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  • #144,861
  • Nov 8, 2016 9:22am Nov 8, 2016 9:22am
I like to see cut in capital gains tax 35% highest in develop economies so businesses have incentive and capital to grow and create jobs! _I must be an idiot Trump supporter
I like to see less spending and elimination of Obama care-I must be an idiot Trump supporter
I like to see laws in USA be enforced and legal immigration encouraged and illegal immigration discouraged-I must be an idiot Trump supporter

Obama added 10 trillion dollars in 8 yrs on national debt and in 2009 it was 10.2 trillion now almost 20 t
Double that debt in just 8yrs and Hillary would like to add more on top of it, stifle businesses and empty promise of jobs....I guess we are used to credit card mentality just charge it sir to next generation!
I must be a Islamophobic for wanting more screening on potential terrorists.I must be a Islamophobic for wanting honest discourse how bringing Syrian refugees is bad idea in this country.I must be a racist for wanting people to respect the borders! Yes I am all that to idiots!but for rational people it all makes sense.
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  • #144,862
  • Nov 8, 2016 9:26am Nov 8, 2016 9:26am
Quoting Davit
I like to see cut in capital gains tax 35% highest in develop economies so businesses have incentive and capital to grow and create jobs! _I must be an idiot Trump supporter I like to see less spending and elimination of Obama care-I must be an idiot Trump supporter I like to see laws in USA be enforced and legal immigration encouraged and illegal immigration discouraged-I must be an idiot Trump supporter Obama added 10 trillion dollars in 8 yrs on national debt and in 2009 it was 10.2 Ttrillion Double that debt in just 8yrs and Hillary would like...
+1. Wanted to type same text
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  • #144,863
  • Nov 8, 2016 9:40am Nov 8, 2016 9:40am
Hidden for breach of trader conduct !!!! WTF No matter what someone thinks of Sisses post , I enjoy the discussions and to complain about his posts was utter BULLSHIT !!!
Peace
  • #144,864
  • Nov 8, 2016 9:43am Nov 8, 2016 9:43am
Now Pharmor too . Again , pure bs !!!
Peace
  • #144,865
  • Nov 8, 2016 9:44am Nov 8, 2016 9:44am
Quoting Davit
I like to see cut in capital gains tax 35% highest in develop economies so businesses have incentive and capital to grow and create jobs! _I must be an idiot Trump supporter I like to see less spending and elimination of Obama care-I must be an idiot Trump supporter I like to see laws in USA be enforced and legal immigration encouraged and illegal immigration discouraged-I must be an idiot Trump supporter Obama added 10 trillion dollars in 8 yrs on national debt and in 2009 it was 10.2 trillion now almost 20 t Double that debt in just 8yrs and Hillary...
I don't think those ideas and concerns are idiotic. Personally I share many of the economic ones with you. Dropping the corporate tax rate is the only one that you mentioned that I can see trump agreeing with though. His plans blow up deficits, debt and the charge it to the next generation idea you've got there much more than any of the other candidates according to bipartisan reviews I've read. Couple that with his trade plans and its hard to tell him apart from Bernie Sanders imo.That's the point where discussion usually breaks down though as we all seem to have contradictory sources and facts these days. I guess more than anything I'd say I wish very badly there was a conservative in this race (that doesn't carry with him a platform that stands no chance of seeing the light of day that is)
Sigh. Maybe next time.
  • #144,866
  • Nov 8, 2016 9:47am Nov 8, 2016 9:47am
Wow. Ridiculous. It's election day for f*ck sake. A little politics in the thread is such a problem? Oh well flag me too then whoever you are.
  • #144,867
  • Nov 8, 2016 9:51am Nov 8, 2016 9:51am
Quoting sisse
... Very good last few pages in the thread...showing that you can have intelligent civilised discussion about politics when trolls, liars and the uninformed are not stirring the pot ... [check]
  • #144,868
  • Nov 8, 2016 9:53am Nov 8, 2016 9:53am
Quoting goosebone
Wow. Ridiculous. It's election day for f*ck sake. A little politics in the thread is such a problem? Oh well flag me too then whoever you are.
this happened prior to Brexit too on some sisse´s post. so no suprises. one side just cannot stand criticism. interesting it is the same one. coincidence? dont think so
  • #144,869
  • Nov 8, 2016 10:02am Nov 8, 2016 10:02am
Quoting goosebone
Wow. Ridiculous. It's election day for f*ck sake. A little politics in the thread is such a problem? Oh well flag me too then whoever you are.
Flag me too :-) I find it pathetic there seems to be this censorship that is so easily offended when someone has almost any opinion that differs or threatens its own. I love that each of us here has our own opinions and beliefs. If we are not allowed to speak our truths then whoever flagged sisse and pharmor should just go ahead and flag us all!!!
  • #144,870
  • Nov 8, 2016 10:03am Nov 8, 2016 10:03am
Quoting chester123
{quote} this happened prior to Brexit too on some sisses post. so no suprises. one side just cannot stand criticism. interesting it is the same one. coincidence? dont think so
The person flagging appropriate posts are risking ban. If it is same person as last time hopefully permanent ban.
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  • #144,871
  • Nov 8, 2016 10:07am Nov 8, 2016 10:07am
interesting that .....freedom of speech Is so frowned upon in modern society when it was supposed to be the fabric that weaved todays
  • #144,872
  • Edited 10:29am Nov 8, 2016 10:09am | Edited 10:29am
Quoting Davit
I like to see cut in capital gains tax 35% highest in develop economies so businesses have incentive and capital to grow and create jobs! _I must be an idiot Trump supporter I like to see less spending and elimination of Obama care-I must be an idiot Trump supporter I like to see laws in USA be enforced and legal immigration encouraged and illegal immigration discouraged-I must be an idiot Trump supporter Obama added 10 trillion dollars in 8 yrs on national debt and in 2009 it was 10.2 trillion now almost 20 t Double that debt in just 8yrs and Hillary...
Exactly the same view about Trump as my best friend that lives in Florida.

BUT, Sisse didn't say this what you ment he is saying, he is saying that beside you and my friend and some others that are not all that negative names sisse named in his post - beside all of you Trump will win all the votes of all the people that are all that what sisse mentioned. You missread his post.

"No. I have and never labeled all Trump supporters as a racist, xenophobe, idiot, uneducated. What I have been saying is that ALL racists, xenophobes, idiots, and most uneducated/uninformed are voting for people like Trump. Which it sounds the same but is not."
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  • #144,873
  • Nov 8, 2016 11:11am Nov 8, 2016 11:11am
Quoting Davit
I like to see cut in capital gains tax 35% highest in develop economies so businesses have incentive and capital to grow and create jobs! _I must be an idiot Trump supporter I like to see less spending and elimination of Obama care-I must be an idiot Trump supporter I like to see laws in USA be enforced and legal immigration encouraged and illegal immigration discouraged-I must be an idiot Trump supporter Obama added 10 trillion dollars in 8 yrs on national debt and in 2009 it was 10.2 trillion now almost 20 t Double that debt in just 8yrs and Hillary...

I have to agree with all that you said........ I must be an idiot Trump supporter........ If we had a true, real press.... most of you reading this would be an idiot Trump supporter...... This most likely will be our last so called election.
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  • #144,874
  • Nov 8, 2016 12:27pm Nov 8, 2016 12:27pm
we all agree 1+1=2 , someone who doesn't know how to count will argue about it

we all know politicians lie to the people , someone who never studied history will argue about it

there is always 'someone' in the crowd that doesn't know or admit that he is' someone' .

after all common sense is not so common .

I am not a US citizen but if I were to vote , I would vote for whoever is taking the other side vs Trump period. I thank my history teachers for reference . I don't know

about yours so I won't judge based on that perspective .

in any case , censorship based on political opinions is never a good way to deal with froum posts .

I won't be surprised if this comment gets flagged . I hope not .

Back to trading , I think we could mark the high/low of the month in EurUsd after we clear the election so actively looking/managing my trades short/mid term .
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  • #144,875
  • Nov 8, 2016 12:48pm Nov 8, 2016 12:48pm
...and that was it for the day. Markets slowly sliding to the relief risk rally but neither Treasuries, Gold or Euro for that matter have given the go ahead yet. Last update coming on the close ...after is all election talk ...

sisse

Before dig into the market flow discussion today I see we got some heat in the thread....we must have touched some nerves in the last few pages. So lets quickly wrap this up at once before we end up polluting the conversation with emotional arguments instead of rational ones.

Quoting Davit
I like to see cut in capital gains tax 35% highest in develop economies so businesses have incentive and capital to grow and create jobs! _I must be an idiot Trump supporter ...
Welcome to the thread. Healthy to see some opinions defending issues for this election rather than insults, building walls, threatening institutions, opposition, women, countries and religions and lots of soap opera with very very poor arguments.

--> On your points. Absolutely fine with most of us here I am guessing if you have real policy opinions on why you are voting A, B or C. As long as its with arguments and your make it relevant for markets and trading is excellent you make this conversation and thread even better.

--> Most of us outside don't really see or hear often Trump voters around the internet or media with proper and constructive arguments and policies and sadly most only see angry, racist and very poor evidence base slurps from that side. What we have witnessed the last year or so is negative personal politics instead of proper policy debate ...but thats for another forum ....

--> You are focusing on the 'idiot' part rather than in the real argument. I understand why. Its election day, a close race, and when one is involved in the decision, one may get emotional and not read or understand what is really in discussion.

Let me repost the conversation and highlight the points ones more. I am guessing Pharm0r wont mind recovering his post too as I think he made a clear point too:

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ehhh ? lol ...what? ...

No. I have never labeled ALL Trump supporters as a racist, xenophobe, idiot, uneducated. What I have been saying is that ALL racists, xenophobes, idiots, and most uneducated/uninformed are voting for people like Trump. Which it sounds the same but is not.

You are shallow reading my comments. You will need to dig deeper in what I am saying. Let me put you in different words:

-> Any politicians call it Trump, Farrange, Kim Jong-un, or John 'the Average banana Republic Smith' Leader that goes public and rally in the name of Racist, Chauvinistic, Xenophobe ideas and against freedom and free markets using populism and nationalism to manipulate and lie to some unaware, low IQ, uneducated FEW to rally NEEDs to be STOP. I don't give a damn is Republican, Democrat, Green or the Pirate Party.

If in the other side is Clinton, Johnson, Pharm0r or Sisse is irrelevant ...there is LINE you don't cross. Those lines are universal principles not political party ones. They are so universal that they apply in Bangalore, Texas, Lima or Kiribati.

New generations and relatively young countries like the US hasn't seen or witness by themselves the terrible effects of these inept dangerous leaders."Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it."...there is time to ignore politics and time to take sides.

Those times come seldom and when somebody is trying to cross those fundamental lines that make a country like the US (or the UK for that matter before) great and example of free liberal democracies...

You don't need to support my view, not at all but you need to recognise principles that are beyond of political parties or sisse (whoever) say this or that...if you confuse my comments with Clinton this or that ...you are off mark in your understanding of my opinion...

GL today, I really hope you don't shoot yourself as a country today. "

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I hope its clear now.

sisse

PS: [to the low IQ as$%$ who deleted the posts ...for god sake, don't you recognise a proper discussion... Its election day wtf do you expect ban and hide all that sound too complicate or that doesn't match your micro cosmovision ... Why don't you just post an intelligent argument instead and after that build it to make it relevant for trading today or simply go and troll somewhere else... pathetic]
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  • #144,876
  • Nov 8, 2016 1:05pm Nov 8, 2016 1:05pm
Most likely someone I un-ignored and doesn't even attend this thread.

In fairness- political posts always go one direction on forums, and that's downward. If you need a case study- just look at the tone change of this thread after my original post down to this post.

I planned to just log out and come back tomorrow to avoid any emotional posting, but I'm calmer now and I've had a good day- so I think I can reply with an appropriate tone now.

Plus AU is attempting a momentum break!!
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  • #144,877
  • Nov 8, 2016 1:05pm Nov 8, 2016 1:05pm
Any idea why AUD,NZD and CAD are getting more strength vs USD(As market is expecting Clinton winning) ?
Sometimes it's better to be wrong,to learn..
  • #144,878
  • Nov 8, 2016 1:09pm Nov 8, 2016 1:09pm
Quoting sisse
...and that was it for the day. Markets slowly sliding to the relief risk rally but neither Treasuries, Gold or Euro for that matter have given the go ahead yet. Last update coming on the close ...after is all election talk ... sisse Before dig into the market flow discussion today I see we got some heat in the thread....we must have touched some nerves in the last few pages. So lets quickly wrap this up at once before we end up polluting the conversation with emotional arguments instead of rational ones. {quote} Welcome to the thread. Healthy to...

Never mind- some people actually do understand what you are saying. 4 times is better than 3 times, but anyone could have read thru your last 3 posts too.

I know there are serious things inside and a lot of truth in all of last posts but imo no democrats, republicans etc are running the show. $$$$ is. It is legal corrupction no matter who gets elected. Billions went into each corner to protect multinatinal corporations interests. You guys get emotional in the game you cannot win- NO MATTER WHO WINS THIS FARSE CALLED ELECTION ( goes for all the countries- not only USA at all). It is a waste of your time and energy. Rich will only get richer after this is done with.

Quoting Pharm0r
Most likely someone I un-ignored and doesn't even attend this thread. In fairness- political posts always go one direction on forums, and that's downward. If you need a case study- just look at the tone change of this thread after my original post down to this post. I planned to just log out and come back tomorrow to avoid any emotional posting, but I'm calmer now and I've had a good day- so I think I can reply with an appropriate tone now. Plus AU is attempting a momentum break!! {image}
Exactly. we should not get emotional while trading.
PVSRA
  • #144,879
  • Nov 8, 2016 1:22pm Nov 8, 2016 1:22pm
Quoting KiNgEdwarD
Any idea why AUD,NZD and CAD are getting more strength vs USD(As market is expecting Clinton winning) ?
Looks to me like Aussie is strengthening, AU had a much more muted reaction to the Hillary emails than UJ and EU & Dollar. It's been rising despite dollar strength or weakness over the last few weeks. I'm not following policy unfortunately, but I suspect the macro outlook is good

Hillary or Trump win, I expect Aussie will continue on the path with little interruption. This is based on the reaction I saw when Hillary emails came back to haunt the election. I cleared all my AU longs at the top of the triangle due to election risk (I expected AU to react, but didnt), and if we transition smoothly this evening into tomorrow, I'll try and buy the top of the triangle break on a test
  • #144,880
  • Nov 8, 2016 1:26pm Nov 8, 2016 1:26pm
We were here when the conversation was derail into politics....
Quoting Replicant
{quote} And she could even lose Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Iowa and Nevada and still win ! {image}
Well I was more interesting for tonight to build maps flows for timing and trading rather that the actual election results.

--> Basically by +/- 01:00 GMT (08:00pmEST) we will get FL exit polls. If the margin is large we pretty much will see markets switching and killing the risk off mode as statistically the odds will be nearly zero for a surprise. We trade expectation not facts and the early you get in .... Assuming all the earlier results before FL and exit polls goes +/-inline I think I clear exit polls for Clinton will pretty much kill[start] the day.

--> If exit polls are 'too close to call' in FL and media wont call it especially if Trump has lock some early results by that time we will trigger short term and sharp short term risk off mode as tie / or narrow margin victory for Clinton will trigger DRAMA for the rest of the day.

--> If exit polls or Trump sweep FL ...Equities will raise their bid in Equities and trigger all the moves in the risk off assets but here in a more orderly way after the initial knee jerk reaction as it will trigger the certainty play via RATES DEC that serve to position for the mid term swings (that is where Trump will have a heavy burden in the economy if he walk his campaign talk)

Obviously, there are a few other scenarios market wise, especially with Clinton grabbing 2 or 3 of those battlegrounds even before FL official results that will settle the deal. Again my point is for timing and MARKET flows tonight not about when we are going too see the real results and etc.

Timeline and potential movers and shakers for tonight:

--> The second the first State close, biggest bastards will get first hand exit polls. We'll get a clear evidence if its leaning towards risk off or uneventful.
--> 12:30 GTM (7:30pEST) we have the first teaser with OHIO ...eyes on the margin. If Trump get a wide margin, the flows will start as there will be zero liquidity...
-->01:00 GMT (08:00pmEST) FL ...that is key. Day for trading can end here. Real flows expected during this round of results /exit polls.
--> By 3:00 GMT (10:00pmEST) we will have all what we need. If by then neither exit polls and/or results are clear ...tighten your seatbelt as we are going for DRAMA. Full jittery markets ...risk off, untradable environment if things get too close.

sisse
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