity with the subject knows that this is the reality.
Its is factions in these countries that are financing the terrorists

Of about 400 individuals charged with or credibly involved in jihad-inspired activity in the...
You must be living in a bubble....
Please google Syria Iraq Muslim terrorism to get a clue specially so called "rebels"
  • Post #114
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:09pm Jan 30, 2017 12:09pm
Gentlemen, lets give Trump a chance! It is still too early to crucify him.
  • Post #115
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:12pm Jan 30, 2017 12:12pm
Funny how liberal left feminists embrace Islam in fact one of the idiots actually called Muslim prayer in Women's march rally totally oblivious of Muslim suppression of women,child marriages,genital mutilations,sub human treatment of even suspicion of adulatory and often raped without any punishment and list goes on and on and these morons go to marches and promote this from their comfy western homes.
Amazing world we live in where there is little logic left.Perhaps these idiots should march protecting women from Islam!!!
  • Post #116
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:17pm Jan 30, 2017 12:17pm
Quoting Davit
Funny how liberal left feminists embrace Islam in fact one of the idiots actually called Muslim prayer in Women's march rally totally oblivious of Muslim suppression of women,child marriages,genital mutilations,sub human treatment of even suspicion of adulatory and often raped without any punishment and list goes on and on and these morons go to marches and promote this from their comfy western homes.
Amazing world we live in where there is little logic left.Perhaps these idiots should march protecting women from Islam!!!
Careful, the truth is not a common or well accepted currency in here
  • Post #117
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:18pm Jan 30, 2017 12:18pm
Quoting Davit
Funny how liberal left feminists embrace Islam in fact one of the idiots actually called Muslim prayer in Women's march rally totally oblivious of Muslim suppression of women,child marriages,genital mutilations,sub human treatment of even suspicion of adulatory and often raped without any punishment and list goes on and on and these morons go to marches and promote this from their comfy western homes.
Amazing world we live in where there is little logic left.Perhaps these idiots should march protecting women from Islam!!!
I think we have reached a turning point in the West were the useful idiots/extremely loud minority are being called out on their nonsense and the main stream media have been seen for what they are which is basically liars.
  • Post #118
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:20pm Jan 30, 2017 12:20pm
Quoting Devauxt
Careful, the truth is not a common or well accepted currency in here
Your own truth belongs to you and no one else.
  • Post #119
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:23pm Jan 30, 2017 12:23pm
Quoting DonFF
Your own truth belongs to you and no one else.
Wrong there are objective truths called facts!
  • Post #120
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:25pm Jan 30, 2017 12:25pm
Quoting Ross88
I think we have reached a turning point in the West were the useful idiots/extremely loud minority are being called out on their nonsense and the main stream media have been seen for what they are which is basically liars.
The world has always been run on deception.

The whole systems starting with the education system is based on deception!

Clearly deceived people can only design a system of deceptions.
  • Post #121
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:29pm Jan 30, 2017 12:29pm
Quoting cliffedwards
Well ..if so.. then the UKs secession at a time that Trumps America appears be heading in a deeply (America First) protectionist direction .. is particularly badly timed?
It seems Trump is happy to do a deal with the UK. I don't think has a high opinion of the EU (I'm sure the feeling is mutual)

But on doing a deal with the USA, the UK will

- not have US courts defining our laws
- not be subject to US laws in our own country
- not be told by the US who we can trade with
- not have to pay £350m per year trading club membership
- not be told by the US who we can and cannot eject from the country
- not be told by the US who can and cannot come to our country

To name but a few
  • Post #122
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:35pm Jan 30, 2017 12:35pm
Quoting DonFF
The world has always been run on deception.

The whole systems starting with the education system is based on deception!

Clearly deceived people can only design a system of deceptions.
this make's no sense am sorry donFF but what are you talking about???
  • Post #123
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:37pm Jan 30, 2017 12:37pm
Quoting Ross88
this make's no sense am sorry donFF but what are you talking about???
I dont expect you to make sense of it.

We are on two different page here.

I am dealing in universal laws while your scope is limited to what you have been taught
  • Post #124
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:41pm Jan 30, 2017 12:41pm
Quoting Davit
Wrong there are objective truths called facts!
maybe their is some truth in this last week on here some guy was taking rubbish so I gave he a link in a friendly way that prove he was wrong instead of reading the link which would take less than 2 minutes he refused just to deliberately keep his head in the sand
  • Post #125
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:47pm Jan 30, 2017 12:47pm
Quoting JaleesHacker
America started a war against so called extremisms in Middle east and other Muslim countries now USA got an extremist/racist president themselves. I really feel bad for liberal and innocent Americans....
You must be delusional.Can you demonstrate how Trump is racist.By the way Islam is not a race! On Immigration? Yes we want to have illegal immigration to stop! Is that racism? Tell me idiot how is Trump a racist!We literally have thousands of educated people waiting legally to immigrate to US but we get overrun by illegals crossing the border and that must be stopped! You can't have a country without borders.
  • Post #126
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:48pm Jan 30, 2017 12:48pm
Quoting Davit
Wrong there are objective truths called facts!
As far as you know LOL

Facts is only a word...The victors of wars write the history books some of the sources we are taught to be classified as facts -thats a fake word!

I am stating my own truth not seeking support of anyone in my comments!

Only the words of the Creator of all is true
  • Post #127
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:50pm Jan 30, 2017 12:50pm
Quoting DonFF
I dont expect you to make sense of it.

We are on two different page here.

I am dealing in universal laws while your scope is limited to what you have been taught
Q,I dont expect you to make sense of it.
than why say it I don't tell me dog about forex for the reason that he would not understand me

Q,We are on two different page here.
yes am based in reality that has facts you are based in a non reality were (Your own truth belongs to you and no one else)

Q,I am dealing in universal laws while your scope is limited to what you have been taught
I have seen you deliberately ignore facts that contradict your original conclusion tell me how dose it feel to be dealing in universal laws it must be strong stuff just don't get caught
  • Post #128
  • Jan 30, 2017 12:53pm Jan 30, 2017 12:53pm
Quoting DonFF
As far as you know LOL

Only the words of the Creator of all is true
dropping mad knowledge bombs again but seriously layoff the universal laws
  • Post #129
  • Edited at 1:14pm Jan 30, 2017 12:57pm | Edited at 1:14pm
Quoting Devauxt
It seems Trump is happy to do a deal with the UK. I don't think has a high opinion of the EU (I'm sure the feeling is mutual)
But on doing a deal with the USA, the UK will

1. - not have US courts defining our laws..
yes you will.. you clearly have no idea on the small print in trade contracts.(applicable law)
2. - not be subject to US laws in our own country .. yes you already do in many commercial arrangements. .. and any financial issues certainly will allow US regulatory and legal oversight.
3 - not be told by the US who we can trade with.. nobody tells you that now./Doh!
4. - not have to pay £350m per year trading club membership..
Oh yes the 350million PER WEEK that going to the NHS? ROFL..
5. - not be told by the US who we can and cannot eject from the country/
not be told by the US who can and cannot come to our country
Quite right.. No obligation to the European Convention on Human Rights, drafted 1953, largely by British Legal advisers and the only convention ENFORCEABLE in law against excesses perpetrated by the State. (UNCHR is not) Obligatory for not just EU members but for ALL members of the Council of Europe member states.

All Good..
Now BEND-OVER.. here comes Donald!! with the Art of the Deal!!!
Free copy with every FTA. LoL

HOW NAIVE ARE YOU MAN?
  • Post #130
  • Jan 30, 2017 1:01pm Jan 30, 2017 1:01pm
Quoting Davit
Funny how liberal left feminists embrace Islam in fact one of the idiots actually called Muslim prayer in Women's march rally totally oblivious of Muslim suppression of women,child marriages,genital mutilations,sub human treatment of even suspicion of adulatory and often raped without any punishment and list goes on and on and these morons go to marches and promote this from their comfy western homes.
Amazing world we live in where there is little logic left.Perhaps these idiots should march protecting women from Islam!!!
The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.
Albert Einstein

Lindsay Lohan has converted to Islam. Try oppressing her, she will kick your bankrupt brain into shape.
  • Post #131
  • Jan 30, 2017 1:06pm Jan 30, 2017 1:06pm
Quoting goldfinger
The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits.
Albert Einstein

Lindsay Lohan has converted to Islam. Try oppressing her, she will kick your bankrupt brain into shape.
You are not even worthy of response! Idiocy what you posted is self evident.
  • Post #132
  • Jan 30, 2017 1:14pm Jan 30, 2017 1:14pm
Quoting Davit
You are not even worthy of response! Idiocy what you posted is self evident.
The world is run by money and money is almost always at the heart of most of our issues.
  • Post #133
  • Jan 30, 2017 1:33pm Jan 30, 2017 1:33pm
If there was a true, truthful media, president ELECT Trump would be a American hero.

But we don't - we have fake news, and week minded people only hear what they have been propagandized with, and want to hear. The most ironic thing about this is, Most of you anti Trump people are well meaning but completely misinformed. But as they say - good intensions is a road paved to hell.....
  • Post #134
  • Jan 30, 2017 1:39pm Jan 30, 2017 1:39pm
some people just need a high- five in the head with a chair. he he he
  • Post #135
  • Jan 30, 2017 1:44pm Jan 30, 2017 1:44pm
Quoting cliffedwards
But on doing a deal with the USA, the UK will

1. - not have US courts defining our laws..
yes you will.. you clearly have no idea on the small print in trade contracts.(applicable law)
2. - not be subject to US laws in our own country .. yes you already do in many commercial arrangements. .. and any financial issues certainly will allow US regulatory and legal oversight.
3 - not be told by the US who we can trade with.. nobody tells you that now./Doh!
4. - not have to pay £350m per year trading club membership..
Oh yes the 350million PER...
If the UK could trade with anyone we like and negotiate a trade deal with anyone we like, we would be negotiating a trade deal right now with the USA. The EU prevents this.

European human rights judges have blocked more than 900 attempts by Britain to deport foreign criminals and terror suspects in recent years. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-country.html

The US will not define the UK civil laws, the EU does
The UK will not be subject to US civil laws in our own country

Commercial law is different in that it is dependant on the jurisdiction of the contract, as stated in the contract
  • Post #136
  • Jan 30, 2017 1:46pm Jan 30, 2017 1:46pm
Quoting iamsovereign
If there was a true, truthful media, president ELECT Trump would be a American hero.

But we don't - we have fake news, and week minded people only hear what they have been propagandized with, and want to hear. The most ironic thing about this is, Most of you anti Trump people are well meaning but completely misinformed. But as they say - good intensions is a road paved to hell.....
Thats the trouble with Trump..
In some ways he IS an American Hero..
IMHO.. Problem is that hes also totally naive.. he actually thinks he can run a Nation State in the 21st century like a Hotel chain. there are levels of complications that he has NO idea about.. He could learn, hes smart.. but with his fragile personality and his arrogance he seems psychologically ill-equipped to meet that challenge.
  • Post #137
  • Jan 30, 2017 1:48pm Jan 30, 2017 1:48pm
Quoting Devauxt
If the UK could trade with anyone we like and negotiate a trade deal with anyone we like, we would be negotiating a trade deal right now with the USA. The EU prevents this.

European human rights judges have blocked more than 900 attempts by Britain to deport foreign criminals and terror suspects in recent years. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...r-country.html

The US will not define the UK civil laws the EU does
The UK will not...
Mate America is not our circus and dt is not our monkey.
We voted to get out of EU but master race is not happy about it so it aint happening.
  • Post #138
  • Jan 30, 2017 1:49pm Jan 30, 2017 1:49pm
Quoting iamsovereign
If there was a true, truthful media, president ELECT Trump would be a American hero.

But we don't - we have fake news, and week minded people only hear what they have been propagandized with, and want to hear. The most ironic thing about this is, Most of you anti Trump people are well meaning but completely misinformed. But as they say - good intensions is a road paved to hell.....
We have seen a similar movie before called BushII its amazing that anyone else would be racing to the bottom to get ahead of BushII in snatching a recession from a strong economy and dragging the world back into the ditch.

Just ask the people who lost their homes and jobs if Bush was a hero. As if the ditch dug by bush wasnt deep enough. The current leader is walking blind into an even bigger ditch Just mark my words!

Trump intends to do this by:

1)Giving more tax cuts to the rich as bush did
2)Remove the commonsense regulations that ensured the recovery.
3)Must fight more wars since is redlines which are so easily imposed cannot be ignored without a war.
4)Trigger trade wars which will only reverse global trade
5)All at the same time while removing whatever little benefit there are in the healthcare system.

These are the same warning ignored by Bush who like yourself believe that conservative nonsense approach to the economy will lead to prosperity.

I guess you will also deny the Great depression 2006-8 happened.
  • Post #139
  • Jan 30, 2017 2:01pm Jan 30, 2017 2:01pm
Quoting IGNORED
European human rights judges have blocked more than 900 attempts by Britain to deport foreign criminals and terror suspects in recent years. [/url]
1. Under the Rule 39 powers of the European Court of Human Rights, judges can issue interim measures that are binding on nation states if they believe the applicant “faces a real risk of serious, irreversible harm if the measure is not applied”.
This prevents deportation going ahead until the case can be heard in detail.

2. The 900 figure you quote refers to multiple years. You quoted this figure in another thread, but when asked to define the timescale applicaple to the 900 figure.. you didnt respond.?? Whatever.. set against the 86,000 prison population of the UK..it hardly seems like a crisis figure?
Incidentally I see that The number of Rule 39 measures granted against Britain has fallen in recent years, from 527 in 2008 to 35 last year.
  • Post #140
  • Jan 30, 2017 2:05pm Jan 30, 2017 2:05pm
Quoting DonFF
I guess you will also deny the Great depression 2006-8 happened.
When are you going to realize that it is not the "Heads of States" that causes these problems. Yes there is going to be a depression 2018- 2019 start but its not going to be because of Trump and his policies. Unless he was around or they knew he was going to born back in the 1800's.
  • Post #141
  • Jan 30, 2017 2:07pm Jan 30, 2017 2:07pm
Quoting goldfinger
Mate America is not our circus and dt is not our monkey.
We voted to get out of EU but master race is not happy about it so it aint happening.
It IS HAPPENING.

Problem is not Brexit..
Its Whats Nextit?
  • Post #142
  • Edited at 2:22pm Jan 30, 2017 2:10pm | Edited at 2:22pm
Quoting DonFF
We have seen a similar movie before called BushII its amazing that anyone else would be racing to the bottom to get ahead of BushII in snatching a recession from a strong economy and dragging the world back into the ditch.

Just ask the people who lost their homes and jobs if Bush was a hero. As if the ditch dug by bush wasnt deep enough. The current leader is walking blind into an even bigger ditch Just mark my words!

Trump intends to do this by:

1)Giving more tax cuts to the rich as bush did
2)Remove the commonsense regulations that ensured...

All you have done is prove my point---- thanks by the way!!!

Bush = bad. Obama = bad. I don't support bought off politicians and I don't fall into the paradigm of progressive or conservative --- this is the media bull that I wrote about.... we have someone that is real in office now--- and that is why the main stream media and Powers to be-- are sh1tting there pants..... You must look deeper and you will see, not just look.

we, America is under a false monetary system --- the Fed is not federal --- so yes we may be facing another depression and the media will make you week minds think it is Trumps fault........ the main stream media has your mind, Ha Ha Haaa

America will have to face the pain of this False Fed (private corp) system sooner or later.... you think that Obama saved us from the so call 2008 depression --- just more deception and it will only be worse from the past policies.

I bet you like to be spoon fed on how to trade forex----- Just like the media spoon feeds your week mind. Look deeper than what they feed you.
  • Post #143
  • Jan 30, 2017 2:36pm Jan 30, 2017 2:36pm
Quoting goldfinger
I lll be back has done his aborigine hunting trip. even kangaroos wont crap on his keyboard, do i need to say ------------------
Been drinking have we...?
  • Post #144
  • Edited at 3:27pm Jan 30, 2017 2:54pm | Edited at 3:27pm
Quoting iamsovereign
All you have done is prove my point---- thanks by the way!!!

Bush = bad Obama = bad I don't support bought off politicians and I don't fall into the paradigm of progressive or conservative --- this is the media bull that I wrote about.... we have someone that is real in office now--- and that is why the main stream media and Powers to be-- are sh1tting there pants..... You must look deeper and you will see, not just look.

we, America is under a false monetary system --- the Fed is not federal --- so yes we may be facing another depression...

All Politicians are bought off...How is the world run otherwise.

Which is why I keep saying on these forums that our so called elected leaders dont really work for the people as the people believe. Ultimately the world is run by money and there is not many on the planet who will say they have enough.

How do you figure The Kennedys have such a hard time.

You better guess again if you seriously believe Trump will be able to do any differently. At least he is somewhat familiar with the real rulers of the world.

The real problem with Trump is not what he cant do but what he is doing to make the majority of the peoples lives miserable because of his limited one sided views.

This is where the Democrats with their multiplicity of views are way stronger than many of the Republican leadership for the last 4 or 5 decades. Democrats especially the likes of Obama is way more open minded than even his less admired and mean spirited so called Patriotic Americans with whom he learned a lot from about how nasty and vitriolic fellow human beings can be. How can Patriots who are hardly willing to sacrifice anything for the country be willing to hold back the development and recovery of the global economy for 8 years in the interest of blind ideology.

I am still bemused even ashamed that human beings could stoop to such low levels as the Republicans did for the last 8 years for the simple reason that someone look a little different than they do.

Well they have done enough to confirm that indeed this side of America (Those who are unwilling to accept the human family as it is rather than how their limited minds tell them)is and has been the Mother of South African for these decades.

Even more ridiculous to have people coming online to say they support the humans who conduct themselves in such base shameless way trolling on the international stage representing the weakest minded people among us.

Yes I will not deny anyone who is still unlearned enough to understand the value of a human life and what a human life really is. But I know it is the duty of leadership to encourage their followers to rise about petty nonsense that most have a difficulty overcoming.

These kind of base way of thinking must not be dressed up as conservatism but must be revealed for what it is. Heroic leadership requires leaders to step away from those who would persist in their belief that a human life is defined by their outward appearance.
  • Post #145
  • Jan 30, 2017 2:57pm Jan 30, 2017 2:57pm
Quoting Ill-b-back
Been drinking have we...?
I dont need a clique to determine what I write here. I take on forum bullies with my own independent arguments until they spill their true intent here and eventually get kicked off
  • Post #146
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:26pm Jan 30, 2017 3:26pm
Quoting Davit
Funny how liberal left feminists embrace Islam in fact one of the idiots actually called Muslim prayer in Women's march rally totally oblivious of Muslim suppression of women,child marriages,genital mutilations,sub human treatment of even suspicion of adulatory and often raped without any punishment and list goes on and on and these morons go to marches and promote this from their comfy western homes.
Amazing world we live in where there is little logic left.Perhaps these idiots should march protecting women from Islam!!!
These women should try to live in these countries before marching .
Charming characters who made it into Europe, really know how to treat women .
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  • Post #147
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:34pm Jan 30, 2017 3:34pm
While he is at it he should ban religion altogether.
  • Post #148
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:43pm Jan 30, 2017 3:43pm
Quoting DonFF
I dont need a clique to determine what I write here. I take on forum bullies with my own independent arguments until they spill their true intent here and eventually get kicked off
His post was totally illegible, hence my comment.

What point are you trying to make as your interjection is out of left field
  • Post #149
  • Jan 30, 2017 3:52pm Jan 30, 2017 3:52pm
Quoting Davit
Funny how liberal left feminists embrace Islam in fact one of the idiots actually called Muslim prayer in Women's march rally totally oblivious of Muslim suppression of women,child marriages,genital mutilations,sub human treatment of even suspicion of adulatory and often raped without any punishment and list goes on and on and these morons go to marches and promote this from their comfy western homes.
Amazing world we live in where there is little logic left.Perhaps these idiots should march protecting women from Islam!!!
Just finished reading The Muslim Brotherhood by Carrie Wickham, 2013. It's the history of the organization to that point with many interviews and quotes of members. What is clear is while they are as claimed moderates it is only in comparison to more radical groups. A longer timeline to the same goal does not help women and others. Let's see if this post stays.
  • Post #150
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:02pm Jan 30, 2017 4:02pm
Quoting Ill-b-back
His post was totally illegible, hence my comment.

What point are you trying to make as your interjection is out of left field
That my points are my own. I am not writing in support of anyone nor to please anyone.

I simply state my truth.
  • Post #151
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:09pm Jan 30, 2017 4:09pm
bleeding hearts will be the death of the world , I will not turn the other cheek anymore , enough is enough , stop immigration save jobs for AUSTALIANS and AMERICANS
  • Post #152
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:09pm Jan 30, 2017 4:09pm
Quoting DonFF
That my points are my own. I am not writing in support of anyone nor to please anyone.

I simply state my truth.
well that's wonderful, but why are you telling me this?

I'm sure we all like to do the same.

Are you suggesting if my views correspond to the views of others, that they are not mine??
  • Post #153
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:20pm Jan 30, 2017 4:20pm
Australia has no proper uni so its obvious aussiland is a breeding ground for dickheads but America has Harvard------------------------------
  • Post #154
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:23pm Jan 30, 2017 4:23pm
Quoting goldfinger
Australia has no proper uni so its obvious aussiland is a breeding ground for dickheads but America has Harvard------------------------------
lol, you're starting to sound like sickofscam and make about as much sense.

Are you one and the same?

Will I now again be singled out for pointing out the obvious.....?
  • Post #155
  • Jan 30, 2017 4:54pm Jan 30, 2017 4:54pm
Anyway, no drug, not even alcohol, causes the fundamental ills of society. If we're looking for the source of our troubles, we shouldn't test people for drugs, we should test them for stupidity, ignorance, greed and love of power.
P. J. O'Rourke
  • Post #156
  • Jan 30, 2017 5:43pm Jan 30, 2017 5:43pm
All organized education is indoctrination. Harvard has its agenda same as every other university. Graduates become part of the alum cabal. Do they respect truth or justice or common sense? Not so much.
  • Post #157
  • Jan 30, 2017 6:14pm Jan 30, 2017 6:14pm
Protectionism and immigration ban is bad for business. Steve Jobs biological parents were immigrants and look at what Steve Jobs created-Apple.
  • Post #158
  • Jan 30, 2017 6:29pm Jan 30, 2017 6:29pm
Quoting Pip-Miner
These women should try to live in these countries before marching .
Charming characters who made it into Europe, really know how to treat women .
http://youtu.be/_qOdsKlPF4A
Hi PM
Lots of information is out there and takes very little time to find out the truth.
Most liberal lefties choose to gloss over facts that does not fit their narrative of multiculturalism.
An Open Letter to Muslim Feminist Linda Sarsour
Let's talk about ISIS rape victims.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/2598...anusha-v-goska
above just one of thousands.
regards
  • Post #159
  • Jan 30, 2017 6:48pm Jan 30, 2017 6:48pm
Quoting RondaRousey
Protectionism and immigration ban is bad for business. Steve Jobs biological parents were immigrants and look at what Steve Jobs created-Apple.
America is a nation of Immigrants.

The problem is that some seem to want to create artificial segregations between people. This is not by chance we live in a world where some kind of people (those who think in a predominantly "conservative" kind of way seem to think its easier to control people with a divide and conquer strategy.

They seem adamant about their truth, that all men are not created equal. Else why do they seem to think they must impose their crazy ideas on others and labelling people at the earliest opportunity with labels such as "Liberal and lefties".

Separatism is a function of extreme fear...so conservative types are therefore a fearful type. Frankly I dont have a problem with anyone who inclined to be open minded and others who are not. I know that as a species we are not complete. But some dont realize that we must continue to grow in unity with each other.

There is none in the human family who is happy being separate so this is the kind of realism that many are unable to get to grips with.
  • Post #160
  • Jan 30, 2017 6:51pm Jan 30, 2017 6:51pm
Quoting gat
All organized education is indoctrination. Harvard has its agenda same as every other university. Graduates become part of the alum cabal. Do they respect truth or justice or common sense? Not so much.
Agreed
  • Post #161
  • Jan 30, 2017 7:24pm Jan 30, 2017 7:24pm
Quoting DonFF
Everyone is afraid of the "world leader"

This beast will cripple the economy of any who dear question it....Just ask Iran
This reply has absolutely nothing to do with what i said. In fact most of your replies have nothing to do with what the person said....

So are you...
A. A Political fanatic.
B. A Religious Fanatic.
C. Just plain old crazy fanatic?

And remind me, who is the "World Leader"? Kim Jon Un?
Now, i permit you to answer with your regular dribble....
  • Post #162
  • Jan 30, 2017 7:27pm Jan 30, 2017 7:27pm
Quoting cliffedwards
Thanks your comment..
BUT Im not taking this forward on the basis that you are right or wrong.. or that I agree with any of your opinions.
Im bringing it forward because I HATE BULLSHIT.
I hate MOB Rule.
And I HATE SCAM ARTISTS.. and Masqueraders.
Ive unmasked one here.. and would like to unmask more.

FF created a great site for retail traders to exchange views and systems.
The News Channel forum here however has become a playground for slogan touting, propaganda projecting people who have in many cases made little no contribution or...
I am with you. It is FF policy that no political statements are allowed. They have been censoring such posts. They have the right to kick anyone off the forum for violating the rules. They may start to do that. Stick to trading. Go to twitter to abuse each other.
  • Post #163
  • Jan 30, 2017 7:36pm Jan 30, 2017 7:36pm
Quoting EventHorizon
I am with you. It is FF policy that no political statements are allowed. They have been censoring such posts. They have the right to kick anyone off the forum for violating the rules. They may start to do that. Stick to trading. Go to twitter to abuse each other.
When FF posts an immigration news which has nothing to do with trading then it is expected that conflicting views will be posted.If they want sanitized PC views then why even bother posting the news.
Lets be tolerable to other views and saying this as a conservative
  • Post #164
  • Jan 30, 2017 11:58pm Jan 30, 2017 11:58pm
Quoting Davit
When FF posts an immigration news which has nothing to do with trading then it is expected that conflicting views will be posted.If they want sanitized PC views then why even bother posting the news.
Lets be tolerable to other views and saying this as a conservative
No argument. I am just pointing out FF policies. I had some of my posts censored by FF for being political and was reminded about the terms and conditions. Email them with your grievance.
  • Post #165
  • Jan 31, 2017 1:21am Jan 31, 2017 1:21am
Quoting mrhigurashi
This reply has absolutely nothing to do with what i said. In fact most of your replies have nothing to do with what the person said....

So are you...
A. A Political fanatic.
B. A Religious Fanatic.
C. Just plain old crazy fanatic?

And remind me, who is the "World Leader"? Kim Jon Un?
Now, i permit you to answer with your regular dribble....
Clearly you are better off just to pinpoint what you dont understand either read it carefully again or humble yourself and ask properly.
  • Post #166
  • Jan 31, 2017 1:27am Jan 31, 2017 1:27am
Quoting DonFF
Clearly you are better off just to pinpoint what you dont understand either read it carefully again or humble yourself and ask properly.
I understand your a fruit loop with a personal agenda.

And furthermore, reading any dribble you write is not really worth my time. Sorry to disappoint you but you and what you have to say has no importance or relevance to myself.

But you seem to get your kicks from it so enjoy.
  • Post #167
  • Jan 31, 2017 1:45am Jan 31, 2017 1:45am
Quoting DonFF
We have seen a similar movie before called BushII its amazing that anyone else would be racing to the bottom to get ahead of BushII in snatching a recession from a strong economy and dragging the world back into the ditch.

Just ask the people who lost their homes and jobs if Bush was a hero. As if the ditch dug by bush wasnt deep enough. The current leader is walking blind into an even bigger ditch Just mark my words!

Trump intends to do this by:

1)Giving more tax cuts to the rich as bush did
2)Remove the commonsense regulations that ensured...

Technically a depression is a recession lasting longer than 2 years, so it would still be a recession, not a depression. otherwise agree with what your saying, the potus is going to lead us into another recession, hopefully not the great depression all the doom sayers are claiming..
  • Post #168
  • Jan 31, 2017 3:23am Jan 31, 2017 3:23am
Quoting DonFF
I dont need a clique to determine what I write here. I take on forum bullies with my own independent arguments until they spill their true intent here and eventually get kicked off
Quoting DonFF
All Politicians are bought off...How is the world run otherwise.

Which is why I keep saying on these forums that our so called elected leaders dont really work for the people as the people believe. Ultimately the world is run by money and there is not many on the planet who will say they have enough.

How do you figure The Kennedys have such a hard time.

You better guess again if you seriously believe Trump will be able to do any differently. At least he is somewhat familiar with the real rulers of the world.

The real problem with Trump...
I agreed with almost everything you said. Honestly a lot of people define "patriotism" as how much I will get??? maybe someone will ask what is it? something we can spread on a toast??
Anyway the only thing that bugs me is almost everybody criticize the last 8 years of government but seems they forget completely the years BEFORE that. Why????
God bless America... sorry wrong one.. God SAVE America.
  • Post #169
  • Jan 31, 2017 3:33am Jan 31, 2017 3:33am
Quoting DonFF
America is a nation of Immigrants.

The problem is that some seem to want to create artificial segregations between people. This is not by chance we live in a world where some kind of people (those who think in a predominantly "conservative" kind of way seem to think its easier to control people with a divide and conquer strategy.
What planet are you from? Don't tell me, I know. It's called planet Utopian. Wake up smell some coffee. Maybe you can realize your comment.

Trump is trying to do something or anything to fix immigration problem. I think.
  • Post #170
  • Jan 31, 2017 3:41am Jan 31, 2017 3:41am
I don't know how live in US can be wonderful with open immigration. But I know it's not that wonderful in Europe.
  • Post #171
  • Jan 31, 2017 3:48am Jan 31, 2017 3:48am
How's this for media B.S. trying incite something."Times columnist and author India Knight has called for the assassination of U.S. President, Donald J. Trump.
During a days-long invective against the newly inaugurated President on Twitter in which Knight called Mr. Trump a “moron,” “mad,” “needy,” and an “arse,” among other things, before telling him to “shut up,” she mused, “The assassination is taking such a long time”:

The assassination is taking such a long time.

— India Knight (@indiaknight) January 28, 2017

Knight’s attitude is directly in-line with the British media class, many of whom she has cheered on via Twitter over the last few days."
  • Post #172
  • Jan 31, 2017 4:12am Jan 31, 2017 4:12am
Quoting Sniper2000
How's this for media B.S. trying incite something."Times columnist and author India Knight has called for the assassination of U.S. President, Donald J. Trump.
where is the Jackal when you need him !
  • Post #173
  • Jan 31, 2017 4:24am Jan 31, 2017 4:24am
Trump shot himself in the foot and I could not be happier, but he also inmersed the country in a deep social and economic crisis and Putin could not be happier, he is doing a golden shower on trump right now, lol.
  • Post #174
  • Jan 31, 2017 4:55am Jan 31, 2017 4:55am
Trump really stamping his foot down. It'll backfire but the question is how much will IT backfire?
  • Post #175
  • Jan 31, 2017 4:55am Jan 31, 2017 4:55am
Quoting barkie
where is the Jackal when you need him !
I know very well that this was a tongue-in-cheek humorous remark.
If perhaps in bad taste. However I suggest you are careful here about posts, since even such obviously humorous allusions can and WILL be misused by Trump trolls to allege a wish for harm to the President. Which is against everything I know you stand for.
  • Post #176
  • Edited at 5:36am Jan 31, 2017 5:22am | Edited at 5:36am
Quoting Sniper2000
How's this for media B.S. trying incite something.
Yeah, but what else do you expect from ultra right Breitbart.com
Whatever she said she has removed the offending tweet and has apologized unreservedly (as she should)
"Right. I have deleted the offending tweet, which was a joke in very bad taste, and which I unreservedly apologise for."

Edit:
I don't recall teflon Trump apologizing after saying "2nd amendment people" could sort Hillary Clinton out during the election campaign!
  • Post #177
  • Jan 31, 2017 5:30am Jan 31, 2017 5:30am
FYI.
UK Government Petition.
to "Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom.."


The number of signatories has now risen to just under 1.7 Million at time of posting.

There will be without a doubt an attempt by subversives to pollute this poll. with the purpose of discrediting its validity. I understand from UK Gov IT sources that such attempts are being monitored, and will be used to identify sources of such interference in the democratic process with the purpose of prosecution.
  • Post #178
  • Edited at 6:45am Jan 31, 2017 5:46am | Edited at 6:45am
Quoting cliffedwards
FYI.
UK Government Petition.
to "Prevent Donald Trump from making a State Visit to the United Kingdom.."


The number of signatories has now risen to just under 1.7 Million at time of posting.

There will be without a doubt an attempt by subversives to pollute this poll. with the purpose of discrediting its validity. I understand from UK Gov IT sources that such attempts are being monitored, and will be used to identify sources of such interference in the democratic process with the purpose of prosecution.

There are >58 million who haven't signed that petition. There have also been other Trump petitions like this one:

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/114003
- which has been rejected.

It's not like this hasn't been tried before.

I laughed when downing street said the petition was a "populist gesture" and would be counter productive. The irony of those shouting loudly about Brexit and Trump election being 'Mob rule' is not lost on Number 10.
  • Post #179
  • Jan 31, 2017 5:50am Jan 31, 2017 5:50am
Quoting frx_trader
What planet are you from? Don't tell me, I know. It's called planet Utopian. Wake up smell some coffee. Maybe you can realize your comment.

Trump is trying to do something or anything to fix immigration problem. I think.
You couldn't find a better way to finish your post; "I think".
That is gold because using your own words "the clown(that is on me) is trying to do something or anything to fix immigration problem" but you are not sure what he is trying to do right??
Today USA looks like a bus down hill driving by a blind one with a bunch of dumb asses helping.
  • Post #180
  • Jan 31, 2017 5:54am Jan 31, 2017 5:54am
Quoting blanca
Trump shot himself in the foot and I could not be happier, but he also inmersed the country in a deep social and economic crisis and Putin could not be happier, he is doing a golden shower on trump right now, lol.
Very well said. Lets wait because he is going to shoot the other foot.
  • Post #181
  • Edited at 6:14am Jan 31, 2017 5:59am | Edited at 6:14am
Quoting mmforexinfo
Today USA looks like a bus down hill driving by a blind one with a bunch of dumb asses helping.
I agree US could become a 3rd world country. Just like UK, Germany, Sweden etc. But not because of Trump.

There are too many blind people in US and Europe. That's why I try to wake them to see the reality. Wake up and smell some coffee. I hope it's not too late. And still early in the morning. Hopefully.
  • Post #182
  • Jan 31, 2017 6:01am Jan 31, 2017 6:01am
Mr Trump is now "Leader of the Free World". After 8 years of totally irresponsible Ponzi scheme economics, mass foreign wars, and pensions theft we should be welcoming him with open arms, how many more enemies do the Fascist, loser, remainders want the UK to have ?

Brexit and Mr Trumps election are a very clear signal to the anti free will , genocidal free loaders , you're time is past US & UK masses have had their fill of you're rubbish and May & Trump are just the fresh brooms needed.

Big Welcome Mr Trump
  • Post #183
  • Jan 31, 2017 6:01am Jan 31, 2017 6:01am
Quoting mmforexinfo
Today USA looks like a bus down hill driving by a blind one with a bunch of dumb asses helping.
Spot on, Bingo, Bull eye. or what ever. I cannot say it better myself. But not Trump. Maybe Clintons.
  • Post #184
  • Jan 31, 2017 6:12am Jan 31, 2017 6:12am
Quoting blanca
Trump shot himself in the foot and I could not be happier, but he also inmersed the country in a deep social and economic crisis and Putin could not be happier, he is doing a golden shower on trump right now, lol.
Agreed,
He will shoot himself in the foot permanently sooner or later. The question is how much damage will he do in the meantime.
  • Post #185
  • Jan 31, 2017 7:42am Jan 31, 2017 7:42am
Trump is Our Dear Leader of basket of rotten apples. Big Welcome D(ea)R Trump!

Quoting NewtonsCash
Really love the irony in your sentences.
  • Post #186
  • Jan 31, 2017 9:00am Jan 31, 2017 9:00am
Quoting mrhigurashi
I understand your a fruit loop with a personal agenda.

And furthermore, reading any dribble you write is not really worth my time. Sorry to disappoint you but you and what you have to say has no importance or relevance to myself.

But you seem to get your kicks from it so enjoy.

Try figuring out why Russia has won round one and firmly in drivers seat before trying to figure me out!
  • Post #187
  • Jan 31, 2017 9:50am Jan 31, 2017 9:50am
Interesting that a temporary ban causes so much outrage , yet bombing the crap out of them berly causes a stir.
  • Post #188
  • Jan 31, 2017 9:57am Jan 31, 2017 9:57am
Quoting Pip-Miner
Interesting that a temporary ban causes so much outrage , yet bombing the crap out of them berly causes a stir.
That's my point PM about the King of the Cucks Chuck Schumer.

He cries about a few people from the Middle east not being allowed in to the US yet no tears for when the US bombs the crap out of the region.

Same with the argument about the ban being a recruitment policy for terrorists. And what, the bombing the crap out of them didn't produce any?

The hypocrisy is off the charts.
  • Post #189
  • Jan 31, 2017 12:08pm Jan 31, 2017 12:08pm
Golden shower has the power. Is there a batty shower as Putin has turned batty.
  • Post #190
  • Jan 31, 2017 12:17pm Jan 31, 2017 12:17pm
Not one national of any of the banned 7 countries has been responsible for a homeland terrorist attack involving loss of American lives since 2001.

Another Redneck Popularity Policy Scam.
  • Post #191
  • Jan 31, 2017 12:48pm Jan 31, 2017 12:48pm
Not one of the 6.7 billion people not American has the right to enter w/o invitation. Or to stay longer than agreed to.
  • Post #192
  • Jan 31, 2017 12:51pm Jan 31, 2017 12:51pm
Quoting cliffedwards
Oh yes @mingery.. lest lance this TOXIC BOIL!
I sure as hell dont agree with all you post mate..
But I respect your opinions.
I respect your depth of thinking that shows you an educated man.
When you are at your most controversial.. and I most disagree, I can still see the philosophical under -pinning to even your most apparently daft posts.
I cannot extend that respect to many others here.
Either when I agree or disagree with their sentiments.

The problem here, as in many aspect of business.. was summed up by Mark Twains advise over 100...
Thanks.
You would think that forex should attract bright individuals who can think for themselves. then you realize this is just "retail" forex. The bar is rather low ...
  • Post #193
  • Jan 31, 2017 1:21pm Jan 31, 2017 1:21pm
Quoting cliffedwards
Not one national of any of the banned 7 countries has been responsible for a homeland terrorist attack involving loss of American lives since 2001.

Another Redneck Popularity Policy Scam.
At the end of the day they were all MUSLIMS. How do you know that their parents werent immigrants from any of the 7 countries?
  • Post #194
  • Jan 31, 2017 1:54pm Jan 31, 2017 1:54pm
Native Americans dont want white men to be in their land, why dont all white people leave America? Instead whites celebrate thanks giving which is a celebration of rape and murder on native American.
  • Post #195
  • Edited at 2:43pm Jan 31, 2017 2:07pm | Edited at 2:43pm
Quoting Sniper2000
At the end of the day they were all MUSLIMS. How do you know that their parents werent immigrants from any of the 7 countries?

better.. let me tell you countries whos citizens HAVE murdered thousands of US citizens in 9/11 and since??

Saudia Arabia / Egypt/UAE/ Pakistan/

And Countries with whom Donald Trump has investments?
Oh Gosh.. the same?

Coincidence
ROFL...
  • Post #196
  • Jan 31, 2017 2:18pm Jan 31, 2017 2:18pm
Quoting Mingary
Thanks.
You would think that forex should attract bright individuals who can think for themselves. then you realize this is just "retail" forex. The bar is rather low ...
Yes, and YOUR approach to dealing with the Islamic "disease" as you put it, posted here in FF, fits well below that bar you hypocrite.
  • Post #197
  • Jan 31, 2017 2:20pm Jan 31, 2017 2:20pm
Quoting cliffedwards
Not one national of any of the banned 7 countries has been responsible for a homeland terrorist attack involving loss of American lives since 2001.

Another Redneck Popularity Policy Scam.
Oh you mean Obamas' 7 seven countries? yeeeaahh, ain't that strange
  • Post #198
  • Jan 31, 2017 2:32pm Jan 31, 2017 2:32pm
Quoting Ill-b-back
Oh you mean Obamas' 7 seven countries? yeeeaahh, ain't that strange
I dont recall Obama issuing a travel ban on 7 countries?
When did that happen?
  • Post #199
  • Jan 31, 2017 3:04pm Jan 31, 2017 3:04pm
Quoting cliffedwards
I dont recall Obama issuing a travel ban on 7 countries?
When did that happen?
Nope, but they were "countries of concern" under Obama.
  • Post #200
  • Jan 31, 2017 3:10pm Jan 31, 2017 3:10pm
Quoting Sniper2000
At the end of the day they were all MUSLIMS. How do you know that their parents werent immigrants from any of the 7 countries?
In the San Bernardino incident, one of the perpetrators was from Pakistan which is also being considered for inclusion on the banned list. Since 2001 there have been 580 convictions for terrorism in the USA, 380 of which were foreign born (62 Pakistan, 28 Lebanon, 22 Palestinian, 21 Somalia, 20 Yemen, 19 Iraq, 16 Jordan, 17 Egypt 10 Afghanistan)
  • Post #201
  • Jan 31, 2017 5:02pm Jan 31, 2017 5:02pm
Quoting Devauxt
In the San Bernardino incident, one of the perpetrators was from Pakistan which is also being considered for inclusion on the banned list. Since 2001 there have been 580 convictions for terrorism in the USA, 380 of which were foreign born (62 Pakistan, 28 Lebanon, 22 Palestinian, 21 Somalia, 20 Yemen, 19 Iraq, 16 Jordan, 17 Egypt 10 Afghanistan)
Interesting. The trouble is everyone around the world are trying to force their beliefs ( I wont say religion) on to everyone else. I dont mind people have different beliefs but when they start forcing it upon me or how I live then thats when I get pissed. Trouble is its been going on since the dot and nothing has changed. People have been so brain washed by Politicians and Do Gooders that all cultures and beliefs can live in harmony. That maybe so until one group starts to force their beliefs on to everyone else. Thats when the "shit hits the fan" and people start to fight back like whats going on in USA and Britain.
  • Post #202
  • Jan 31, 2017 5:12pm Jan 31, 2017 5:12pm
Quoting Ill-b-back
Nope, but they were "countries of concern" under Obama.
The "seven countries" targeted by President Trump's 27 January 2017 executive order pertaining to immigration were not mentioned by name and instead originated with "countr[ies] or area[s] of concern" first identified in the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 (expanded to all seven countries "of concern" in February 2016). source Fact Check
  • Post #203
  • Jan 31, 2017 5:33pm Jan 31, 2017 5:33pm
Quoting goldfinger
Native Americans dont want white men to be in their land, why dont all white people leave America? Instead whites celebrate thanks giving which is a celebration of rape and murder on native American.
very strong point your really adding to the conversation
  • Post #204
  • Jan 31, 2017 5:45pm Jan 31, 2017 5:45pm
Quoting goldfinger
Native Americans dont want white men to be in their land, why dont all white people leave America? Instead whites celebrate thanks giving which is a celebration of rape and murder on native American.
Which "Native American" There were /are many different tribes. Who was there first?
  • Post #205
  • Edited at 10:15pm Jan 31, 2017 6:49pm | Edited at 10:15pm
Quoting Sniper2000
The "seven countries" targeted by President Trump's 27 January 2017 executive order pertaining to immigration were not mentioned by name and instead originated with "countr[ies] or area[s] of concern" first identified in the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 (expanded to all seven countries "of concern" in February 2016). source Fact Check
refreshing to read some facts on the matter instead of the presumptuous rhetoric which is also prevalent in the mainsteam media headlines (at least we know where they get their views from lol).
Reminds me of the "America First" headline being touted as a foundation for yet more presumptuous rehetoric that UK will get screwed by their US trade deal.
Of course, they won't use Trumps comment in its' entirety but will prefer to omit certain other important aspects of his statement.
He is on record as saying;

"I will be tough but I will be fair. I will put America First just as I would expect other countries to put their interests first".

This represents nothing more than the reality faced by any 2 parties when they come together to negotiate. But in classic convenient style, some wish to quote his campaign slogan(in it's most simplistic form) and apply it as a blanket argument to promote their own view.

They also conveniently ignore context. A situation where America is clearly getting screwed by what Trump calls shitty deals with China and mexico.

When we consider his "America First" policy in its' more complete form above, rather than the edited version conveniently promoted CNN style, and couple this with the multi billion dollar trade deficit hole America is in, its' not hard to imagine all Trump wants to do is balance the ledger. Help America straighten up again after being bent over the trade deficit barrel and taking it up the clacker for long enough.

And there is certainly nothing in what he has said (again when viewed in its' unedited form) that suggests new trading partners such as the UK are going to have to bend over and take one courtesy of the 1 way Trade Trump Train fantasy.....

It seems to me, some are adopting the simplistic, convenient and factually deficient tactics of "The Mob" they so publicly abhor....
  • Post #206
  • Jan 31, 2017 7:43pm Jan 31, 2017 7:43pm
look who is talking.
  • Post #207
  • Feb 1, 2017 2:00am Feb 1, 2017 2:00am
Quoting goldfinger
Native Americans dont want white men to be in their land, why dont all white people leave America? Instead whites celebrate thanks giving which is a celebration of rape and murder on native American.
Since that time, most nations have learned that rape and murder are unacceptable in civilised society, whereas the those coming from the banned countries follow teachings which not only include rape and murder but also bring other little cultural ditties such as religious intolerance, hate preaching, child marriages, marriage between close relations, FGM, forced marriages, male female segregation, gay hatred, subjugation of women, to name but a few.
  • Post #208
  • Feb 1, 2017 3:40am Feb 1, 2017 3:40am
let's just make the immigrant to uphold the US law above their religious law. signed and put a list what law from their religion that is banned.
it would be just like to ask them to abandon their religion.
this could be legal, and really make sense.
  • Post #209
  • Feb 1, 2017 4:28am Feb 1, 2017 4:28am
Guys,
One question.
Think deep.......

What's the REAL purpose of this ban??? Excluding Saudi Arabia...

Why?? What's Trump's agenda????
  • Post #210
  • Feb 1, 2017 4:38am Feb 1, 2017 4:38am
Quoting Not-KPMG
Guys,
One question.
Think deep.......

What's the REAL purpose of this ban??? Excluding Saudi Arabia...

Why?? What's Trump's agenda????
Maybe the information required for vetting is more readily available and that the there is a good two way flow of terrorism related intelligence between Saudi and the USA
  • Post #211
  • Feb 1, 2017 4:53am Feb 1, 2017 4:53am
Quoting Not-KPMG
Guys,
One question.
Think deep.......
What's the REAL purpose of this ban??? Excluding Saudi Arabia...
Why?? What's Trump's agenda????
We all know the answer to that. Not so smart Giuliani even gave answer on television. A ban because of religion is against US law and then he is creative and find other ways to do it. That Saudi Arabia is not included I think is a calculation between ideologi and money for Trump and for now money weighted more.
  • Post #212
  • Feb 1, 2017 4:54am Feb 1, 2017 4:54am
Quoting Not-KPMG
Guys,
One question.
Think deep.......
What's the REAL purpose of this ban??? Excluding Saudi Arabia...
Why?? What's Trump's agenda????
He likes them very much..

August 21 2015:
Speech in Alabama
"Saudi Arabia? I get along with all of them. They buy apartments from me. They spend $40 million, $50 million. Am I supposed to dislike them? I like them very much."
  • Post #213
  • Feb 1, 2017 4:57am Feb 1, 2017 4:57am
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suggestion to ff: seeing that some commentators make multiple quotes which misrepresents the total number of quotes, do this: let's say Devauxt makes 20 quotes, then list them as 22, 22.1, 22.2, 22.3, 22.4 .....etc.. then only count all 22.xyz quotes as one quote. in most democracies a voter can only vote once in the same election. multiple quotes by one or more commentators distorts the number of comments.

This would also be in line with the Pareto Principle or 80/20 rule where 20% of the commentators make 80% of the quoutes.
  • Post #214
  • Feb 1, 2017 5:06am Feb 1, 2017 5:06am
Quoting Not-KPMG
Guys,
One question.
Think deep.......

What's the REAL purpose of this ban??? Excluding Saudi Arabia...

Why?? What's Trump's agenda????
You really need to ask Obama.
It's the 7 countries he listed as "countries of concern" under the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 that Trump focused on for his temporary travel ban. In addition, the 7 countries were not named by Trump but are on the list because of Obamas' policy with Department of Homeland Security focusing on these "countries of concern" about 2 years before Trump came into office.

But let's not let any details get in the way of a nice convenient story eh...
  • Post #215
  • Feb 1, 2017 5:27am Feb 1, 2017 5:27am
Islam is not just a religion, Islam is also the politics in one. It is clear.
BUT -stop (ban) the refugees and punish those people who (our guilt too ) lost their homes, families - in general conditions of life, and on the other hand do not punish war criminals Bush Junior, Tony Blair and the rest of the scum (who cooked all that junk up) - it's really typically Western hypocrisy. Muslims will never forgive us that shame.
  • Post #216
  • Edited at 5:47am Feb 1, 2017 5:33am | Edited at 5:47am
Quoting Not-KPMG
Guys,
One question.
Think deep.......

What's the REAL purpose of this ban??? Excluding Saudi Arabia...

Why?? What's Trump's agenda????
#214. What is the real purpose of the gates and doors in your house? Don't tell me they are to block mosquitoes or wind.

Trump keeps his promise. To make America safe.

I can only say this on FF unless I will be suspended.
  • Post #217
  • Feb 1, 2017 5:33am Feb 1, 2017 5:33am
Quoting Ill-b-back
You really need to ask Obama.
It's the 7 countries he listed as "countries of concern" under the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015 that Trump focused on for his temporary travel ban. In addition, the 7 countries were not named by Trump but are on the list because of Obamas' policy with Department of Homeland Security focusing on these "countries of concern" about 2 years before Trump came into office.
But let's not let any details get in the way of a nice convenient story eh...
What Obama did was not a ban.


Fact-Check:
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/tru...cy-comparison/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...ading-45160554
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ration-restri/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...bama/97247418/
http://news.sky.com/story/donald-tru...re-up-10749909
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...rump/97269126/

But let's not let THAT get in the way of a nice convenient Alt-Fact eh
  • Post #218
  • Feb 1, 2017 5:33am Feb 1, 2017 5:33am
Quoting Devauxt
Maybe the information required for vetting is more readily available and that the there is a good two way flow of terrorism related intelligence between Saudi and the USA
According to Farage, the temporary banning list, was a list of countries created by the Obama administration. Whether or not that is true though I have no idea.

Edit ^ will read those shortly cliff
  • Post #219
  • Feb 1, 2017 5:42am Feb 1, 2017 5:42am
Quoting SickOfScam
.
BUT -stop (ban) the refugees and punish those people who (our guilt too ) lost their homes, families - in general conditions of life, and on the other hand do not punish war criminals Bush Junior, Tony Blair and the rest of the scum (who cooked all that junk up) - it's really typically Western hypocrisy.
I think you are long on Gold XAU to 2000.
  • Post #220
  • Feb 1, 2017 5:59am Feb 1, 2017 5:59am
Quoting cliffedwards
What Obama did was not a ban.


Fact-Check:
http://www.factcheck.org/2017/01/tru...cy-comparison/
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireS...ading-45160554
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ration-restri/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/p...bama/97247418/
http://news.sky.com/story/donald-tru...re-up-10749909
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/new...rump/97269126/

But...
Yes, you have already pointed that out previously and I have already replied.

But let's go over it just 1 more time shall we.
I have never said Obama listed a travel ban.

The 7 countries were listed as "Countries of concern" under the Obama administration within the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015.
It is the countries on Obamas' "Countries of Concern" list that Trump has targeted for his temporary travel ban.

These are the facts.

The presumptions being made and promoted in here are that Trump didn't target other more wealthy Muslim countries (such as those involved in September 11) because he has business interests in those wealthier countries.

He has business interests in many wealthier countries.
He Does NOT have business interests in the 7 listed countries because, well, what private entrepreneur would??

Hence my post " you really need to ask Obama".
Why?
Why didn't Obama list these other wealthier countries involved in the Sept 11 attacks etc within his "Countries of concern" of the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015.
Did he have a conflict of interest also?

Or is there something else in play here?

Something just a little more complex than your simplistic/convenient argument
  • Post #221
  • Feb 1, 2017 6:00am Feb 1, 2017 6:00am
And I think you're short - in every way.

Quoting frx_trader
I think you are long on Gold XAU to 2000.
Quoting frx_trader
I can only say this on FF unless I will be suspended.
  • Post #222
  • Feb 1, 2017 6:05am Feb 1, 2017 6:05am
Quoting Ill-b-back
These are the facts.
Look mate I have the facts.
Ive checked the facts.
Ive published my sources.
Dont need your ramblings.
/EndOF
  • Post #223
  • Edited at 6:57am Feb 1, 2017 6:12am | Edited at 6:57am
Quoting cliffedwards
Look mate I have the facts.
Ive checked the facts.
Ive published my sources.
Dont need your ramblings.
/EndOF
lol, wow, what a lame way to end the discussion Cliff.
You are a such a gutless coward.
My ramblings?? lol...
You're a clown...

Your fact checks address the issue of comparing Trumps policy to Obamas.
I'm clearly not talking about how similar the 2 are. I am addressing the shallow presumptions made about why the 7 countries are on the travel ban list and why other countries are not.
But you "neglected" to address any of my points made on this issue.
  • Post #224
  • Feb 1, 2017 6:13am Feb 1, 2017 6:13am
Quoting SickOfScam
And I think you're short - in every way.

This is a much better argument than your rambling about Western Hypocrisy and Bush. BTW I am not a Bush fan and not to vote him in any chance.
  • Post #225
  • Feb 1, 2017 6:23am Feb 1, 2017 6:23am
If we want that someone learn something from us - we must first clean up our own sh!t.

Quoting frx_trader
This is a much better argument than your rambling about Western Hypocrisy and Bush. BTW I am not a Bush fan and not to vote him in any chance.
  • Post #226
  • Feb 1, 2017 6:29am Feb 1, 2017 6:29am
Quoting SickOfScam
If we want that someone learn something from us- we must first clean up our own sh!t.
Happy trading, mate. BTW, try to go outside and learn some more. GL on your trading.
  • Post #227
  • Feb 1, 2017 6:41am Feb 1, 2017 6:41am
You too, see you around.
Quoting frx_trader
Happy trading, mate
  • Post #228
  • Edited at 7:39am Feb 1, 2017 7:25am | Edited at 7:39am
Quoting Ill-b-back
Yes, and YOUR approach to dealing with the Islamic "disease" as you put it, posted here in FF, fits well below that bar you hypocrite.
It's a disease ?
Aren't all religions a disease of the mind?

I will write in "Trumpish" so even you will understand. You can pretend you are being addressed by Your Glorious Leader.

"
(Cult of) Islamism, bad
Cult of Trump, bad
"

The Great Leader has spoken.
Now go out in the street and kick some liberals ass. (:
  • Post #229
  • Feb 1, 2017 7:40am Feb 1, 2017 7:40am
Quoting Mingary
It's a disease ?
Aren't all religions a disease of the mind?

I will write in "Trumpish" so even you will understand

(Cult of) Islamism, bad
Cult of Trump, bad
It is a shame that you equate Trump followers with the followers of Islam.

Those who voted for Trump are proud of their country and the ideals and laws on which the the country is based, whereas the other is an authoritarian sect where large numbers of its followers believe in murder, rape, religious intolerance, hate preaching, child marriages, marriage between close relations, FGM, forced marriages, male female segregation, gay hatred, subjugation of women.

I can't see the similarity myself. Maybe you could others in here understand
  • Post #230
  • Feb 1, 2017 7:44am Feb 1, 2017 7:44am
Quoting Devauxt
It is a shame that you equate Trump followers with the followers of Islam.

...I can't see the similarity myself. Maybe you could others in here understand
Plenty of hate for gays (curing ffs!), coercive marriage, rape, violence, abuse, hate preaching, female subjugation in CHRISTIAN families too, who'd have thunk it?
  • Post #231
  • Feb 1, 2017 7:46am Feb 1, 2017 7:46am
Quoting Devauxt
It is a shame that you equate Trump followers with the followers of Islam.

Those who voted for Trump are proud of their country and the ideals and laws on which the the country is based, whereas the other is an authoritarian sect where large numbers of its followers believe in murder, rape, religious intolerance, hate preaching, child marriages, marriage between close relations, FGM, forced marriages, male female segregation, gay hatred, subjugation of women.

I can't see the similarity myself. Maybe you could others in here understand
I choose neither and I reject both.
For the "true trump believer" such as yourself, to be against Trump is to be pro-islam.
In that respect, they are similar. The difference is only some order of magnitude.. but the mind of the "true believer of all creed" only needs to be pushed just a little to sink into total aberration.
  • Post #232
  • Feb 1, 2017 7:54am Feb 1, 2017 7:54am
Liberal jackasses saying Trump's ban will help create 'terrorists' because they will now view the US as being anti-Islam.

Let me get this right.

The US bombs, drones and assassinates people in the Middle east at will for the last decade and more but that doesn't create terrorists.

Yet as soon as they stop a few nutjobs coming into the US that's the spark that's needed for 10,001 of them to strap on their suicide vests.

What a joke.

Liberals have zero credibility with the lame and pathetic arguments.
  • Post #233
  • Feb 1, 2017 8:01am Feb 1, 2017 8:01am
Quoting Mingary
I choose neither and I reject both.
For the "true trump believer" such as yourself, to be against Trump is to be pro-islam.
In that respect, they are similar. The difference is only some order of magnitude.. but the mind of the "true believer of all creed" only needs to be pushed just a little to sink into total aberration.
A delusional response as usual. What element of what I said is not true? I challenge to identify one thing that is not true
  • Post #234
  • Feb 1, 2017 8:20am Feb 1, 2017 8:20am
Quoting Mingary
It's a disease ?
Aren't all religions a disease of the mind?

I will write in "Trumpish" so even you will understand. You can pretend you are being addressed by Your Glorious Leader.

"
(Cult of) Islamism, bad
Cult of Trump, bad
"

The Great Leader has spoken.
Now go out in the street and kick some liberals ass. (:
I'll mention it once more for you as you seem a little slow on the uptake.
I am Australian, he is not my leader.

I've never heard of "cult of Trump" before. Another one of your "inventions".

I call into question your published approach to dealing with the spread of Islam, and this is your response?

You're embarrassing yourself.
  • Post #235
  • Feb 1, 2017 8:24am Feb 1, 2017 8:24am
Lets experiment with this logic..
Those who are Muslims (1.5 Billion people) are proud of their Faith and the ideals and laws on which the that Faith is based is based, whereas the other are a reactionary populist sect where large numbers of its followers believe in racial and religious intolerance, xenophobia, hate preaching, gay hatred, objectification/subjugation of women, extreme nationalism and sectarianism.

Quote: "What element of what I said is not true? I challenge to identify one thing that is not true."

Debate. ROFL.
  • Post #236
  • Feb 1, 2017 8:26am Feb 1, 2017 8:26am
Before you support Trump just remember that the stick that is used to throw away a snail is also thrown away.
  • Post #237
  • Feb 1, 2017 8:29am Feb 1, 2017 8:29am
All radicals on this world using the same rhetoric. They all defend and protect "someone or something", but in fact behind these "big" words hide themselves most ordinary criminals.

Quoting UnBearybull
Plenty of hate for gays (curing ffs!), coercive marriage, rape, violence, abuse, hate preaching, female subjugation in CHRISTIAN families too, who'd have thunk it?
  • Post #238
  • Feb 1, 2017 8:32am Feb 1, 2017 8:32am
Quoting Mingary
I choose neither and I reject both.
For the "true trump believer" such as yourself, to be against Trump is to be pro-islam.
In that respect, they are similar. The difference is only some order of magnitude.. but the mind of the "true believer of all creed" only needs to be pushed just a little to sink into total aberration.
http://www.abload.de/img/11514-animated_gifchat8etf.gif
  • Post #239
  • Feb 1, 2017 8:48am Feb 1, 2017 8:48am
Quoting cliffedwards
Lets experiment with this logic..
Those who are Muslims (1.5 Billion people) are proud of their Faith and the ideals and laws on which the that Faith is based is based, whereas the other are a reactionary populist sect where large numbers of its followers believe in racial and religious intolerance, xenophobia, hate preaching, gay hatred, objectification/subjugation of women, extreme nationalism and sectarianism.

Quote: "What element of what I said is not true? I challenge to identify one thing that is not true."

Debate. ROFL.

Are you seriously implying that Muslims aren't or can't be:

"racial and religious intolerance";
"xenophobia";
"hate preaching";
"gay hatred; objectification/subjugation of women";
"extreme nationalism and sectarianism".

WAT? LMAO


you are such a HYPOCRITE. This MUST be satire.

No way you can be serious with that comment.
  • Post #240
  • Feb 1, 2017 8:59am Feb 1, 2017 8:59am
Quoting cliffedwards
Lets experiment with this logic..
Those who are Muslims (1.5 Billion people) are proud of their Faith and the ideals and laws on which the that Faith is based is based, whereas the other are a reactionary populist sect where large numbers of its followers believe in racial and religious intolerance, xenophobia, hate preaching, gay hatred, objectification/subjugation of women, extreme nationalism and sectarianism.

Quote: "What element of what I said is not true? I challenge to identify one thing that is not true."

Debate. ROFL.
Whilst racial and religious intolerance, xenophobia, hate preaching, gay hatred, objectification/subjugation of women, extreme nationalism and sectarianism. can all be found among the US population, neither the US constitution nor the laws of the US support these.

However the beliefs and practices mentioned earlier are contained in the Qur'an and the Hadith (laws and teachings)of that sect
  • Post #241
  • Edited at 9:16am Feb 1, 2017 9:04am | Edited at 9:16am
Quoting Devauxt
Whilst racial and religious intolerance, xenophobia, hate preaching, gay hatred, objectification/subjugation of women, extreme nationalism and sectarianism. can all be found among the US population, neither the US constitution nor the laws of the US support these.

However the beliefs and practices mentioned earlier are contained in the Qur'an and the Hadith (laws and teachings)of that sect
Cliff must be TROLLING with that comment, nobody would leave themselves open to ridicule and counter claims of blind hypocrisy unless it was DELIBERATE act, or unless they were being INCREDIBLY stupid/naive.
  • Post #242
  • Feb 1, 2017 9:07am Feb 1, 2017 9:07am
Quoting verv
Cliff must be TROLLING with that comment, nobody would leave themselves open to ridicule and claims of hypocrisy unless it was DELIBERATE, or if they are INCREDIBLY stupid.
I fear that there is no limit to his fluffy liberal socialist views
  • Post #243
  • Feb 1, 2017 9:09am Feb 1, 2017 9:09am
Quoting Devauxt
I fear that there is no limit to his fluffy liberal socialist views
No way. He isn't thick, no way he wrote that and couldn't see the irony lol. It must have been satire.

The only thing that would make it more ridiculous is if he was sporting a 'toothbrush mustache' LMAO - it truly would be a comedy act at that point.
  • Post #244
  • Feb 1, 2017 9:16am Feb 1, 2017 9:16am
Quoting verv
No way you can be serious with that comment.
here's a link (http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php...82#post9491925) post39

on post39 ciff said that he just says thing's to wind people up so basically his a toll also on me post38 you can follow that back and you will see him being intellectually dishonest and refusing to look at new information whilst being dishonest about the information his basically a men child that's how childish his behaviour is
  • Post #245
  • Edited at 9:37am Feb 1, 2017 9:19am | Edited at 9:37am
Quoting Ross88
here's a link (http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php...82#post9491925) post39

on post39 ciff said that he just says thing's to wind people up so basically his a toll also on me post38 you can follow that back and you will see him being intellectually dishonest and refusing to look at new information whilst being dishonest about the information his basically a men child that's how childish his behaviour is

Somewhat of a relief to know he wasn't accidentially being stupid, just deliberately so. At least I know now there are times he isn't being serious and is being deliberately provocative - i.e. Trolling

Trolling though is against forum rules. In fact all politics talk is against forum rules... FF should just ban the lot of us and save itself the trouble
  • Post #246
  • Feb 1, 2017 9:28am Feb 1, 2017 9:28am
Quoting verv
Somewhat of a relief to know he wasn't accidentially being stupid, just deliberately so. At least I know now there are times he isn't being serious and is being deliberately provocative - i.e. Trolling

Trolling though is against forum rules. In fact all politics talk is against forum rules... FF should just ban the lot of us and save itself the trouble.
FF like's the trouble it's click bait but yes Cilff is just a toll and not even a funny one but it's nice to see any credibility he had vanish over the last year of so and that more people are realising his just a toll
  • Post #247
  • Feb 1, 2017 9:34am Feb 1, 2017 9:34am
Trump has made the Right decision regarding ban on immigration.

US has to protect Democracy and the people.
  • Post #248
  • Feb 1, 2017 9:38am Feb 1, 2017 9:38am
Quoting frx_trader
Trump has made the Right decision regarding ban on immigration.

US has to protect Democracy and the people.
Totally agree. He could have done it in a better way, by the decision is sound

Trey Gowdy / Jason Chaffetz Prove Why Travel Ban Is Needed
Inserted Video
  • Post #249
  • Edited at 10:10am Feb 1, 2017 9:55am | Edited at 10:10am
I would like to share just a few comments about facts we as traders see everyday and that reflects the current situation of the country without taking any side.

1.- Right now its easer for day traders to trade and hedge funds are having a very hard time, trump tweets are making it impossible, in my case I am in both conditions, I am a day trader in a hedge fund and the way to trade right now is looking at his tweets, technical and fundamental is not working.

2.- Market reaction this week has been showing a huge down move in dow jones, this reflects the deep concern of investors that Trump is not seen as a long term president, no confidence at all.

3.- About the Transpacific and Nafta treaty, let me explain you how serious both are, In the Transpacific Trump decided to leave, with this decision he leaves his place to China, in simple words, he is giving away a porshe car with leather seats and with full tank and gave the keys to China, in exchange of NOTHING.
The rule number one in trading is never give something in exchange of nothing, even a small store owner knows that. So the damage is really huge, he turned USA from being the one who leads commerce and took it out giving the leaership instantly to China so now it will be China who will impose trading rules.

About Nafta, it was formed by 3 countries to trade with good conditions and benefit each other, the only thing that has changed in time is that at the time it was signed internet and online trading did not exist and it was not ruled since then, but Mexico is not taking advantage at all, you just need to read it to confirm it, dont take all the things Trump says for granted or truthful, first check everything, and in case Trump decide to leave 5 million jobs will be lost and around 250 million dllrs traded everyday will be lost, again it is only USA who is leaving, and Germany and maybe China again, are ready to take its place.

Also the way he ambushed the Mexican comitee by receiving them with the announcement of the wall, puts in danger not only Nafta but all relations, because consider Mexico is a frontier, the security of this frontier is an incaculable assets for USA he can ask to his predecesors.
In case of any trouble. Mexico can leave it totally abandoned, because you can do the dirty job of a friend but you must not do the dirty job of an enemy, so Cartels, centroamericans and terrorist could openly enter without any problem.

So this leaves USA out of everything, isolated, small and flooded with inmigrants and cartels.

4.- The inmigration order, In this case Trump totally shot himself in the foot, let me explain you why. Before Trump was President there are Treaties signed about refugees, in Geneve, those documents were signed among countries that agree to accept refugees, not only USA but Germany, Canada, etc. So Trump clearly did not know, nobody told him about those documents and his obligations as president to honour them and decided to invent a law to ban not only refugees but only Muslims, repeting all the time that Christians were dying so not only what he did was morally wrong, but also illegal, and he has to honour those documents which Angela Merkel had to call him and explain him what a Treaty is and which are his obligations, so in the next few days you will see how this rule will vanish. But also banning Muslims gave to the Radicals the perfect excuse to attack USA, the arab world is confirming the hate against them so those people that act as loners will increase a lot, now they have the perfect excuse.

Something I have also noticed is the respect and the image USA is having abroad, in the UK there will be a referendum to vote against the visit of Donald Trump and Asian banks are having trouble to make any negotiation because they think Trump will not honour any treatment he signs.


All those things were done in only 10 days, and the country already has severe social, economical, political, religous and terror threats.

At this moment the most important thing is the country I totally respect any political belief and I think that in both parties are very smart and valuable people, but USA in my humble opinion is having the worst time ever. If you still want a country with all the benefits it offered you then it is time to help the country it is time to do something for it, in only 10 days the country has problems many countries dont have at all, never.

Please think a little about it when you are alone at home, and pray for the country and its leaders, at this moment praying will help too.
  • Post #250
  • Feb 1, 2017 10:13am Feb 1, 2017 10:13am
blanca, nice to see you here

Quoting blanca
I would like to share just a few comments about facts we as traders see everyday and that reflects the current situation of the country without taking any side.

1.- Right now its easer for day traders to trade and hedge funds are having a very hard time, trump tweets are making it impossible, in my case I am in both conditions, I am a day trader in a hedge fund and the way to trade right now is looking at his tweets, technical and fundamental is not working.

2.- Market reaction this week has been showing a huge down move in dow jones, this...
  • Post #251
  • Feb 1, 2017 10:22am Feb 1, 2017 10:22am
Quoting Ill-b-back
I'll mention it once more for you as you seem a little slow on the uptake.
I am Australian, he is not my leader.

I've never heard of "cult of Trump" before. Another one of your "inventions".

I call into question your published approach to dealing with the spread of Islam, and this is your response?

You're embarrassing yourself.
Another deaf and mute debate...
It's really funny that the survivalists have stopped stocking up their survival bunker now that their fearless leader has been elected.
The clouds of unreason are becoming darker and larger
Your Trumpet is the lighting rod.
The world is preparing for war.
Humans never learn.
  • Post #252
  • Feb 1, 2017 10:26am Feb 1, 2017 10:26am
Quoting Devauxt
Totally agree. He could have done it in a better way, by the decision is sound

Trey Gowdy / Jason Chaffetz Prove Why Travel Ban Is Needed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KWgZ323Kko
Thank you. Some immigrants do not acknowledge let alone respect and honor your constitution nor laws nor culture. Some belief see your constitution, laws and culture are inferior and should be under their law. Even if you as the host country and they as immigrants.

And some immigrants think they are far more superior than their host country. And some immigrants think they should have more rights than the citizens.

In short some immigrants despise your constitution, Democracy, laws and culture.

I try to be as polite as possible. But also to be accurate. I have omitted some words that can be termed as hate speech.
  • Post #253
  • Feb 1, 2017 10:28am Feb 1, 2017 10:28am
Quoting SickOfScam
blanca, nice to see you here

Nice to see you too Sicky
  • Post #254
  • Feb 1, 2017 10:33am Feb 1, 2017 10:33am
Quoting frx_trader
Thank you. Some immigrants do not acknowledge let alone respect and honor your constitution nor laws nor culture. Some belief see your constitution, laws and culture are inferior and should be under their law. Even if you as the host country and they as immigrants.

And some immigrants think they are far more superior than their host country. And some immigrants think they should have more rights than the citizens.

In short some immigrants despise your constitution, Democracy, laws and culture.

I try to be as polite as possible. But also...
here's a survey to backup your post

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...important.html
  • Post #255
  • Feb 1, 2017 10:35am Feb 1, 2017 10:35am
Quoting Mingary
I am happy to be the only one seeing it.
It's really funny that the survivalists have stopped stocking up their survival bunker now that their fearless leader has been elected.
The clouds of unreason are becoming darker and larger
Your Trumpet is the lighting rod.
The world is preparing for war.
Humans never learn.
All you seem to do is shoot your mouth of with nothing but bovine faeces. You can't and never seem to be able to back anything up. It appears that you are factually illiterate
  • Post #256
  • Feb 1, 2017 12:16pm Feb 1, 2017 12:16pm
Quoting verv
Cliff must be TROLLING with that comment, nobody would leave themselves open to ridicule and counter claims of blind hypocrisy unless it was DELIBERATE act, or unless they were being INCREDIBLY stupid/naive.
Cliffedwards and others should look at this compendium of polls. They show where Muslim's thinking is. I'll also recommend a book: "The Muslim Brotherhood" by Carrie Wickham, 2013. It is a non emotionally written history of the group with quotes and interviews with the leaders.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pa...ion-polls.aspx
  • Post #257
  • Feb 1, 2017 12:45pm Feb 1, 2017 12:45pm
This article is perfect. Written for NZ but could be for any country around the world.
Mike Hosking: Trump tick: He's got our attention
5:00 AM Thursday Feb 2, 2017Add a comment
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•Opinion
Donald Trump, whatever you think of him, has stepped up people's interest in political affairs. Photo / AP
Say what you want about US President Donald Trump, it has been many a year since the entire planet has been quite as engaged with what's unfolding as right now, writes Mike Hosking.
Our own PM, Bill English, told me this week that everywhere he goes it's all about Trump. People of all ages are politically engaged, he's never seen the like - and neither have the rest of us.
Sean Spicer enters the White House press room and we take it live on ZB during my radio show. The Herald streams it. Ask yourself how many Josh Earnest briefings you watched or listened to live? Is the answer much larger than none?
What's really brought it to a peak is immigration, and that's an issue for us all. We are all grappling with it.
The first irony in the Trump move is last year's debate over Germany, and Europe in general by year's end, when Angela Merkel opened the flood gates and a million refugees had rolled across the borders.
It was widely held she'd made a catastrophic mistake, and the polls and several local elections have borne that out. Brexit was in a large way a result of the inability of Britain to control and contain who was arriving and from where. Australia, who you will note this week far from criticising Trump have in fact backed him, do so from a position of strength and experience. The boats are turned around, the problem has gone away.
What remains are the ones who have been let in under other leaders and administrations, and it's that residual mess that bogs them down.
But what we know from the Australian experience is that tough border control is electorally popular. Ask John Howard.
Here, we too face an immigration issue, albeit of a different sort - but also stoked by a lot of the same emotion we see in other countries.

The Government has been reticent to act on the numbers, or "flood" if you want to use the emotive term favoured by many, of people wanting to pitch their tent here.
I am a big fan of immigration.
From a cultural point of view it makes us a better, more international country with a greater, more detailed outlook on the world.
I am a fan through practicality as well. The irrefutable truth is that we need people to do work either we don't want to do, or, more often, haven't trained to do.
The fact we've failed to train enough engineers is a crime; the fact we're hopelessly short of builders is not much less of a crime. We have failed to match students with work.
We've failed to point kids in a direction that has genuine prospect.
We pump out arts degree grads and lawyers, when what we want are people to lay pipes, design buildings and change the world through tech.
I can't tell you how many interviews I've done with industries now recruiting overseas.
The New Zealand Initiative has helped in this area this week with its report into the broad topic of whether the numbers arriving here are good or not - and many say they're not.
Which is interesting, because as popular as the Government seems, it may be that they're out of step with a growing number with their policy in this area. And given it's an election year, it could bite them in the bum.
I hope not.
I hope all the noise and push back I hear on this is the headline-grabbers and attention-seekers, but there is no doubt there is a decent queue of those who think there are far too many people moving to New Zealand.
But you can't beat fact, and the initiative's report provides some excellent examples. Firstly, overall the numbers we have arriving provide more good than not.
There is a net gain to all of this.
So this argument that immigrants are taking all our jobs and driving up the house prices simply isn't true.
It is not dissimilar to that dreadful debate we had over foreign investors buying all the houses and never setting foot here. They were guilty of gouging us - until we found out they made up only 3 per cent of buyers, thus making virtually no difference.
But on houses - and this is the part most people don't get - of the 70,000 net gain "new arrivals" we're getting each year, half are returning New Zealanders or Australians. In other words, there's nothing we can do to contain that number even if we wanted to.
So in reality only 35,000 are your so-called new arrivals, and the initiative's report tells us it's the Kiwis and the Aussies buying the houses and applying the pressure.
So that easy old xenophobic line we roll out blaming all the foreigners also isn't true.
If we debate this on merit and fact we'll actually get somewhere, and hopefully we'll see that having a lot of people lining up is no bad thing, it's an endorsement of our success.
We should be proud of the fact that we have done so well, we shine so brightly, that we are on so many people's radar that they want to pack up and start a new life here.
They don't take our jobs, they add to them. They don't drain our economy, they fuel it. They don't inflate our house prices, others do it.
So, given that, let's deal with the only idea out of that report that doesn't seem to make sense: taxing them. Why, when they provide all these benefits, would you look to blow it by penalising them?
  • Post #258
  • Feb 1, 2017 12:51pm Feb 1, 2017 12:51pm
Quoting Devauxt
All you seem to do is shoot your mouth of with nothing but bovine faeces. You can't and never seem to be able to back anything up. It appears that you are factually illiterate
No need to.
Seeing the "Alex Jones" / Trump idiots rant and pontificate is a great source of entertainment.
  • Post #259
  • Feb 1, 2017 1:59pm Feb 1, 2017 1:59pm
Quoting Mingary
No need to.
Seeing the "Alex Jones" / Trump idiots rant and pontificate is a great source of entertainment.
I think it has more to do with your inability to research and for a persuasive argument relating to anything. Your mouth might be smart, your brain cell certainly is not.
  • Post #260
  • Feb 1, 2017 2:15pm Feb 1, 2017 2:15pm
Quoting Mingary
Another deaf and mute debate...
It's really funny that the survivalists have stopped stocking up their survival bunker now that their fearless leader has been elected.
The clouds of unreason are becoming darker and larger
Your Trumpet is the lighting rod.
The world is preparing for war.
Humans never learn.
You are absolutely right about this becoming another deaf and mute debate.
As has been pointed out by myself (and now others), your inability to stay on the specific topic raised or substantiate virtually ANYTHING you say with facts and your ability to constantly rely on nothing more than sensationalised headlines and metaphors of your own design, very quickly kills off any chance of reasonable debate.
  • Post #261
  • Feb 1, 2017 2:55pm Feb 1, 2017 2:55pm
Sometimes closet kkk members come out of the closet without knowing.
  • Post #262
  • Feb 1, 2017 2:59pm Feb 1, 2017 2:59pm
what will you lot do when DT passes legit rape law, you mothers, daughters and sisters get raped in the name of legit rape?
  • Post #263
  • Feb 1, 2017 3:16pm Feb 1, 2017 3:16pm
Quoting goldfinger
what will you lot do when DT passes legit rape law, you mothers, daughters and sisters get raped in the name of legit rape?
I think you have been smoking something illegal
  • Post #264
  • Feb 1, 2017 3:42pm Feb 1, 2017 3:42pm
Quoting goldfinger
what will you lot do when DT passes legit rape law, you mothers, daughters and sisters get raped in the name of legit rape?

very fair and valid point of view thanks for adding to the discussion your the men
  • Post #265
  • Feb 1, 2017 4:03pm Feb 1, 2017 4:03pm
Quoting goldfinger
what will you lot do when DT passes legit rape law, you mothers, daughters and sisters get raped in the name of legit rape?
I think there is something growing inside of you and it is impinging a critical nerve somewhere.
  • Post #266
  • Feb 1, 2017 5:05pm Feb 1, 2017 5:05pm
Forget Immigration ban the biggest threat to America is the $20 trillion debt and growing. The EU bailed out Greece but who is going to bail out America? America is too big to fail.
  • Post #267
  • Feb 1, 2017 6:06pm Feb 1, 2017 6:06pm
Quoting RondaRousey
Forget Immigration ban the biggest threat to America is the $20 trillion debt and growing. The EU bailed out Greece but who is going to bail out America? America is too big to fail.
$18 Trillion GDP .. Somehow I dont think so.
  • Post #268
  • Feb 1, 2017 6:10pm Feb 1, 2017 6:10pm
Quoting Ill-b-back
Being Australian, he is not MY leader and I certainly don't think he is Glorious, and it seems neither does anyone else. In fact, the ONLY person on these forums I see refering to Trump as "Glorious" is Mingary...
We dont have a leader in Australia which is probably worse..
  • Post #269
  • Feb 1, 2017 6:36pm Feb 1, 2017 6:36pm
Quoting lasty
{quote} We dont have a leader in Australia which is probably worse..
I agree with you on that point.

But he IS a good donour though

lol..
  • Post #271
  • Feb 1, 2017 8:34pm Feb 1, 2017 8:34pm
Quoting lasty
{quote} $18 Trillion GDP .. Somehow I dont think so.
I'm glad you are not running any country. Where exactly did you learn economics? Define me GDP and then explain how it pays off national debt? Of course America's national debt is a major concern.
  • Post #272
  • Feb 2, 2017 12:40am Feb 2, 2017 12:40am
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Curious that?
Hello Devauxt:

See my reply to jw1981, post 273
  • Post #273
  • Feb 2, 2017 12:44am Feb 2, 2017 12:44am
Quoting jw1981
Curious to know: Why aren't the muslim countries forthcoming in opening the doors to their refugee brothers?
Hello jw1981:

The reason why is because the Muslim refugees will bring their problems with them to the other Muslim countries.

Muslim countries already have internal conflicts with various Muslims sects. Sunni versus Shiite eg.. Radical Muslims versus moderate Muslims. Secular vesus non secular..

They have their own security concerns with radical Islamic terrorists. Why should they bother letting potential radical Islamic terrorists in to their country.

Letting in these refugees would be in effect be importing the problems, the conflicts that the refugees are suppose to be escaping.

They would be letting people in from both sides of these conflicts in to wage their rivalry in the host country. So why should they let them in.

They are not coming to these host countries to become citizens of the host country. They are coming to escape the problems from their country.

Islam is not a religion of love and tolerance. Rivalry between sects has been going on for centuries. A thousand years from now they will still be fighting with each other.
  • Post #274
  • Feb 2, 2017 12:45am Feb 2, 2017 12:45am
Quoting lasty
{quote} We dont have a leader in Australia which is probably worse..
JUST SEEN HIM ON tv , hahha hehhe hes now getting is forehead shined
  • Post #275
  • Feb 2, 2017 12:50am Feb 2, 2017 12:50am
Quoting Ill-b-back
One only needs to take a look a Mingarys' previous posts regarding the perceived threat of the spread of Islam to know HIS true position on the matter
Hello Ill-b-back,

See my below post where where I take a part Mingary's feeble minded anti-Trump attacks. Just hilarious.
I think he must be suffering from dementia. Just no cure for stupid. It's not just that he is wrong he doesn't even make any sense.

FF should have a Most Ignored Members list to save people from wasting time.

Violent clashes by protesters resume with police in downtown Washington blocks from Trump inauguration parade route Post 22
http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php...52#post9465782

It starts out
Let's review Mingary. In your tedious rant against Donald Trump, you have managed to present only 3 facts to support your position....
  • Post #276
  • Feb 2, 2017 1:12am Feb 2, 2017 1:12am
Quoting Calculus
{quote} No need to rant or rave, looks a great decision to me. Trump is starting to get tough, just as he was elected to do. And of course the laughs keep on coming as the King of Cucks (Chuck Schumer) starts to cry at a press conference. Shocking behaviour that from a politician. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GnjQsqUIRE
Crocodile tears from a globalist puppet.

May be Chuck Schumer will win an Oscar for best supporting puppet.
  • Post #277
  • Feb 2, 2017 1:19am Feb 2, 2017 1:19am
Quoting Ill-b-back
{quote} You are absolutely right about this becoming another deaf and mute debate. As has been pointed out by myself (and now others), your inability to stay on the specific topic raised or substantiate virtually ANYTHING you say with facts and your ability to constantly rely on nothing more than sensationalised headlines and metaphors of your own design, very quickly kills off any chance of reasonable debate.
Quoting Borg
{quote} Rant goes here ...
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I think it has more to do with your inability to research and for a persuasive argument relating to anything. Your mouth might be smart, your brain cell certainly is not.
Can't have a reasonable debate, I am just laughing too hard (;
You all card carrying members of the Trump Offensive Front just can't seem to understand how I find you and your Glorious Leader (yes, if you are Australian just look what happened to your PM, absolutely rip roaring belly slapping fun) so hilariously funny.

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  • Post #278
  • Feb 2, 2017 1:23am Feb 2, 2017 1:23am
Quoting Borg
{quote} They are not coming to these host countries to become citizens of the host country. They are coming to escape the problems from their country.
Hello Borg. You are almost right. Let me add more.

By letting them in means:

1. They view the host country has submitted to their laws. They are not to trade with you, nor to work for you, nor to become your nice neighbors. They want the host country to submit to their laws. I think this is clear.

2. They view the host country is their supporter and boost their pride. They often say their belief is the no 1 growing in the host country. And soon the host country will confess and bow to their belief and laws.

3. They are relentless until they achieve their goal. And don't forget. Deception to enemy is allowed and encouraged. I think we are aware of it.

Trump is very aware of and alert of these. Once you let them in, it's hardly possible to get rid of.
  • Post #279
  • Feb 2, 2017 1:32am Feb 2, 2017 1:32am
Quoting Mingary
{quote} {quote} You all card carrying members of the Trump Offensive Front just can't seem to understand how I find you and your Glorious Leader (yes, if you are Australian just look what happened to your PM, absolutely rip roaring belly slapping fun) so hilariously funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_Gi-4
I'm quite sure I dislike our PM as much as Trump does.
but once again, your post is full of nothing but your own hot air of sensationalism, typically devoid of any specific relevant points worthy of debate.
keep it coming, with every fact deficient, irrelevant post you make, you confirm the accuracy of your profile page status;
"I should be on your ignore list"
  • Post #280
  • Edited at 1:51am Feb 2, 2017 1:37am | Edited at 1:51am
Quoting Ill-b-back
{quote} I'm quite sure I dislike our PM as much as Trump does. but once again, your post is full of nothing but your own hot air of sensationalism, typically devoid of any specific relevant points worthy of debate. keep it coming, with every fact deficient, irrelevant post you make, you confirm the accuracy of your profile page status; "I should be on your ignore list"
This is your assignment, watch the monty python clip. Guess which character you (and the Trumpidoohs) represent (;
Come back to me with your answer so we can have a "reasonable debate" about it.
Here, I'll start. My character is represented by the guy wearing the hat... your turn.
  • Post #281
  • Feb 2, 2017 1:52am Feb 2, 2017 1:52am
Quoting Mingary
{quote} This is your assignment, watch the monty python clip. Guess which character you represent (; Come back to me with your answer so we can have a "reasonable debate" about it. Here, I'll start. My character is represented by the guy wearing the hat... your turn.
I've never been inclined to entertain your childish desires Mingary.
I'm not going to start now.
Try to enjoy your day...
  • Post #282
  • Feb 2, 2017 1:53am Feb 2, 2017 1:53am
turdbull being a elitest shinyhead , thought he could pull the wool over peoples eyes mate and got caught badly he should resign but he wants people to think hes a strong pm but we all know in Australia he a weak and badly wants to be liked


Quoting Mingary
{quote} {quote} {quote} Can't have a reasonable debate, I am just laughing too hard (; You all card carrying members of the Trump Offensive Front just can't seem to understand how I find you and your Glorious Leader (yes, if you are Australian just look what happened to your PM, absolutely rip roaring belly slapping fun) so hilariously funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4
  • Post #283
  • Feb 2, 2017 2:16am Feb 2, 2017 2:16am
Quoting Borg
{quote} Hello jw1981: The reason why is because the Muslim refugees will bring their problems with them to the other Muslim countries. Muslim countries already have internal conflicts with various Muslims sects. Sunni versus Shiite eg.. Radical Muslims versus moderate Muslims. Secular vesus non secular.. They have their own security concerns with radical Islamic terrorists. Why should they bother letting potential radical Islamic terrorists in to their country. Letting in these refugees would be in effect be importing the problems, the conflicts...
Well said Borg
  • Post #284
  • Feb 2, 2017 2:21am Feb 2, 2017 2:21am
Quoting Mingary
{quote} {quote} {quote} Can't have a reasonable debate, I am just laughing too hard (; You all card carrying members of the Trump Offensive Front just can't seem to understand how I find you and your Glorious Leader (yes, if you are Australian just look what happened to your PM, absolutely rip roaring belly slapping fun) so hilariously funny. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WboggjN_G-4
Let's be honest here, the reason you can't have a reasonable debate, is that you are not sufficiently equipped to do so. A chimp could have a smart mouth like yours, it takes a man to properly engage in debate
  • Post #285
  • Feb 2, 2017 2:29am Feb 2, 2017 2:29am
Quoting goldfinger
some people just need a high- five in the head with a chair. he he he
Funniest quote so far goldfinger.

But it sounds too Hitlary to me.
  • Post #286
  • Edited at 4:22am Feb 2, 2017 2:37am | Edited at 4:22am
People brain washed by the main stream media to think that a nation that wants to vet the people coming in to the country is wrong will never get it

Millions of illegals/refugees stampeding unchecked in to US and EU countries.

Over loading social services. Committing crimes way out of proportion to the rest of the country. Not interested in assimilating. Wanting to force their culture and values on the host country. Causing civil unrest. Running up huge costs.

All of the above well documented.

Like the people in a hypnotist show barking like a dog on all fours or flapping their arms and clucking like a chicken. The pro unchecked immigration people are msm brainwashed puppets.

Some countries seem to be realizing the problems that unchecked immigration causes.

What they don't realize is that their pro unchecked immigration leaders are globalist puppets.

Whose job is to destroy the sovereignty of their country by making their own people a minority in their own country.

All of this civil unrest will pave the way for a police state. A nation with no borders is not a nation.

It's a territory unable to defend it self, ripe for conquest by the globalists.

There is absolutely nothing positive about this mass unchecked immigration.

The strategy the puppet masters are using here is Karl Marx's dialectical materialism which came from Hegelian dialectics. This civil disorder they create is intended to make the people demand a police state type of government to bring law and order. The solution to the problem the puppet masters created is also by design. The people will be carefully guided to this predetermined solution. A solution which serves the puppet masters by concentrating power and control at the top. A solution which requires the democratic institutions of these countries to be dismantled.

In other words the puppet masters purposely create the problem, the people react in the expected way and demand a solution, and then the puppet masters guide them using the main stream media to a predetermined solution.

Turning civilized first world nations in to third world nations is no accident of nature. The sinister end game is world domination and only by destroying the sovereignty of nations with mass unchecked immigration can they do this. The citizens of these targeted countries will soon become minorities in their own country, unable to make their voices heard by voting since the invading immigrants will soon out number them and will not share their values.

Trump understands this and sees what has already happened in Europe and wants to prevent that from happening in the United States. All of the globalist puppets, like the ones in the British parliament, shrieking in anger that Trump has upset their apple cart is fun to watch. .

Don't believe me ? Hillary Clinton was the golden girl of the globalist. Their msm politically correct propaganda machine failed to get her elected. And now they are trying to destroy Donald Trump. Check out the below link which shows that open borders, as in a United States with no borders and by definition no longer a nation was her goal if she got elected. The same goal shared by all of the globalist puppet leaders. There is no republicans side, democrats side, liberals side or conservatives side. There is just our side and their side. The evil empire must be stopped and Donald Trump is leading the resistance.

Newt Gingrich: Hillary's dangerous dream of open borders
By Newt Gingrich Published October 14, 2016 FoxNews.com
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/...n-borders.html

My dream, she said, is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders.
  • Post #287
  • Edited at 3:02am Feb 2, 2017 2:45am | Edited at 3:02am
Quoting Borg
{quote} Hello Ill-b-back, See my below post where where I take a part Mingary's feeble minded anti-Trump attacks. Just hilarious. I think he must be suffering from dementia. Just no cure for stupid. It's not just that he is wrong he doesn't even make any sense. FF should have a Most Ignored Members list to save people from wasting time. Violent clashes by protesters resume with police in downtown Washington blocks from Trump inauguration parade route Post 22 http://www.forexfactory.com/news.php...52#post9465782 It starts out Let's...
Yeah, I'm not really sure what it is with Mingary.
He keeps referring to Trump as "Glorious leader", but I have no idea why.
Maybe he's trying to win favour with the President;
To get an autograph perhaps?

I'm sure if he keeps repeating this flattering title for long enough, someone with direct or indirect access to the President will eventually catch onto Mingarys' Mantra and put in a good word for the desperate soul.