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  • Jan 13, 2017 6:34am Jan 13, 2017 6:34am
  •  Mercennary
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Guys, if one's looking to place small scalps would you consider a reasonable sequence of timeframes to be H1 for curve, m15 for momentum and m5 for execution?
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  • Jan 13, 2017 7:25am Jan 13, 2017 7:25am
  •  Szymon
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Guys, if one's looking to place small scalps would you consider a reasonable sequence of timeframes to be H1 for curve, m15 for momentum and m5 for execution?
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as far as i know SAD could be applied to any timeframe but analysis should be based upon 3 timeframes where every lower is 4 times smaller.
60min / 4 = 15min
15min /4 = 3,75min - so you should probably consider 3m timeframe. my guess.

regards
s.
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  • Jan 13, 2017 7:53am Jan 13, 2017 7:53am
  •  Szymon
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{quote} Hello Szymon. Thank you for helping TaDaDa out. Best wishes
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no probem at all, Akt.

if i may - next question Akt is to You sorry to be so time demanding. please refer to the text below. thank You.

during my journey with trading i found that 2 factors are key points in order to be profitable in long run. one is the probability which gives your win ratio PLUS the second your risk/reward ratio (sometimes called risk margin). i could be over 50% wrong (and this is the case of my vsa trading) but if my min r/r is 1/3 - i am still profitable.
when i take a look at my account history i am wrong almost 7 times per every 10 trades but i remember to take only trades with r/r 1/3 ratio which means that in the worst scenario i close the month somewhere around zero point. on average my r/r is over 4.5 and this is why the system works.
could You please, Akt, write how Your trading looks from this perspective? what is your win ratio and what is min r/r? do You trade for living? thank You again. i apologize if the question is to straight.

regards,
s.
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  • Jan 13, 2017 8:51am Jan 13, 2017 8:51am
  •  JoeMcCool
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It is not about to be correct with your analysis all the time. Both ways had their SaD reasons, both paid out. Just the edge of SaD.

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Joe
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  • Jan 13, 2017 9:09am Jan 13, 2017 9:09am
  •  JoeMcCool
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Guys, if one's looking to place small scalps would you consider a reasonable sequence of timeframes to be H1 for curve, m15 for momentum and m5 for execution?
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hey mercennary, trading the lower timeframes is a bit more tricky because you need your time to go trough the analysis. the rule with 4 tfs lower is good but in this case you could go with H1/M15/M5 or even H1/M15/M1 if your platform doesn't have a 3min chart.

greets
Joe
 
 
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  • Jan 13, 2017 9:15am Jan 13, 2017 9:15am
  •  JoeMcCool
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{quote} no probem at all, Akt. if i may - next question Akt is to You sorry to be so time demanding. please refer to the text below. thank You. during my journey with trading i found that 2 factors are key points in order to be profitable in long run. one is the probability which gives your win ratio PLUS the second your risk/reward ratio (sometimes called risk margin). i could be over 50% wrong (and this is the case of my vsa trading) but if my min r/r is 1/3 - i am still profitable. when i take a look at my account history i am wrong...
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Hey Szymon,
not speaking for AKT but a system thats works is good. min r/r should be at least 1:1 and its about the trader who trades. dont expect to get the same win ratio like AKT when you are new to SaD, its not that easy to copy someones mindship. Maybe you should join one of his free meetings, the next is end of january.

Greets
Joe
 
 
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  • Jan 13, 2017 9:33am Jan 13, 2017 9:33am
  •  TaDaDa
  • | Joined Jan 2014 | Status: Member | 79 Posts
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{quote} no problem and answering to your question regarding the trendline breaking - it is broken as soon as the hole candle is above (down trendline) or below (up trendline) and the hole candle means including the high and the low (all the wicks), every tick of the candle must be above/below the trendline - then it is broken. s.
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Great !! Thanks so much !!
 
 
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  • Jan 13, 2017 9:48am Jan 13, 2017 9:48am
  •  Szymon
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{quote} Hey Szymon, not speaking for AKT but a system thats works is good. min r/r should be at least 1:1 and its about the trader who trades. dont expect to get the same win ratio like AKT when you are new to SaD, its not that easy to copy someones mindship. Maybe you should join one of his free meetings, the next is end of january. Greets Joe
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thank you for the info. i hope Akt will manage to find time to answer my questions.
yes, you are correct it is not easy at all to achieve even close result to someone who is experienced in the methodology which is just started being learnt. i am aware of that. it is only again my analytical mind. i feel very comfortable when i have as much data as possible and as we all know - trading is above all about trader's mind. this is why i dare to ask.
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  • Jan 13, 2017 10:44am Jan 13, 2017 10:44am
  •  Akt
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{quote} no probem at all, Akt. if i may - next question Akt is to You sorry to be so time demanding. please refer to the text below. thank You. during my journey with trading i found that 2 factors are key points in order to be profitable in long run. one is the probability which gives your win ratio PLUS the second your risk/reward ratio (sometimes called risk margin). i could be over 50% wrong (and this is the case of my vsa trading) but if my min r/r is 1/3 - i am still profitable. when i take a look at my account history i am wrong...
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Hello Szymon.
About profitability vs reward to risk ratios....
I think the research evidence is quite clear on it. The bigger the risk to reward ratios the lower the win percentages.
That is just the nature of trading. That's one of the reasons it is a numbers game.
So like you said, you have to only be right 33% of the time taking 3:1 reward to risk ratios to be profitable.
I call it trader math.
It is very important to know and only just recently we talked about it for a second time in the group.
Maybe i will post something about it this weekend

For me, i know you have not attended any of the webinars yet because i have introduced myself in them a few times.
No, i am not a full time trader nor do i want to be right now. I have two passions, one of which is trading.
I have another life outside of trading which i talk about privately.

But i am curious Szymon, about the interest in my personal stats?

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
 
 
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  • Jan 13, 2017 11:01am Jan 13, 2017 11:01am
  •  Akt
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Guys, if one's looking to place small scalps would you consider a reasonable sequence of timeframes to be H1 for curve, m15 for momentum and m5 for execution?
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Hi Mercennary.

Yes, this sequence works well for shorter term trades

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
 
 
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  • Jan 13, 2017 11:10am Jan 13, 2017 11:10am
  •  Mercennary
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{quote} as far as i know SAD could be applied to any timeframe but analysis should be based upon 3 timeframes where every lower is 4 times smaller. 60min / 4 = 15min 15min /4 = 3,75min - so you should probably consider 3m timeframe. my guess. regards s.
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{quote} hey mercennary, trading the lower timeframes is a bit more tricky because you need your time to go trough the analysis. the rule with 4 tfs lower is good but in this case you could go with H1/M15/M5 or even H1/M15/M1 if your platform doesn't have a 3min chart. greets Joe
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{quote} Hi Mercennary. Yes, this sequence works well for shorter term trades best wishes
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Thanks guys!
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  • Jan 13, 2017 11:32am Jan 13, 2017 11:32am
  •  bleeze
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Hello everyone,
AUDJPY intraday
confirmation entry on 5mins
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cut your losses short and let your profit run
 
 
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  • Jan 13, 2017 11:52am Jan 13, 2017 11:52am
  •  bleeze
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EURGBP intraday.
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cut your losses short and let your profit run
 
 
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  • Jan 13, 2017 11:57am Jan 13, 2017 11:57am
  •  Heelfan23
  • | Joined Sep 2015 | Status: Member | 115 Posts
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EURGBP intraday. {image}
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I actually got in on that one as well. Thank you for sharing how this works shorter term as well!
 
 
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  • Jan 13, 2017 12:33pm Jan 13, 2017 12:33pm
  •  TaDaDa
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Hello everyone, AUDJPY intraday confirmation entry on 5mins {image} {image} {image}
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Hi Bleeze, thank you for the analyst.
Would this how you would take the trade at M5?
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  • Jan 13, 2017 2:03pm Jan 13, 2017 2:03pm
  •  bleeze
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{quote} Hi Bleeze, thank you for the analyst. Would this how you would take the trade at M5? {image}
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hello TaDaDa, i dont think i understand your chart....can u post a top down analysis to be able to determine what zone your watching on your higher timeframe?
i only use thee 5mins tf as my entry tf
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  • Jan 13, 2017 2:05pm Jan 13, 2017 2:05pm
  •  bleeze
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{quote} I actually got in on that one as well. Thank you for sharing how this works shorter term as well!
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am glad you can make sense out of my charts...you dont have to thank me, you are the one doing all the work
cut your losses short and let your profit run
 
 
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  • Jan 13, 2017 3:16pm Jan 13, 2017 3:16pm
  •  cakey
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Long time lurker .. thanks for the helpful thread. Here is an analysis on GBP/JPY intraday.

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  • Jan 13, 2017 3:52pm Jan 13, 2017 3:52pm
  •  Heelfan23
  • | Joined Sep 2015 | Status: Member | 115 Posts
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Hello everyone, AUDJPY intraday confirmation entry on 5mins {image} {image} {image}
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https://www.tradingview.com/x/TQTUc9Df/
I had taken a different approach on this trade. Last night I saw the break of the 1hr trend line. Daily flow continued down, then pulled back to the zone. So I took a short position, risking twelve pips. Closed it at an area where higher volume had previously come into the market just above my bottom zone. I thank you again for showing that SAD can be used scalping as well! I have been a scalp trader, trying to move to more of a swing trader. It has been very difficult to change from that mentality. Holding positions, and being patient is hard when your used to get in, get out. So seeing that I can scalp this as well, helps while still developing the mental side of true SAD methodology. I have taken 3 positions, on two pairs today with a net of about 110 pips, not too bad. I never would have done that without you showing a different side of SAD trading. We all get caught up in looking for the longer TF setups, some of these help with still making progress, as well as making the mistakes smaller TFs is a lot less damaging to my account . Once again I thank everyone here for all comments and questions. I think we all benefit from each others knowledge, and curiosity.
 
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  • Jan 13, 2017 5:38pm Jan 13, 2017 5:38pm
  •  Szymon
  • | Joined Jun 2014 | Status: Member | 79 Posts
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{quote} Hello Szymon. About profitability vs reward to risk ratios.... I think the research evidence is quite clear on it. The bigger the risk to reward ratios the lower the win percentages. That is just the nature of trading. That's one of the reasons it is a numbers game. So like you said, you have to only be right 33% of the time taking 3:1 reward to risk ratios to be profitable. I call it trader math. It is very important to know and only just recently we talked about it for a second time in the group. Maybe i will post something about it this...
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hello Akt,
thank You for the answer. i couldnt find the answer about r/r ratio rule in Your matrix, its ok, i will not push You to answer any more
the interest is not about anything personal, sorry if it looked like, i apologize. it was not my intention at all. i just found it a crucial thing to ask because You seem to me very prof. and there is something very calm and very wise and a kind of huge certainty in Your answers and Your words. i simply think You are very intersting and valuable person (not only as a trader). i think it is not a blind luck i have found Your thread (i know it could sond stupid, sorry for that).
anyway, thank You for Your time and all efforts. i am among the others admiring Your knowledge and am trying to understand Your way of understanding the market. as far as my experience people who can guide are the only way of become successful trader.
regards, s.
Mind is like a parachute - it is useful only if open
 
 
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