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  • #141
  • Nov 22, 2016 4:19am Nov 22, 2016 4:19am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} This is a trading platform. Have openCL complex things a lot of for coders without big experience. If you add multithread almost nobody will use...
They also added OOP and almost nobody uses it. I would have a lot things that i must do with dirty workaround since the absence of multithreading (multi currency EA's that currently only working with timers and you don't have any callback for the single ticks except the pair you running that ea on). So you end in searching for the smallest timer amount to get all calculations done and still have a good response. Or you end up opening 28 terminals that call your external programs when they are able to work multithreaded. Then you only have the problem that the terminal that gets a request is limited to the timer or tick to respond. Taking all this in account there are no alternative when you want a solid development plattform. So my hope is that all those things will come in MT5 when MT4 dies.
  • #142
  • Nov 22, 2016 4:25am Nov 22, 2016 4:25am
Quoting angus
{quote} For the most part Protrader does. Not sure about ea's as I don't use them. https://protrader.org/
I have looked at their homepage. Looks like it uses C# for programming.
When your broker is not supported you have to use MT4 with an EA to route your commands. But then you have the same issues as MQ4. The EA that gets all requests and give all responses is running in the terminal thread, you gain nothing in using that, only a more fancy UI.
  • #143
  • Nov 22, 2016 4:38am Nov 22, 2016 4:38am
Quoting JensItzig
{quote} They also added OOP and almost nobody uses it. I would have a lot things that i must do with dirty workaround since the absence of multithreading (multi currency EA's that currently only working with timers and you don't have any callback for the single ticks except the pair you running that ea on). So you end in searching for the smallest timer amount to get all calculations done and still have a good response. Or you end up opening 28 terminals that call your external programs when they are able to work multithreaded. Then...
I prefer simpler things. Multiterminal can be resolved with pipes like copiers tools. Really important MT5 is better. I agree with people have some things like merge trades in one position are not good but problem is MT5 was made thinking in FIFO rules and I don't think this behavior with trades will be change in a future. But always you can code a tool for simulate tickets. It's more work but you can do it. Then really is not a problem. Only an issue
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  • #144
  • Nov 22, 2016 6:06am Nov 22, 2016 6:06am
Quoting angus
{quote} For the most part Protrader does. Not sure about ea's as I don't use them. https://protrader.org/
Thanks for info. It supports MT4 indicators MQL4 languages. Any Mt4 brokers can be connected as per chat assistant in that side. Independent platform to run Metatrader4 indicators. Now free later may be paid platform . If Mt4 closed , Mt4 users still be able to run indicators/scripts irrespective of facility of forex broker provided Mt4 or Mt5 or any other. So far it's beginning of hope ...hope program makers build similar application that support MQL4 code.
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  • #145
  • Nov 22, 2016 6:27am Nov 22, 2016 6:27am
Quoting yesyoucan
{quote} Thanks for info. It supports MT4 indicators MQL4 languages. Any Mt4 brokers can be connected as per chat assistant in that side. Independent platform to run Metatrader4 indicators. Now free later may be paid platform . If Mt4 closed , Mt4 users still be able to run indicators/scripts irrespective of facility of forex broker provided Mt4 or Mt5 or any other. So far it's beginning of hope ...hope program makers build similar application that support MQL4 code.
its webtrading application not working on my pc, have you tried the indicators yourself if they are working properly or not.
  • #146
  • Nov 22, 2016 6:36am Nov 22, 2016 6:36am
Quoting yesyoucan
{quote} Thanks for info. It supports MT4 indicators MQL4 languages. Any Mt4 brokers can be connected as per chat assistant in that side. Independent platform to run Metatrader4 indicators. Now free later may be paid platform . If Mt4 closed , Mt4 users still be able to run indicators/scripts irrespective of facility of forex broker provided Mt4 or Mt5 or any other. So far it's beginning of hope ...hope program makers build similar application that support MQL4 code.
Where did you find that? The indicators are writen in C#. Having a MT4 bridge not mean that you can use EX4 within their program.
  • #147
  • Nov 22, 2016 6:42am Nov 22, 2016 6:42am
This also interesting..

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Michael Maggi
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2016.11.22 08:59 #15
I just spoke with FXCM again about MT5 and they have no plans to switch their broker version to MT5. They say the demand is too small. I added my support for MT5 ... despite counting for very little.
I also discussed using MT5 and a copier to MT4 so I can use MT5 with the software doing its job via MT4. There is no problem for executing trades...

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Quoting JensItzig
{quote} Where did you find that? The indicators are writen in C#. Having a MT4 bridge not mean that you can use EX4 within their program.
I just downloaded their platform , have to test it. I asked customer support and they said above all. It requires original MQL4 file instead of .ex4 files. Testing under process. Go to pro trader site, ask your clarifications you need. Support is online now.

Quoting Skat
{quote} its webtrading application not working on my pc, have you tried the indicators yourself if they are working properly or not.
under trial. I didn't fully check yet.
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  • #148
  • Nov 22, 2016 7:07am Nov 22, 2016 7:07am
Quoting yesyoucan
I just downloaded their platform , have to test it. I asked customer support and they said above all. It requires original MQL4 file instead of .ex4 files. Testing under process.
This would be possible for sure, when they parse and interpret those source files or convert them to their logic an compile it. But i can hardly believe that they will do that much work to support it. Even if they only port a subset of the MQ4 syntax it will not solve the problem, because it will not work for that parts with syntax thei don't have ported. Very difficult. I will definitely have a look at it.
  • #149
  • Nov 22, 2016 7:33am Nov 22, 2016 7:33am
Protrader bridge is for support MT servers. Forget run ex4 in that platform ( they gave that possibility with bulds below 600 but never worked well )
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  • #150
  • Nov 22, 2016 7:49am Nov 22, 2016 7:49am
Quoting JensItzig
{quote} Where did you find that? The indicators are writen in C#. Having a MT4 bridge not mean that you can use EX4 within their program.
not in C#.

MetaQuotes Language 4 is based on the concepts of the popular С++ programming language. MQL4 is also a high-level object-oriented programming language.
  • #151
  • Nov 22, 2016 7:57am Nov 22, 2016 7:57am
Quoting ruma29
{quote} not in C#. MetaQuotes Language 4 is based on the concepts of the popular С++ programming language. MQL4 is also a high-level object-oriented programming language.
They using C# look at this. https://protrader.org/ptmc-api/netscriptindicators

And thank you for the short explanation about MQ4, now i finally know why think i hav seen this stuff already.
  • #152
  • Nov 22, 2016 8:37am Nov 22, 2016 8:37am
Quoting JensItzig
{quote} They using C# look at this. https://protrader.org/ptmc-api/netscriptindicators And thank you for the short explanation about MQ4, now i finally know why think i hav seen this stuff already.
it is not my explanation...that is what MetaQuotes says.

my wander and previous comment is related to know if decompiler for C# or C++ can decompile ex4...I am not programmer have no clue what is base for MQL,
I just need decompiler for ex4.
  • #153
  • Nov 22, 2016 8:47am Nov 22, 2016 8:47am
Quoting ruma29
{quote} it is not my explanation...that is what MetaQuotes says. my wander and previous comment is related to know if decompiler for C# or C++ can decompile ex4...I am not programmer have no clue what is base for MQL, I just need decompiler for ex4.
Evidently you cant. You can compile code with small modifications but you can't decompile something is not native ( mql code is compiled native but have an encryption for you can't access to that code)
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  • #154
  • Nov 22, 2016 9:03am Nov 22, 2016 9:03am
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Evidently you cant. You can compile code with small modifications but you can't decompile something is not native ( mql code is compiled native but have an encryption for you can't access to that code)
OK. good to know to save time...will keep searching ...someone on black market will come up with good decompiler, to make money... i need just for one indicator and i am done...
  • #155
  • Nov 22, 2016 9:04am Nov 22, 2016 9:04am
Quoting ruma29
{quote} it is not my explanation...that is what MetaQuotes says. my wander and previous comment is related to know if decompiler for C# or C++ can decompile ex4...I am not programmer have no clue what is base for MQL, I just need decompiler for ex4.
This shows me that you have no glue what we discuss here. I'm fully aware what MQ4, C#, C and C++ are. We are talking about the API and programming language of the ProTrader Tool. Their indicators and experts must be written in C#. Therefore i wrote i can't believe that they will ever be able to execute EX4 within their tool.

And what you write i see that my theory is correct. All guys are whining here about the MT5 switch are not having the tools programmed or build by a programmer. Mostly stolen from dubious sites or leeched from other sources. So i state again, when you are not able to tell a programmer how to build your tool or even don't know how an indi or ea is working, you can't be a good trader. A good trader would never took trades by the advice of an unknown source. You have to understand what you do and only get help from an indi or ea, that's it. So wait some time then you can download most of the stuff again on the net for "free" and run it on MT5. I like it when the IP of the creator is more secured and when all suckers will be playing outside (unfortunately only for a while) after that switch.
  • #156
  • Nov 22, 2016 9:08am Nov 22, 2016 9:08am
Quoting ruma29
{quote} OK. good to know to save time...will keep searching ...someone on black market will come up with good decompiler, to make money... i need just for one indicator and i am done...
Good luck. They will took your money and you get useless stuff back. Then try to catch them when you have hired them to break laws in mostly every country (maybe except serbia).

For 500$ i decompile you every indicator you want.
  • #157
  • Nov 22, 2016 9:09am Nov 22, 2016 9:09am
Quoting ruma29
{quote} OK. good to know to save time...will keep searching ...someone on black market will come up with good decompiler, to make money... i need just for one indicator and i am done...
I'm sorry. While nobody knows how is encrypted ( is MQ own solution) you will not have tools. And if you see one it's fake
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  • #158
  • Nov 22, 2016 9:17am Nov 22, 2016 9:17am
Dunno , A programmer said ..save Mt4 copy , buy datafeed and work with MT4 simple. Just Mt4 data was free ,now you need to pay for data. That programmer is capable to import data to Mt4 from any stock exchanges or market in real time. Actually what I understand he said "we can use forex data to analyze in Mt4" only we need Mt5 or any other platform to place trade formally with broker.
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  • #159
  • Nov 22, 2016 9:26am Nov 22, 2016 9:26am
Quoting JensItzig
{quote} Good luck. They will took your money and you get useless stuff back. Then try to catch them when you have hired them to break laws in mostly every country (maybe except serbia). For 500$ i decompile you every indicator you want.
Why would I pay you 500 for useless staff? Metaquotes with late decision just smashed retail traders. To be fair it should provide decompiler and smash coders as well. Those who are more dependent on indicators then me , those who use complex indicators with all kind of requirements will look for solution then me and many others like me will use that solution as well...this is just beginning to resolve issue...
  • #160
  • Nov 22, 2016 10:14am Nov 22, 2016 10:14am
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..save Mt4 copy , buy datafeed and work with MT4 simple

It's getting better and better. Imagine this, you buy a datafeed that gives you tickdata and convert it to crappy M1 data only the use old indicators and ea's working on the data you have removed valueable informations. Then you bridge 2 times to get trade commands from MT4 through your 3rd party program into MT5. I bet the programmer has already such a solution and will piss in his pants while laughing when he sold you that.

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Why would I pay you 500 for useless staff? Metaquotes with late decision just smashed retail traders. To be fair it should provide decompiler and smash coders as well. Those who are more dependent on indicators then me , those who use complex indicators with all kind of requirements will look for solution then me and many others like me will use that solution as well...this is just beginning to resolve issue...

You don't understand that this offer was more ironic, aren't you? You will not pay me for useless stuff so pay nobody, because it's always useless when it comes to decompile EX4. I don't say that this will not be done, but the time and effort to do this will exceed the reward by far.

So you use a complex indicator with all kind of requirements? I bet brain can offer you a migration as well as i can do. But i also bet you don't know what this complex indicator does under the hood, did you? So we're back to my first state, that all guys whining here don't have the calculation of their used stuff or only stole it (and from hire a black hat to decompile to using stolen software it's a tiny step).
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