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  • #1,141
  • Oct 9, 2016 10:22pm Oct 9, 2016 10:22pm
Quoting ccr
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IMO nothing wrong to feel that market being manipulated or own by someone. But the point is, why some people neither have power to manipulate the market nor know some insider trade can survive or even earn a lot of money? I believe this is the million dollar question. Remember, jealousy and negative mindset wouldn't bring you to the path of success. Rather than blaming those player manipulating the market for the god sake to hide own failure, you should ask yourself why you can't even survive in this market condition. I assume that there are someone behind manipulating the market, but they never force you to open any trade right? So where is the logic?
  • #1,142
  • Oct 9, 2016 10:30pm Oct 9, 2016 10:30pm
Quoting ccr
just ...close .... a case ..... ps .... nice bull ....
Hahaha. I don't post often on here. When I do, you may want to go away and think about what is being said.
The road to pipland is arduous and fraught with challenge.
  • #1,143
  • Oct 10, 2016 12:30am Oct 10, 2016 12:30am
Another question to the pros here. The GBP dramatic event on friday where GBPUSD dropped like 700pips in a few seconds. Any thoughts on what could be the cause of that?
  • #1,144
  • Oct 10, 2016 1:31am Oct 10, 2016 1:31am
Quoting Momba
Another question to the pros here. The GBP dramatic event on friday where GBPUSD dropped like 700pips in a few seconds. Any thoughts on what could be the cause of that?
Thats an interesting question. Possibly related to the reversing globalisatiojn dynamic. History is currently in global mode and any reversal out of that will be accompanied by widespread volatility and economic contraction until we comply.
The road to pipland is arduous and fraught with challenge.
  • #1,145
  • Oct 10, 2016 4:00am Oct 10, 2016 4:00am
Quoting Momba
Another question to the pros here. The GBP dramatic event on friday where GBPUSD dropped like 700pips in a few seconds. Any thoughts on what could be the cause of that?

speculations aside, only bank of international settlements can provide the answer. most probable would be a corporation within the UK booking a rate/transferring funds out at spot which thus triggered algos based on sheer vol and exaggerate the entire move
  • #1,146
  • Oct 10, 2016 4:39am Oct 10, 2016 4:39am
Quoting Bicarus
{quote} speculations aside, only bank of international settlements can provide the answer. most probable would be a corporation within the UK booking a rate/transferring funds out at spot which thus triggered algos based on sheer vol and exaggerate the entire move
My two cents: the above answer is unlikely. The rate booked by a corporate (i.e. non inter-bank) does not show up on the composite price screens on Reuters or Bloomberg. This booked rate is a private deal between the corporate entity and its Bank counterparty, already loaded with the sales trader's margin.
I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm not in the "convincing" business.
  • #1,147
  • Oct 10, 2016 5:49am Oct 10, 2016 5:49am
Quoting Bicarus
{quote} speculations aside, only bank of international settlements can provide the answer. most probable would be a corporation within the UK booking a rate/transferring funds out at spot which thus triggered algos based on sheer vol and exaggerate the entire move
the corporate treasurer and the bank dealer should be crazy to deal during the Asian session before NFP
  • #1,149
  • Oct 10, 2016 2:52pm Oct 10, 2016 2:52pm
Quoting ccr
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Ccr, wtf is up with you?
Keep the thread clean!
Speak clearly. Stop your rigged market theories and go make some money already. It's laying on the charts. Only you are stopping yourself from not making yourself rich.
Go make some money already!
Yikes...
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  • #1,150
  • Oct 10, 2016 3:40pm Oct 10, 2016 3:40pm
Quoting bg_sunny
{quote} Ccr, wtf is up with you? Keep the thread clean! Speak clearly. Stop your rigged market theories and go make some money already. It's laying on the charts. Only you are stopping yourself from not making yourself rich. Go make some money already! Yikes...
Hahaha. Good one. This notion that you can rig the markets is total nonsense. I would suggest that people work hard at perfecting this game...and it is the ultimate skill...so do not take it lightly. Be prepared for a long haul.
The road to pipland is arduous and fraught with challenge.
  • #1,151
  • Oct 10, 2016 4:15pm Oct 10, 2016 4:15pm
Quoting skenobi
{quote} It doesn't need a huge deal size. Sometimes a small GBP 10 mio hit in thin market conditions would've been enough. {quote} Whoever put in the bid in the system (in the event a punter sold at the bid) AND did not remove the bid, is obliged to fill the deal. "My word is my bond" still means something in this crooked age. {quote} Which "big trader"? The seller who sold? Or the lucky bastard who placed the bid? {quote} Path of least resistance was obviously down. The only logical long-term trade was to sell GBPUSD. It could be any number of...

I appreciate the replies thank you .
Never said I was Batman,all I'm saying is you'll never see us together.
  • #1,153
  • Oct 10, 2016 8:49pm Oct 10, 2016 8:49pm
Lets put this to rest.

The market cannot be sustainably manipulated by anyone, unless they happen to catch structure.

The bigger question arises, was the sudden move embedded in structure or was it via the hands of humans? That we shall have to wait for science to answer. You fail due to your own inability and lack of skill. It is that simple. The answer...do your homework however it works for you.

Good luck in your endeavours.
The road to pipland is arduous and fraught with challenge.
  • #1,157
  • Oct 17, 2016 12:27am Oct 17, 2016 12:27am
wtf is this shit?
Congratulations ScalaFX for coming out of the closet!
  • #1,158
  • Oct 17, 2016 5:08am Oct 17, 2016 5:08am
By the way since I am in this post, I would like to ask any desk trader here who is really familiar with the process of OTC Option market maker dynamic hedging system? Actually myself quite expertise in option trading but will be working in a firm very soon to control most OTC Option market. Any desk trader here can share experience?
  • #1,159
  • Oct 17, 2016 9:47pm Oct 17, 2016 9:47pm
Quoting ChinaTraderz
By the way since I am in this post, I would like to ask any desk trader here who is really familiar with the process of OTC Option market maker dynamic hedging system? Actually myself quite expertise in option trading but will be working in a firm very soon to control most OTC Option market. Any desk trader here can share experience?
Different firms have different environments. I've been thru three.

You won't really know until your new firm's existing team get you up to speed with the in-house systems, the management's risk appetite, the risk managers' level of risk averseness etc etc.. i.e. all the things that have nothing at all to do with trading. If everyone knows what they're talking about (including you), then you should have a pretty happy options trading experience (a contradiction in terms).

But if not, all I can say is, "Good Luck!"
I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm not in the "convincing" business.
  • #1,160
  • Oct 17, 2016 11:32pm Oct 17, 2016 11:32pm
Quoting skenobi
{quote} Different firms have different environments. I've been thru three. You won't really know until your new firm's existing team get you up to speed with the in-house systems, the management's risk appetite, the risk managers' level of risk averseness etc etc.. i.e. all the things that have nothing at all to do with trading. If everyone knows what they're talking about (including you), then you should have a pretty happy options trading experience (a contradiction in terms). But if not, all I can say is, "Good Luck!"
Ok, I think I should have consider a pretty good options trading experience as I am managing USD ten over million so far in PE firm. The point is a good option trader doesn't mean they are good options market maker. Some firm here did offer me a job setting up as options market maker. So far as I know, it is more about dynamic hedging or arbitrage such as conversion, reversal, box, or even synthetic positions for risk taking etc. Myself quite worry about it because still new on market maker. Of course, the annual paying are quite lucrative and just worry myself couldn't cope up.
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