https://youtu.be/DksRAKGXSbM
I think it's interesting how BREXIT and polling comes into the conversation
I think it's interesting how BREXIT and polling comes into the conversation
- #429
- Edited 11:25am Oct 14, 2016 10:55am | Edited 11:25am
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{quote} I don't know about the dirty old man part, simply because every thing that is being said about him is by the media apparatuses controlled by mega corporations who is hell bent on destroying Trump at all costs. Now with the recent Wikileaks revelations, it only confirms what I have suspected all along about the level of collusion with almost every major media cormorant in America with the Clinton campaign, the White House, and the FBI. Also the various stories being circulated recently about these supposed women claiming 30 years ago that...
{quote} Russia declared a no fly zone because not only was the US interfering in their Military objectives, but because they were also lying about the humanitarian aid, where they took the 7 day cease fire as an opportunity to rearm the rebels in Aleppo. Russia found out about it, and so they decided they had to take control of the situation by boxing out the US. Remember the US, Israelis, have no business being there, and are not authorized to even be in Syria, yet that is exactly what they are doing by having CIA operations on the ground there...
Also, how does the UK sit with all this? We've been bombing Syria too.
- #430
- Oct 14, 2016 11:04am Oct 14, 2016 11:04am
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{quote} Most of the uninformed idiots that you speak of, have not a clue of what is taking place, except that they just hate Trump just because they do, yet can't put forth a cogent well reasoned argument as to why. Trump has his warts, that much is true, but he is a far cry from what a Hillary presidency looks like, besides, Trump has not broken any laws nor killed anyone to try to become president. I rather take my chances with him, who might actually keep us out of wars than what Hillary and her co-terrorist sponsors have been doing in the middle...
From one failed dictator to another (;
- #431
- Oct 14, 2016 11:23am Oct 14, 2016 11:23am
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{quote} Yes Trump is a dirty old man! He verified that himself on tape.
I am going to say this again, words of Trump were salacious and disgusting, that much I agree, but lets be real, I have heard that talk before between guys, words don't necessary constitute deeming someone a dirty old man, only actions do! Besides the guy came out, owned it, and apologized. What more do people want? You don't see the double standard here involving Bill Clinton, his rape allegations, infidelities and Hillary's damning comments in the e-mails, violation of laws?
Not sure Obama will need to sell the cause for war with Russia. Given his blatant disregard for our constitution, congress, and the American people, Obama will do what ever he wants regardless of what ever backlash will happen. It's just who he is as a person, a community agitator who rewards Wall Street, while taking a sh*t on his own country at the same time. So what will a war with Russia matter? Did Bush need a case to start a war with Iraq? He already had the 9-11 debacle to use as a cover, so that part was easy. The point is we already know what Obama thinks about Americans and the commoners of the world. He essentially hates them. So if Obama wants to instigate a world war, he pretty much can and there is very little we can do about it, other than have a full blown revolution to oust him and his despicable traitors from office.
- #432
- Oct 14, 2016 11:33am Oct 14, 2016 11:33am
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{quote} I am going to say this again, words of Trump were salacious and disgusting, that much I agree, but lets be real, I have heard that talk before between guys, words don't necessary constitute deeming someone a dirty old man, only actions do! Besides the guy came out, owned it, and apologized. What more do people want? You don't see the double standard here involving Bill Clinton, his rape allegations, infidelities and Hillary's damning comments in the e-mails, violation of laws? Not sure Obama will need to sell the cause for war with Russia....
I'm talking about Trump; I know the Clintons are disgusting, that's another story. That's why I kept asking, couldn't you come up with anyone better than those two?!If Obama went to war without the approval of the public, there would be anarchy.
- #434
- Oct 14, 2016 12:14pm Oct 14, 2016 12:14pm
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This is actually quite funny. She could have just told him to shut it if she was offended. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3834427/He-spent-night-talking-women-s-breasts-Donald-Trump-s-vulgar-sexist-remarks-forced-former-supermodel-switch-tables-White-House-dinner-party.html
"'His main focus was breasts and the sizes of women's bodies. Fat women were not real women in his opinion.'
She added: 'He basically said if you are not attractive and beautiful, then you don't have any purpose as a woman.'"
Oh dear, as America has more fat women than most places, this isn't boding well.
"'His main focus was breasts and the sizes of women's bodies. Fat women were not real women in his opinion.'
She added: 'He basically said if you are not attractive and beautiful, then you don't have any purpose as a woman.'"
Oh dear, as America has more fat women than most places, this isn't boding well.
- #435
- Edited 9:04pm Oct 14, 2016 8:29pm | Edited 9:04pm
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{quote} Words are enough to be convicted of being a dirty old man! He also said some rather disgusting things about his daughter on TV and a father should never even think of his daughter like that! Anyway, I have always said that if I was a US citizen (though right now, I'm happier being an EU citizen, lol) I would still vote for that dirty old man!
To be honest, I really didn't think much about what was said about Ivana, I mean I heard of it, but don't know much about it to know what context it was in when he said this. Most of the things being said in the media a lot has been taken out of context. Also I am not sure if you know or are familiar with Howard Stern, and his radio show, but Donald Trump was on that show a lot, and Stern is known to have encouraged such language, lewd behavior with his guests and people talking freely as a way of Comic relief was mostly reactionary to Howard Stern's leading narrative. I remember during the OJ Simpson trial, where a senator named Alfonse Dimatto was making fun of Judge Alito, mockingly by impersonating him with an exaggerated Japanese accent. The media became so outraged that he was forced to make a public apology. The point is Trump is not a career politician, if he knew back then that eventually he would be running for president, then I am sure a lot of what is being said about him today wouldn't even exist. I am not trying to disagree with you, and you maybe right as you are entitled to your opinion, but I am just trying to put things in proper perspective.
I inserted this video, not to show you Trump's positions and depiction over the years, (however a lot of what he has been saying over the years he has been proven right about) but to exemplify exactly what the media is purposely doing to sabotage Donald Trump. Between the 12:39 and 12:41 mark, are flashes of some sort of sexual depiction. One of them appears to be Miley Cyrus kissing and tonging another woman In other words this video has been compromised.
In this picture that I took while trying to stop it, is an example. It is a single frame, so stopping it at the exact frame is a bit challenging, but I was able to do it earlier and it is clearly Miley Cyrus kissing another woman. With proper editing software I would be able to see clearly.
https://youtu.be/OCabT_O0YSM
Obama going to war, and creating anarchy, perhaps that would be the straw that broke the camels back. I have on a lot of occasions read of other people's opinions that is exactly what Obama would want. A play right out of Saul Alinsky's book "Rule for Radicals", a book that Hillary and Obama are known to have connections to.
Here is an excerpt from the 12 rules:
* RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
To create chaos. Bush did the same thing, but due to 9-11, people were supportive of invading Iraq as they were wanting revenge. Syria, we have no business being there period, so there would be no justification for it. American's are tired of war, we have been in Afghanistan for 15 years now, the longest war fought by US troops in US history.
Further Sail Alinsky's 12 Rules:
* RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood. (These are two things of which there is a plentiful supply. Government and corporations always have a difficult time appealing to people, and usually do so almost exclusively with economic arguments.)
* RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone. (Organizations under attack wonder why radicals don’t address the “real” issues. This is why. They avoid things with which they have no knowledge.)
* RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty. (This happens all the time. Watch how many organizations under attack are blind-sided by seemingly irrelevant arguments that they are then forced to address.)
* RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules. (This is a serious rule. The besieged entity’s very credibility and reputation is at stake, because if activists catch it lying or not living up to its commitments, they can continue to chip away at the damage.)
* RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It’s irrational. It’s infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions. (Pretty crude, rude and mean, huh? They want to create anger and fear.)
* RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more. They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones. (Radical activists, in this sense, are no different that any other human being. We all avoid “un-fun” activities, and but we revel at and enjoy the ones that work and bring results.)
* RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news. (Even radical activists get bored. So to keep them excited and involved, organizers are constantly coming up with new tactics.)
* RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new. (Attack, attack, attack from all sides, never giving the reeling organization a chance to rest, regroup, recover and re-strategize.)
* RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist. (Perception is reality. Large organizations always prepare a worst-case scenario, something that may be furthest from the activists’ minds. The upshot is that the organization will expend enormous time and energy, creating in its own collective mind the direst of conclusions. The possibilities can easily poison the mind and result in demoralization.)
* RULE 10: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog. (Unions used this tactic. Peaceful [albeit loud] demonstrations during the heyday of unions in the early to mid-20th Century incurred management’s wrath, often in the form of violence that eventually brought public sympathy to their side.)
* RULE 11: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem. (Old saw: If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem. Activist organizations have an agenda, and their strategy is to hold a place at the table, to be given a forum to wield their power. So, they have to have a compromise solution.)
* RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)
- #436
- Edited 10:39pm Oct 14, 2016 8:56pm | Edited 10:39pm
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- #437
- Oct 15, 2016 2:04am Oct 15, 2016 2:04am
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{quote} Yes I have, and while it is suggested that this was just a propaganda piece to promote a pro Russian call to Patriotism, still is warrants consideration of other motives especially given the facts in recent days, that Russia was seen moving Ballistic Missile launchers into Poland and the recent actions in Syria. This is definitely cause for concern right now. Also US ships were engaging in hostile activity with Terrorists in Yemen. So the signs of further escalation for a larger conflict are visible for everyone to see. That is why people...
Yes, of course that is my opinion on Trump and I'm entitled to it, just like Mingary is entitled to his opinion. I think the word "troll" is a bit overused to describe someone with an opposing view. In my day at school we were encouraged to be devil's advocates, to question and challenge. In being challenged you gain further validation, one way or another. We need it.
Anyhow, thank you for the explanations. I will need to re-read a couple of times to get my head around that lot!
- #438
- Oct 15, 2016 2:20am Oct 15, 2016 2:20am
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Want to see the ginger squirt throwing up?
https://youtu.be/yv6plxBFUsE
https://youtu.be/yv6plxBFUsE