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  • #144,261
  • Edited 7:14am Oct 18, 2016 6:34am | Edited 7:14am
How about those monkeys that separated from England in 1776? Damn bunch of idiots for wanting their country back if you ask me.

Perhaps if Governments tried more to represent the people instead of the corporations/banks, you wouldnt get the Brexit and the Donald and global warming etc etc. Shit in = shit out
  • #144,262
  • Edited 8:00am Oct 18, 2016 7:13am | Edited 8:00am
Quoting Pharm0r
How about those monkeys that separated from England in 1776? Damn bunch of idiots for wanting their country back if you ask me. Perhaps if Governments tried more to represent the people instead of the corporations/banks, you wouldnt get the Brexit and the Donald and global warming etc etc. Shit in = shit out
I can get your point about general disdain for government of any kind being a pretty natural and very globally familiar phenomenon but comparing Trump's flash in the pan attention grab with the American Revolution is hard for me to connect. My thought is when the dust settles it will come clearer just how played up (by the media ironically enough) his "movement" was and he will go the way of Ollie North. A low impact radio show and a place as yet another "remember that sh*t!?" moment in our Nation's proud history.
  • #144,263
  • Edited 9:57am Oct 18, 2016 9:39am | Edited 9:57am
Quoting goosebone
{quote} I can get your point about general disdain for government of any kind being a pretty natural and very globally familiar phenomenon but comparing Trump's flash in the pan attention grab with the American Revolution is hard for me to connect. My thought is when the dust settles it will come clearer just how played up (by the media ironically enough) his "movement" was and he will go the way of Ollie North. A low impact radio show and a place as yet another "remember that sh*t!?" moment in our Nation's proud history.
Not meant to connect, the American Revolution was just a poke at Sisse

As far as the choices we have in Presidential candidates? All losers. I think the Brexit along with the growing American discontent with Govt is highlighting exactly what the problems are within our style of governing. It leads to wars. Always has- always will. Consider it a cycle, new civil war every 100-200 years once the few start taking advantage of the many.

John Oliver sums it up well @ 17:00 haha

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  • #144,264
  • Oct 18, 2016 11:02am Oct 18, 2016 11:02am
Quoting Pharm0r
{quote} Not meant to connect, the American Revolution was just a poke at Sisse As far as the choices we have in Presidential candidates? All losers. I think the Brexit along with the growing American discontent with Govt is highlighting exactly what the problems are within our style of governing. It leads to wars. Always has- always will. Consider it a cycle, new civil war every 100-200 years once the few start taking advantage of the many. John Oliver sums it up well @ 17:00 haha https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3O01EfM5fU...
Plato summed it up very well close to 2500 years ago too

https://classicalwisdom.com/plato-an...-of-democracy/

And we did not manage to come up with anything better in this period
Trading in the shadow of SM
  • #144,265
  • Oct 18, 2016 11:34am Oct 18, 2016 11:34am
Quoting Earleone
{quote} Plato summed it up very well close to 2500 years ago too https://classicalwisdom.com/plato-an...-of-democracy/ And we did not manage to come up with anything better in this period
Good Lord how true
  • #144,266
  • Oct 18, 2016 11:48am Oct 18, 2016 11:48am
Sisse: I've a question on Gold Outlook which is Neutral. In one of your previous posts, you said that Gold takes its importance from other factors (i.e., USD, Equities, change in FA, FOMC rate hike in december). Also, we have these outlooks: Strong buy USD, buy UJ, sell EU and sell Euro/UK equities. My question, why you didn't change the neutral outlook for Gold to sell? Is it because you are neutral in US Equities and/or brexit consequences?
  • #144,267
  • Oct 18, 2016 11:52am Oct 18, 2016 11:52am
A decent day across the board with US equities bouncing back and finding foot as expected. On the rest of the board, nothing really new with markets behaving in synch. Eyes on today close in NY as we have China in play for the overnight session.

sisse

Quoting Pharm0r
{quote} Not meant to connect, the American Revolution was just a poke at Sisse a
...watch-out last poke you nearly ended up with a bloody nose ....je je je ...just kidding ...sisse never leave a conversation open so we will settle that when the time is right.

Quoting Pharm0r
How about those monkeys that separated from England in 1776? Damn bunch of idiots for wanting their country back if you ask me. Perhaps if Governments tried more to represent the people instead of the corporations/banks, you wouldnt get the Brexit and the Donald and global warming etc etc. Shit in = shit out
Former Colonies from an Empire vs International Cooperation ??? and making the guy that represent everything that is wrong and bad in Corporate America sound like the US Che Guevara ...going backwards in time, with racism, sexual discrimination, xenophobia, hate of 1/3 of world religions, unilateralism, protectionism, walls, hate and war

Do you call that a revolution? call that American values? call that get back your country?, call that change for the future? sounds more like N Korea mix with some extreme dictator policies in Africa, Economic policy from a random populism Latam country with the xenophobia from some extreme right parties in Europe, all behind the biggest and richest corporate fake bastard in America...I'll pass, I hope most of responsible America too...

You are smart guy, don't go there even as joke as some very dumb people will probably believe it as if you were serious (believe me w just saw it with Brexit)...

sisse
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  • #144,268
  • Oct 18, 2016 1:09pm Oct 18, 2016 1:09pm
It's probably important to note that at this point, and for what has been much longer than many would like to admit, it's only a question of not if but how badly he will lose, and how effectively the GOP can pick up the pieces on the fly. (barring the discovery of some actual actionable meat in those emails of course and not just politics as usual spun by those with an increasingly desperate agenda)
  • #144,269
  • Oct 18, 2016 1:57pm Oct 18, 2016 1:57pm
Quoting sisse
A decent day across the board with US equities bouncing back and finding foot as expected. On the rest of the board, nothing really new with markets behaving in synch. Eyes on today close in NY as we have China in play for the overnight session. sisse {quote} ...watch-out last poke you nearly ended up with a bloody nose ....je je je ...just kidding ...sisse never leave a conversation open so we will settle that when the time is right. {quote} Former Colonies from an Empire vs International Cooperation ??? and making the guy that represent everything...
haha tuche sisse tuche! i opened myself up for that one

Yes Goose- Trump is out for good, and it's a good thing. However; he's provided a good piece of the puzzle in that he's shown just how FED UP the general populace is with our political environment. I really wish Gary Johnson would do his homework...he really does have the right ideas, however; it seems that he's a tad bit crazy and worse...lazy. I say lazy because these guys should be 100% prepared to answer any and all questions (hell they get a predetermined list practically when going on talk shows) but unfortunately he keeps getting blind sided with even the simplest questions. Seems like there's no substance.
  • #144,270
  • Oct 18, 2016 2:01pm Oct 18, 2016 2:01pm
Quoting sisse
Do you call that a revolution? call that American values? call that get back your country?, call that change for the future? sounds more like N Korea mix with some extreme dictator policies in Africa, Economic policy from a random populism Latam country with the xenophobia from some extreme right parties in Europe, all behind the biggest and richest corporate fake bastard in America...I'll pass, I hope most of responsible America too... You are smart guy, don't go there even as joke as some very dumb people will probably believe it as if you were...
On a serious note- as I said in my last post, an interior conflict in the US is on the horizon (trump has shined a candle on it)- as it is in the EU. Britain just the first step of possibly many....as I questioned earlier this year...what happens if the government ignores the vote?

It's of no surprise though- as earlobe also mentioned, seems to be a cycle- one that we are headed full steam ahead to repeat by all current accounts. Perhaps a reset is the only real solution.
  • #144,271
  • Oct 18, 2016 2:16pm Oct 18, 2016 2:16pm
Quoting Pharm0r
{quote} haha tuche sisse tuche! i opened myself up for that one Yes Goose- Trump is out for good, and it's a good thing. However; he's provided a good piece of the puzzle in that he's shown just how FED UP the general populace is with our political environment. I really wish Gary Johnson would do his homework...he really does have the right ideas, however; it seems that he's a tad bit crazy and worse...lazy. I say lazy because these guys should be 100% prepared to answer any and all questions (hell they get a predetermined list practically...
Well I'm not sure we will ever see the day that the libertarian party is taken seriously enough to get beyond a few local victories here and there. Hard to get any real voting block on board with the more radical parts of their platform (which describes just about all of their platform). Can be said of all of them. green party, you name it. America elects centrists. I don't see anything real out of the ordinary with this time around other than one of the two parties losing control of their primary process and thereby throwing the election by not running a centrist. It's always a big revolution coming that speaks to how upset everyone is about the status quo. Then at election time everyone gets in line and votes for the status quo. Red flavor or blue is essentially irrelevant. Nothing new imho. If these third parties were any kind of realistic option they would have been winning downticket long before considered for the highest office. If you are learning to fly you take off from the ground first not leap off the tallest skyscraper.
  • #144,272
  • Oct 18, 2016 2:27pm Oct 18, 2016 2:27pm
Quoting Pharm0r
{quote} On a serious note- as I said in my last post, an interior conflict in the US is on the horizon (trump has shined a candle on it)- as it is in the EU. Britain just the first step of possibly many....as I questioned earlier this year...what happens if the government ignores the vote? It's of no surprise though- as earlobe also mentioned, seems to be a cycle- one that we are headed full steam ahead to repeat by all current accounts. Perhaps a reset is the only real solution.
I don't see any change in the horizon. This guy and his "movement" is no different than Perot (exept maybe that Ross's helicopters were paid in full) or any of the other "outsiders" that get their fifteen minutes. The revolution won't be televised. Cuz it's just a repeat and we all know how it ends.

Oops spamming the thread here. Sorry guys. I'll keep it down now.
  • #144,273
  • Oct 18, 2016 2:50pm Oct 18, 2016 2:50pm
Quoting Pharm0r
{quote} On a serious note- as I said in my last post, an interior conflict in the US is on the horizon (trump has shined a candle on it)- as it is in the EU. Britain just the first step of possibly many....as I questioned earlier this year...what happens if the government ignores the vote? It's of no surprise though- as earlobe also mentioned, seems to be a cycle- one that we are headed full steam ahead to repeat by all current accounts. Perhaps a reset is the only real solution.
Yes agree that is quiet a few groups that have been ignored but don't forget that a problem not only related to just a few old folks 'brexiters' in rural N. England or some uber christian conservative 'rednecks' in the South. What do you think about black, (African Americans in US terms), women hispanic, homosexuals or real conservatives [not the ones running run now] when democrats are in power or vice-versa ...

Replying marginalisation of one group with even more isolation of another is not solution. It's plainly stupid and cause more troubles than solutions.

The problems with most [not all] Ukiper Brexiters and Trump Zombies is that:

They are looking backwards instead of forward.
They are looking for solutions into the past instead into the future.
They are looking from long gone ideas of economic progress instead of innovative solution to integrate in a more fairer system for them.
They blame the political and economic establishment voting for exactly the worst of the political and economic establishment blinded by populist rhetoric.
They promote hate and to marginalise the other side while complaining that they have been marginalised for a few years.

At the end, the ones to blame are not those aiming for something different for real, the problem is the bastards that use them to achieve personal and very particular group political goals with lies and hate.

Like in trading there is A LOT of unaware voters that they get suck in by stupidity and populism ...history worldwide is full of devastating cases of what happens when bastards manipulate real peoples concerns to the wrong side ....

sisse
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  • #144,274
  • Oct 18, 2016 3:06pm Oct 18, 2016 3:06pm
Quoting goosebone
{quote} I don't see any change in the horizon. This guy and his "movement" is no different than Perot (exept maybe that Ross's helicopters were paid in full) or any of the other "outsiders" that get their fifteen minutes. The revolution won't be televised. Cuz it's just a repeat and we all know how it ends. Oops spamming the thread here. Sorry guys. I'll keep it down now.
They (and I) said the same about Brexit. Impossible, no way it'd happen....and would you look, the damn voters did something

Very powerful statement though " It's always a big revolution coming that speaks to how upset everyone is about the status quo. Then at election time everyone gets in line and votes for the status quo."
  • #144,275
  • Oct 18, 2016 3:17pm Oct 18, 2016 3:17pm
Right. Maybe it's cuz I know here and not there but I see only the vaguest of correlations between the two. Maybe some similar nationalist sentiment. But from where I'm sitting Brexit looks like a bit of a political anomaly and Trump looks like business as usual in the US of A (except what I said about the extremist forgetting to lose the primary this time. But that's just a stay of execution really). Time will tell as it always does.
  • #144,276
  • Oct 18, 2016 3:20pm Oct 18, 2016 3:20pm
The thing is- it's only getting worse, never better. Police more violent, military more involved, government overstepping, debt worse....

is it too late to turn the ship around? There is always a breaking point.....every civilization so far...except the Mayans, maybe they saw what was coming and jumped on their Flying Saucer to get the hell out of here. Anyways- I guess we're getting more into philosophy than politics or trading...
  • #144,277
  • Oct 18, 2016 3:51pm Oct 18, 2016 3:51pm
Quoting Pharm0r
The thing is- it's only getting worse, never better. Police more violent, military more involved, government overstepping, debt worse.... is it too late to turn the ship around? There is always a breaking point.....every civilization so far...except the Mayans, maybe they saw what was coming and jumped on their Flying Saucer to get the hell out of here. Anyways- I guess we're getting more into philosophy than politics or trading...
Every generation also thinks they are the last. The day of reckoning is always around the corner. But never comes. Like the sign on the bar down the street from my house says: "Free beer tomorrow!"
  • #144,278
  • Oct 18, 2016 4:45pm Oct 18, 2016 4:45pm
Politics , the mother of all evil , striking again !

we live in a world where the powerful rules period .

Power has different meanings depending on the Time and Place ie the rule of the strongest , the rule of the wealthiest , the rule of the most advanced in technology ...

Humans [or any other forms of life ] are meant to have differences anytime , anywhere .

Common sense is just a vague expression .

We used to have leaders now we have those who make leaders from behind the scene , get used to it .

Stupidity is infinite and is contagious . Fight it and you will get sucked in most of the times .

Be ambitious but realistic and enjoy your life however you see fit .

Collateral damage is going to happen whether we like it or not .

We live in a system ,global conflicts are way too big to put in simple words , the more you know the less happier you live .

Back to trading , I aasume most of the members here are out of EU swings so they have nothing else to discuss on the matter .
Get Rich or Die Tryin
  • #144,279
  • Oct 18, 2016 4:59pm Oct 18, 2016 4:59pm
aka go hide under a rock, don't think any bigger than the screen in front of you

a bunch of ambiguous gobbley goop from sisse's largest "holier than thou" nut swinger, complete with an attack on those that went long EU.
  • #144,280
  • Oct 18, 2016 5:08pm Oct 18, 2016 5:08pm
Quoting hoom
Politics , the mother of all evil , striking again ! we live in a world where the powerful rules period . Power has different meanings depending on the Time and Place ie the rule of the strongest , the rule of the wealthiest , the rule of the most advanced in technology ... Humans [or any other forms of life ] are meant to have differences anytime , anywhere . Common sense is just a vague expression . We used to have leaders now we have those who make leaders from behind the scene , get used to it . Stupidity is infinite and is contagious . Fight...
Sorry to distract the thread hoom. By all means go right ahead. what was it you wanted to discuss about the eu swing today?
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