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In fairness, Basso was not testing for profitability of a system with completely random entries and exits. Instead, he simply devised a test to see if exits were much more important than entries. That test was positive but even then, Van said traders can do a lot better than using just a random entry — and still not spend most of their effort on entry refinement. Our initial research results got us wondering about the possibility of putting additional randomness into the test and seeing what came out. When we did, we found both confirming results on some fronts and surprising results on others.
One of the confirming conclusions that will emerge in next week’s part 2 article of this series is that the exit strategy influences returns more than the average trader expects. In particular, we used a trailing stop which is particularly suited to trending markets. When random entries were paired with trailing stops in range-bound environments, positions were “chopped up”. In a trending environment, though, they really “bucked the trend.” The importance of the environment (or as Van labels it — market type) turned out to be one of the more surprising results from the tests.
Join us next week for more about the additional research results and the rest of our conclusions.
Editor’s Note, Van added this comment: "One key to getting the random entry system to work was the 3 times volatility trailing stop (which I think I remember as 20 days). That kind of stop meant that positions could go through a lot of chop before a trend started. If the stop was shortened to 2 times ATR, even with a 200-day period — it really wouldn’t do it (my guess but I’m not sure). Another key to the system — it was ALWAYS in the market with the random part being long or short. And yes, the starting point was important, but I remember the study using 10 years’ worth of data — so then the starting point wasn’t that important in the end. I actually thought the system would have stopped working because the big commodity trends ended so I’m surprised they got it to work."
At this point in our journey, Craig & I started to see through the data. We were effectively observing Forexs tendency to trend characteristic that commodities also display. So any variation of a random entry and trailing stop should yield similar results. The trailing stop is in fact a simple trade management vehicle to capture trends and we continued to find this tendency through more and more testing.*
The Most Important Thing
After thinking through our observations, we re-ran the tests but this time we gave the random entry generator a trend filter. Of course, one could debate what kind of trend filter to use because there are many variations on the theme but we wanted it to be as robust and non-discretionary as possible. We told the algorithm to look for situations like this:
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The non-discretional trend-filter, as applied on USD/JPY daily chart since 1/1/2015
As with many tools, the methodology is not perfect but it gets the job done. The unshaded areas were considered range periods. Remember that when we applied our random entry to the filtered market states:
We were attempting to maintain the random-random nature of the signals to verify further whether filtering trending markets could enhance the performance of the signals. Our logic was as follows: if the market state is truly the most important factor, then by only entering the market in those moments (albeit randomly) we should get better results than entering at random just anywhere, anytime. In other words, were trying to help the trailing stop do its work.
Here is a sample of the results:
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Sample run of Tom Bassos random entry and trailing stop combined with our trend filter
We applied Tom Bassos random entry settings combined with our Trend Filter and these were our main takeaways after multiple runs:
The trend filter worked to a certain extent but to find out if what we were seeing was really non-random, we needed to verify the opposite: the results should be bad if we used a random entry with the trailing stop (best for trending markets) inside a range.
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Some recent range situations as identified by our non-discretional trend filter.
A range is defined as not in trend.
Here is a sample of the results:
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Sample run of a random entry in a no trend environment
From this set of runs, the main takeaways are evident:
Summary Conclusions
After all of these test runs, its quite easy to forget the original objective of the test runs. We were attempting to find out how important the entry was for trading FX.
Our main conclusions were
So what are some of the implication for traders?
Over to You
This is our first evidence-based piece and I do need to thank our resident programmer Craig Drury for his efforts. We would appreciate any comments on our tests and if you have ideas on how to make the results even more robust, or if you have other feedback, it would be very much appreciated.
*(for all results and iterations, please feel free to contact Craig at [email protected]).
About the Author: Justin Paolini has 10 years of experience trading FX. He has studied Van Tharps trading principles and incorporates many of those in the weekly blog posts he writes. He currently works for Forex signal provider FX Renew as a trading coach.
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