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  • #441
  • Sep 4, 2006 5:51pm Sep 4, 2006 5:51pm
Quoting Takisd
I have the EA open, its short a/u e/u g/u. Now you see they are very negative. However will come down. The fact is, there has to be a way to get the dot PERFECTLY programmed on the EA.

This means it will go only on the final dot. However i cant think of the way.

The EA has only the problem of going very negative before positive. This can hurt if small account users use it. I thought about hedging but its not exactly my choice of trading so i avoid it.

The MA cross is too late.. The Dot is too early.. What can be used in between?
Takisd,

Your remarks are correct. I've tried several back scan scenarios to determine entry point. The v1.0e EA confirms that the previous bar (1 bar back) has changed signal from 2 Bars back. I tried v1.0f havings 2 bars back with same new trade signal and another EA with 3 bars back having same new trade signal. Everything I tried placed orders. Just that the 2 bars back placed fewer orders than 1 bar back and 3 bars back less than 2 bars back. In backtest the current v1.0e (1 bar back) out performed both 2 bars and 3 bars. It appeared that waiting for 2 bars or 3 bars with same signal, in many cases, got into the trade too late.

This week so far has been very slow due very slow trending pairs. On 2 demos, no orders have closed. I believe tlatomi method prefers moderate trending pairs. One demo is v1.0f trading dot to dot. The other is a new v2 that trades dot to dot plus 2nd order on MA cross (this was an idea from lietuve).

As I have said several times in this thread, I have doubts that a tlatomi method EA will ever be as good as the manual trading. Although, I do believe it is good enough to make profits automatically. Time will tell.

Wackena
  • #442
  • Sep 4, 2006 7:53pm Sep 4, 2006 7:53pm
You have done a good job. The E version of the EA works.. The problem is you have to have margin. Which means the profit size has to be small in order to maintain safety. Have you taken a look at a MACD option as confirmation? New bar shorter than old + dot = signal etc. I havent actually gotten into helping fix it, and I am sorry. But i have been really busy.

MACD should pretty much do it if you can program it to look for 2 signals. Always MA crosses are LATE.. Scrap that option. It works only 60% of the time and isnt as profitable. The dots usually happen on the end of a rally. Which is good because you will almost guarentee a profit. Just the profit is smaller than it could be. This is where MACD could come in. But again MACD can be delayed so you can miss signals.

The volume could be put into it also. However volume indicators on MT4 brokers are usually so fake there is no point..

There has to be something though.
  • #443
  • Edited 9:21pm Sep 5, 2006 11:17am | Edited 9:21pm
Hi,

3 trades i took last night with this method

TIGA-TLATOMI 4H 04/09/2006


Trade : Long 0.2 Lots USD/CHF @ 1.2320
Stop : Breakeven
Take profit : 1.2380
Result : 0.2 lots @ +14 PIPS
Trade : Short 0.2 Lots GBP/USD @ 1.9035
Stop : 1.9070
Take profit : 1.8956
Result : 0.1 lot @ +69 PIPS et 0.1 lot @ +103 PIPS
Trade : Short 0.2 Lots EUR/USD @ 1.2839
Stop : 1.2874
Take profit : 1.2798
Result : 0.2 lots @ +41 PIPS
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  • #444
  • Sep 5, 2006 12:54pm Sep 5, 2006 12:54pm
to judex,
which ea are u using and do u traders found this system profitable?

ea or manual trading also?


thx Jtrader
  • #445
  • Sep 5, 2006 1:09pm Sep 5, 2006 1:09pm
Quoting jtrader1
to judex,
which ea are u using and do u traders found this system profitable?

ea or manual trading also?


thx Jtrader
Hi Jtrader,

I don't use a EA - it's only manual trading and yes i find this system very profitable for me.

JudeX
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  • #446
  • Sep 5, 2006 1:51pm Sep 5, 2006 1:51pm
At about 8:00 o'clock (CET) this morning the red dot appeared both on EURUSD and GBPUSD charts and the EA closed the two sell orders with USD 21.00 and USD 17.00 profit respectively.

In one minute the EA opened one EURUSD buy and one GBPUSD buy orders both are floating now in negative - please see the statement attached.
Both the pairs have been falling for a while - please see the images attached. Both the trades could turn out in profit later - I have no doubt, but in short term the sell orders would have remained till the trend change. So, I think in this particular case SilverTrend signals were a bit early.
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File Type: zip Bogie_Tlatomi_v10e.zip   61 KB | 700 downloads
  • #447
  • Sep 5, 2006 4:29pm Sep 5, 2006 4:29pm
I got that too, almost -100 on g/u.. E/u doesnt look to bad.. Still stuck with an a/u short too at -60.
  • #448
  • Sep 5, 2006 9:20pm Sep 5, 2006 9:20pm
Trade : Long 0.2 Lots USD/JPY @ 116.09
Stop : 115.56
Take profit: 116.72 & 117.00
Result : ...

Still waiting for the three signal for the GBP/JPY.
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  • #449
  • Sep 5, 2006 9:32pm Sep 5, 2006 9:32pm
Long the jpy @ 116.04. Where do you see the long exit?
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Trade what you see - Not what you think
  • #450
  • Sep 5, 2006 9:51pm Sep 5, 2006 9:51pm
Quoting summitfx
Long the jpy @ 116.04. Where do you see the long exit?
Hi,

I place my exits with the vegas indicator as you can see on the chart.

http://tlatomi.com/blog/images/ff/graphusdjpy50906.gif
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  • #451
  • Sep 5, 2006 9:55pm Sep 5, 2006 9:55pm
Great-Thanks for a look at your chart. I've just plotted your indicators for the tlatomi method-need to review the Vegas method as well

Cheers~

?- do you have to refresh the Silvertrand indicator or is it just me/
Trade what you see - Not what you think
  • #452
  • Sep 6, 2006 7:47am Sep 6, 2006 7:47am
Quoting judex001
Trade : Long 0.2 Lots USD/JPY @ 116.09
Stop : 115.56
Take profit: 116.72 & 117.00
Result :0.1 lot @ +63 PIPS

My stop is now at 116.30 for the second lot.
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  • #453
  • Sep 6, 2006 7:52am Sep 6, 2006 7:52am
Quoting summitfx
Great-Thanks for a look at your chart. I've just plotted your indicators for the tlatomi method-need to review the Vegas method as well

Cheers~

?- do you have to refresh the Silvertrand indicator or is it just me/
Hi summitfx,

Long jpy @ 116.04 - is that your first trade with this method ?

Yes, you have to refresh the silvertrend indicator but with a 4 H Timeframe, you do that only when you see a ma cross coming.

Bye
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  • #454
  • Sep 6, 2006 10:30am Sep 6, 2006 10:30am
Quoting judex001
My stop is now at 116.30 for the second lot.
Stop @ 116.50 now
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  • #455
  • Sep 6, 2006 10:32am Sep 6, 2006 10:32am
Judex;

Nice trading- You pretty much nailed that 1st target-Very Impressive

Yes, Just started experimenting with the method.
Trade what you see - Not what you think
  • #456
  • Sep 6, 2006 10:45am Sep 6, 2006 10:45am
Is there an EA for this method?
  • #457
  • Sep 6, 2006 10:48am Sep 6, 2006 10:48am
Quoting raffaelst
Is there an EA for this method?
Hi raffaelst,

Read the lasts 10 pages of the thread - there is a discussion about an ea developped by Wackena.

Hope this helps.
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  • #458
  • Sep 6, 2006 12:00pm Sep 6, 2006 12:00pm
Quoting A1Cruiser
At about 8:00 o'clock (CET) this morning the red dot appeared both on EURUSD and GBPUSD charts and the EA closed the two sell orders with USD 21.00 and USD 17.00 profit respectively.

In one minute the EA opened one EURUSD buy and one GBPUSD buy orders both are floating now in negative - please see the statement attached.
Both the pairs have been falling for a while - please see the images attached. Both the trades could turn out in profit later - I have no doubt, but in short term the sell orders would have remained till the trend change. So, I think in this particular case SilverTrend signals were a bit early.
Well, after a day these two orders are floating in negative on my demo as follows:
EURUSD -->-60
GBPUSD --> -235
I think utilising the confimation by the MA cross would have been helpful this time (at least for short time).
  • #459
  • Sep 6, 2006 12:14pm Sep 6, 2006 12:14pm
Quoting judex001
Carmel :

Regarding the stops, I generaly take the high of the previous bars.
I live in canada so unfortunately i can't trade at 8:00 AM european time so i lost a lot of good opportunities but for the last month, on the cable, the results are :

Total : 6 trades - 4 winning and 2 losing
Profit : 451 pips
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NipthePips :

No, i don't test it on others currency except GBP/USD and GBP/JPY.
Any backtesting or forward would be gladly appreciated.
Thanks

jlowder :

Personaly, i don't take a trade when the cross happens before the dot or when the cross happens after the nonlag.
So, i wait for a dot then for the cross and then for the nonlag.
It doesn't matter if the cross and the nonlag happen at the same time but like i said earlier, the cross should never happen after the nonlag.

I hope this answers yours questions.
Could you post the the complete file for these three indicators for MT4 please. I have been to download and compile them but they do not appear in the custom indicators, only the SHI_Silver shows in the list.
Should I save the files to Indicators directory?
Thanks
Regards
  • #460
  • Edited 1:14pm Sep 6, 2006 12:49pm | Edited 1:14pm
hello,

is there any other indicator that works well with this method, i tried using this with stoch..and the result is much better...almost zero false signal. i've been working alot with this technique and teach some to my fellow friends who have difficulty is understanding the forex term and lingo...especially the english word...while doing that i experiment this method with alot of indicator some are custom made from other developer and some are from meta itself...

yet no other indicator can beat the stoch...what do you all think...its simple and easy to understand....
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