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  • #5,401
  • Oct 4, 2016 12:58pm Oct 4, 2016 12:58pm
Todays LO + start of US where a disaster.

All profits gone and they even went into negative territory.
They are just now crawling out of the woodworks.
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  • #5,402
  • Oct 4, 2016 1:07pm Oct 4, 2016 1:07pm
Quoting Hotpotato
Todays LO + start of US where a disaster. All profits gone and they even went into negative territory. They are just now crawling out of the woodworks. {image} {image}
lol i am so far far away from such green
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  • #5,403
  • Oct 4, 2016 1:26pm Oct 4, 2016 1:26pm
Trend ( v0.65b5 )

+ fixed open slope mode ( in special cases conditions not meet )
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  • #5,404
  • Oct 4, 2016 1:29pm Oct 4, 2016 1:29pm
Quoting Hotpotato
Todays LO + start of US where a disaster. All profits gone and they even went into negative territory. They are just now crawling out of the woodworks. {image} {image}
Then we are suffering same problem that always. We dont manage well markets swings. But I dont understand some thing. If you had DD ( opened trades ) why they are not closed? Because if you are recovering DD is for that. Trades are not closed when start swing
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  • #5,405
  • Edited 1:49pm Oct 4, 2016 1:38pm | Edited 1:49pm
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Then we are suffering same problem that always. We dont manage well markets swings. But I dont understand some things. If you had DD ( opened trades ) why they are not closed?
EAX is handling the extra open trades (in profit and candle time based, max 3) for now.
So a DD of 28 x 3 x 20 pips is the absolute maximum DD whitout a single trade being closed.

I think you can not go for basket trading (setting a basket SL/TP) if you are trading renko charts, you have to see each trade as individual.
When closing trades as a basket you will miss out on the larger swings and eventually lose in my opinion.

The most simple system AMA 1 and AMA 3 and the other one is even simpler came out of Asia with profit, survived the erratic LO+US and are building profit again
all on their own.
I am ever so slightly optimistic.

But the next three sessions i want to run with ATR based boxes because with the 10 pip fixed 1 box is 20 pip loss, 2 boxes is 10 pips loss, 3 boxes is breakeven and the 4th box goes into profit but then you are already 30 pips in a move.
To big for slow moving markets.
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  • #5,406
  • Oct 4, 2016 1:56pm Oct 4, 2016 1:56pm
One of the two above is running without trendserver as follows.

EAX is set to add trades trades only when in profit and with a spacing [H]old of 2 minutes in between.

This multirenko writer sets a buy or sell signal (startup direction skipped) on the first box of a direction change.
After one minute it automatically clears the signal, that's before EAX is allowed to enter a second trade but if the move succeeds the 4 box in the same direction it will generate the signal again for 1 minute telling EAX it can add another trade.
Same for after the 6th and 8th box.
It will of course generate an opposite signal on direction change.
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  • #5,407
  • Oct 4, 2016 1:59pm Oct 4, 2016 1:59pm
Quoting Hotpotato
{quote} EAX is handling the extra open trades (in profit and candle time based, max 3) for now. So a DD of 28 x 3 x 20 pips is the absolute maximum DD whitout a single trade being closed. I think you can not go for basket trading (setting a basket SL/TP) if you are trading renko charts, you have to see each trade as individual. When closing trades as a basket you will miss out on the larger swings and eventually lose in my opinion. The most simple system AMA 1 and AMA 3 and the other one is even simpler came out of Asia with profit, survived the...
I didnt understand how worked DD in your test. Now its clear. When you started test I though every time you have opposite signal you have a close ( 20 pips ) or profit. For that I surprised when you told me you passed from green to floating red.

Then its a disaster comparing with max profit but wasnt be bad day for this very weird day. You are very cautelous with your expectatives. You think you are slighly optimistic means system had better performance you expected

Its first test and we have full control about tools for fix or improve things if are needed

PS: 1680 pips max DD... I'm not sure if captures are fine but I only see 100 pips max DD in your tests

Quoting Hotpotato
One of the two above is running without trendserver as follows. EAX is set to add trades trades only when in profit and with a spacing [H]old of 2 minutes in between. This multirenko writer sets a buy or sell signal (startup direction skipped) on the first box of a direction change. After one minute it automatically clears the signal, that's before EAX is allowed to enter a second trade but if the move succeeds the 4 box in the same direction it will generate the signal again for 1 minute telling EAX it can add another trade. Same for after the...
Which capture is that?
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  • #5,408
  • Oct 4, 2016 2:07pm Oct 4, 2016 2:07pm
I did not have 1680 it's the hypothetical maximum without closing trades.

I do close trades on opposite or missing signal that's one other reason you can not trade this as a basket.
Bad (well they could be) trades are closed at a maximum of 20 pips SL this will up your all trades total (basket) and before you know it basket tp is reached and closed.
I the mean time the system could have closed 30 "bad" trades x 20 pips = 600 pips and if you close the basket at 500 you still lose.
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  • #5,409
  • Oct 4, 2016 2:07pm Oct 4, 2016 2:07pm
Quoting Hotpotato
One of the two above is running without trendserver as follows. EAX is set to add trades trades only when in profit and with a spacing [H]old of 2 minutes in between. This multirenko writer sets a buy or sell signal (startup direction skipped) on the first box of a direction change. After one minute it automatically clears the signal, that's before EAX is allowed to enter a second trade but if the move succeeds the 4 box in the same direction it will generate the signal again for 1 minute telling EAX it can add another trade. Same for after the...
ooohhh oook
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  • #5,410
  • Oct 4, 2016 2:11pm Oct 4, 2016 2:11pm
The one with only one pin in action.

Look at the enormous amount (in my eyes and really not to my liking) both needed to maintain a small profit over 3 sessions.
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  • #5,411
  • Oct 4, 2016 2:14pm Oct 4, 2016 2:14pm
Quoting Hotpotato
I did not have 1680 it's the hypothetical maximum without closing trades. I do close trades on opposite or missing signal that's one other reason you can not trade this as a basket. Bad (well they could be) trades are closed at a maximum of 20 pips SL this will up your all trades total (basket) and before you know it basket tp is reached and closed. I the mean time the system could have closed 30 "bad" trades x 20 pips = 600 pips and if you close the basket at 500 you still lose.
Yes. I understand that. I like close trades individually with opposite or other way. Its the natural behaviour. And 20/30 pips per trades is not much if you have little losses.

The small tests I did 5 pips boxes seem enough good for have fast exits filtering more noise...
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  • #5,412
  • Oct 4, 2016 2:15pm Oct 4, 2016 2:15pm
Quoting Hotpotato
The one with only one pin in action. Look at the enormous amount (in my eyes and really not to my liking) both needed to maintain a small profit over 3 sessions. {image} {image}
Both captures are only renko? Very good
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  • #5,413
  • Oct 4, 2016 2:27pm Oct 4, 2016 2:27pm
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Both captures are only renko? Very good
Yes, that's why i am slightly optimistic.

I think so but can trend handle dynamic box sizes ?

I want to try a fast dynamic box size adaption lets say ATR over 24 M5 bars (2 hours), so that in a slower market the 3 x 10 pip breakeven becomes fi a 3 x 5 pip breakeven and you start making profit after 20 pips, not 40.

The profit will be (could be) smaller but so will be the losses.
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  • #5,414
  • Oct 4, 2016 2:47pm Oct 4, 2016 2:47pm
Quoting Hotpotato
{quote} Yes, that's why i am slightly optimistic. I think so but can trend handle dynamic box sizes ? I want to try a fast dynamic box size adaption lets say ATR over 24 M5 bars (2 hours), so that in a slower market the 3 x 10 pip breakeven becomes fi a 3 x 5 pip breakeven and you start making profit after 20 pips, not 40. The profit will be (could be) smaller but so will be the losses.
Yes. No problem with dynamic boxes in Trend
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  • #5,415
  • Oct 4, 2016 3:14pm Oct 4, 2016 3:14pm
Lost a bit i the past 3 hours but is seems reasonable stable with a steady combined open of ~20 something.
No gain no loss just waiting for big moves.
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  • #5,416
  • Edited 6:00pm Oct 4, 2016 5:31pm | Edited 6:00pm
Brain tonight I will trade two 8 period entry Dema on open slope, one set for exit opposite pin, the other for exit no signal. Renko size 5. I have trades set to 3 (not sure how this is going to work with FIFO) hold on 2 minutes. No tp or sl or basket trading. I hope this is close enough to what HP is saying but not sure.
  • #5,417
  • Oct 4, 2016 6:05pm Oct 4, 2016 6:05pm
Quoting PipFlak
Brain tonight I will trade two 8 period entry Dema on open slope, one set for exit opposite pin, the other for exit no signal. Renko size 5. I have trades set to 3 (not sure how this is going to work with FIFO) hold on 2 minutes. No tp or sl or basket trading. I hope this is close enough to what HP is saying but not sure.
Did you download b5? I made in small fix in the open slope mode
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  • #5,418
  • Oct 4, 2016 6:08pm Oct 4, 2016 6:08pm
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} Did you download b5? I made in small fix in the open slope mode
Yes that's why I am using it. Does this sound reasonable to you?
  • #5,419
  • Edited 6:28pm Oct 4, 2016 6:17pm | Edited 6:28pm
Quoting PipFlak
{quote} Yes that's why I am using it. Does this sound reasonable to you?
In not sure how draws MA with settings you will use but places where swing in rounded ( not edge ) you will get better entries.
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About your settings I'm testing something similar but with other MA type. I'm thinking play with a second PIN with bigger renko size send little higher period using continuous. I will do small tests and when I see something I will try in real account
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  • #5,420
  • Oct 4, 2016 6:41pm Oct 4, 2016 6:41pm
Quoting braintheboss
{quote} In not sure how draws MA with settings you will use but places where swing in rounded ( not edge ) you will get better entries. About your settings I'm testing something similar but with other MA type. I'm thinking play with a second PIN with bigger renko size send little higher period using continuous. I will do small tests and when I see something I will try in real account
EAX is not closing when signal disappeared on two different pairs. Trying disappearing signal instead of no signal. Going to delayed slope and see how that works -Arrow flicks on and off with open slope.
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