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  • #61
  • Dec 9, 2013 1:37pm Dec 9, 2013 1:37pm
or the holy grail is psychology

anyway, these are all crap and misconception

the holy grail is that i give you a computer and a chair, a trader sits his sorry ass on it. 30 trades with no stupid position sizing and he produces profits. that's the holy grail. (in fact, roughly, but you get the point!)

why a stupid lady who drives her car into a wall ascribe her stupidity to gas management, or psychology, or whatever, instead of simply her pathetic driving skill???

driving vs trading is a poor analogy (as profitable trading is extremly hard, while daily commuting driving is extremly easy), but still a working one.

if one is put into daytona or nascar driving seat, and he ends up arriving the last several, do you think it is his gas management? wallet management? risk appetite? psychology? or what fucking ever cause his failure???

he simply doesn't drive well!

this trading perfectly related to any skill of sports!

he simply doesn't know how to play soccer/basketball/football/tennis, nima........ you name it.

btw, trading skill is formed with bit by bit knowledge, understanding, and how-to. there's no way to learn a system from 'trading system' section and become profitable for a newbie, even if it is indeed a profitable system published.

Quoting skydreamerja
the holy grail is money management
  • #62
  • Nov 2, 2016 6:42pm Nov 2, 2016 6:42pm
Quoting FerruFx
{quote} If you are looking for the holy grail, you are at the wrong place as it doesn't exist ... at least for trading.
 
You spend years writing EA etc and still haven't done a profitable system??  
That surely means it doesn't exist
 
There is, simple but slow profit systems, various methods.... 
When i finish mine, which needs time and secure computer I'll boast officially

Quoting eurusdthb
{quote} Thank for encouragement, I blew up 50+ account each of them has 10$. Currently,I'm studying 5 min Intraday System by Philip Nel. I hope i will get in right way if not I'd blow up unlimited more and more.
 
Trading on a 5 minute chart??? Is that a joke?
 
With 10$ you will blow it every time or profit few dollars ir pips... 
 
Several factors make a good trader - patience,  knowledge,  money management,  when to trade, patience.  
A simplified system of the above, put in numerical form - that's the grail. Takes only time and brain. And courage to follow the rules. 
I'm on it
Beware of robber banks (RB), bad advisors.
  • #63
  • Nov 2, 2016 7:42pm Nov 2, 2016 7:42pm
I will answer your question. (First post of the thread).

Fibonacci and Moving average are the more probably.

I already have a holy grail, I prove it to some people and I do not want to do it here at forex factory.
  • #64
  • Nov 2, 2016 7:47pm Nov 2, 2016 7:47pm
I know alot of people dont want to hear it but the fundamentals is the holy grail, technicals dont matter very much.. Go to the systems section.. Theres thousands of different trading systems there and a new one being released and still people arent profitable why? Its common sense.
fundamentals set trends, technicals are just points of entry, indicators are mainly a joke.
  • #65
  • Nov 3, 2016 1:23am Nov 3, 2016 1:23am
Got one, but it's secret
I need losers to pay me
So sorry guys, that's life!

Don't look for HG anymore! Just be smart, cool, focused ...make your own style and keep it!
Member
  • #66
  • Nov 3, 2016 1:33am Nov 3, 2016 1:33am
Lol, you guys never stop to entartain me on this forum, lol lol lol, you have resurected a thread from 2013

Lol again, another one looking for the holly grail 3 times lol again and.... I wonder if this guy have learned something valuable in this 3 years since he started this thread!!!???
  • #67
  • Nov 3, 2016 2:13am Nov 3, 2016 2:13am
What is the actual holy grail in forex? 42
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  • #68
  • Nov 3, 2016 2:37am Nov 3, 2016 2:37am
Quoting pipshaman
Lol, you guys never stop to entartain me on this forum, lol lol lol, you have resurected a thread from 2013 Lol again, another one looking for the holly grail 3 times lol again and.... I wonder if this guy have learned something valuable in this 3 years since he started this thread!!!???
Hi Pipshaman,

Although it's been about 3 years, I am still struggling.
I want to be rich.
  • #69
  • Nov 3, 2016 3:33am Nov 3, 2016 3:33am
Quoting eurusdthb
{quote} Hi Pipshaman, Although it's been about 3 years, I am still struggling.
@eurusdthb, please allow me to ask you, in this past 3 years have you learned the mechanics of price, ranges, breakouts, trends, and how to trade all of this?
The movement of price is simple, even if on the chart looks complicated. The price is consolodating in a range after that is breaking out of that range after that is trending or is coming back in the range, in this very order/secvention. If the price is in a range, you never buy or sell in the middle of the range, you trade the extremes, if is trending up, you never sell, you only buy, if is breaking out from a range you never take position against the breakout direction, what is so hard to learn and understand this simple principles!!!??? Ofcourse there are also divergences that you can spot using an oscilator and you can trade them and is better to trade them in the direction of an established trend, this would give you an edge. All of the above can take place in any TF but the longer the TF the better, 1hr, 4hr and daily are ok. In an established trend you always buy after the pullback. Yes, you will have many losses especialy when the trend is changing but if you cut them short you can make profit trading the trend where you can add a new position on pullbacks. What is so hard to learn and understand?

Best regards!
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  • #70
  • Nov 3, 2016 4:16am Nov 3, 2016 4:16am
Quoting pipshaman
{.....the longer the TF the better, 1hr, 4hr and daily are ok. In an established trend you always buy after the pullback. Yes, you will have many losses especialy when the trend is changing but if you cut them short you can make profit trading the trend where you can add a new position on pullbacks. What is so hard to learn and understand? Best regards! {image}
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A trully great post, solid advice.
And such a clear chart.
Yes trading on day chart shows everything so neatly.
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Most of us, sad experience, get bogged down in waves, impulses, mini mini retraces... Then emotions....news.... Then advisers... It's hard to trade with the hourly chart mentality.
So you found your system. Few minutes work every day.?
I somehow dig into 4H charts or less. I suppose i need the activity......
Then the original question was about mechanical system.
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You need patience to trade bigger frames. Profit 100-200 pips a month? Seems you have your grail Excellent posts too.
Green pips all.

Below is my old chart - see what i mean?? Need strong will.... I had the knowledge but not the patience to ride it down. I'm improving though.
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Beware of robber banks (RB), bad advisors.
  • #71
  • Nov 3, 2016 4:29am Nov 3, 2016 4:29am
In my experience there is no Holy Grail. There is just hard work - to study, to learn, to practise, to accumulate experience.
  • #72
  • Nov 3, 2016 5:15am Nov 3, 2016 5:15am
Quoting pipshaman
{quote} @eurusdthb, please allow me to ask you, in this past 3 years have you learned the mechanics of price, ranges, breakouts, trends, and how to trade all of this? The movement of price is simple, even if on the chart looks complicated. The price is consolodating in a range after that is breaking out of that range after that is trending or is coming back in the range, in this very order/secvention. If the price is in a range, you never buy or sell in the middle of the range, you trade the extremes, if is trending up, you never sell, you only...
Well, thank for your suggestion. In the past 3 years, I have learned those that you've mentioned above, but it seems like they don't fit my trading style. I mean the longer TF like H4. I am not that patience or I'd appreciate if you provide shorter TF style for me.

Thank you so much!
I want to be rich.
  • #73
  • Nov 3, 2016 10:44am Nov 3, 2016 10:44am
Quoting Not-KPMG
{quote} A trully great post, solid advice. And such a clear chart. Yes trading on day chart shows everything so neatly. Most of us, sad experience, get bogged down in waves, impulses, mini mini retraces... Then emotions....news.... Then advisers... It's hard to trade with the hourly chart mentality. So you found your system. Few minutes work every day.? I somehow dig into 4H charts or less. I suppose i need the activity...... Then the original question was about mechanical system. You need patience to trade bigger frames....
Regarding the pic you've attachef, we all need patience and mental discipline.
  • #74
  • Nov 3, 2016 10:56am Nov 3, 2016 10:56am
Quoting eurusdthb
{quote} Well, thank for your suggestion. In the past 3 years, I have learned those that you've mentioned above, but it seems like they don't fit my trading style. I mean the longer TF like H4. I am not that patience or I'd appreciate if you provide shorter TF style for me. Thank you so much!
It does not have to be H4 TF. The price behave in the same manner in all TF but the smaller TF are more tricky. See the chart I have attached on this post (5min TF EURUSD) and compare it with the H4 and see that is almost qvasi-identical.

All the best!!!
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  • #75
  • Nov 3, 2016 12:45pm Nov 3, 2016 12:45pm
It's simple, but hard to do. Trade in demo just like you would with real cash for 5 to 10 years until you are profitable for 4 months in a row with no cheating. Then trade the minimum 0.01 lots per trade in cash until you are consistently profitable, say for 4 months in a row, with no cheating. Then come back here and explain it to rookies to improve your karma a bit. -G
  • #76
  • Nov 4, 2016 8:59am Nov 4, 2016 8:59am
Start from a basic and simple method, then understand the reason why does the entry or exit is wrong. Use a white paper, draw like a flow chart for all information you know (Weakness and advantages)
  • #77
  • Nov 4, 2016 6:45pm Nov 4, 2016 6:45pm
Quoting Graviton
It's simple, but hard to do. Trade in demo just like you would with real cash for 5 to 10 years until you are profitable for 4 months in a row with no cheating. Then trade the minimum 0.01 lots per trade in cash until you are consistently profitable, say for 4 months in a row, with no cheating. Then come back here and explain it to rookies to improve your karma a bit. -G
This is so true. Its not just the trade entries. Its all about the system. And should include your 1. Trade entry 2. Money management 3. Paychology 4. Exit strategy.
  • #78
  • Nov 5, 2016 3:36pm Nov 5, 2016 3:36pm
Start with enough money so that you can actually afford to trade at least $5000 as a minimum. Start trading with small lot sizes .01 do this for months so that you can try different strategies. Change your leverage to 25 to 1 so that you don't take stupid risks. Never use all your leverage. Spend lots of hours in front of the screen working it out for yourself.
  • #79
  • Nov 23, 2016 3:17pm Nov 23, 2016 3:17pm
I think at least one holy grail exists. Why some people said that there is no such holy grail if probably they not made an evaluation (Honest evaluation) of everything related with foreign exchange?.
Is logic.
A fact is that I had a theory with 100 of successes but is something very complex to Comprise. Now I am trying to make a new theory based in a system model. I will do it with stablished rules, like scientist. Of course.
  • #80
  • Nov 23, 2016 3:32pm Nov 23, 2016 3:32pm
Quoting samtouzen
There is many consistency in forex you can call it holy grail : 1) the market opening indicator, you will be able to visualise it in chart and verify how it works fine, i know many noobs dont use it and you are wrong, USE IT TRY IT ONE TIME YOU MUST SEE THE MARKET CHANGES ON ALL PAIRS BY YOUR OWN EYES my tip for this indi : modify settings with this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._opening_times and your broker time and (notice sydney=tokyo, frank=london open) when you will familiar with it you can delete names by putting...
Excellent. Thank you.
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