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  • #641
  • Oct 27, 2016 3:40am Oct 27, 2016 3:40am
Best of British (from an American perspective):
https://youtu.be/hWf6p_R_6zg
  • #642
  • Edited 4:10am Oct 27, 2016 3:51am | Edited 4:10am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Nope. Why would we? We have so much history of our own.

What? Well if every country adopted that attitude we would never know anything about each other, as they to can claim to have their own history too.
  • #643
  • Oct 27, 2016 4:02am Oct 27, 2016 4:02am
Quoting jen101
{quote} No I think Trump could edge it. It could be just like Brexit, meaning the polls are way off. 1. A lot of people who have never voted could turn out. I understand the turnout for US elections is normally very low, much lower than ours? 2. People who would vote for Trump would more likely not tell the pollsters of their intentions for fear of being called a right wing racist or whatever, just like in Brexit. Guns are what really scare me about America. There are always nutters everywhere, but the difference is yours have guns. Anyway what...

No I think Trump could edge it. It could be just like Brexit, meaning the polls are way off. 1. A lot of people who have never voted could turn out. I understand the turnout for US elections is normally very low, much lower than ours? 2. People who would vote for Trump would more likely not tell the pollsters of their intentions for fear of being called a right wing racist or whatever, just like in Brexit.

The problem with our election rules is the electoral college vs. the Popular vote. There have been many presidential candidates who have won the popular vote but went on to lose the electoral college. Seeing that the electoral college is what matters, it is this that worries me the most. There is no mandate in many states where if a candidate wins the popular vote that the delegates are then awarded to the winning candidate. So in other words this is the most problematic issue regarding our election rules. Forget also the voter fraud issue being widely reported.

Guns are what really scare me about America. There are always nutters everywhere, but the difference is yours have guns.

Its not guns that should scare you, but the people who have guns. I know how you feel about guns, regardless, our 2nd amendment is in place as a mechanism to keep Government in check. Sociopaths like Hillary want to get rid of it because they know that without the 2nd amendment they can do what ever the hell they want without any consequences or being held accountable to the people.

Also I normally don't read the daily mirror, but it was an article that caught my eye that I thought was a good depiction on what is going on at our southern border.
  • #644
  • Oct 27, 2016 4:10am Oct 27, 2016 4:10am
Quoting verv
{quote} Not really, I know a little bit about it, but my knowledge is pretty crap american civil war.

Ok. Interesting. One of the most contentious debates that has been raging on for well over a 100 years is the issue on the causes of the Civil War, and just wanted to learn what the Brits thought of it, or what their perspective is. What is ironic, Charles Dickens and Karl Marx were alive when the Civil war happened, and their stated perspective are quite different than what is taught in our schools. To really understand America, one needs to learn about the civil war, as the single most important event in our history which saw more causalities than any war in human history. The civil war is what shaped America and it's after effects of causalities is still being felt to this day.
  • #645
  • Oct 27, 2016 4:14am Oct 27, 2016 4:14am
Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} What? Well if every country adopted that attitude we would never know anything about each other, as they to can claim to have their own history too.
Oh we cover plenty of European history. We're either educated/ brainwashed into believing we're more European or it's just that they're our neighbours and we've had plenty of fights with them over the centuries, plus a lot of incestuous connections.
  • #646
  • Oct 27, 2016 4:17am Oct 27, 2016 4:17am
Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} Ok. Interesting. One of the most contentious debates that has been raging on for well over a 100 years is the issue on the causes of the Civil War, and just wanted to learn what the Brits thought of it, or what their perspective is. What is ironic, Charles Dickens and Karl Marx were alive when the Civil war happened, and their stated perspective are quite different than what is taught in our schools. To really understand America, one needs to learn about the civil war, as the single most important event in our history which saw more causalities...

I wish I did know more. Is the paragraph above about about a point elsewhere ITT, about understanding Americans?
  • #647
  • Oct 27, 2016 4:29am Oct 27, 2016 4:29am
Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} Ok. Interesting. One of the most contentious debates that has been raging on for well over a 100 years is the issue on the causes of the Civil War, and just wanted to learn what the Brits thought of it, or what their perspective is. What is ironic, Charles Dickens and Karl Marx were alive when the Civil war happened, and their stated perspective are quite different than what is taught in our schools. To really understand America, one needs to learn about the civil war, as the single most important event in our history which saw more causalities...
I know next to nothing about the American Civil war and I doubt many here do. But saying that, my focus was entirely in the Sciences and Maths, not History.
  • #648
  • Oct 27, 2016 4:58am Oct 27, 2016 4:58am
Quoting jen101
.... Guns are what really scare me about America. There are always nutters everywhere, but the difference is yours have guns. ...
Over a period of years I have made a few visits to the USA. I have always been impressed by the general politeness and hospitality of people in the southern states. I thought how we British could do well to follow their lead and be more well-mannered. After several years of musing I wondered one day whether guns might be part of the reason. Let's face it, if you know the other person has a gun you are going to be quite careful not to antagonise them.
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  • #649
  • Oct 27, 2016 5:55am Oct 27, 2016 5:55am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Over a period of years I have made a few visits to the USA. I have always been impressed by the general politeness and hospitality of people in the southern states. I thought how we British could do well to follow their lead and be more well-mannered. After several years of musing I wondered one day whether guns might be part of the reason. Let's face it, if you know the other person has a gun you are going to be quite careful not to antagonise them.

Good point. Actually statistics supports that view. For example, the so called safe zones legislated by Liberal politicians in same localities, particularly school districts, is where shootings occur. Why? Because the perpetrators of the heinous crimes know that no one will be armed. Very rarely if at all does a shooter go into an area where they know people will be armed.

Here is an interesting site on the myths and facts of Guns

http://www.gunfacts.info/gun-control-myths/crime-and-guns/
  • #650
  • Oct 27, 2016 6:00am Oct 27, 2016 6:00am
Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} Ok. Interesting. One of the most contentious debates that has been raging on for well over a 100 years is the issue on the causes of the Civil War, and just wanted to learn what the Brits thought of it, or what their perspective is. What is ironic, Charles Dickens and Karl Marx were alive when the Civil war happened, and their stated perspective are quite different than what is taught in our schools. To really understand America, one needs to learn about the civil war, as the single most important event in our history which saw more causalities...
We covered the war of Independence, on account of how we lost....! ...and were fighting the French too... Another example of British Imperial Stupidity. The British were also supplying slaves to the West Indies, so at school there was some learning about all that. Particularly the Trade Winds were the main facility of the cycle that involved ships heading south from England (selling what I don't know, maybe just empty), collecting slaves from West Africa, taking them across the Atlantic to the Gulf area of the USA (which it wasn't at the time but became so after the civil war), and swapped slaves for sugar and cotton to bring back to Britain.

At school I learned a little about the American civil war, not a lot but my understanding is that the northern states were unhappy about the southern states using slaves. I have been, in my youth, to one of the civil war museums near Gettysburg (?) and saw various depictions of things that happened. Reports are that the fighting was extremely vicious. There was an example of a couple of bullets that had collided mid-air, and been saved as a souvenir by some soldier.

I expect you will tell me that is wrong..... or that there was a lot more to it....
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  • #651
  • Oct 27, 2016 6:17am Oct 27, 2016 6:17am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Over a period of years I have made a few visits to the USA. I have always been impressed by the general politeness and hospitality of people in the southern states. I thought how we British could do well to follow their lead and be more well-mannered. After several years of musing I wondered one day whether guns might be part of the reason. Let's face it, if you know the other person has a gun you are going to be quite careful not to antagonise them.
So we carry guns so everyone is polite to one another? Can't you see how ridiculous that sounds?! I'd rather someone be rude to me than worried I could be shot if I'm rude to anyone! You call that freedom?

On another point, I do get rather agitated if I spend longer too long in the States. I feel like a fricking freak show, so my natural demeanour possibly could appear rude. You know, in every bloody shop and restaurant, "oh my garrrrd, are you Briiitish?" No, I'm a f-ing alien. Don't invade my space, don't sit next to me, don't clear the table unless everyone on it has finished, which by European standards is just plain rude. And don't talk to me unless I talk to you first. I'm not your best friend.
  • #652
  • Oct 27, 2016 6:19am Oct 27, 2016 6:19am
Quoting verv
{quote} I wish I did know more. Is the paragraph above about about a point elsewhere ITT, about understanding Americans?
I would say it is not so much about understanding Americans as it is more about understanding the psyche of the American socio-consciousness. Our country is still divided by cultural differences of the North and South, defined by the Mason Dixon line even til this day, that was defined by the civil war. I am interested in this topic, because there is a lot of misconceptions regarding this conflict, and what I find most interesting is how History was rewritten to favor a certain narrative. As the saying goes, the Victors often decided how history is written. Nothing can be further from the truth in regards to the actual facts of the Civil War. I myself having grown up in New York for part of my life, had been subjected to its systematic brain wash into believing one version of the truth (The North's) in regards to how it was taught.

For example: A lot of people claim that the war was started because of Slavery, which when studied deeper it was not the central cause of the war. It was because of States rights and excessive Tariffs being imposed on the South. Slavery didn't become the central issue until almost halfway through the conflict in 1862. The reason why I asked whether or not this subject matter was taught in British schools is because Britain at the time relied on the south almost exclusively for Cotton exports. The shortage of cotton, had Britain contemplating to intervene in order to put an end to the war. I wish they had, because if they did, we may see a completely different country today.

It wasn't until I read Thomas DeLorenzo's book "The Real Lincoln" that my entire perspective about this changed. Lincoln wasn't the demigod that history portrays him to be, but rather a typical Politician bought by the notion of corporate welfare for the railroad industry, seeking Federalism to trump states rights, something that is still lamented about to this day.
  • #653
  • Oct 27, 2016 6:24am Oct 27, 2016 6:24am
Quoting jen101
{quote} I know next to nothing about the American Civil war and I doubt many here do. But saying that, my focus was entirely in the Sciences and Maths, not History.

Fair enough! You had better things to focus on! Ha!
  • #654
  • Oct 27, 2016 6:30am Oct 27, 2016 6:30am
Quoting jen101
{quote} So we carry guns so everyone is polite to one another? Can't you see how ridiculous that sounds?! I'd rather someone be rude to me than worried I could be shot if I'm rude to anyone! You call that freedom? On another point, I do get rather agitated if I spend longer too long in the States. I feel like a fricking freak show, so my natural demeanour possibly could appear rude. You know, in every bloody shop and restaurant, "oh my garrrrd, are you Briiitish?" No, I'm a f-ing alien. Don't invade my space, don't sit next to me, don't clear the...

You can't take that statement verbatim. I don't think that was the point in which Exodus was expressing. Also the part about being rude, there is plenty of examples in other places that corroborate that perspective.

Also which place are you referring to? America is a pretty big place, being in a few shops is hardly enough of an impression to make an over generalized opinion like that. You could use that to your advantage, as most Brits are almost like celebrities due to charming people with your accent. You probably get anything you want just by talking to American people.
  • #655
  • Oct 27, 2016 6:34am Oct 27, 2016 6:34am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} We covered the war of Independence, on account of how we lost....! ...and were fighting the French too... Another example of British Imperial Stupidity. The British were also supplying slaves to the West Indies, so at school there was some learning about all that. Particularly the Trade Winds were the main facility of the cycle that involved ships heading south from England (selling what I don't know, maybe just empty), collecting slaves from West Africa, taking them across the Atlantic to the Gulf area of the USA (which it wasn't at the...

No I don't think you are wrong, but yes there is more to the story than what you illicit, still there is a lot of what you say is pretty accurate in some respects. The slavery part, is indeed true to some respects, and was an issue. My contention is the cause of the war itself. Issues like Tariffs and States Rights. One thing to consider at the time, there was no federal income tax, the US government was fully funded by the proceeds of Tariffs. So when looking at this from an economic perspective, the entire narrative changes that sheds a lot of light on some very uncomfortable truths about the Civil War.
  • #656
  • Oct 27, 2016 6:39am Oct 27, 2016 6:39am
Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} I would say it is not so much about understanding Americans as it is more about understanding the psyche of the American socio-consciousness. Our country is still divided by cultural differences of the North and South, defined by the Mason Dixon line even til this day, that was defined by the civil war. I am interested in this topic, because there is a lot of misconceptions regarding this conflict, and what I find most interesting is how History was rewritten to favor a certain narrative. As the saying goes, the Victors often decided how...
I can't recall the specifics, but I have read the view you just expressed somewhere else to. Namely that slavery wasn't the sole, or even the primary reason for the civil war, but it took on greater meaning during and after the war.
  • #657
  • Edited 6:56am Oct 27, 2016 6:42am | Edited 6:56am
Quoting ThunderHeart
{quote} You can't take that statement verbatim. I don't think that was the point in which Exodus was expressing. Also the part about being rude, there is plenty of examples in other places that corroborate that perspective. Also which place are you referring to? America is a pretty big place, being in a few shops is hardly enough of an impression to make an over generalized opinion like that. You could use that to your advantage, as most Brits are almost like celebrities due to charming people with your accent. You probably get anything you want...
Not referring to cities, but just about everywhere else. Less so in the north. One advantage is that Americans are the easiest to sell to, when you want to turn on the charm.

Edit: I'm not always rude and grumpy. It's just cathartic sometimes.
  • #658
  • Oct 27, 2016 8:39am Oct 27, 2016 8:39am
Quoting jen101
{quote} So we carry guns so everyone is polite to one another? Can't you see how ridiculous that sounds?! ....
Haar! Jen; you're up for mixing it today .... Personally I think that if we all carried guns it would re-instate the Laws of Natural Selection.

From my original perspective ... people would be less free with their verbal abuse if they thought the playing field was level.

I have been coming around to the 2nd amendment since Paris in November 2015. As one person put it, 'if we were allowed to carry guns there would have been fewer dead people'. Arguably there might have been no incident at all.
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  • #659
  • Oct 27, 2016 9:19am Oct 27, 2016 9:19am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Haar! Jen; you're up for mixing it today .... Personally I think that if we all carried guns it would re-instate the Laws of Natural Selection. From my original perspective ... people would be less free with their verbal abuse if they thought the playing field was level. I have been coming around to the 2nd amendment since Paris in November 2015. As one person put it, 'if we were allowed to carry guns there would have been fewer dead people'. Arguably there might have been no incident at all.
I can't see that the USA will ever get rid of guns. So the best that you could hope for is an element of control. All weapons must be registers and all owners must past a psychological test every two years to retain a gun permit. Not a lot to ask
  • #660
  • Edited 9:45am Oct 27, 2016 9:19am | Edited 9:45am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Haar! Jen; you're up for mixing it today .... Personally I think that if we all carried guns it would re-instate the Laws of Natural Selection. From my original perspective ... people would be less free with their verbal abuse if they thought the playing field was level. I have been coming around to the 2nd amendment since Paris in November 2015. As one person put it, 'if we were allowed to carry guns there would have been fewer dead people'. Arguably there might have been no incident at all.
You're doing my head in now! The only way to defeat a bad guy is for a good guy to carry a bigger gun? Maybe I'll stick a missile launcher in my bag. This is getting silly. Maybe I'll have more vino.

So what happened in Orlando then?
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